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Channel log from 23 August 2010   (all times are UTC)

00:10
<nutron>
what's the command to disable acceleration via the lts.conf file?
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02:37
<biomorph_>
Morning all.....
02:37
<Appiah>
morning
02:37
<alkisg>
Good morning
02:37
<biomorph_>
I have a problem that occasionally I get an "Error: failed to connect to NBD server"
02:38
<alkisg>
Occasionally? Not always? Check if you have another dhcp server on your thin client subnet
02:38
<biomorph_>
Mmm..... Ah - that's an interesting one.....
02:40
Yes I think that could explain it..... Doh - why didn't I think of that.
02:42
OK - the reason I am trying to do this is that I get crashes on some machines, but not others. I am convinced this is caused by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
02:42
Anybody else seeing crashes/freezes when using Intel graphics chips.
02:44
<alkisg>
Yes, I had to use a ppa kernel for my wife's laptop which has intel 855
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02:45
<alkisg>
Hey, new fixes there... we need to send feedback to them :)
02:45
<biomorph_>
alkisg: is there an upstream bug report I could follow to see when it gets fixed?
02:46
<alkisg>
biomorph_: I don't know, but we're supposed to test those proposed fixes to get them upstream
02:46
Otherwise they'll just drop them
02:46
(it's been done before...)
02:46
<biomorph_>
alkisg: And what kernel do you use?
02:47
I've had some success using kms for the intel chip.
02:47
<alkisg>
Can't check now, I can tell you in 30' if you're still here
02:47
<biomorph_>
I will be, thanks.
02:47
<alkisg>
I tried nomodeset etc, only limited success. With the newer kernel everything was solved, it's been running for months without problems
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<alkisg>
biomorph_: I've been using this kernel: https://launchpad.net/~brian-rogers/+archive/experimental But as I read on the bug reports (e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/511001) that's not recommented, the best is to test the drivers from the wiki page
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03:02
<biomorph_>
OK - I'm going to try enabling KMS - that works best for me at home.
03:03
So my question is is there any point in enabling it in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf or should I just do it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
03:03
Problem with second option is that that gets overwritten every time I run ltsp-update-image
03:07
<alkisg>
$ grep BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.conf
03:07
BOOTPROMPT_OPTIONS="quiet splash nbd_proxy=false"
03:08
You can put it there ^^^
03:09
<biomorph_>
alkisg: Thanks I was looking for that. Didn't want to change the actual script, but did think about it.
03:09
<alkisg>
But really, reporting back is the only way to avoid the problem in the future.
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03:10
<biomorph_>
I've reported my experience of the legacy driver to ubuntu-x list
03:12
OK - I'm off to try this on the real system. Back in an hour or so.
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06:02
<biomorph_>
OK - I'm back. One little annoyance I have is that if I log on to the client (I have enabled a root password) it is defaulting to US keyboard. Anybody know quickly how I change that to a UK keyboard?
06:06
<alkisg>
biomorph_: about the intel 855 card, I tried the new workarounds with mine and the best one was still to use the new patched kernel - otherwise I it crashed with XV
06:06
!lts.conf
06:06
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
06:06
<alkisg>
For the keyboard, see the man page
06:07
(otherwise run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup on the chroot, or specify a locale when running ltsp-build-client)
06:15
<biomorph_>
alkisg: Thanks for both bits of info. Intel drivers are really getting me annoyed. KMS certainly fixes one problem. I'm going to have to leave the customer to test whether it works for a full day.
06:15
<alkisg>
What have you tried? Disabling KMS?
06:17
<biomorph_>
No - I've tried enabling KMS. With KMS disabled if I switch between VT7 and VT1 before logging on to the LDM screen I was get a crash when I go back to the LDM screen.
06:17
KMS enabled I never get that crash.
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06:18
<biomorph_>
sorry on first post s/was/always/
06:19
<alkisg>
Maybe you have a diffent model than mine then, I have KMS enabled by default but X crashes before ldm.
06:21
<biomorph_>
Yes these are old DELL machines.... 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) works fine
06:21
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) crashes 4 times a day.
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06:22
<biomorph_>
It is so annoying we have considered buying cheap graphics cards on EBay
06:22
These machines worked with no problems until update to Lucid.....
06:23
<alkisg>
Yeah that GEM change :-/
06:23
I've 855, different symptoms, and again wouldn't work on lucid without that patched kernel
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06:35
<guntbert>
hi (base system ubuntu 10.04), what happened to the option in the alternate installer (install LTSP) as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall? should LTSP be installed in a different way now?
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07:15
<guntbert>
got it, it seems to be a bug in the installer (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/573764, including a workaround)
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07:43
<intelliant>
intelliant: the logon / logoff problem seems to have resurfaced
07:43
intelliant: last fix tried was disabling compiz - sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:-/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
07:43
intelliant: it is worth noting that compiz had been removed from the system
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08:01
<alkisg>
!compiz
08:01
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
08:02
<alkisg>
Note that there's no "-" after "readwrite:"
08:12
<intelliant>
when i give that i get an error
08:13
<alkisg>
What error? Can you put the whole command and the result to pastebot?
08:13
!pastebot
08:13
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
08:18
<intelliant>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/SFt2UE22
08:18
<alkisg>
intelliant: you're giving the wrong command
08:19
You're putting an extra "-"
08:19
Please paste the following command, which is correct:
08:19
sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
08:21
<intelliant>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/VXJi5qYX
08:21
^ is this okay?
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08:22
<intelliant>
in my IM, the portion after readwrite is converted into a smiley
08:22
may be that is a messup
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08:22
<alkisg>
intelliant: let me space it: readwrite : /etc/
08:22
<intelliant>
okay that works fine
08:22
<alkisg>
You're putting an extra "-": readwrite : - /etc/
08:22
<intelliant>
but yet the result is the same
08:22
i removed it
08:22
i realised that it was a mistake
08:23
<alkisg>
No, the one works and the other doesn't
08:23
It's a wrong path so it's not working
08:24
<intelliant>
agreed, the one without '-' has successfully executed but yet the logoff problem remains
08:25
<alkisg>
No argument there, I just thought I'd tell you about the mistake in the compiz command
08:25
Compiz never helped in logoff problems though
08:25
So what is your logoff problem?
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08:28
<intelliant>
it is wierd, at times it simply throws me off with http://ltsp.pastebin.com/j6dQCZQ5
08:28
at others it will do this http://ltsp.pastebin.com/7D5pJRHh
08:29
the ldap server is very much available and accessible to several applications consistently
08:29
in the 2nd case at the TC, after entering the username and password, the eternal wait begins
08:29
it never seems to timeout as well
08:30
<thunsucker>
intelliant: i just jumped in and didn't see everything you said but most of the time errors like this for me in the past meant dns or network issues
08:30
intelliant: is it happening with all TC's are just a few or random?
08:30
*or just a few
08:30
<intelliant>
intelliant: it is wierd, at times it simply throws me off with http://ltsp.pastebin.com/j6dQCZQ5
08:30
intelliant: at others it will do this http://ltsp.pastebin.com/7D5pJRHh
08:31
^^ thunsucker
08:31
<thunsucker>
intelliant: so it's randomly happening with each TC then?
08:31
<intelliant>
tried with 2 of them with diff hw
08:31
so it is consistent with 2 TCs
08:31
<thunsucker>
intelliant: at login correct?
08:31
<intelliant>
yes
08:32
<thunsucker>
is this a new setup
08:32
or new problem
08:32
<intelliant>
yes
08:32
ltsp-cluster
08:32
<thunsucker>
okay new setup then
08:32
distro?
08:32
<intelliant>
10.04
08:32
ubuntu
08:32
<thunsucker>
what guide did you use to interface ltsp with ldap?
08:33
<intelliant>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication#Notes%20for%207.10%20and%20later
08:35
<thunsucker>
intelliant: and you're using this ldap server with other applications?
08:35
<intelliant>
yes successfully
08:35
<thunsucker>
using a firewall on it?
08:35
<intelliant>
yes
08:35
but only external
08:35
this is internal lan and all open for the lan
08:37
<thunsucker>
intelliant: have you updated the chroot?
08:38
<intelliant>
not after installing this new appserver
08:38
<thunsucker>
intelliant: let me be more specific, have you updated the ltsp chroot
08:39
<intelliant>
i just made an entry in /etc/ltsp/lbsconfig.xml
08:39
updated after what?
08:40
you mean /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
08:40
<thunsucker>
intelliant: i meant sudo ltsp-update-image
08:40
intelliant: after going into the chroot and doing ubuntu updates: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
08:40
<intelliant>
okay not done as yet
08:42
<thunsucker>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
08:42
skip the part about recreating the chroot
08:42
a lot of people never update their chroot, but i do it often
08:44
<intelliant>
I am a regular opensuse user, this is my second attempt at ubuntu in 3 years. I always seem to face a lot of issues with the package managers in the ubuntu world
08:45
<thunsucker>
intelliant: the easiest way I've found is to do: sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
08:45
I've never ran into a problem
08:45
you can also use the built in update manager but I don't like it
08:45
<intelliant>
and i somehow have landed in so much trouble recently
08:45
<thunsucker>
intelliant: is your ltsp server virtualized?
08:45
<intelliant>
sure i too like apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
08:45
yes
08:46
<thunsucker>
intelliant: then why worry, take a snapshot for a backup
08:46
<intelliant>
kvm
08:46
<thunsucker>
I've always had bad luck with kvm
08:46
<[GuS]>
Hi guys, any Gentoo expert on LTSP? Every time i build a client, when installing the packages i have: "warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (es_AR)" Anyway to fix this?
08:46
<thunsucker>
what disto you running it on
08:47
[GuS]: wow I found nothing on google with that lol
08:47
<[GuS]>
thunsucker: :P eithe me
08:47
either*
08:48
<thunsucker>
[GuS]: okay found something, seems more like a gentoo issue than ltsp let me read
08:48
<[GuS]>
yeah... is what i guess
08:48
<thunsucker>
go a prompt and type: locale as root
08:48
what do you get?
08:48
<[GuS]>
but in my system i have correctly setup the env with es_AR
08:48
thunsucker: i get all with es_AR
08:49
<thunsucker>
[GuS]: found this link, there are 2 suggested very easy fixes , http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/locale-cannot-set-lc_all-to-default-locale-no-such-file-or-directory-218622/
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08:52
<[GuS]>
thunsucker: well that is kind old, and i dont have the folder /etc/defaults/locale :P
08:52
i will digg a little about this
08:58
<thunsucker>
[GuS]: you might also want to try a gentoo room
08:58
join #gentoo
08:58
<[GuS]>
i am in there :D
09:00
<thunsucker>
[GuS]: i meant post your question there
09:00
<alkisg>
[GuS]: if it's a problem with the gentoo version of the ltsp-build-client system, then you can bypass it by using `ltsp-build-client --locale C` and installing your locale to the chroot later on.
09:01
<[GuS]>
alkisg: ok, i will do so.
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09:06
<intelliant>
intelliant: thunsucker: i will try the update and revert
09:06
intelliant: as of now the server restarted and I seriously suspect the ubuntu ltsp servers because as fasr as i can recall, whenever I have been working with them this problem has occurred.
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09:12
<thunsucker>
intelliant: my apologies but I do not have any experience with ldap and ltsp
09:12
intelliant: i'm just good at reminding people of the basics
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09:17
<intelliant>
thunsucker: no problem
09:17
thanks for your help
09:18
<thunsucker>
intelliant: yw hope you get your issues worked out
09:19
<intelliant>
i hope i get success with ubuntu this time around, as I seriously wanted to give it a shot after 3 years of fun with opensuse
09:19
else opensuse does work for me and am abs confident about it
09:22
<alkisg>
You can also ask in #ubuntu-server about LDAP, as setting up ldap is not really related to ltsp
09:23
<intelliant>
alkisg: yes that would be a good idea
09:23
<alkisg>
The thin clients connect to the server, so if the server has been setup correctly, they'll just login without knowning anything about ldap
09:23
<intelliant>
but am not sure if this is purely ldap issue
09:23
as the other day the gconf setting did the trick
09:24
but i am unable to trace what changed between that day and today- over 3 days
09:24
i did not make any changes at all
09:25
<alkisg>
Compiz problem appear at once when logging in
09:25
Not after a while. Is that the case for you?
09:25
<intelliant>
i am confused
09:25
i shall redo the entire sequence once the chroot has been updated
09:25
<alkisg>
And also they're consistent. For each user/pc combination, they either always occur, or never occur.
09:25
<intelliant>
and then revert
09:29
alkisg: thunsucker: what's this supposed to mean
09:29
Built in to Ubuntu 10.04
09:29
Ubuntu 10.04 already has the ability to provide recommended updates by default. The rest of the instructions on this page are not necessary.
09:29
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
09:30
<alkisg>
Probably someone misunderstood the "installing recommented dependencies by default since 8.10" with "updating everything automatically" :D
09:30
Just delete it, it's wrong
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<thunsucker>
intelliant: ignore it
09:31
<intelliant>
OMG, the documentation here is so awry
09:32
<alkisg>
Ah, got it, he meant about sources.list
09:32
The rest of the page still apply though
09:32
<intelliant>
pls rectify it as it should be
09:32
I am confused
09:35
<thunsucker>
intelliant: ignore the note and just keep going down the page
09:47
<intelliant>
i have deleted all VMs and am planning a complete reinstall after 2 days
09:47
2 days server under observation for kvm related issues
09:48
thanks for your guidance, will keep you updated
09:50
<thunsucker>
intelliant: just remember to update eveything, I've always had the best experience when doing that
09:50
<intelliant>
will do
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<[GuS]>
guys, i have a small problem when i setup another SERVER in ltsp than the local one. When logins in LDM, its restarts later: http://pastebin.com/dYYWtEqn Any tip?
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<intelliant>
alkisg: can u confirm if these instructions - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster - should work as is for 10.04
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<rpm_>
Is there a trick to getting EdUbuntu 10.04 ltsp to work properly? I am getting an NBD error when I try to boot my thin clients. Any help would be appreciated.
13:43
<johnny>
be more specific, and stick around for an answer
13:52
<rpm_>
Here is the error Error: Failed to connect to NBD server, and then it says something about busybox
13:56
<johnny>
and on your edubuntu server, your /etc/inetd.conf references nbd ?
13:56
and not just nbd-swap
13:56
if so, how many dhcp servers do you have?
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<rpm_>
Thanks Johnny, I am asking this question after the fact, I was in a rush on Friday to get a server up and running and kept getting that error. I ended up having to revert to 9.10 but I want to go to 10.04, as a result I don't have it running any more. I will be trying again in the near future so I thought I'd ask before hand what could cause that. I found the same error on alot of different forums but no real answers, is editing the ine
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<johnny>
haven't heard of any such problem specific to lucid
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<rpm_>
What do you think about uninstalling NBD all together? Do you think that might help, if I run into the problem again?
14:05
<johnny>
no
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<grantk>
Hey all, Anyone know of good place to look for ltsp cluster install info, I was noticing it had a lucid package but was on the website and not seeing much as far as install is concerned?
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<Appiah>
read the "setup on openvz"
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<rpm_>
hey grantk, the best writeup for cluster I have found is on the ltsp cluter homepage, unfortunately it isn't using 10.04 so you
14:10
you'll have to apply what is there to 10.04 as see if it works
14:10
<Appiah>
I used it to get hang on how ltsp-cluster works and installed on 10.04
14:10
worked
14:10
<grantk>
cool, sounds good!
14:10
<rpm_>
good luck
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<Appiah>
I should do it again and document it ...
14:11
<grantk>
I will be documenting for work here so if It works out well I'll send what I did to the mailing list
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<alkisg>
rpm_: for nbd I've seen 3 possible problems: (1) wrong /etc/inetd.conf configuration, (2) wrong dhcp setup (either dhcpd.conf or multiple servers), and (3) nbd-proxy problems. The first 2 are the most common, and are really easy to fix. For (3) there's a bug report in launchpad, but it's not very common.
14:13
<grantk>
alkisg: Just curios, missed the nbd talk here, what problem comes from multiple dhcp servers?
14:14
<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe I'll just commit an message "Cannot connect to nbd server <IP>", that will help many people that have problem (2).
14:14
<johnny>
alkisg, nie idea
14:14
<grantk>
ah, cool, thanks
14:14
<alkisg>
grantk: the client might get confused and try to load the nbd image e.g. from a router
14:14
<grantk>
oh, even better!
14:15
<johnny>
alkisg, but if it works on 9.10, and not 10.04, then it's probably not that?
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<alkisg>
I've seen a lot of people saying that, while they just had problems #1 or #2...
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<rpm_>
alksig: here is the question Here is the error Error: Failed to connect to NBD server, and then it says something about busybox
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<alkisg>
rpm_: yes, see what I wrote above, there are 3 possible causes to that message that I've seen so far.
14:21
I'll change it to: panic "Error: failed to connect to NBD server $NBD_CLIENT_ROOT_SERVER:$NBD_ROOT_PORT."
14:21
That will help people with cause #2.
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<rpm_>
sorry, thanks.
14:22
I know my dhcp server is working right so I think it may be the first, what do I need to change in the inetd.conf file?
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<johnny>
paste the one that doesn't work
14:24
once you reinstall
14:24
<alkisg>
Are you absolutely sure there's no other dhcp server around?
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<rpm_>
absolutely sure. I don't have the 10.04 server up anymore because I had to get something working for today so I put 9.10 on it instead and it is working fine. I am planning on putting 10.04 on in the very near future so I am asking in advance in case I run into the problem again.
14:27
<alkisg>
64 bit or 32 bit?
14:27
<rpm_>
64bit
14:27
<alkisg>
With 32bit clients?
14:27
<rpm_>
32 bit
14:28
<alkisg>
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
14:28
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
14:28
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
14:28
On a default 64bit installation, you'll get /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img there
14:28
That's one of the possible problems, you'd need to change that to i386
14:28
<rpm_>
I did
14:29
<alkisg>
On the busybox prompt, you would then try this: nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
14:29
If that works, it's a dhcp problem. Otherwise it would be either an nbd-proxy problem, or an upstart or a module problem.
14:30
If you reinstall, come here so that we help you troubleshoot it...
14:30
<rpm_>
thanks, you've been very helpful! :-)
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<alkisg>
Done, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1774/client/initramfs/scripts/ltsp_nbd
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<litercola>
anybody in here?
15:30
I have an ubuntu 10.04 ltsp server that I installed with the alternate cd. Having some networking issues, and was wondering if I can make this work as my default dhcp server, which also needs to serve up a separate image
15:30
<grantk>
litercola, yes you can
15:30
I have mine serving up some images for a phone system
15:30
<litercola>
thanks, that's pretty cool
15:31
what distro are you using?
15:31
<grantk>
ubuntu 10.04
15:31
<litercola>
I have had alot of trouble with dhcp3 server not wanting to start up on boot
15:32
<grantk>
I have actually had that happen recently and then it just stopped, I did not find any complaints in dmesg and logs
15:33
<litercola>
in syslog mine tells me that dhcp is not listening on any interface
15:34
but when i restart it says stopping: faild, starting ok
15:34
<grantk>
I have my clients all defined in my dhcpd.conf for the phones so that makes it easier, you should be able to use the option vendor-class-identifier too, but I never went to the trouble since I was using static ip's anyway
15:34
<litercola>
will the man pages help in configuring certain mac adress to look to another server for a different image?
15:35
<grantk>
yeah they did a bit, I still looked elsewhere
15:35
<litercola>
btw, did you install from alternate, or do a server install and drop ltsp on top?
15:36
<grantk>
server first
15:36
http://pastebin.com/7T2jhhzd
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15:36
<grantk>
There is a simplified example of how I server the other image
15:36
<litercola>
very cool, thank you
15:37
<grantk>
np
15:38
<litercola>
one more, did you install x on your server?
15:38
I guess im wondering if it will build my client images with a desktop by default, or based on what the server has?
15:39
<grantk>
I think it goes with what is on the server, and yes I did because I used a xenserver image that already had it installed but I have disabled X.
15:40
<litercola>
thank you, you have been very helpful. I figured I should have done a server install to begin with, with the way things have been going, I think that I will regret not starting over with that now.
15:40
<grantk>
np, I am not sure how the alternate goes, just was not an option because I did not want to build the xen kernel as well!
15:41
<litercola>
thanks again, later
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<alkisg>
stgraber: when you have some time, please add ltsp-bindmounts to the ltsp-client-core package: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/620133
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