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Channel log from 10 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<XTaran>
Hi!
03:40
Anyone already got his fingers on a DM&P eBox2300SX or NorhTec MicroClient JrSX? Are they really faster than the eBox2300/MicroClient Jr.?
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<pablo_>
Hi ive installed ltsp5 in ubuntu 7.10 following the ubuntu quick install guide and my terminals booting process end up whit no X and these errors in the console "OIL: error liboiltest.c 359: oil_test_check_impl(): imgal instruction in lift_add_mult_shifht_i386_mmx in: module_detect.c : failed to detect any sound hardware module.c: failed to load module ""module_detect (argument "") e:main.c module load fail
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<ogra>
pablo_, what kind of HW is that ?
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(graphics and soundcard specifically)
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looks like the kernel finds no module for your card here
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<pablo_>
ogra: my terminals have no sound card installed
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<ogra>
pablo_, ah
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<pablo_>
ogra: ho do i tell ltsp no to use sound?
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<ogra>
pablo_, create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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add in_
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[default]
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SOUND=False
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these two lines
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it gets read on boot
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so reboot the client and see
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<pablo_>
ok lest see
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<pablo_>
ogra: ok now there are no error in the console but no X :(
07:32
<ogra>
what kind of graphics card ?
07:34
(and which versions of the ltsp packages do you have installed ? ceck with: dpkg -l |grep ltsp)
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not that there have been many changes recently
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<pablo_>
ogra: the graphic card is on board (old intel motherboard) and im using 5.0.39
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<ogra>
hmm, could be an 810
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<pablo_>
ogra: and ltspfs is 0.5-0ubuntu2
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<ogra>
try addig X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 to the lts.conf
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or 16 if oyu want to be on the safe side
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<pablo_>
ogra ok il l try
07:52* ogra goes for some late lunch
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<pablo_>
ogra: thanks!! it worked! :)
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<cliebow__>
sbalneav:my problem is solv.ed
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<gonzaloaf>
hi, how can I know exactly how many terminals are connected to my ltsp server 4.2?
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<cliebow__>
gonzo
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gonzaloaf:
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<gonzaloaf>
cliebow, yup?
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<cliebow__>
i have a command from teachertoop to look up terminals...just looking up
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heh
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gonzaloaf: this give you what you'd like?
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<cliebow__>
netstat -t -e |grep x11|sed -e 's/ \+/ /g' -e 's/:/ /g'
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow__>
Scottie!!!
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sbalneav:my problem is solv.ed
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<sbalneav>
cliebow__: What was it?
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<cliebow__>
well...i got halfway through renaming machines in the lab..so /etc/hosts had a couple multiple entries..once i fixed a terminal in hosts..took off like a ..welll it took off
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<sbalneav>
Ah, nice.
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<cliebow__>
i'm guessing ti didnt bother cause some hgostname to ip resolution was happening on the network but over summer it cached out
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<staffencasa>
is there a way to get the dhcp server running for eth2?
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<ogra>
staffencasa, *
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?
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<staffencasa>
I installed ltsp-server-standalone and it failed on starting the dhcp server and I'm assuming its because its on eth2 and not eth1
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nevermind, it fixed itself
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:)
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<ogra>
it isnt (and should never be) bound to any interface
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it will automatically determine if a static interface with a matching config exists and refuse to start until there is one
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<ogra>
least in ubuntu and debian since dhcp3-server is used)
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<staffencasa>
okay, thanks
12:08
yeah, i'm running edubuntu
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<ogra>
with one NIC i assume
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<staffencasa>
2
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<ogra>
oh
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<staffencasa>
i was going to try out xubuntu, any thoughts? does it work better?
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<ogra>
then it should have set up the second one as static one with the right data for the dhcp server
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well, what should i say here, i'm slightly biased :)
12:09
<-- develops edubuntu
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<cliebow__>
staffencasa: ogra IS Edubuntu 8~)
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<staffencasa>
then I should've been talking to you when I couldn't get the student control panel to work
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<ogra>
yeah
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<cliebow__>
ogra:pete savage gonna be in Boston?
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<ogra>
cliebow, unlikely
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<cliebow__>
ahh
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<ogra>
he didnt do anything since feisty
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at least nothing i'm aware of
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<cliebow__>
i see
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<ogra>
stgraber expressed interest to take over thin client manager in hardy
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he has some neat ideas for the vnc stuff
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<cliebow__>
i shouldbe touching with him then..
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<ogra>
yeah
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he'll be in boston i think (not for edu though)
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<cliebow__>
perhaps he wouldnt mind being something of a mentor on the python side..
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<ogra>
ask him :)
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<staffencasa>
ogra, what packages are needed on the client for the thin client manager to work properly?
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<ogra>
for it to work ... none
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for vnc you need x11vnc
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<staffencasa>
I'm using the kiosk plugin and it only works for me if I do not use the kiosk plugin
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<ogra>
right
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<staffencasa>
so install x11vnc on the client and it should work?
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<ogra>
its only designed to run on a standalone ltsp server for ltsp sessions
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you wont make it work in kiosk mode
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<staffencasa>
ok thanks, that oughta save me some time then, glad I asked
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<ogra>
migth be that one of the different teachertool implementations out there offers soemthing like that ... or you could use italc
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<staffencasa>
it's not really necessary, I just thought it would be cool to have
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<ogra>
one of my targets for hardy wil be user/session maintenance/management ... so that should improve soon
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<ogra>
yo jammcq
12:35
you pinged yesterday
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<laprag>
hey jammcq
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<highvoltage>
hi uncle jammcq
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<lns>
Morning, all
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<Blinny>
G'afternoon
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<jammcq>
ogra: just wondering if you talked to RichEd
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highvoltage: hey, how's it goin down under?
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<ogra>
jammcq, yes, i already told you he's intrested
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<jammcq>
ah, cool
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<ogra>
but we didnt talk further and he's travelling this week
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<jammcq>
I must have either missed, or forgotten about it
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<highvoltage>
jammcq: working very hard!
12:58
jammcq: how does LTSP in gutsy run on the LTSP Term 1000's these days?
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<jammcq>
you'd have to ask ogra, he's the master of performance
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but I have a hunch it's running pretty well
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<ogra>
no sound and you should limit the screen size to 1024x768
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<highvoltage>
and the boot time and performance? is it decent?
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<ogra>
apart from that its running as you would expect from a 200MHz integrated thingie
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<highvoltage>
ah
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<ogra>
its still darn slow but not comparable to the minutes it took in feisty
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<highvoltage>
ogra: did you try it without ssh encryption/compression?
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<ogra>
yes, only
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<highvoltage>
ok
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pity it doesn't come in 400mhz
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<ogra>
thats no device you should use ssh tunnels
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on
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<dniel>
hello world
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<yanu>
you got that right ;)
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<vagrantc>
so the ltsp backports for etch basically require using the old X configuration stuff ... need to update http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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or a backported version of X.org
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<ogra>
yeah, i could have told you
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i wasnt aware yu try to backport that
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<vagrantc>
ogra: well, with one change it worked on my test machines.
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which amounted to 2-3 systems
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<ogra>
wow, you have a lab :)
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<vagrantc>
i have freegeek
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but not the patience to test it on everything
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<ogra>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
with the one-line patch in debian sid, it's easy to support alternate X configuration scripts
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and i just yanked all the old debconf related code and put it into an example script
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so it's not too bad.
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<ogra>
we need to set X_COLOR_DEPTH to default to 24 btw
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<vagrantc>
i've seen 24 fail on a lot of hardware that works with 16
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<ogra>
man intel cards dont manage 32bit ... Xorg -configure doesnt take that into account
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*many
16:51
well, 16 is a visible change
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24 is what the cards use internally anyway
16:52* vagrantc suspects it's only some cards that use 24
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<ogra>
no
16:52
all chips use 24 internally
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<vagrantc>
i have seen many cards in my time that only do 16 or less.
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doesn't matter much what they do internally.
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<vagrantc>
ogra: you mean all chips of a certain type ?
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<ogra>
no
16:53
there are no chips that do 32
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*internally*
16:54* vagrantc is looking at this from the other end of the spectrum
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<ogra>
even if you have 32 thats translated into 24 before processing
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well, i would never default to 16
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its simply looking bad
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and the amount of HW out there not supporting 24 is really shrinking
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<vagrantc>
you'd rather have it not work by default than look not so great?
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<ogra>
these people can well set X_COLOR_DEPTH manually
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<vagrantc>
fair enough.
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<ogra>
i simply dont think the amount is so big
16:56* vagrantc looks at a warehouse full of old computers
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<vagrantc>
but i think you're right, 24 default makes sense.
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<ogra>
even the cheapest 2MB card from the last 5 years can do 24 bit
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<vagrantc>
2MB is needed for 1024x768@16
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i suspect you'll need more memory for 1024x768@24
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<ogra>
ok, lets say 3M :P
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<vagrantc>
at any rate... 24 seems reasonable enough for a default ...
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<ogra>
still, cards not doing 1024x768@24 should be really rare
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<vagrantc>
i have a huge testbed to find out...
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<ogra>
well, its likely that other components wont match the minimal reqs as well if such a card is in the machine
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<vagrantc>
just 3 years ago we were getting a fair number of cards that only did 15
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<ogra>
3 years ...
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<vagrantc>
i think they were the riva128 cards...
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<ogra>
thats an aeon
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<vagrantc>
the cast-offs from 3 years ago ... sure :)
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maybe it was 2 years, but at any rate...
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17:04* ogra scratches his head about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150419 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/151386
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<ari_stress>
hi papa :)
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we're having a 7 days holiday here :D
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<jammcq>
wow
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where is "here" ?
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<cliebow>
Dad!!
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<ari_stress>
i'm indonesia jammcq. most of us are having 7 days, but some are taking leave and extend the holiday to full 2-weeks holiday :))
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<lns>
ari_stress, this is ramadan?
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<ari_stress>
lns: yes. we mix it with a traditional custom of returning back to our hometown/island
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<lns>
ari_stress, =)
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congrats, that's really cool
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<ari_stress>
i think indonesia is the 2nd country in the world whose most holidays :))
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<lns>
all us americans get is christmas, which is completely commercialized now... :(
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<ari_stress>
how long is christmas holiday? 1 week?
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<lns>
usually, 1-2 weeks depending, because most people take it along with the new year holiday
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<ari_stress>
the same here
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<lns>
of course if you work in retail/fast food/etc., you get no vacation :(
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work usually has priority over holidays (at least in my experience)
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<ari_stress>
yeah the same as policemen. salut to them
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<lns>
yes
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*drinks*
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<ari_stress>
well, my canadian permanent resident was just refused :(
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i'm taking "plan B" of my life course :)
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<lns>
aww
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<ari_stress>
yeah, i even took french class for 2 years
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they refused it based on my wife's health condition
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<lns>
!!
19:05
<ltspbot>
lns: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
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<ari_stress>
d*mn :(
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<lns>
i'm sorry
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<ari_stress>
it's ok
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we pass the shock stage :)
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<lns>
what, of not getting residency?
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<ari_stress>
yes, she's slowly getting herself together again
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i'm now concentrating on applying for jobs in asia region
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<lns>
oooh ok
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<ari_stress>
looks like skills like virtualization is on high demand
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<lns>
yes it is
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<ari_stress>
have you tried it? like virtuozo, xen, vmware, openvps?
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<lns>
ari_stress, i've done vmware
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pretty easy to get going
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<ari_stress>
yes, vmware has it all
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