IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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08:18
<Yajo>
Hello. I'm trying to get working an LTSP server from a virtual CentOS 6 machine. After following all instructions in http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Category:Fedora and in README.rpminstall, the client cannot boot with this error: "mount.nfs: Connection timed out"
08:19
Where can be the problem?
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08:23
<Yajo>
My network setup is at work (no school). We only have one subnet, and there's a Windows DHCP server, which has already been configured to serve a specific MAC (the thin client test-machine) to the CentOS server. Also, on the CentOS side the dhcpd and dhcpd6 services have been stopped.
08:23
I would thank any help, please.
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09:04
<nocturn>
Hi all. I have a question regarding LTSP. Can I use USB ports on the clients? I need to use smartcard readers to log in to government web services.... So the reader should plug in to the client and Firefox should be able to access the reader
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13:05
<alkisg>
!fatclients | echo nocturn:
13:05
<ltsp`>
nocturn: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
13:05
<alkisg>
...fat clients see all usb devices normally
13:05
(fats are again diskless)
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13:19
<other_other_joe>
anyone ever use Mac's as clients?
13:19
I can get 'em up using iPXE on a disk
13:19
I'd love to not do that though
13:20
<||cw>
other_other_joe: depends on the mac
13:21
EFI based ones it would be technically possible to have EFI pxe boot, but I don't know if apple has locked out some bits to make it not possible
13:21
G5 and older, you need ipxe locally
13:22
<other_other_joe>
they're intel EFI's
13:22
as far as I know though, apple has some weird EFI 1.5/EFI 2 custom hybrid
13:25
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2012-02/msg00026.html
13:25
this thread seems promising
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13:36
<Vindicated>
Hello World!
13:38
<other_other_joe>
yo
13:38
<Vindicated>
I thought I would pop in to ask about any updates? The roadmap has some good features on it but there is no news in over a year
13:39
<Mava>
void main() { cout << "Hello world" << endl; return 0; }
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<bennabiy>
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18:20
<stgraber>
ogra_: so, will we be seeing you at BTS next week?
18:21* jammcq hopes so
18:23
<stgraber>
oh, just noticed, no sbalneav this year?
18:24
<jammcq>
yeah, his father passed away last week and he needs to assist his mother through this tough time :(
18:25
<stgraber>
sbalneav: my condolences
18:27
<jammcq>
his father was 82 and had some health problems for a while. so it wasn't a big surprise, but still... it's a difficult time.
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20:17
<Chris_____>
hello :)
20:17
<alkisg>
Hi
20:18
<Chris_____>
May i ask a couple of things?
20:18
<alkisg>
!ask
20:18
<ltsp`>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
20:19
<Chris_____>
Ok, thanks. I would like to know the best way to give the shutdown and reboot command from a terminal (for itself)
20:20
<alkisg>
Is this related to LTSP at all?
20:20
<Chris_____>
i'm using openbox with only a browser, and on a touch panel where i must remap F1~F4
20:20
<alkisg>
With "terminal" you mean "ltsp client"?
20:20
<Chris_____>
oh sorry, yes, i'm using debian for it
20:21
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/epoptes-client/endsession
20:21
Save this somewhere and call it to shutdown/reboot whatever
20:21
It works in most environments, not only lxde
20:21
It's part of...
20:21
!epoptes
20:21
<ltsp`>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
20:22
<Chris_____>
i read about that, but i mean, i want only to use shutdown and reboot command
20:22
<alkisg>
Yup, it has shutdown, reboot and logout
20:22
So just don't use the logout command.
20:23
<Chris_____>
ok, i will try it, because ssh works but on this client i think is really too slow
20:23
thankyou
20:23
<alkisg>
You're welcome
20:24
<Chris_____>
and the last, is, i noticed that the client (it's old and is with a transmeta crosue... a panic) is really slow in connecting to xorg
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20:25
<Chris_____>
i read that i can use xdmcp (like i used many years ago in ltsp)
20:25
<alkisg>
!directx
20:25
<ltsp`>
directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
20:25
<alkisg>
Directx has the same speed as xdmcp
20:25
So there's no need to use xdmcp at all
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20:26
<Chris_____>
ok, perfect, maybe preparing the correct xorg.conf for the clients ? can help?
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20:26
<Chris_____>
I noticed a lot of trying about modelines not supported...
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20:26
<alkisg>
No I don't think a xorg.conf will help
20:27
<Chris_____>
:D ok, i trust you, a lot of time saved :P
20:27
<vagrantc>
Chris_____: you mean it's slow to get to the login screen, or slow once you're using it?
20:28
<Chris_____>
to get login screen
20:28
really slow
20:28
<steven_lkz>
hi, who can tell me how to capture the client's screenshot using command line? thank you in advance.
20:28
<vagrantc>
that wouldn't be helped by directx
20:28
<steven_lkz>
i installed epoptes, and can see the client's screen
20:29
<Chris_____>
i', not used to irc, i read now about encryption, it's because that i asek for xdmcp
20:29
I'm
20:30
<alkisg>
steven_lkz: Phantomas is planning a new epoptes version that will have a console front-end... until then, you could do it with ssh + epoptes' /usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display
20:30
<vagrantc>
Chris_____: yes, but xdmcp wouldn't help much either
20:30
Chris_____: it *might* help to use NBD instead of NFS
20:31
<Chris_____>
:D yes, i noticed that ubuntu used that solution, instead of nfs with debian
20:31
<vagrantc>
it has it's trade-offs, but is definitely a bit faster to boot
20:31
debian wheezy should be fairly easy to switch back and forth between the two... although i haven't yet written up good documentation about it
20:32
<Chris_____>
but i think that the real problem is the hardware... a strange mainboard made here in italy,
20:32
i think that it's a miracle that it still works :D
20:32
<vagrantc>
quite possible... works fine on other hardware?
20:33
<Chris_____>
in virtualbox is perfect, but i remember also the past, clients are faster than this one
20:33
<steven_lkz>
alkisg: thank you very much.
20:34
<Chris_____>
So vagrantc you are a developper, thankyou very much for the very good work!
20:36
Just for info, if you have time, i read about a connection (cripted or not) from the client to the user on the server, why don't have a sort of command receiver on the client in order to receive commands ? (like shutdown)
20:36
<vagrantc>
Chris_____: glad it works for you :)
20:37
Chris_____: we have great plans for LTSP6 :)
20:37
but maybe integrating something like parts of epoptes directly into LTSP would be a good idea...
20:38
<steven_lkz>
alkisg: i've found get-display script, but how to use it?
20:38
<alkisg>
steven_lkz: export $(/path/to/get-display); now you have access to X
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20:39
<alkisg>
Then you can call /usr/share/epoptes-client/screenshot, or imagemagick, or get the screen in whatever other way you want
20:39
<Chris_____>
i read a few about epoptes, i think is the best used in a class or similar
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20:39
<steven_lkz>
alkisg: sorry, can u explain more detail? thank you.
20:39
<Chris_____>
in my case, i must install about 34 touch panels, each one near a press (for plastic mouldings)
20:40
<alkisg>
steven_lkz: do you know how to automatically get screenshots in a non-ltsp environment?
20:40
<steven_lkz>
alking: no, can u give me a link?
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20:40
<alkisg>
Nope, I don't have any
20:41
<Chris_____>
only browser & pdf reader. Now the last problem is how to manage people that cutoff the power on the terminals :D
20:41
<steven_lkz>
alkisg: thank u anyway. i'll try
20:41
<alkisg>
steven_lkz: you'd need a cronjob or shell script that would get access to the X display, and then call a screenshot program
20:42
get-display is the first part, and screenshot/imagemagick the second part
20:42
But you'll need a bit of shell knowledge to fill in the missing bits...
20:43
<steven_lkz>
you mean i need to export get-display?
20:43
<alkisg>
Yes, that's one of the parts needed
20:44
<steven_lkz>
can u give me complete export command?
20:44
<Chris_____>
Thankyou again guys, see you ^^
20:44
<alkisg>
(11:38:25 μμ) alkisg: steven_lkz: export $(/path/to/get-display); now you have access to X
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20:44
<alkisg>
Ah, you mean the path?
20:45
<steven_lkz>
export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display)?
20:45
<alkisg>
export $(/usr/share/epoptes-client/get-display)
20:45
Yeah
20:45
<steven_lkz>
thank u, i'll try
20:45
<alkisg>
!flash-no-sse2 | echo vagrantc:
20:45
<ltsp`>
vagrantc: flash-no-sse2: The latest flash plugin is compiled with SSE2 instructions and thus segfaults on older CPUs. A workaround for LTSP fat clients/localapps is available in http://ts.sch.gr/repo/pool/main/f/flashplugin-no-sse2/flashplugin-no-sse2_11.1.102.63-2_i386.deb (to be installed in i386 chroots).
20:46
<alkisg>
;)
20:46
(contains the init-ltsp.d script)
20:46
(as well as the flash.so)
20:46
<vagrantc>
ah.
20:47
that makes it pretty simple.
20:47
<alkisg>
Yup, a dpkg -i away...
20:47
It indeed made more sense that way, instead of including it to upstream ltsp
20:47
Although... you know.
20:48
<vagrantc>
well, we certainly couldn't include the flash.so
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in ltsp
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<alkisg>
Of course not; it's not even an ltsp-specific problem, it affects any non-sse2-capable cpu
20:49
(it also generates a settings.js for firefox to ignore the old plugin version)
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<steven_lkz>
alkisg: i've exported get-display, then i run screenshot, where is screen saved?
20:53
alkisg: what is the format of screenshot? i want to capture a user's screen.
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<alkisg>
steven_lkz: it's dumped to stdout, you'd need to redirect it to a file. Or, use imagemagic to save it as .png, .jpg etc
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<steven_lkz>
alkisg: how to save individual user's screen?
21:10
alkisg: you said use ssh?
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<steven_lkz>
alkisg: after i run "screenshot > test.png", the size of test.png file is 0
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