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Channel log from 24 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Drock>
to download the driver and determine the correct device helped me MODULE_03 = evdev
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in lts.conf
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but calibration program doesn't correctly work
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<paras>
klausade, hello
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klausade, i installed debian-edu.. i can see ldm login screen but not able to login.. what might be the problem?
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<daya>
In ltsp client I can
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can
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sorry, ca
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can't login I see the error maximum man memory to use for agp memory:196M
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what might be the error?
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<daya>
klausade, hi
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<daya>
otavio, have u tried debian edu for ltsp,
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I have gone thru it , but not able to login in client, ?, although login screen in presented,
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<jamiejcumbria>
In older ltsp versions if some someone just switched off the client and turn it back on this would not cause a problem. But know people have been turning of my clients and I get a message saying there is a panel still running will now exit. Anyone help. I guess ssh Is holding some think open but what and how do I stop it.
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<Drock>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow>
Scottieeeee!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning cliebow!
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<cliebow>
you looked so lonely over there in the corner by yourself
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<sbalneav>
*sniff*
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<youngun>
well good morning all
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<cliebow>
lo
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<youngun>
I am trying to get some information
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about ltsp 5
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using ubuntu ultimate 7.04
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can someone assist me in changing the default sign in screen
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<sbalneav>
What do you mean? The image used?
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<youngun>
uh idk
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the big ubuntu screen with only default session appears when a client boots
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I would like to put a picture on it and offer the choice of gnome or kde
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<sbalneav>
Well, if you've got kde installed, it will offer kde as a choice for the sessions.
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<sbalneav>
As for the picture, take a look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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create your own theme, and set up the default link accordingly
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<youngun>
but it doesn't on the clients
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all it says is default
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k
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<sbalneav>
Do the following
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/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-session-manager
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What do you get?
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<youngun>
brb
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usr/bin/startkde
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<sbalneav>
That's it?
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<youngun>
yep
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<sbalneav>
ok, so that's the default
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<youngun>
i looked at the themes folder
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and it says the default is broken
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<sbalneav>
you'd have to install both gnome and kde to have a choice.
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<youngun>
but on the server login locally i can choose
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<sbalneav>
You have gnome installed?
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<sbalneav>
Well, the client gets the output from /usr/sbin/ldminfod to find out what languages and sessions are installed on the server
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<youngun>
k
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brb
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ok I looked at package manager and kde core and kde base are not installed
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i ran the script beryl metaticity aenlightenment and a few others are installed also
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along with a long list of what looks like fonts
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or languages
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well so much for that
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<sbalneav>
Installing?
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<youngun>
installing?
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I was trying to cut and paste the results of the last script
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it didn't work
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now I have a big box I have to hit ctl and enter to post msg
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neer mind I fixed it
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never seen that b4
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lol
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k I installed the 2 packages along with dependancies
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i wil try it
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nope still says default
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hmmmm
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<sbalneav>
Well, it will always say default first
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it's a drop down list
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On the server, what do you get when you run /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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please paste the results to the pastebin
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<sbalneav>
Morning ogra
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<ogra>
morning
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<youngun>
morning
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i changed the theme by cp and paste changed the default name but it did not load the theme and still no sessions
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i don't get it
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<sbalneav>
Did you run the command I asked?
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And paste the results?
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<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "the results of script" (127 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/230
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<youngun>
yes
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I pasted the results but was unable to change the theme it said no theme found on the client
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I don't know how to make a theme so i just cp and pasted
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<sbalneav>
do an ls -al /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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and paste the results
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<youngun>
k
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<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "ls -sl" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/231
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<youngun>
k results are there
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<sbalneav>
That's a stock themes directory
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Where's your theme?
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<youngun>
i deleted it when it didn't work
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i don't know how to make a theme
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i just cp and paste it
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I was hoping to google making one later but changing the theme may alter the out come
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<sbalneav>
ls -la /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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where's it pointing to?
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<youngun>
i dunno
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<sbalneav>
umm
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<youngun>
hold on i am pasting the results
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<ltsppbot>
"youngun" pasted "lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2007" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/232
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<sbalneav>
ok, so it's pointing at the ubuntu theme.
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<youngun>
yep
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how do i change that
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<sbalneav>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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update-alternatives --set ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/TheThemeYouWant
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<youngun>
threw out bunch of errors
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can not find name of group
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<sbalneav>
paste the errors please
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<youngun>
114 117 120 and 127-129
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k
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<ltsppbot>
"youngun" pasted "id: cannot find name for group" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/233
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<youngun>
looks like the user ids
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<sbalneav>
You got that from update-alternatives?
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Are you in the chroot?
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<youngun>
no the sudo chroot
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<sbalneav>
are you in the chroot?
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ls -la /usr/share/ldm/themes
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Are the themese there?
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<youngun>
yes
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<sbalneav>
ok, so you're in the choot then
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have you cp'd your theme there?
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<youngun>
no I deleted it
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<sbalneav>
Then no theme for you, I guess.
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<youngun>
i kno
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<sbalneav>
COPY ANOTHER ONE
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jeepers
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<youngun>
but i was wondering if i cp'd one there will it work
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k
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<sbalneav>
cd /usr/share/ldm/themes
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<daya>
have any one tried ltsp 5.0 in debian,
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<sbalneav>
cp -r Ubuntu MyTheme
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cd MyTheme
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put in the background.png you want
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<daya>
vagrantc, hi
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<sbalneav>
then update-alternatives --set ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme
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<daya>
vagrantc, still searching for sound support in ltsp 5.0 for debian,
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vagrantc, I have tried the debianedu, but unfourtunately I can't login in ltsp client , although login screen is presented
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<sbalneav>
you'll HAVE to use a png file
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<youngun>
k
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<sbalneav>
and it will HAVE to be called background.png
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<cliebow>
OOGA BOOGA!!
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<vagrantc>
daya: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto ... grab the backported versions
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<youngun>
but it won't let me into the cp part
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<vagrantc>
daya: the sound support is much improved.
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<sbalneav>
what do you mean, it won't let you into the cp part?
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<youngun>
got it it was a small u
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lol
11:39* ogra smiles at http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3682596
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<daya>
vagrantc, I have tried thw lower one with pulseaudio but it even don't able to login,
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<vagrantc>
daya: are you using the debian-edu version, or did you install debian-edu ?
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<daya>
in clinet,
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<youngun>
vagrantc
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<daya>
vagrantc, I have installed debian-edu debian-edu20r0-i386.iso
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<youngun>
vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
daya: debian-edu 3.0 was just released a couple days ago
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<|youngun|>
sorry
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vagrantc what sound support youlooking for
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<vagrantc>
|youngun|: i'm not looking for it. it works for me :)
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<|youngun|>
oh
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it works for me too
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now i am attempting to put together a theme
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<sbalneav>
ogra: next time you do a sync from my tree, I fixed a bug in ldminfod.
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<daya>
vagrantc, have u tested the sound support in client, that u provide the steps in bottom, of the wiki
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vagrantc, I even can't login in clinet
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<ogra>
sbalneav, yeah, saw you did a lot
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i'll try to get to it on the weekend if i have recovered from jetlag
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<sbalneav>
ldm's not stable yet, but I actually got it to change an expired password last night
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\o/ for me
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<vagrantc>
daya: in gnome, sound just worked for me with the newer ltsp packages
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<cliebow>
SBALNEAV:cOOL!
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WHOOPS
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<ogra>
yay
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<daya>
vagrantc, what was the silly mistake for me,?
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<sbalneav>
cLIEBOW i THINK YOUR cAPSlOCK KEY IS ON!!!
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<daya>
vagrantc, ok I will again follow the steps and let u know,
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<ogra>
sbalneav, ARE YOU SURE ??
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:anything besides noacpi come to mind on tht lappie?starts right up with breezy live
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<sbalneav>
YES I AM KTHXBYE OMGLOLBBQ!!!!111ONEONE
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<vagrantc>
daya: just to be clear, you get a login screen, but can't log in ?
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<sbalneav>
cliebow: hmm, dunno
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<daya>
vagrantc, yes
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:actually i always rip the basid off the keyboard first thing..
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<daya>
vagrantc, both in debian edu, and pure debian
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<cliebow>
/basid/bastid
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<vagrantc>
daya: can you ssh into the server with the same username and password ?
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<sbalneav>
I always remap my capslock to a control key
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That's the PROPER place for a control key
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<cliebow>
heck with it then..ill use breezy..
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<ogra>
until you type on a friends machine :P
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<cliebow>
ooh that a good idea
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<sbalneav>
Where God/Shiva/Vishnu/Buddha/Mohammud/<insert deity here> intended it. :) Before IBM got all uppity and decided they knew more about keyboard layouts than anyone else. :)
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<cliebow>
Ja
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all i get is a little blinkiing dash..
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<daya>
vagrantc, from tty
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vagrantc, actually I am now in home, I haven't tried that,
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<sbalneav>
Oh, look
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<cliebow>
?
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<sbalneav>
I added a euro sign to my e key
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sweet
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<vagrantc>
daya: all the traffic is tunneled through ssh, so if you can't ssh in normally, you won't be able to through LDM either
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daya: if you have ltsp-server-standalone 5.0.8debian2 installed, it should make sure all the appropriate packages are installed
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<sbalneav>
ok, I'm out to lunch.
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<cliebow>
heh me too
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<sbalneav>
HAHAHA that's a joke, get it
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be back in an hour.
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<daya>
vagrantc, is that new one,
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<cliebow>
cya
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<vagrantc>
daya: that's the newest for debian, yes.
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daya: it's what the instructions in the Howto will pull in
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daya: well, the instructions for the newer packges
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<|youngun|>
sbalneav: how do i copy from my desktop the background.png to the MyTheme
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it says it don't exsist
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<daya>
vagrantc, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/ltsp-server-standalone is it,
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<|youngun|>
i got it
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<|youngun|>
when updating the alternatives it threw an error
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i will paste it
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<ltsppbot>
"youngun" pasted "root@servitup:/usr/share/ldm/t" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/234
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<ogra>
you need to use --install not set
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see man update-alternatives
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<|youngun|>
ok
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<vagrantc>
daya: follow the instructions titled "If you want to use newer LTSP related packages (with ltspfs and pulseaudio sound):"
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<|youngun|>
that didn't work either
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<vagrantc>
daya: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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<daya>
vagrantc, ok but I have done it once, but can't go thru, any way I will have another try
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<sbalneav>
|youngun|: back
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|youngun|: You're still in the chroot
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you'll have to exit out with exit
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then, you'll have to copy from your source to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme/..
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then, you'll have to copy from your source to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme/.....
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whatever
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<|youngun|>
k
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i got the png in there it is called background
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and now it says there is no alternative for ldm
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<sbalneav>
did you go back into the chroot?
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the update-alternatives command will only work from within the chroot.
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<|youngun|>
k
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<ltsppbot>
"youngun" pasted "root@servitup:/# update-altern" (2 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/235
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<sbalneav>
did you do the sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 again?
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<|youngun|>
yep
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<sbalneav>
ls -la /etc/alternatives/ldm-theme
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Still pointing to /usr/share/ldm/themes/Ubuntu?
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<|youngun|>
yes
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<sbalneav>
ls -la /usr/share/ldm/themes
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<ltsppbot>
"youngun" pasted "drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 20" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/236
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<sbalneav>
update-alternatives --install /usr/share/ldm/themes/default ldm-theme /usr/share/ldm/themes/MyTheme 60
12:48
then the --set
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<|youngun|>
all it does is give me the help menu
12:55
got it
12:57
it worked
12:57
<zodman>
hi there i have a problem with a lts clients .......... the keyboard type is too fast ..... anyone has the problem ?
12:57
<|youngun|>
how ever do i have to go through all that when ever I change the png file?
12:58
<vagrantc>
|youngun|: as long as you just change the .png file, there's no need to update it
12:59
|youngun|: if you make a new directory, then you would have to change it.
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<|youngun|>
ok
13:00
thank you
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<cliebow>
Whoopie!
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<ogra>
goldberg ?
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<cliebow>
i dont know Why i said that..but it felt good!
13:14
<ogra>
heh
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<cliebow>
ogra:any other options that might help a balky hp laptop install??noacpi? no apic?
13:20
<ogra>
that should be nolapic
13:21
look on the ubuntu wiki, if its an old model you might find info on the LaptopTesting page
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<cliebow>
cool
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<cliebow>
boots with edgy...
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<dberkholz>
ogra: you around here somewhere?
13:50
<sbalneav>
He's moving around the show
13:50
<cliebow>
dberkholz, he just had to move from room to room
13:50
<sbalneav>
Might be back on in a bit
13:51
<dberkholz>
maybe i'll catch up in the afternoon
13:51
maybe not till evening
13:51
sounded like most folks could meet up around 7
13:51
<cliebow>
dberkholz, you there as well?
13:52
<dberkholz>
cliebow: yep
13:52
oscon is my one conference per year
13:52
<cliebow>
cool! i really miss them..
13:52
<dberkholz>
in part because it's in the same state as me
13:52
<cliebow>
heh
13:55
sbalneav:you know the definition of a "seagull superintendent " in Maine??
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3
13:56
<sbalneav>
No, I don't
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<cliebow>
a school superintendent that stays only a couple years before moving on...
14:00
He "swoops in..craps all over everything..then leaves"
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<sbalneav>
heh
14:03
Thought you yankees called those sorts of people carpetbaggers?
14:03
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Good afternoon...
14:03
<sbalneav>
Hey Guaraldo!
14:04
What's the temperature down there?
14:04
33C here
14:04
(91 F)
14:04
HOT
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: It's cold... about 17°C now... but it was about 5° early morning... I'm having some troubles with video streamming on LTSP clients (LTSP 4.2)... The sound is not sincronized... Sounds like a LongPlay in uper-rotation...
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<sbalneav>
Yep
14:06
you won't EVER get syncronized sound in 4.2
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it used esd
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which doesn't have anything in it to match the sound to the video
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it's why we switched to Pulse in ltsp5
14:07
You guys using Ubuntu?
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<Guaraldo>
yep... I've changed OSS to ALSA, it come better, but only for sond streamming... video streamming is still the same...
14:08
sbalneav: We use dapper version...
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<sbalneav>
How desparate are you to get this working?
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<sbalneav>
here's what I'd suggest: there's some great speed improvements coming for Gutsy.
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<sbalneav>
I know you'd like to stay on dapper for Long Term Support, but what you could do is, use a gutsy LTSP chroot on dapper, and then just backport some of the sound stuff.
14:11
<Adune>
Hey, I've got some newbie style questions if anyone has a few minutes.
14:11
<sbalneav>
but that'll take a few months before gutsy's stable.
14:11
Ask away, Adune
14:11
<Adune>
I'm a sysadmin in a K-12 school division, and we're looking for a way to re-use some old hardware, so I'm looking at using LTSP to do a PXE boot to linux & use RDP into MS Terminal servers
14:12
I've installed Ubuntu 7 server on a VM for testing purposes, and I followed the link to the Ubuntu docs for the quick install
14:12
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Thank you, very mutch...
14:12
<Adune>
I have a working PXE boot, but the image created doesn't seem to like any of the local users on the Ubuntu server.
14:12
I'm desperately trying to find some comprehensive documentation for LTSP under Ubuntu, and I'm drawing a blank
14:13
Any suggestions from the community here?
14:13
<vagrantc>
!ubuntu
14:13
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
14:13
<cliebow>
Adune:ogra must have a wiki link for you..
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<sbalneav>
The edubuntu handbook's got a lot of info
14:14
<cliebow>
or vagrantc 8~)
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<vagrantc>
though i'm not sure that link actually points to more useful information
14:14
<cliebow>
Adune, local users though should just work
14:14
you tried like ltsp-update-sshkeys?
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<sbalneav>
Do the terminals get booted?
14:15
you just can't log in?
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<Adune>
Correct. It seems to boot fine.
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<sbalneav>
ok, then yeah, sudo update-ltsp-sshkeys should fix you.
14:17
<Adune>
When I login from the client text prompt I get "Login invalid" returned
14:17
I've done that, but I'll try it again.
14:17
<sbalneav>
What's your server's ip address?
14:18
192.168.0.254?
14:18
<gonzaloaf_work>
Hello, is ltsp5 able to replace a ltsp4.2 ? Or is better to wait some time for a migration?
14:18
<Adune>
Do I need to reboot after updating keys?
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<cliebow>
Adune, i dont think so..
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<cliebow>
can those users ssh in to your server?
14:19
<Adune>
Yeah, I SSH'd in from a windows box
14:19
Should I be using Edubuntu instead of Ubuntu Server?
14:20
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: I've been running ltsp5 for a year and a half here
14:20
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: LTSP 5 is better at a lot of things, but a little slower.
14:20
<cliebow>
Adune, you Will need a gui
14:20
<sbalneav>
And no-ones actively developing 4.2 anymore.
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<vagrantc>
Adune: dpkg -l 'ltsp*'
14:20
Adune: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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<Adune>
Cliebow: So if I'll need to have X installed on the server?
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<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, yes I have noticed that.... I wouldnt say "a little slower" because the slowness is notorious
14:21
<vagrantc>
Adune: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
14:21
<cliebow>
Adune, you must have x installed
14:21
but that is easy
14:21
<vagrantc>
well, you must have programs that run on X installed, not X itself
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<sbalneav>
Wasn't aware it was notorious
14:21
<cliebow>
ok
14:22
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, vagrantc, what about autologin, local devices and plating audio locally?
14:23
<vagrantc>
sound works, local devices work ... autologin requires some patching
14:23
<sbalneav>
Autologin's available today with a patch gadi developed, and will be in by default next version. Both localdev and audio work fine.
14:24
<Adune>
cliebow/gonzaloaf: What distro are you running on?
14:24
Or what distro seems to have the bulk of the ltsp community?
14:24
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, is it possible to play local audio in ltsp4.2?
14:24
<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: possible, but not there by default
14:24
stuff has to be done to make it work.
14:25
<cliebow>
Adune, im still in the dark ages with rhel4 in production..
14:25
<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, ok it must be in the wiki right?
14:25
<vagrantc>
!sound
14:25
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
14:25
<vagrantc>
for ltsp 4.x
14:25
<cliebow>
and a couple schools are using feisty and ltsp4.2
14:25* vagrantc cringes
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<cliebow>
my laptop is gutsy and ltsp5
14:26
with a ppc chroot (feisty--or was it edgy)
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<Adune>
Is there a location for more comprehensive ltsp5 docs? The link from ltspbot goes to a few wiki pages with very little information, and no links to complete docs
14:27
<gonzaloaf_work>
here in my university we use ltsp4.2 and it works very well
14:27
<sbalneav>
Adune: I told you already, the edubuntu handbook
14:27
<Adune>
THanks sbal, checking it.
14:27
<sbalneav>
http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
14:28
<cliebow>
most of my terminals wont boot a 2.6 kernel..so one chroot is 4.1`
14:28* cliebow cliebow ducks..
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<sbalneav>
gonzaloaf_work: thats fine, but be aware we're not developing 4.2 anymore.
14:28
ltsp5 is the future.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
sbalneav, yes I know, thats the reason because we're planning to migrate, but we dont know when
14:29
<vagrantc>
nobody will like the future if the documentation is hard to find
14:30
<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, agree, when I installed ltsp5 for testing it was hard for me to find documentation of ltsp5
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Docs on the edubuntu handbook aren't Ubuntu specific for ltsp5, if someone would like to get them on the wiki, that'd be a great start.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
if this channel woulnt exist, I couldnt make it
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, then we've got two different places where it's documented
14:31
<Adune>
Heh, coming from this cold, I'll agree with the documentation issue. The link from ltsp for 5 for Ubuntu links to a 3 paragraph how to.
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<cliebow>
Adune, one problem is it is evolving faster than anyone can write
14:32
<sbalneav>
Could be a common doc.
14:32
it's in docbook format.
14:32
I wrote most of it :)
14:33
<Adune>
Well, this is first of all an internal test, then it will be a pilot in one school, and it that goes well, a comprehensive rollout to schools where it makes sense.
14:33
<sbalneav>
I just haven't had time to get around to getting it on the ltsp site
14:33
<Adune>
If the school pilot is successful, I'll write some docs as my contribution
14:33
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, gettig the edubuntu LTSP docs linked in the ubuntu wiki pages would probably be a good start ...
14:34
right now, we point people to the quickstart, and that works for a lot of people ... but inevitably, there are other issues that come up
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<sbalneav>
There, fixed
14:38
!docs
14:38
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "docs" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn docs as For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
14:39
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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<sbalneav>
!docs
14:39
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the best place to learn about LTSP5, please see the Edubuntu Handbook at http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
14:39
<Adune>
ltsp-update-sshkeys command doesn't give me any visual response, the edubuntu wiki says I should see some text returned showing the dsa & rsa keys were created. Suggestions?
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<sbalneav>
Where's that, on the handbook?
14:40
<Adune>
Clean install of Ubuntu server 7.04, docs I'm reading are http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-updates.html
14:40
You should see output similar to the following, and your clients will now be able to log in again.
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pete@edubuntu:~$ sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
14:40
# Creating dsa-hostkey for edubuntu
14:40
# Creating rsa-hostkey for edubuntu
14:40
# Creating dsa-hostkey for 172.29.103.77
14:40
# Creating rsa-hostkey for 172.29.103.77
14:41* vagrantc wonders where the free documentation is
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<Adune>
Or is the update sshkeys transparent now?
14:41
<sbalneav>
yeah, they changed that. Noted, I'll have to update the docs.
14:41
yeah, like most unix commands, it now follows the "no news is good news" policy.
14:41
<Adune>
Bleh, any suggestions then on an inability to login? I'm pretty close to just installing edubuntu instead.
14:42
<sbalneav>
You didn't answer my IP question
14:42
what's the ip address of your server?
14:42
<Adune>
Server is 10.10.0.1
14:42
<sbalneav>
and do you have an ssh server installed?
14:42
ps -ef | grep sshd
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<Adune>
DHCP throwing out x.20-250, client is grabbing .250. SSH daemon is running, and I can successfully putty in from a windows box
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<sbalneav>
Do you have a "SERVER = " line in your /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf file?
14:43
SERVER = 10.10.0.1
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<Adune>
I don't currently. I saw that on some other docs, added that line, and the client hung during bootup, so I removed it again to go back to the default. Let me try again.
14:47
Added server line, rebooted client, same issue. Any known issues running server/client under VMWare ESX server?
14:47
<vagrantc>
pfft.
14:47
<sbalneav>
Dunno, I know bupkiss about vmware.
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<Adune>
I'm going to give Edubuntu a shot, and if I run into more problems, I'll try this on real hardware, not VM's.
14:48
<cliebow>
yes yes
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<vagrantc>
basically, whenever people come in here asking questions about running LTSP in vmware, they have lots of problems that are difficult to troubleshoot. that's what i know about vmware and LTSP.
14:48
<cliebow>
i second that
14:50
<Adune>
Overall, don't let that cause you to write off VMWare. We're running a couple linux internet servers http/dns/etc, Netware 6.5, and some 2003 servers under vmware infrastructure, and it's fantastic.
14:52
<vagrantc>
i just write off vmware because it's not free software.
14:52
<cliebow>
jammcq likes using it too..it gave me grief when i played with it years back..and ive never come back to it
14:53
<Adune>
If you're in education, the single server good vmware is about 1k. There's also the free stuff they have now
14:53
<vagrantc>
free as in cost, not as in freedom
14:54
<Adune>
Well, I appreciate the time from the folks here, I hope ltsp works out for our division.
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<cliebow>
Adune, try edubuntu
14:55
for surer
14:56
<Adune>
It's downloading now, I will.
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<cliebow>
c ya
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<lmveloso>
Hi ogra, you are my project's mentor.
17:01
Can we talk?
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<irule>
so is there an ltsp-server-standalone package fr debian etch?
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<ogra>
!debian
18:28
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
18:29
<ogra>
irule, ^^^^^
18:29
<irule>
ok thanks
18:30
<ogra>
(to sanswer short: yes, there is :) )
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<dberkholz>
darn. just wanted to see if he was around
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<ari_stress>
welcome back cliebow_
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<sbalneav>
Eveving all
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<ari_stress>
morning sbalneav
20:44
oh man, i dont feel like working today
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<vagrantc>
!seen ogra
20:46
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ogra> (to sanswer short: yes, there is :) )
20:46
<vagrantc>
!seen jammcq
20:46
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <jammcq> ogra: we're heading over near you.
20:46* vagrantc hopes to find the LTSP crew
20:48
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: i'm around, upstairs
20:48
vagrantc: hanging out with another X guy
20:48
kinda hoping ogra jammcq et al make a showing
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: i'm still at freegeek
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: oh, ok.
21:22
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: you around the rest of the week ?
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: hey, quick question, you there?
21:24
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: yes
21:25* vagrantc slightly impatiently awaits the question
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<vagrantc>
:)
21:26
<sbalneav>
So, if we try to ssh somewhere, and we get the "are you sure you want to connect message" indicating that we don't kave a known host set up....
21:26
I assume we DON'T want to script a connect, and issue a status message on the terminal, right?
21:27
<vagrantc>
yeah.
21:27
that's a nice way for the admin to control which machines they use
21:27
<sbalneav>
Thy will be done.
21:27
<vagrantc>
or can use
21:27
<sbalneav>
right
21:27
<vagrantc>
but it should probably issue some kind of error message, rather than silently failing
21:27
<sbalneav>
and, also for the multi-login idea you had yesterday.
21:27
<vagrantc>
like the python ldm did
21:27
yeah
21:27
<sbalneav>
right, I'll issue a status message to the greeter.
21:27
<vagrantc>
nice.
21:28
<sbalneav>
eeeeexcellent.
21:28
<vagrantc>
i sure wish i could get it working on debian
21:28
<sbalneav>
Carry on, citizen.
21:28
<vagrantc>
i only tried a couple times, but it failed badly.
21:28
<sbalneav>
Get what working, the new ldm?
21:28
<vagrantc>
yeah
21:28
never has worked for me on debian
21:28
<sbalneav>
Dude, you're personal friends with the author :)
21:28
heh
21:28
<vagrantc>
this would be ridiculous if ogra, jammcq and i are all in portland at the same time and we miss each other
21:29
<sbalneav>
Got access to a phone?
21:29
I know jammcq's phone #
21:29
<vagrantc>
don't have long distance really
21:30
jim's here for a couple more days, at least ... but ogra is leaving tomorrow morning, i think...
21:30
<sbalneav>
Where are you? Want me to phone him?
21:30
Tell him where you are?
21:31
<vagrantc>
503.232.9350
21:31
<sbalneav>
That's your number?
21:31
<vagrantc>
it's freegeek's number
21:31
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll poke him
21:31
You're carrying the phone?
21:31
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: yep
21:32
vagrantc: well, through thurs night
21:32
<sbalneav>
hold on, I;ll phone him
21:34
<dberkholz>
it sounded like we were gonna meet up sometime between now and 10
21:34
but maybe that won't happen
21:34
<sbalneav>
Expect a call
21:39
vagrantc: All he got was a message saying they were closed, so he told me to tell you that he's just finishing up dinner, and will be back at the Doubletree Lloyd centre in 15-20 minutes
21:39
So, I think we've pioneered a new communications method here
21:39
<vagrantc>
gah.
21:39
i missed the call.
21:39
voice over irc
21:40
the lloyd center is scary
21:41
<dberkholz>
which part? the ice rink?
21:53
<vagrantc>
all of it
21:53
ok, so i've got a bike now.
21:53
i feel like a real cascadian.
21:53
how am i going to hunt down jim?
21:53
doubletree is a hotel ?
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ok, well ... i gotta get outta here.
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hopefully i'll track y'all down
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<johnny>
hi, i'm getting just X loading, and ldm doesn't seem to be coming up at all
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i tried looking into the troubleshooting, but ldm isn't even mentioned
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troubleshooting doc*
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i just know the user cannot login
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via console
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but i can login as the user from my own box
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omg.. my idiot friend didn't chmod it :(
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is codebrowse.launchpad.net working for anybody else?
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<sbalneav>
johnny: What are you running? Gutsy?
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<johnny>
feisty .. not gonna upgrade to gusty til it is released
22:39
well now it's back to normal after chmodding it.. i told him to fllow the directions in that mail you gave me a link to
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but, he never chmodded it :(
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i'm gonna give him a talking to
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when he gets back online
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i guess now i have to fix up the hostname situation
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it doesn't believe it's own hostname it seems
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even tho i have it set in dns
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<sbalneav>
What doesn't beleive it's own hostname? The terminal? It doesn't need to.
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<johnny>
i guess i'll see what happens when i finally get that patched ldm
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whenever codebrowse comes back up
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<iMav>
has anyone used thin clients from this company with LTSP? http://www.lucidatech.com
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<sbalneav>
johnny: it's up for me.
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<johnny>
it just hangs
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for me
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from inside here, and from my dedi
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which is like 1000 miles away btw
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<sbalneav>
try code.launchpad.net
22:55
which will also work
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<johnny>
yes.. that does work
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but the url doesn't exist
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page not found
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aha.. it lives again.. i got a request for cert this time
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<iMav>
anyone use thin clients from http://www.neoware.com (and/or the before-mentioned http://www.lucidatech.com)?
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<johnny>
oh.. guess not.. back to hanging..
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<sbalneav>
iMav: No, and no
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<johnny>
sbalneav, does this url work for you?
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https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp/download/gadi@ltsp.org-20070521205254-ek710bofdpdtlwlz/x_Matt_Zimmerman_%3cmatt.zimmerman@canonical.com%3e_Tue_Jun__7_19:59:49_2005_32192.0/ldm
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<sbalneav>
Nope, broken link
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<johnny>
that was in the link you sent me
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guess i'll find it by browsing somehow
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<sbalneav>
but you changed code for codebrowse, yes?
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<iMav>
sbalneav: ok, thanks. I'm going to be moving my kids to thin clients when I get home...so I want them to be able to have a wide range of designs to choose from (hense my inquiries regarding many different vendors)
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<sbalneav>
codebrowse does seem a bit slow.
23:00
iMav: I use either Via Eden EPIA 5000 motherboards, or thin clients from www.disklessworkstations.com
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<johnny>
yay via..
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<iMav>
any good sites for interesting mini-ITX cases?
23:01
<sbalneav>
I use some standard black nondescript thing.
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<johnny>
oh oops.. sbalneav i didn't realize they were bzr branch addresses, it looked like it came from a mailing list :)
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<sbalneav>
I'll see if i can find it
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<johnny>
hmm.. i'm here https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-ldm-mods-ltsp
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i clicked browse , but i only see a list of revisions, but no link to their contents
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<sbalneav>
cubid 2266 cases are what we use
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<johnny>
perhaps it is only browsable by logged in users?
23:05
that would be silly
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<sbalneav>
no, click on browse code
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<johnny>
i did
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and i just come to the list of revisions again
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<sbalneav>
ah, looks like canonical's proxy is down.
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<johnny>
well. i'll look it up tomorrow, now that i know they are bzr branches
23:06
now i guess i'll try for a few minuts to get the ppc clients to boot
23:07
<iMav>
Is there a tipping point spec-wise for thin clients in regards to performance? i.e. the LTSP Term 1000 description states taht it is unsuitable for LTSP 5.0 due to boot times being over 3 minutes. So, I assume that sub-3000MHz machines are probably not a good choice.
23:08
uhhh, sub 300MHz, that is. :)
23:08
my daughter would love the SYM1110. But it's meager specs have me a bit hesistant.
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<sbalneav>
I know performance is fine with the Via Edens, which are 550 mhz
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As for the 1000, a lot's been fixed with them for Gutsy. Boot times are now 90 seconds or better
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<iMav>
cool. I won't be home till spring at the earliest...so I have time to wait on Gutsy. :)
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<johnny>
i guess i'll have to look into this laterz
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night dudez
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<kaos01>
anyon eknow how to disable X from starting on the console when using gdm
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<sbalneav>
yep, take a look on the wiki, under the gdm page
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!wiki
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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<kaos01>
ok thanks
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theinfo is quite limited, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/XDMCP-GDM
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<sbalneav>
Take a look in the [servers] section
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<kaos01>
mm, still no idea