IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:16
<alkisg>
vagrantc: Hello! You said you'd work on finding good names for RM_SERVICES etc :P
05:16* alkisg will implement that today, and then do a thourough precise ltsp testing
05:21
<alkisg>
Ah vagrantc btw I renamed "-d", i.e. --mount-dev-pts, to "-t", because of the new "--mount-dev" I introduced to ltsp-chroot, hope it's not much of a problem
05:22
And also, if you have input about making NBD_NAMED the default... do you need NBD_INETD for backwards compatibility, or can we just remove the ltsp-update-image code that updates inetd?
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05:24* _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat
05:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
good evening folks
05:24
<alkisg>
Hi _UsUrPeR_
05:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
I would like to state, for the record, that as of Monday, I will no longer be associated with disklessworkstations.com
05:25
<alkisg>
Oh... will you continue to work with ltsp systems? Or will you move on to other areas?
05:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
it has been a wonderful experience, and it great to speak with all of you. I will still be around, just not in the official capacity I once was.
05:26
I am more than happy to assist and mess around with LTSP as time permits.
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05:28* alkisg wishes all the best to _UsUrPeR_ and leaves to get his kids to school :)
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05:53
<haba713>
hi! is should install ltsp to suse linux enterprise server 11. however, the repository http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/openSUSE_11.1/ is not available anymore. where can i find it from?
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<haba713>
hmm... i think i got it installed
06:15
but not yet configured.
06:16
now, can i configure it to serve my win 7 remote desktop client? what i need is my normal linux desktop shared with remote desktop protocol. no thin client suppot like pxe booting or so...
06:21
<vagrantc>
haba713: rdesktop or freerdp is what you're looking for
06:21
rdesktop has been around longer, freerdp has seen more recent development
06:22
<haba713>
i know rdesktop client but has it server also?
06:26
what i need is a remote desktop server for linux. i'm not sure if such a thing is available. :P
06:27
we currently use vnc but i think that remote desktop protocol performs better and needs no separate client installed in windows desktops.
06:29
<vagrantc>
i forget what it's called, but there is an rdp server for linux
06:30
<haba713>
i think i found it: http://www.xrdp.org/
06:30
<vagrantc>
xrdp
06:30
yup
06:31
<haba713>
vagrantc: thank you for your time! i wish all the best to ltsp which seems to be interesting but not for my purpose.
06:31
bye!
06:32
<vagrantc>
good luck!
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06:52
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I'm thinking of removing support for inetd in ltsp-update-image, do you need it for backwards compatibility?
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06:53
<alkisg>
(actually I was just going to make NBD_NAMED the default, but stgraber pointed -correctly- that there's no point in keeping inetd support...)
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07:11* alkisg thinks the ltsp-update-image short/long options are very mixed up in the getopt call...
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07:24
<alkisg>
Yup, it's broken: $ ltsp-update-image -d /srv
07:24
/usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image: invalid option -- 'd'
07:24
So I'll change the short option letters to better map with the long letters too
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07:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: pushed the change for nbd-named, I'm moving to RM_AUTOSTART, RM_SERVICES etc. Should I put them to common/ or to Ubuntu + put symlinks?
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<alkisg>
(err ok you know what I meant :D)
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09:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'll sleep on it. :)
09:14
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hehe, too late
09:14
When you wake up I'll be done, so do any changes you want later on :)
09:15
<vagrantc>
in general, i'd like to keep backports as backwards compatible as possible (i.e. the current debian stable release doesn't support named exports, although it might not be difficult to backport NBD)
09:16
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I left inetd support there, I just made named exports the default
09:17
So --openbsd-inetd updates inetd.conf
09:17
(I'd prefer --inetd, but -i was taken)
09:17
(and also it separates it from xinetd)
09:18
But for code readability, we should remove all that port/inetd based configuration stuff in some later version
09:18
...and probably we should use nbd-server/conf.d instead of writing nbd-server/config
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10:37
<alkisg>
I just completed the change from RC_WHITELIST to RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES, if anyone knows his way around the ltsp trunk it'd be nice if he could check the disabled services list.
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12:58* [GuS] Good Morning
12:58* muppis Good afternoon
12:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning
12:59
<[GuS]>
Guys, any idea why latest LTSP5 on gentoo is reading the lts.conf from the chroot instead of the tftpboot dir?
13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
[GuS]: I am incredulous. I have never used LTSP with a gentoo installation, actually, I have never even used gentoo, but the implementers couldn't have screwed up LTSP on it that bad :)
13:02
<[GuS]>
:P
13:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
are you 100% sure that it's using /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
13:02
<[GuS]>
Well, I had one older version of LTSP5 and was reading the conf file from the tftpboot folder...
13:03
_UsUrPeR_: /opt/ltsp/x86/etc/lts.conf. Yes i am sure
13:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. Okay. I think that's a version of LTSP I have never used
13:03
may be ltsp4.2?
13:03
<[GuS]>
No..
13:04
is LTSP5
13:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
huh
13:05
I've gotta say, I am not sure who is responsible for LTSP in gentoo., but you should be able to find an answer here somewhere.
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13:10
<[GuS]>
I wil have to ask knipwim when is there, He was helping me these days :)
13:15
<khildin>
try a proper distro to run LTSP on..... ;D
13:15* khildin runs
13:15
<khildin>
^^
13:15
<[GuS]>
khildin: is in the copany i work... so.... No.
13:16
We use Gentoo in all servers here.
13:26
<knipwim-work>
[GuS]: you are talking about 5.2.19?
13:26
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: .18
13:27
<knipwim-work>
so far as i can recollect, no changes have been made in the lts.conf download behaviour
13:27
<[GuS]>
weird :S
13:27
is the second server that happens to me
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13:29
<Stefan544>
Hi, I have a question about installing packages with apt-get (debian 6) inside chrooted ltsp build. Any one out there interested in helping me?
13:30
<knipwim-work>
[GuS]: do you see a tftp download attempt in the server log when the client is booting?
13:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: I'll take a swing at it
13:30
<Stefan544>
thanks :)
13:30
<Hyperbyte>
For future references Stefan544....
13:30
!ask
13:30
<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
13:30
<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:30
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: of lts.conf? let me check
13:30
<Stefan544>
!ask
13:30
<ltsp`>
Stefan544: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
13:31
<knipwim-work>
_UsUrPeR_: btw, i'm responsible for gentoo ltsp5 nowadays :)
13:31
<Stefan544>
=)
13:31
<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
well alright then. what's up with the lts.conf in the ltsp image /etc folder? :)
13:31
<Stefan544>
I am trying to install some packages needed to compile latest freerdp from source
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: I know where you're going with this
13:32
<Stefan544>
but I'm getting error from apt-get.. dependency problem
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
DO NOT COMPILE IN THE CHROOT
13:32
<Stefan544>
hm ok
13:32
<knipwim-work>
the only thing i can think of is it tries to download it from tftp, and uses the fallback location on the chroot when that fails
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
here's what you do:
13:32* [GuS] booting
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
get an i386 machine with the same kernel version
13:32
<Hyperbyte>
_UsUrPeR_, I believe the /etc/lts.conf in the chroot is used for NFS implementations. It's not needed with NBD.
13:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
aah
13:33
<knipwim-work>
[GuS]: i had some issues with my tftp client, and had to use curl for downloading the lts.conf
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13:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: get an i386-capable machine with the same kernel version, and build freerdp in there.
13:33
Stefan544: when you have successfully compiled freerdp, use checkingstall to create a .deb package
13:33
Stefan544: you can then just copy the .deb package in to the ltsp image, and run it in the chroot
13:34
Stefan544: does that make sense?
13:34
<Stefan544>
Ok, well in that case, why not in THE machine "hosting" ltsp..? You mean that after I have compiled it in a machine with same kernel and architecture, just copy the whole program folder into the ltsp build and then run "ltsp-update-image" ?
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: that could work too, yeah. As long as the program folder is working properly
13:36
<Stefan544>
Ok, thanks. I will do some testing and get back here again if it fails.
13:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: I normally serve LTSP on a 64-bit arch, so I always have to do this on a separate machine
13:36
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: there is no attempt to download that file
13:36
<Stefan544>
Oh, okay. I'm running a vmware 32-bit machine.
13:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
Stefan544: for the record, I was testing freerdp myself about a month ago. The people in #freerdp are great, and willing to help. Remember, the newer version is still in beta, so it could be kind of screwey
13:37
Stefan544: however, I was able to get freerdp working
13:37
<knipwim-work>
[GuS]: what client version are you using
13:37
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: of tftp?
13:38
<knipwim-work>
ltsp-client
13:38
<Stefan544>
Ok, thanks. They released 1.0.1 just hours ago, and it seems to work pretty good. With video acceleration and network level authentication.
13:38
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: i am using 5.2.18-r2... dont know is the same version of the client... which i am sure it is.
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
[GuS], Gentoo uses NFS, correct? Rather than NBD?
13:39
<knipwim-work>
Hyperbyte: yup
13:39
<[GuS]>
Hyperbyte: yep
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
Then doesn't it also use lts.conf from the chroot image, rather than TFTP?
13:39
Well "image", chroot folder.
13:40
<[GuS]>
The older version of LTSP5 i was using was raeding it from tftpboot folder.
13:40
reading*
13:40
Now i dont know what changed.
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13:43
<knipwim-work>
[GuS]: i don't know either
13:43
especially since it's working for me
13:44
<[GuS]>
:(
13:44
<knipwim-work>
also, i can't really help now since i'm at work
13:44
and my home server is still dead
13:44
<[GuS]>
knipwim-work: no problem :)
13:45
<knipwim-work>
however, i'm free in a couple of hours
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13:47
<[GuS]>
Is not problem to have it inside chroot... just a problem if i forget to backup it when deleting the chroot for any reason :P
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<knipwim-work>
kk, so you can work for now :)
13:48
<[GuS]>
yep
13:48
knipwim-work: thanks
13:49
<andygraybeal>
greeets to all :)
13:52
<[GuS]>
o/
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15:41
<stgraber>
alkisg: hey there, are you ready for another PPA upload of the current trunk or is there more you want to do in it before that?
15:41
<alkisg>
stgraber: in 3 hours please, let me upload an LTSP_CLIENT_MAC and a few others
15:41
stgraber: can you upload ldm too? That'll need a small change in X50-generate-env of ldm
15:42
<stgraber>
alkisg: would be best to wait for vagrant for ldm, he's supposed to upload a new one to Debian today
15:42
<alkisg>
Ah, ok, yup that's fine
15:42
<stgraber>
alkisg: so make sure he gets that change in his upload too
15:43
<alkisg>
stgraber: if you have some time, get a quick look at the disabled services
15:43
<stgraber>
(he's not planning on tagging a new trunk, he'll just copy some changes manually)
15:43
<alkisg>
...so that I do the testing afterwards
15:43
stgraber: also, please delete the upstart reboot/shutdown scripts, so that I test if nbd sendsigs is now working
15:44
(now == that we don't disable that service)
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<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, next upload won't have the upstart jobs
16:07
<mgariepy>
alkisg, quick question, is the nbd-server able to handle updates of chroot ?
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<alkisg>
mgariepy: I haven't looked at the code, but I think that in theory, if the updated chroot has the same name, the server shouldn't have a problem assigning the new image to the newly booted clients
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<alkisg>
If the updated chroot has a different file name, then I think an nbd-server restart is required
16:16
<frederickjh>
Hi all! I am getting an error running pipewalker and the same running glxgears on the ltsp clients. X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) Major opcode of failed request: 136 (DRI2) Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (DRI2Connect) Serial number of failed request: 19
16:17
Anyone have any idea what is causing this? I saw some stuff regarding DRI but have no idea where to start looking.
16:17
By the way pipewalker and glxgears run fine on the server.
16:19
<alkisg>
frederickjh: are those localapps or normal apps running on the server?
16:19
<frederickjh>
normal apps running on the server.
16:19
<alkisg>
3d apps don't work well over the network
16:19
<frederickjh>
I do have some localapps setup but not these.
16:19
<alkisg>
You'd better install any 3d apps you want as localapps
16:20
<frederickjh>
ok,
16:20
<alkisg>
(or switch to fat clients, if it suits you)
16:20
If the client card supports it, it's possible to have 3d apps running on thin clients, but they'll go slow
16:25
<frederickjh>
ok, thanks for the heads up.
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16:57
<alkisg>
stgraber: I'm ready. I'm sure after the testing we'll need some changes, e.g. to remove Ubuntu/50-sendsigs as it should be handled by the nbd service, but it'll be easier to check them all with new ldm/ltsp packages.
16:57
<epaphus>
hello all.. been a while. hello alkisg :)
16:57
<alkisg>
Hi epaphus
16:58
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, I'll upload a new ltsp in a few minutes
17:02
alkisg: uploaded
17:03
<alkisg>
Thanks, will try building a new fat client chroot tomorrow, with extensive tests
17:10
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, packages should be ready in 20min or so
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18:59
<mgariepy>
stgraber, dans ltsp-client-core init-bottoms/ltsp c'est normal ? ou juste une typo ?
19:01
<stgraber>
mgariepy: ça ressemble à un typo
19:02
mgariepy: tu as vu ça où? (je ne le vois pas dans ltsp-trunk)
19:02
ah, packaging I guess
19:02
right, fixing, will re-upload
19:03
<mgariepy>
hey j'ai une nouvelle version de nbd-proxy en cours de test
19:03
est-ce que tu peux l'inclure ?
19:03
<stgraber>
pousse dans trunk
19:04
et je vais rebase sur le nouveau turnk
19:04
uploadé avec le typo fix for now
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<stgraber>
oh, thought we were in #revolutionlinux, I guess we should continue in English ;)
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<mgariepy>
lol yeah sorry guys haha
19:06
<stgraber>
hey vagrantc
19:07
not sure if alkisg told you already but he's pushed another change to ldm-trunk that should be in your next upload (something to do with fat clients IIRC)
19:07
<vagrantc>
how's it going?
19:07
<stgraber>
pretty good, busy time though :) you?
19:08
<vagrantc>
fixin to upload ltsp 5.3 today :)
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19:10
<stgraber>
I believe ltsp is still pretty broken, I just pushed a new snapshot and will upload yet another one once mgariepy lands the new nbd-proxy
19:10
<vagrantc>
oh cool. that's a good change.
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19:10
<vagrantc>
oh.
19:10
<stgraber>
alkis' plan is to do some more testing of the packages tomorrow, hopefully we'll have something usable in ltsp-trunk by Tuesday-ish
19:10
<vagrantc>
:(
19:10
<stgraber>
so I'd wait for 5.3 ;) ldm should be good to go though
19:11
<vagrantc>
it was working pretty good for me last november ... planning on going with NFS+aufs+tmpfs for /
19:11
<stgraber>
cool, yeah, that'd be much closer to what we have in Ubuntu so we'll now have the same bugs ;)
19:13
<vagrantc>
i still wonder if i shouldn't go with NBD...
19:14
<stgraber>
what was the reason for sticking with nfs?
19:15
<vagrantc>
it's a lot easier to maintain, in my experience.
19:15
<stgraber>
right, modifying the chroot and having the changes apply immediately is kind of nice
19:16
<vagrantc>
and having to explain ltsp-update-image, not editing lts.conf in place, all that mess.
19:16
that said, NBD definitely has better performance
19:17
although with the new initramfs code, it's easier to switch back and forth...
19:17
so it'll be easier for people to decide...
19:17
<stgraber>
yep
19:17
<vagrantc>
might even be able to switch back and forth on a per boot basis... which would be nice for development testing.... but then switch to NBD once everything is set up.
19:18
<stgraber>
should be easily doable, it's really just a matter of having both installed and changing the tftp entry
19:19
<vagrantc>
right... wonder if there's an easier way pre-tftp
19:20
<stgraber>
we might be able to abuse dhcp for that ;) or make the init scripts do the right thing and fallback to nfs if nbd isn't available
19:21
<vagrantc>
ok. i'll get ldm uploaded and then we'll see what i can do with LTSP today.
19:22
<stgraber>
ok. Would be nice to have trunk tested on both Ubuntu and Debian before we tag 5.3, just so we don't need to tag 5.3.1 a day later ;)
19:23
<vagrantc>
yeah, i should have time to work on it today and monday
19:23
you've got a fairly hard deadline of tuesday for ubuntu?
19:24
<stgraber>
I need to upload ltsp on Thursday at the latest but I'd prefer to have a few days to spare
19:25
if Thursday works better for you, I can deal with tagging 5.3 on Wednesday night / Thursday morning and uploading it then
19:25
<vagrantc>
i hope to have it in good shape for debian by today or monday at the latest :)
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19:45
<mgariepy>
Pushed up to revision 2011.
19:45
almost this year revision :)
19:46
<vagrantc>
hah
19:46
<mgariepy>
nbd-proxy have a small issue when reconnecting. but francois-denis will fix it soon.
19:47
<vagrantc>
nbd--proxy is disabled by default now, yes?
19:47
highvoltage: and presuming i get all that done.,, ltsp-cluster* :)
19:48
<mgariepy>
vagrantc, yes :)
19:49
<vagrantc>
nbd-proxy mostly had issues with slower clients?
19:50
<mgariepy>
the first release had issues with dual core processor
19:52
the second one is working extremely well with port based export, i haven't had issue with the fixed one. (i don't have <64M client either)
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19:57
<mgariepy>
and from the tests i made with port based exports, i had almost no difference for performance when using it.
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20:31
<stgraber>
mgariepy: I guess you want a new PPA upload with these commits?
20:43
<vagrantc>
ok, ldm is pretty good.
20:49
ok, uploading ldm
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20:55
<stgraber>
cool, I'll monitor and sync in Ubuntu when it's available in the repository
20:57
<vagrantc>
although i didn't really test the new features, it's a small code change and didn't break the defaults.
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<vagrantc>
now, to test ltsp...
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<vagrantc>
something's either messed up with my build environment or messed up with ltsp-trunk
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21:38
<vagrantc>
seems more likely my build environment ... it's saying things i've patched from debian/patches are differences from the upstream source...
21:39
oh-ho! my tarball script is borked.
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21:53
<mgariepy>
stgraber, not really now, nbd-proxy is broken i can wait your next uplaod.
21:55
<vagrantc>
meh. recommending rsyslog pulls in a mail server...
21:57
<alkisg>
mgariepy, vagrantc: stgraber proposed to completely remove support for inetd, do you still need that?
21:57* alkisg thinks we should be using nbd-server/conf.d...
21:58
<alkisg>
Hrm anyways it's late here, 'night all, will do some extensive tests tomorrow.
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21:59
<vagrantc>
i've used it in the past...
22:00
well, first run didn't go so well.
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22:04
<mgariepy>
I might need inetd, depending on name based export chroot updates..
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22:17
<vagrantc>
stgraber: so, it seems debian will ship with aufs (no idea about overlayfs) ... would it be back for the initramfs hooks to force_load both aufs and overlayfs for you?
22:18
<stgraber>
vagrantc: doesn't the current initramfs hook work with both already?
22:19
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yes, it works with both, but doesn't include the aufs module.
22:19
<stgraber>
ah, what happens to force_load if the module doesn't exist?
22:19
<vagrantc>
stgraber: it complains that it doesn't exist
22:19
the it still runs...
22:19
<stgraber>
does it still work though?
22:19
ok, good
22:19
aufs was entirely removed from Ubuntu, so as long as it doesn't make update-initramfs fail, I'm fine.
22:22
<vagrantc>
think it should work fine... we could also add some more conditional logic to check if the module is present and only load it in those cases...
22:23
got some weird issue where //etc/hosts ends up with a line "server server"
22:23
<muppis>
:D
22:29
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i guess i could just drop another hook in there for debian to force_load aufs instead of forcing it upstream.
22:29
although for backportability, probably easier to have both work
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22:32
<vagrantc>
seems like the client hostname thing is using a different numbering scheme
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22:40
<vagrantc>
use "sed -i -e" *not* "sed -ie"
22:40
it behaves differently, and is rarely what you meant.
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22:47
<vagrantc>
meh. someone broke the mirror parsing code :(
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22:50
<vagrantc>
huh... i last touched the add_mirrors function in early 2010...
23:00
oh, i think it was the script i was using to pass the arguments.
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23:25
<vagrantc>
hmmmm...
23:25
new hostname setting code always defaults to ltsp0 for me.
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23:44
<vagrantc>
something is setting the SERVER variable before the code that detects the server is run...
23:57
huh. for some reason NBD_ROOT_HOST is set to something...
23:58
it's set to "server"