IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 March 2014   (all times are UTC)

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00:57
<BrotherOdd>
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01:48* vagrantc wonders if any ltsp users use raspberry pi as an LTSP server
01:54
<N6W6>
hey vagrantc, I've been having some headaches trying to get it working as a client, haven't tried as a server though. I feel that kind of hardware has a lot of potential for thin-client stuff given its price though.
01:55
<vagrantc>
yeah, although i'm more impressed by the wandboard or cubox-i at this point
01:55
the cubox-i looks really competatively priced with the rpi, but has a case by default.
01:55
<N6W6>
oh that's nice, i hadn't seen that one
01:56
<vagrantc>
and can conceivably run plain debian
01:56
with prospects of mainlined kernel support
01:57* vagrantc is hoping to get one to test end of month
01:57
<vagrantc>
i've got the wandboard running off of debian's 3.13 kernel, although haven't tested video at all.
01:58
<N6W6>
as that kind of hardware gets more popular i think we're going to see a lot of cool things like that coming out i'm excited for the future of it
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07:58
<FrozenZia>
Morning. Ok, so trying to do a ltsp-pnp install and I've gone and answered the "do you want to shut down nbd-clients with 'stop' command" with YES instead of NO, which I understand now to be the WRONG answer. What do I need to change now to undo my mistake?
08:02
<vagrantc>
sudo dpkg-reconfigure nbd-server
08:02
er, nbd-client
08:02
FrozenZia: good to see ya
08:06
<FrozenZia>
vagrantc: et tu -- was hoping you'd still be reachable thru the ltsp irc!
08:07
and tx! nice and simple...
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08:16
<FrozenZia>
There were some instructions somewhere for configuring an ltsp-pnp setup so clients could use a server-installed printer. They seemed to require that the server have a fixed IP address, does that sound right?
08:22
<alkisg>
FrozenZia: the answer to nbd-client doesn't matter
08:22
And the server doesn't have to have a fixed ip address, no
08:22
It's just easier if you actually name your server "server"
08:23
Because then the dns name matches between the ltsp clients and cups server, so you don't have to do extra steps
08:27
<FrozenZia>
alkisg: ok, tx. And I can do that name change with /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, right?
08:27
<alkisg>
Right, and reboot
08:27
<FrozenZia>
Yep. Great. Tx!
08:27
<alkisg>
Also verify that you share your printers in the cups settings
08:28
"share printers on this pc" "view all network printers" or something, 2 options there
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08:53
<effenberg>
never get used to cups, still sharing printers with netcat
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09:19
<alkisg>
sbalneav: ltsp.org is unresolvable in DNS, and the server is unreachable, both irclogs and ssh
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10:58
<mealstrom>
alkisg: do you need DNS server entry for that domain?
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11:17
<alkisg>
mealstrom: thanks, no idea, jammcq maintains the server, I'm just a poor lonesome dev... :)
11:22
<mealstrom>
alkisg: ah, ok. If you need DNS server for ltsp.org domain ill give you a hand. let me know.
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13:30
<gbaman>
alkisg: shared folders arent working?
13:30
<alkisg>
gbaman: what shared folders?
13:30
<gbaman>
finally got it to run without an error, the logged onto pi. Where would it come up?
13:31
you passed me a shared folder script from sch-scripts
13:31
<alkisg>
Ah. Well you're supposed to see what it does and adjust it to your needs
13:31
It works fine here, as part of the sch-scripts framework...
13:55
<gbaman>
i did have to bring in common and a few other bits
13:57
it has created a new folder in /home/shared
13:57
but when i switched to my pupil account
13:58
it didnt have permission to open shared
14:03
<alkisg>
Did you create a group and add both the teacher and the pupils to that?
14:05
The shares are group-based, you need to list a teachers group and some shared_groups in the configuration file, and add teachers/pupils to them
14:24
<gbaman>
oh, it has a config file...
14:25
I created a group called pupils
14:25
and a group called teachers
14:27
is there a way to get it to create a default config file alkisg
14:50
<alkisg>
gbaman: read the source code and create another one similar
14:50
sch-scripts are not internationalized yet
14:51
So you can mostly get ideas for them...
14:51
The configuration file is in sch-scripts trunk branch
14:51
<highvoltage>
hey alkisg
14:51
<alkisg>
Hi highvoltage
14:51
<gbaman>
i noticed, anything I could be doing to help to speed the internationalisation on?
14:51
<highvoltage>
alkisg: how's it going?
14:52
<alkisg>
highvoltage: all ok... I'm still considering whether to use gnome-panel or some of the mint versions for 14.04 for schools here...
14:52
One of the major unresolved issues is that the keyboard indicator isn't working
14:53
That's a canonical developers issue, do you think you could ping someone to have a look?
14:53
(it's a regression, it used to work fine...)
14:53
<highvoltage>
alkisg: yesterday I tried to figure out the delay in nautilus and indicator items in ubuntu... and failed.
14:54
<alkisg>
The delay in launching gnome panel was caused by libc and was solved a couple of weeks ago, are you talking about that?
14:54
<highvoltage>
alkisg: yes, still happens on my sync from earlier this week though
14:55
<alkisg>
Hmm I reset a lot of the settings here to get things back as they were... does it happen with a new user?
14:55
<highvoltage>
ah, I see some error about permission denied to the accounts service when trying to change keyboard layout
14:55
alkisg: yes, brand new installation.
14:55* highvoltage syncs and does a new install just to be completely completely sure
14:55
<alkisg>
I think the problem with the keyboard layout is that it doesn't listen to xorg anymore, it only checks a gsettings key
14:56
The new layout changing combination is pretty broken, so I expect people here to keep using the xorg one
14:56
I.e. if you press alt+space and release alt before the space, it doesn't work
14:57
I think the older gnome-settings-daemon had an ubuntu-specific patch to listen for xorg layout changes
14:57
That was dropped a few months ago, I think that's what we need to get back
14:57
Or, drop the ubuntu-specific indicators and use the gnome ones, as those still work fine
14:57
It's just ubuntu that breaks things... :(
14:58
gbaman: there are no plans for internationalizing sch-scripts currently... maybe if some sponsors were found... you might want to check one of the open source fund raising services
15:00
<gbaman>
would it not just involve making use of pythons internationalisation stuff by defining the greek strings as translatable and running them through, is it gettext?
15:00
<alkisg>
Sure if you want to fork sch-scripts, you can
15:01
But to do things properly, the opposite needs to be done
15:01
<gbaman>
i took a stab at it, but didnt get very far :(
15:01
<alkisg>
I.e. write everything in english, don't put any greek-specific code (like some gsettings for gedit, totem etc),
15:01
<gbaman>
every greek string now has _() :)
15:01
<alkisg>
use translations.launchpad.net for translations, etc etc
15:02
Forking sch-scripts that way would make it very difficult to sync with newer versions
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15:06
<gbaman>
is launchpad translations automatic when set up or translated by hand?
15:07
<alkisg>
Real persons do the translations
15:07
<gbaman>
not a way to automate it?
15:08
<alkisg>
Automate the translations? There doesn't exist software that does translations right yet.
15:08
Maybe in 100 years...
15:09
<gbaman>
stuff like google and bing translators do a rather decent job
15:09
decent enough for 90%+ of people
15:09
<alkisg>
Nah
15:09
Not even for 10% of people
15:09
Don't forget that there are many languages that it doesn't support at all yet
15:10
And it only does a fare job at easy languages, latin based et
15:10
c
15:10
<gbaman>
perhaps, but it supports a lot more than sch-scripts currently supports :)
15:10
<alkisg>
If we wrote sch-scripts in english, and let google translate it to greek, we'd have a much worse UI than what we have now
15:11
<gbaman>
did get a good laugh from it suggesting envelope instead of folder though :)
15:11
<alkisg>
Wait until you read the translations it does to greek... :)
15:11
One needs to re-translate them to english to make sense of them
15:12
Also we have some greek-specific code, e.g. you wouldn't want gedit to use cp1253 (greek) encoding, nor totem to read greek subtitles...
15:12
<gbaman>
:)
15:12
<alkisg>
Nor the (broken in ubuntu) keyboard layout set in greek...
15:13
<gbaman>
did make me laugh that most of the comments in sch-scripts are in enlgish though :)
15:13
<alkisg>
We don't mind writing in english; we mind having to translate in greek on every release
15:14
Comments don't get translated so it's ok to have them in english
15:15
If some developer wanted to use and contribute to sch-scripts for many years, we would i18n them, it would be worth the trouble then
15:15
(some non-greek developer, I meant..)
15:16
<gbaman>
think the issue is, LTSP just isnt know of over here
15:16
I was amazed at a recent geek event when i discovered 2 devs had heard of it (they didnt actually know what it was)
15:17
<alkisg>
The name doesn't matter; it's just netbooting
15:17
Were many people at that geek even using linux?
15:17
*event
15:18
<gbaman>
well, was a Raspberry Pi event, so 90% of them, but more were beginners
15:18
these 2 guys both had ubuntu as their main OS on laptops
15:18
everyone else had wondows.mac
15:18
*windows
15:18
*windows/mac
15:19
<alkisg>
Here almost noone uses mac
15:20
All schools were using windows, but now we got many of them to switch to linux
15:21
<gbaman>
here, in NI, every single school uses windows, 1 massive shared system, schools dont have a choice
15:21
<alkisg>
But it wasn't as simple as it sounds; we had to package 5+ gb of greek educational apps in .deb format etc
15:21
It's against the law to not have a choice
15:21
<gbaman>
some schools then use macs for art and music departments
15:22
well, they have a choice here :)
15:22
choice is, get free computers via the shared network
15:22
or buy computers out of your own school budget and set up your own network
15:22
<alkisg>
Then someone needs to sue the shared network
15:22
For not offering alternatives
15:23
<gbaman>
Wish it could be done, but it is backed by the government
15:23
paid for by department of education
15:23
<alkisg>
Sure
15:23
<gbaman>
and subcontracted out to a hopeless company that is 3 years behind
15:24
<alkisg>
Here, when the government wants to e.g. buy 100 PCs, it can't specify that it wants this OS and this Office suite and this vendor etc
15:24
It's illegal; it will get a big fine if it does so
15:24
<gbaman>
were meant to be windows 7, wifi in all schools etc. 2ish years ago was promised
15:25
<alkisg>
Anyways, jogging time, bbl :)
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17:49
<pycoderf>
hello all.
17:50
is there a way to verify local_apps=true is working from my lts.conf?
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18:04
<Hyperbyte>
pycoderf, do you have access to a local terminal on the client?
18:04
If not, do:
18:04
!screen_02
18:04
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
18:04
<Hyperbyte>
Once you have access there, type getltscfg -a
18:04
Shows you which config it loaded exactly.
18:05
Also, unless you're running some strange (or really old) version of LTSP, LOCAL_APPS is "true" by default and there's no need to specify it in lts.conf
18:10
<pycoderf>
Hyperbyte: i am running the one fromt he ubuntu repos. also i noticed the ssh timeout doesnt seem to diconnect my idle client
18:11
<vagrantc>
you're never really idle when running X
18:16
<pycoderf>
so how would i best log out idle clients?
18:16
<Hyperbyte>
pycoderf, are you asking about local apps or idle clients?
18:16
<pycoderf>
Well if localapps work by default then I am not concerned about it and want to focus on idle clients
18:18
<vagrantc>
configure a screensaver to trigger logout
18:18
<alkisg>
xprintidle
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<vagrantc>
xprintidle is useful for that indeed.
18:20
<pycoderf>
i am using the mate desktop environment since cinnamon has a lockup issue and the screensaver does not seem to let the user unlock the machine
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