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|01:48||* vagrantc wonders if any ltsp users use raspberry pi as an LTSP server|
hey vagrantc, I've been having some headaches trying to get it working as a client, haven't tried as a server though. I feel that kind of hardware has a lot of potential for thin-client stuff given its price though.
yeah, although i'm more impressed by the wandboard or cubox-i at this point
the cubox-i looks really competatively priced with the rpi, but has a case by default.
oh that's nice, i hadn't seen that one
and can conceivably run plain debian
with prospects of mainlined kernel support
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i've got the wandboard running off of debian's 3.13 kernel, although haven't tested video at all.
as that kind of hardware gets more popular i think we're going to see a lot of cool things like that coming out i'm excited for the future of it
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Morning. Ok, so trying to do a ltsp-pnp install and I've gone and answered the "do you want to shut down nbd-clients with 'stop' command" with YES instead of NO, which I understand now to be the WRONG answer. What do I need to change now to undo my mistake?
sudo dpkg-reconfigure nbd-server
FrozenZia: good to see ya
vagrantc: et tu -- was hoping you'd still be reachable thru the ltsp irc!
and tx! nice and simple...
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There were some instructions somewhere for configuring an ltsp-pnp setup so clients could use a server-installed printer. They seemed to require that the server have a fixed IP address, does that sound right?
FrozenZia: the answer to nbd-client doesn't matter
And the server doesn't have to have a fixed ip address, no
It's just easier if you actually name your server "server"
Because then the dns name matches between the ltsp clients and cups server, so you don't have to do extra steps
alkisg: ok, tx. And I can do that name change with /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, right?
Right, and reboot
Yep. Great. Tx!
Also verify that you share your printers in the cups settings
"share printers on this pc" "view all network printers" or something, 2 options there
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never get used to cups, still sharing printers with netcat
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sbalneav: ltsp.org is unresolvable in DNS, and the server is unreachable, both irclogs and ssh
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alkisg: do you need DNS server entry for that domain?
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mealstrom: thanks, no idea, jammcq maintains the server, I'm just a poor lonesome dev... :)
alkisg: ah, ok. If you need DNS server for ltsp.org domain ill give you a hand. let me know.
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alkisg: shared folders arent working?
gbaman: what shared folders?
finally got it to run without an error, the logged onto pi. Where would it come up?
you passed me a shared folder script from sch-scripts
Ah. Well you're supposed to see what it does and adjust it to your needs
It works fine here, as part of the sch-scripts framework...
i did have to bring in common and a few other bits
it has created a new folder in /home/shared
but when i switched to my pupil account
it didnt have permission to open shared
Did you create a group and add both the teacher and the pupils to that?
The shares are group-based, you need to list a teachers group and some shared_groups in the configuration file, and add teachers/pupils to them
oh, it has a config file...
I created a group called pupils
and a group called teachers
is there a way to get it to create a default config file alkisg
gbaman: read the source code and create another one similar
sch-scripts are not internationalized yet
So you can mostly get ideas for them...
The configuration file is in sch-scripts trunk branch
i noticed, anything I could be doing to help to speed the internationalisation on?
alkisg: how's it going?
highvoltage: all ok... I'm still considering whether to use gnome-panel or some of the mint versions for 14.04 for schools here...
One of the major unresolved issues is that the keyboard indicator isn't working
That's a canonical developers issue, do you think you could ping someone to have a look?
(it's a regression, it used to work fine...)
alkisg: yesterday I tried to figure out the delay in nautilus and indicator items in ubuntu... and failed.
The delay in launching gnome panel was caused by libc and was solved a couple of weeks ago, are you talking about that?
alkisg: yes, still happens on my sync from earlier this week though
Hmm I reset a lot of the settings here to get things back as they were... does it happen with a new user?
ah, I see some error about permission denied to the accounts service when trying to change keyboard layout
alkisg: yes, brand new installation.
|14:55||* highvoltage syncs and does a new install just to be completely completely sure|
I think the problem with the keyboard layout is that it doesn't listen to xorg anymore, it only checks a gsettings key
The new layout changing combination is pretty broken, so I expect people here to keep using the xorg one
I.e. if you press alt+space and release alt before the space, it doesn't work
I think the older gnome-settings-daemon had an ubuntu-specific patch to listen for xorg layout changes
That was dropped a few months ago, I think that's what we need to get back
Or, drop the ubuntu-specific indicators and use the gnome ones, as those still work fine
It's just ubuntu that breaks things... :(
gbaman: there are no plans for internationalizing sch-scripts currently... maybe if some sponsors were found... you might want to check one of the open source fund raising services
would it not just involve making use of pythons internationalisation stuff by defining the greek strings as translatable and running them through, is it gettext?
Sure if you want to fork sch-scripts, you can
But to do things properly, the opposite needs to be done
i took a stab at it, but didnt get very far :(
I.e. write everything in english, don't put any greek-specific code (like some gsettings for gedit, totem etc),
every greek string now has _() :)
use translations.launchpad.net for translations, etc etc
Forking sch-scripts that way would make it very difficult to sync with newer versions
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is launchpad translations automatic when set up or translated by hand?
Real persons do the translations
not a way to automate it?
Automate the translations? There doesn't exist software that does translations right yet.
Maybe in 100 years...
stuff like google and bing translators do a rather decent job
decent enough for 90%+ of people
Not even for 10% of people
Don't forget that there are many languages that it doesn't support at all yet
And it only does a fare job at easy languages, latin based et
perhaps, but it supports a lot more than sch-scripts currently supports :)
If we wrote sch-scripts in english, and let google translate it to greek, we'd have a much worse UI than what we have now
did get a good laugh from it suggesting envelope instead of folder though :)
Wait until you read the translations it does to greek... :)
One needs to re-translate them to english to make sense of them
Also we have some greek-specific code, e.g. you wouldn't want gedit to use cp1253 (greek) encoding, nor totem to read greek subtitles...
Nor the (broken in ubuntu) keyboard layout set in greek...
did make me laugh that most of the comments in sch-scripts are in enlgish though :)
We don't mind writing in english; we mind having to translate in greek on every release
Comments don't get translated so it's ok to have them in english
If some developer wanted to use and contribute to sch-scripts for many years, we would i18n them, it would be worth the trouble then
(some non-greek developer, I meant..)
think the issue is, LTSP just isnt know of over here
I was amazed at a recent geek event when i discovered 2 devs had heard of it (they didnt actually know what it was)
The name doesn't matter; it's just netbooting
Were many people at that geek even using linux?
well, was a Raspberry Pi event, so 90% of them, but more were beginners
these 2 guys both had ubuntu as their main OS on laptops
everyone else had wondows.mac
Here almost noone uses mac
All schools were using windows, but now we got many of them to switch to linux
here, in NI, every single school uses windows, 1 massive shared system, schools dont have a choice
But it wasn't as simple as it sounds; we had to package 5+ gb of greek educational apps in .deb format etc
It's against the law to not have a choice
some schools then use macs for art and music departments
well, they have a choice here :)
choice is, get free computers via the shared network
or buy computers out of your own school budget and set up your own network
Then someone needs to sue the shared network
For not offering alternatives
Wish it could be done, but it is backed by the government
paid for by department of education
and subcontracted out to a hopeless company that is 3 years behind
Here, when the government wants to e.g. buy 100 PCs, it can't specify that it wants this OS and this Office suite and this vendor etc
It's illegal; it will get a big fine if it does so
were meant to be windows 7, wifi in all schools etc. 2ish years ago was promised
Anyways, jogging time, bbl :)
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is there a way to verify local_apps=true is working from my lts.conf?
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pycoderf, do you have access to a local terminal on the client?
If not, do:
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
Once you have access there, type getltscfg -a
Shows you which config it loaded exactly.
Also, unless you're running some strange (or really old) version of LTSP, LOCAL_APPS is "true" by default and there's no need to specify it in lts.conf
Hyperbyte: i am running the one fromt he ubuntu repos. also i noticed the ssh timeout doesnt seem to diconnect my idle client
you're never really idle when running X
so how would i best log out idle clients?
pycoderf, are you asking about local apps or idle clients?
Well if localapps work by default then I am not concerned about it and want to focus on idle clients
configure a screensaver to trigger logout
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xprintidle is useful for that indeed.
i am using the mate desktop environment since cinnamon has a lockup issue and the screensaver does not seem to let the user unlock the machine
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