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Channel log from 22 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<neuralis>
jammcq: you pang?
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<bip>
anybody awake and around ?
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<Jenna>
morning guys
06:38
A weird thing is going on with me (my server) . When I type "w" I get info about 1 or 2 users. but when I run fl_teachertool it shown that multple users are online. Anyway when I phycially look at the system I find all the system with the users logged in. Is the "w" cmd screwy or what ?
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<py1n1>
I have a situation here. I can login into kde, but when I launch an app such as konqueror, or firefox, the workstation freezes
06:48
<bip>
r u sure the server and or the client have all the ram they need to have py1n1 ?
06:52
<py1n1>
client has small ram, I am trying to enable USE_NBD_SWAP
06:52
do I need to restart the server or just reboot the client?
06:55
<bip>
mmm
06:55
u neet to start the wap daemon i think
06:55
swap
06:55
i have no first hand expereince py1n1
06:55
but with unix u dont restart the machine
06:55
u just sart the service u need py1n1
06:56
<py1n1>
ok, it got better after I enabled nbd swap, but it still not seamless... the mouse pinter hickups sometimes
06:57
<cliebow>
how much memory? aand which ltsp?
06:57
swap Will be slow
06:58
<py1n1>
ltsp 4.2 workstation is P150 with 49Mb ram
06:58
not a great machine tough
06:58
actually /var/spool/ltspswap/ is empty
06:59
can I run top on the workstation itself?
06:59
<bip>
i dont know ram might be okj
06:59
what sort of server r uu tryin to boot from py1n1 ?
06:59
how much ram it has ?
06:59
and what sort of cpu ?
06:59
disck ? network card ?
06:59
switch or hub ?
07:00
there r many points where your data might get stuck py1n1
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain
07:02
<bip>
good
07:02
how s weather there ?
07:02
sunny ?
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<envite>
Canary islands: rainy
07:05
<cliebow>
py1n1, 49 meg for 4.2 should be ok...i watched one client for three days running a bunch of stuff and it never went over 33 meg...just enough to bork a 32 meg client
07:05
<py1n1>
ok, how can I trace the problem down?
07:05
<cliebow>
try it without swap if using 4.2\..ltsp5 requires more
07:05
<bip>
osorta rainy in italy too envite
07:05
<cliebow>
memory
07:05
sort of rainy in Maine
07:06
<bip>
maine
07:06
<py1n1>
cliebow: remove swap in lts.conf?
07:06
<cliebow>
some schools postponed cause of ice
07:06
<bip>
where the lobsters are ;-)
07:06
<cliebow>
id comment it out and try it..
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<cliebow>
bip:yes..like 50 feet away
07:06
from here
07:06
<bip>
cliebow, i m experiencing deep pain with this:
07:06
<py1n1>
cliebow: #USE_NBD_SWAP=Y is this?
07:06
<cliebow>
drawn butter....
07:06
<bip>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
07:07
<cliebow>
py1n1, give it a whirl
07:07
<bip>
did u keep the # there py1n1 ?
07:07
<py1n1>
cliebow: should I restart any services in the server or just reboot X on the client?
07:07
<cliebow>
just reboot
07:08
<py1n1>
bip: it was uncommented, I commented it out now
07:08
<bip>
ok
07:08
just to be sure
07:08
sorry doing phone support makes me paranoid ;-)
07:08
<cliebow>
the client
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<bip>
cliebow, do u ever had a client booting from local device ?
07:09
<cliebow>
ogra:fwiw i have a new chroot for ppc..anything i can check with it for you?
07:09
never tried it..
07:09
<bip>
ouch
07:10
i m stuck with taht and following the howto at the wiki
07:10
<cliebow>
fwiw: my old macs booted from hard drive..but that is ancient
07:10
<bip>
if somebody has some first hand esperience with that
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<bip>
please ping me ...
07:10
i m goin nut ...
07:10
<ogra>
cliebow, check that sound works ... the whoile sound implementation is new and should see most testing
07:10
<bip>
well i m already nut ...
07:11
<cliebow>
trying to boot from a usb stick?ok..give itr a try
07:11
<bip>
but i m becoming nuttier now :(
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<bip>
well i m stuck at building a initrs i could wriote into a usb stick actually
07:11
a initrd i mean
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<py1n1>
hmm, did not get much better. when I try to load a heavy page, the mouse pointer hickups, and locks up.
07:15
what else can I do?
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<bip>
well ...
07:16
is the server nuscular enuff ?
07:16
how is the nework connection ?
07:16
what sort of gui are u running py1n1 ?
07:17
<py1n1>
kde - 100Mbit nic client/switch/100Mbit nic on server
07:17
will try to change the switch
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<bip>
well wait
07:17
what sort of cpu ram and disk has the server ?
07:18
<py1n1>
server is a dell pentiumD 500Mb ram, ide disk
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<bip>
how much ram does the server have py1n1 ?
07:19
ah ok 500
07:20
which is 512 i guess
07:20
big question ?
07:20
is that machine running something like apache and/ a datbase server ?
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<bip>
ora ctong as fileserver for many nmachines py1n1 ?
07:23
<py1n1>
bip: yes, has apache and mysql
07:23
<bip>
ok
07:23
then ...
07:23
<py1n1>
no ctong (actually I never heard of it)
07:23
<Jenna>
A weird thing is going on with me (my server) . When I type "w" I get info about 1 or 2 users. but when I run fl_teachertool it shown that multple users are online. Anyway when I phycially look at the system I find all the system with the users logged in. Is the "w" cmd screwy or what ?
07:23
<bip>
cfoorget ctong
07:23
it s a typo
07:23
ok
07:23
py1n1, listen
07:23
<py1n1>
listening
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<bip>
i think u might have not enuff ram on the server
07:24
the guidelines are:
07:24
<py1n1>
I just stopped apache and mysql to see
07:24
<bip>
ok
07:24
se if that improves
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<bip>
w/out those it might work
07:24
but if u need to run those py1n1
07:25
think about having 512
07:25
plus about 70-80 for each term py1n1
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<str4nd_>
hi ogra
07:25
<bip>
what other service is offering that machine py1n1 ?
07:26
<cliebow>
ogra:it will be a while..change of plans..gota go to school
07:26
<bip>
samba to a large domain/workgroup maybe ?
07:27
<py1n1>
running apache 2.0.x / mysql 4 / cacti and nagios only.
07:28
it now took longer to lock, but it frozen
07:29
<str4nd_>
ogra: I have a problem, thin clients with matrox vga cards doesn't work (I don't know is it because that card). They boot but ldm doesn't show up.
07:30
<Jenna>
anyone experience the same thing. (i.e. the screwy "w" cmd)
07:30
? i.e.
07:31
<bip>
py1n1, r u sure r u using good ram modules ?
07:32
when linux frezzes i suspect bad harware
07:32
<py1n1>
bip: they are expected to be good, they are dell's original, were expensive
07:32
<bip>
have u added any component lately into that machine
07:32
were how many years ago py1n1 ?
07:32
ram wear out like tires
07:33
how long have thye been used ?
07:33
<py1n1>
not longer than one year
07:33
<bip>
ok worth bein checked
07:33
u might get a free replacement
07:33
anyhow
07:34
have u addedd any new component lately ?
07:34
<py1n1>
will run memtest on then
07:34
<bip>
new video card ?
07:34
new cdisk contriller ?
07:34
<py1n1>
added a new nic, for serving the workstations
07:34
<bip>
tv card ?
07:34
whatever ?
07:34
<py1n1>
no fancy things, just the nic
07:34
<bip>
ok
07:34
<py1n1>
I might try to replace it tough
07:35
<bip>
how many worksrtaions do u ahve connected ?
07:35
wait wait
07:35
i m not the most logical person around ...
07:35
but now i m tryn to be one ;-)
07:36
how many term r connected to that server py1n1 ?
07:36
<py1n1>
a singe lonely first beta testing terminal
07:36
<bip>
poor chap
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<bip>
ok
07:36
i d change nick
07:36
nic
07:36
<py1n1>
ok
07:36
<bip>
not
07:36
nickname ;-)
07:36
test ram
07:36
<str4nd_>
ograa... :(
07:37
<py1n1>
ok, I will
07:37
I gotta leave for a while, brb
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<Tarcisio>
hey bip
07:37
do you help me
07:37
<bip>
then maybe change swittch port and/or whole switch
07:37
well ...
07:37
hard to say Tarcisio
07:37
unless u say what u need help with
07:38
my rmind reading powers are sorely lacking tooday Tarcisio im fraid ;-)
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<Tarcisio>
do you speak portuguese
07:38
<bip>
no
07:38
do u speak italian ?
07:38
<bengoa>
I speak portuguese :-D
07:38
<Tarcisio>
no too
07:39
bengoa
07:39
<bip>
ok talk with bengoa
07:39
but please not here
07:39
<bengoa>
bip, sure.
07:39
<py1n1>
I do speak portuguese, porque?
07:39
<bip>
it wont be fun ...
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<Tarcisio>
beleza
07:39
what?
07:39
<bengoa>
Tarcisio, call me in pvt
07:39
<bip>
for most of us ;-)
07:39
or i might start speakin italian
07:39
and ogra german
07:40
a this will be like babel tower ;-)
07:40
sorry for bein my usual bofh self ,-)
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<Tarcisio>
alou
07:51
<envite>
hola
07:51
<Tarcisio>
do you speak portuguese
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<Tarcisio>
I dont know say my problems an other language
07:53
hey bengoa
07:54
do you pvt me
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<vlt|l>
Hello. I'm trying to run a vncviewer session on a client (yes, directly on the client). When running `startx vncviewer` I get "no program named 'xterm' in PATH". How can I start an X program?
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<Tarcisio>
hey bip
08:16
>:o hey bip
08:17* bip is gone ...if u know everything about booting from local devices ping him later
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<jammcq>
!sbalneav
09:07
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "sbalneav" is Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:07
<sbalneav>
lol
09:07
!monkeys
09:07
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
09:07
<jammcq>
nice little macro :)
09:08
<sbalneav>
So, what's shakin around here?
09:08
<cliebow_>
jammcq:testing new fei sty ppc chroot..for sound
09:11
<jammcq>
cliebow_: cool
09:14
<cliebow_>
ive had it booted..didnt have any music or anything to test with ^_^
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<jammcq>
no reggae ?
09:17
<cliebow_>
Heh..all on the ibook right now..sony hd died
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<SBNet>
blinny!!!!!!
09:34
<Blinny>
So you have 60 PCs split into two rooms. What sort of questions do you have?
09:35
<SBNet>
well, to reduce costs, we are going to cycle out all windows machines for linux machines within 5 years, slowly, we just bought brand new software and stuff and i'm having to break these guys of windows
09:36
<Blinny>
Super.
09:36
<SBNet>
well, i've done my office and most of the other IT guys, also half the servers have been virtualized with vmware and are running FC5, next i'd like to replace one lab with thin clients
09:37
just didn't know how to do it, i've looked into ltsp, but not 100% sure about it
09:37
<Blinny>
If it's a testing/proof-of-concept solution you're after, you can probably roll one of your existing desktops into a "server", just to convince yourself it's possible.
09:38
SBNet: From personal experience, I can say that LTSP is fantastic.
09:39
<cliebow_>
SBNet:it is awesome..and the guys that built it are as well
09:39
<SBNet>
is it easy to setup and understand cause the people i work with hate work, if they can't learn it in a few minutes, they don't want it
09:39
how long of a setup time is it, per machine?
09:39
<gepatino>
SBNet: we're using it since 2003, it's great
09:41
<SBNet>
well, i'm looking for something that i can use so a user logs into a machine and their documents are there and they go to another and viola, they are on that one too, saves us on diskspace as all students have H drives mapped and faculty have as many as 5 mapped drives
09:41
<Blinny>
SBNet: That's how I have my users set up. It's really a matter of how fault-proof and scalable you want to be as to how you set it up.
09:42
SBNet: I personally have one beast server that boots all the clients, authenticates logins, shares /home and serves applications.
09:43
SBNet: Many others have two+ mirrored application servers (in case one breaks), one NFS server doing /home, and one+ handling thin-client boots.
09:43
<SBNet>
well, if i can do this, it will free up a lot of money so we can get new servers, our newest is about 3 months old, we have two of them, then 2 more about 6 months old and the rest are about 3 to 5 years old except for one or two which are over 6 years old
09:44
<Blinny>
SBNet: Right on.
09:44
<SBNet>
half our system depends on 500 mhz machines that are 5+ years old
09:44
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
good morning...
09:44
<Blinny>
SBNet: The two major considerations in LTSP are bandwidth and RAM.
09:44
SBNet: I work for a non-profit; we still have Pentium 1s in use.
09:44
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
have some notes por edubuntu with ltsp 5 ver
09:44
<cliebow_>
SBNet:will they pxeboot?
09:45
<SBNet>
well, the lab will be moved to our new library/it facility were everything will be gigabit network
09:45
i don't know, that's why i'm trying to figure these things out, they are all dell 2400 series pcs
09:46
<Blinny>
SBNet: In the normal configuration, the power/age of the PCs don't really matter. Some folks use 486s just for proof.
09:46
<cliebow_>
check the bios..chance are they will..and that gives you a leg up
09:46
<gepatino>
if the machines are not pxe ready, you can always boot from diskettes
09:47
SBNet: as an example, our print server is a Pentium MMX 200, with 16Mb or RAM
09:47
<SBNet>
well, most of them have a boot from network option
09:47
in the bios
09:47
<gepatino>
and it manages two laserjet printers for the whole office
09:47
<cliebow_>
and easy enough to slap in an etheboot card with prom as well
09:47
<SBNet>
ha ha, we have about 200 printers managed by our 500 mhz printserver
09:48
<Blinny>
SBNet: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome is a great place to begin looking at How It All Works
09:49
<SBNet>
well, i figured that it shouldn't be too hard since all these machines already have a boot from network option in the bios, they have onboard nics
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<Blinny>
SBNet: Some network cards have the capability built-in, some don't (even if the BIOS option exists)
09:50
SBNet: You can buy bootroms really cheaply for most cards, or you can pick up $20 NICs from disklessworkstations.com that will plug into most x86 computer and boot them.
09:51
SBNet: Getting the NICs from disklessworkstations.com is what I did. They Just Work (tm)
09:52
SBNet: Honestly though, you should be putting much more thought into your network topology and server configurations than the clients. The clients are the easy part.. just plug 'em in and turn 'em on.
09:54
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: r u ther?
09:58
<py1n1>
how can I make my serial mouse work?
10:00
<cliebow_>
py1n1, this in ltsp4.2? check the wiki at
10:00
!wiki
10:00
<ltspbot>
cliebow_: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
10:01
<py1n1>
I checked the wiki, search gimmes nothing for serial keyword
10:02
<Blinny>
py1n1: You're looking for creating a custom section of lts.conf to set up that one machine w/ a static IP and mouse options. Then you'll need to change X_MOUSE_DEVICE to something like '/dev/ttyS0'
10:02
<py1n1>
was searching with jump form
10:02
ok, tnx
10:02
<Blinny>
py1n1: Try here from 8.7.4 down: http://www.skolelinux.no/~klaus/newnotater/x2220.html
10:04
<py1n1>
it worked, tnx!
10:04
the workstation entry in the lts.conf should be the same as host defined in /etc/hosts ?
10:04
<SBNet>
well, my idea is to test it now with a few client machines and a server, then up the testing to a class using a boot cd to boot to the linux desktop, our computer science dept. uses linux only and right now they are having to ssh into a linux box
10:06
<cliebow_>
or..set up an ltsp server and pxeboot
10:06
<Blinny>
SBNet: Right on. For testing purposes you may wish to go for an already integrated distro, like k12ltsp.org or edubuntu
10:06
<SBNet>
i'd like to start with one server, and a class. then switch a few more server from windows to linux and then slowly move all clients to linux, but i'm kinda waiting on samba 4 before i do any major changes
10:06
<Blinny>
py1n1: Yes. You can define them by name or IP
10:07
SBNet: When you do eventually have 10+ computers running diskless, you'll get into needing a pretty powerful server.
10:09
<SBNet>
well, i'm looking at testing a single client to a single server, my server would be this computer, dell dimension 2400 2.0 ghz with 1gb ram
10:09
<Blinny>
SBNet: Well, have at it then! (;
10:09
<SBNet>
but i plan on buying a dell 1u rack server with 2 or 4 socket dual core system with around 8 gb ram
10:10
<Blinny>
SBNet: To planfully do so, check out http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
10:10
<SBNet>
i'm trying to virtualize our server room so we go to smaller more powerful servers instead of a bunch of little servers cause our new server room will be really small
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<SBNet>
right now i'm going to replace one of my servers, a new dell server, 2 socket dual core 2.4ghz xeon processor, 2 gb ram and daul 80gb hd
10:12
<py1n1>
tnx Blinny
10:12
<SBNet>
only cost me $2200
10:12
<py1n1>
Blinny: with lts.conf pointing to a serial mouse, the pointer is crazy fast, how could I adjust that?
10:12
<Blinny>
py1n1: No worries mate.
10:13
py1n1: On my FC5 it's in System->Preferences->Mouse
10:13
<bgomes>
How configure Xorg module on ltsp-5/ubuntu_feisty_i386 ? for defaul is vesa, and I am need ati
10:13
by hostname in /opt/ltsp/ubuntu_feisty_i386/etc/lts.conf using XSERVER = ati dont woking
10:14
<Blinny>
py1n1: In order to keep things for that client, you may wish to use the MAC address of the NIC in your lts.conf file so that the settings follow that computer through DHCP address releases and renewals.
10:15
<py1n1>
I fixed an IP to that mac on dhcpd.conf already
10:15
<Blinny>
py1n1: Right on.
10:15
<py1n1>
Blinny: running centos here, and I not used to kde!
10:16
<Blinny>
py1n1: Me neither :(
10:17
bgomes: Does the thin client try to use ati xserver, or is it still using vesa ?
10:17
<bgomes>
Blinny: use ati on xserver, but is using vesa
10:18
I need use ati
10:18
<Blinny>
bgomes: It sounds like the client is not getting that setting at all. Make sure you have a section in lts.conf for that client, using MAC address. (See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf)
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10:20
<bgomes>
Blinny: Using the hostname dont working in ltsp-5?
10:21
<Blinny>
bgomes: It will, but the hostname may change unless you set it static in dhcpd.conf
10:21
bgomes: If you use MAC you don't need to mess w/ dhcpd.conf
10:23
<bgomes>
Blinny: I have in dhcpd.conf fixed-address for my thin client, I will test this with MAC
10:27
Blinny: With the MAC is work, the hostname is not suported on lts.conf in ltsp-5?
10:28
<Blinny>
bgomes: The hostname is supported too.
10:29
<bgomes>
Blinny: here dont working
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<Blinny>
Gotta run!
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11:34
<SBNet>
can i use fedora core 6 for ltsp?
11:36
<bgomes>
SBNet: yes u can!
11:37
<SBNet>
ok
11:38
<bgomes>
SBNet: what version u know to use ltsp ?
11:44
<SBNet>
i know fc5 and fc6, just don't know what or how to setup ltsp for fedora
11:47
<bgomes>
SBNet: version of ltsp ! :)
11:47
<SBNet>
i don't know, new to ltsp
11:47
<bgomes>
!ltsp5
11:47
<ltspbot>
bgomes: "ltsp5" is ltsp5 is The next version of LTSP, and the future of Thin Client computing on GNU/Linux. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
11:47
<bgomes>
!ltsp5status
11:47
<ltspbot>
bgomes: Error: "ltsp5status" is not a valid command.
11:48
<pscheie>
SBNet: k12ltsp is ltsp 4.2 bundled with fc6
11:48
it's all in there already
11:49
<SBNet>
ok
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11:53
<SBNet>
i know this is kinda off topic, but can windows be done like ltsp? i think that would ease a transition to thin clients
11:53
<Lumiere>
SBNet: you can get windows thin clients... they cost a TON of money
11:55
<SBNet>
ohh ok
11:55
<Gad1>
SBNet: most of our customers are on diskless windows
11:55
:)
11:55
so, yes, it can be done
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<SBNet>
can it be done with a windows xp cd? i'm looking to spend no more money to go to thin clients, as most of our machines can network boot
11:57
i'd like to test windows thine clients, then move to ltsp
11:58
<Gad1>
we use ltsp and connect to WTS
11:58
no need for XP CD
11:58
but, you do need Windows Terminal Revices
11:58
er, Services
11:58
(and licenses for production use)
11:58
unfortunately, staying with windows and more money tend to go hand-in-hand ;)
11:59
<cliebow_>
Gadi:windows terminal reversals?
11:59
<Gad1>
cliebow_: zactly
12:00
<pscheie>
Gad1: did you get my message about NCLS?
12:00
<Gad1>
pscheie: I did - so sorry for not responding right away
12:00
I need to coordinate with both wife and company ;)
12:01
any chance I could be booked for Thursday?
12:01
<pscheie>
that's okay; my mail server has been acting funky, so I wanted make sure the message actually arrived
12:01
<Gad1>
Friday usually means I have to stay the weekend, and I'm not so excited to be away from them for that long (especially since my wife is on call that weekend)
12:02
<pscheie>
Well, Thursday is the day we present K12LTSP to 'newcomers', all the school folks we invite
12:02
Friday is for oldcomers, people familiar with LTSP
12:02
<jammcq>
/query Gad1
12:02
oops :)
12:03
<pscheie>
so Friday's agenda is more relevant;
12:03
<Gad1>
well, you do know that LTSP keeps changing
12:03
its prolly new to everybody (me included ;) )
12:03
<pscheie>
me too, that's why I want you to attend ;-)
12:03
<SBNet>
well, the people around here hate change, they would rather die than change, so i figure very small steps, very very small steps
12:03
<pscheie>
tell me all about sound
12:03
<cliebow_>
me too..trying to get time to try the new sound rig in ppc
12:04
<pscheie>
Scott said he'll come down, he usually arrives late Thurs. and we have him speak on Fri.
12:04
<jammcq>
pscheie: i'm mostly sure I'll be there. problem is, I just heard yesterday there's plans for a Desktop Arch meeting in Mt.View for the 15/16 of June
12:04
<Gad1>
well, if scotty's coming...
12:05
<pscheie>
hmm, perhaps we should flip the days around, do advance stuff on Th, newcomer (basic) stuff on Fri
12:06
<jammcq>
hmm
12:06
<pscheie>
I like easy stuff first, tho, so that if they're interested they can come on Friday and get a REAL education
12:06
<SBNet>
anyone got a dvd image of k12ltsp, i don't want 6 cds!!!!!
12:06
<Gad1>
is there an evening session?
12:06
<pscheie>
Thursday evening
12:06
<jammcq>
pscheie: if i'm coming, the friday would still work better for me
12:07
<pscheie>
good, I'd prefer to keep you on Friday.
12:07
<Gad1>
maybe I can come for thurs evening into fri morning
12:07
ill have to check flights
12:07
<pscheie>
Thursday evening's session will likely be at Murray's, Home of the Silver Butter Knife Steak
12:07
<Gad1>
lol
12:07
<pscheie>
as I promised jammcq a better steak than last year's
12:08
<jammcq>
shouldn't be hard
12:08
<Gad1>
steak is important
12:08
<pscheie>
and Murray's is, I think, considered to be Mpls's best steak place
12:08
<jammcq>
mmmm, steak
12:08
<pscheie>
I'm not much of a steak person, more pizza and cheeseburgers
12:09
<jammcq>
pscheie: you just haven't had the right steak yet
12:09
me and scotty can teach you a few things about steak
12:09
<pscheie>
Gad1: For friday morning, we could have you speak first, so you could catch an afternoon flight out
12:09
is Detroit renowned for its steak houses?
12:10
<jammcq>
nope
12:10
<pscheie>
or do you just go without when you're home
12:10
<Gad1>
pscheie: lemme check on flights before you plan
12:10
<jammcq>
there's some decent places here
12:10
<cliebow_>
SBNet:sure you dnt want to go edu??ubuntu
12:10
<SBNet>
well, i like fedora a lot more than ubuntu
12:10
so k12ltsp
12:10* ogra snuffs
12:11
<pscheie>
Gad1: actually, we'd have you speak first anyway, whether you want to or not, on Friday
12:11
<cliebow_>
to each his own..for me half my servers are rh and i HAte messing with em now..
12:11
<ogra>
is this the channel where the smell of fresh steak comes from ?
12:11
<cliebow_>
and malt beer
12:11
<SBNet>
lol
12:11
<pscheie>
SBNet: I made a 'demo' liveCD to show off the apps included in K12LTSP
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<pscheie>
It's based on edubuntu
12:11
!
12:12
Gad1, fix your name--oops, too late ;-)
12:12
<Gadi>
lol
12:12
that feels better
12:13
<pscheie>
jammcq: Murray's is downtown, the college is in a north suburb, a booming part of town
12:13
there may be a better steakhouse out there (I don't live out that way)
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:Heh..i spent an hour figgering out why DBI was borked..only yo find my script had DB!
12:14* Gadi hand cliebow_ a new keyboard (one upon which Coke has never spilled)
12:14
<cliebow_>
got a new set of young eyes handy?
12:14
<pscheie>
ogra: do you build the edubuntu ppc livecd, or does someone else do that?
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12:15
<Gadi>
mm... young eyes....
12:15
<cliebow_>
Hah!
12:15
<Gadi>
pscheie: I believe ppc is a community project for ubuntu - so, I think the answer is no
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12:16
<cliebow_>
it at least is now..not sure how far back..
12:16
<dan__t>
'morning.
12:16
<cliebow_>
ho!
12:16
<pscheie>
I want to build a demo livecd of K12ltsp that will run on ppc
12:16
but don't have a mac to actually test it on
12:16
atm
12:16
<cliebow_>
that could be double-tough
12:16
<dan__t>
cliebow, was it you who was working on that app for VNC control and previews of clients and such?
12:17
<cliebow_>
well my Teachertool is pretty ancient..cbx33 is working on student-control-panel
12:17
and robert arkeletian has fltk_teachertoll(somnething like that)
12:17
<pscheie>
fl_teachertool
12:18
<dan__t>
I see.
12:18
Someone was working on something, and they had screenshots etc etc.
12:18
I suppose I should get VNC working on client machines first, eh? heheh
12:18
<pscheie>
Robert's looking at adding thumbprint screenshots of the desktops
12:18
<dan__t>
Who was Robert?
12:18
<pscheie>
Arkiletian
12:19
high school computer teacher in Vancouver
12:19
<dan__t>
Very cool.
12:19
<pscheie>
writes fl_teachertool
12:19
<dan__t>
Ok, good.
12:19
<pscheie>
it's got monitoring, remote control,
12:19
etc.
12:19
<dan__t>
Well, I suppose I should dabble into VNC a bit first.
12:20
Figure out how to get it working and such.
12:20
<pscheie>
he just added 'spotlight' which allows teacher to grant control over broadcast to a student, forcing student to demo rather than zone out
12:20
fl_teachertool just shows a list of users right now, no snapshots of users desktops
12:21
but I found some pieces for that part that Robert thinks he can use
12:21
he won't get to it until June though
12:21
<dan__t>
No worries.
12:22
<pscheie>
student-control-panel looks similar, from the screenshots I've seen
12:22
<Burgwork>
dan__t: feisty will contain the new student-control-panel, now called thin-client-manager
12:23
http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=208
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<cliebow_>
dan__t:i dont think it will gain you too much to play with vnc..since the new system as i understand depends on vnc2swf..on client..so server side it is shockwave format
12:26
<dan__t>
Interesting.
12:26
Well, uintil that time... heheh
12:26
Ok, well, using the vnc.so method, I keep getting "No password configured for VNC auth". I've verified that the password should be readable.
12:27
<cliebow_>
dan__t..you using this on ubuntu..then?
12:27
<dan__t>
Nosir, FC6.
12:27
I get the connection, I get the prompt
12:28
<cliebow_>
you can have my Teach2 if you want it..uses x11vnc
12:29
<dan__t>
I think I just need to start with the basics first here
12:30
<cliebow_>
here is my writeup from a couple years ago./.
12:32
<dan__t>
I found a couple on the wiki
12:32
good stuff
12:33
I think I'm fscking up something on my side.
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<cliebow_>
im sure we can help you with that...messing it up on your end 8~)
12:46
<dan__t>
haha.
12:46
WEll, I see that my passwd file should be accessable, and readable, by the client
12:46
And it is specified properly in my config builder
12:49
<Burgwork>
jammcq: what was the name of person using knoppix on the 150e again?
13:05
<SBNet>
can i add ltsp support to my current os? without installing it again?
13:07
<arowanaj>
hello! I'm root at the lts "partition", now I get error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot handle TLS data when I do anything. What can I do about that? =)
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<dan__t>
Which distribution, arowanaj ?
13:16
<arowanaj>
edubuntu with tlsp 5
13:17
ltsp
13:17
<dan__t>
Hrm, its a library owned by a libstdc++, but I would say that's rather odd since one would assume that all required elements come with Edubuntu
13:17
Unless you're running something which was not included with Edubuntu?
13:18
<arowanaj>
nope
13:19
omg, I hate this. I see that other ppl had the same problem. But then they are russians och germans
13:19
or italan.. u name it :P
13:21
<dan__t>
heheh
13:21
install libstdc++ I guess.
13:24
<arowanaj>
yes, but I must do it via apt-get and apt-get cant play without libstd =/
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<arowanaj>
haha, this must be a joke or something =)
13:24
maybe when I come back tomorrow this problem will be sholwed
13:24
or something
13:28
omg ltsp is totally unconfigured
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra_: r u there?
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<SBNet>
can i add ltsp to my current distro without reinstalling or anything?
13:40
<sbalneav>
SBNet: yep!
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<SBNet>
well, i'm running fc5 as a virtual server, how do i add ltsp to it?
13:47
<cliebow_>
SBNet: you can add nfs server tftp server..dhcp server?
13:47
<SBNet>
yeah, nfs is on it, tftp is on it, dhcp just has to be installed
13:48
<cliebow_>
so cant you get ltsp-utils downloaded..and run that?
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<SBNet>
haven't tried, the site wasn't very clear on what to do to add it to a current system
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<viking-ice>
Do you know what's common with aircontioners and computers
13:55
<cliebow_>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
13:55
<viking-ice>
they both stop working when you open windows
13:55
<cliebow_>
they both blow..
13:55
<viking-ice>
:-)
13:56
<cliebow_>
at least they do this afternoon
13:57
<arowanaj>
hmm, I think i solved it =)
13:59
Nah ppl, i'm going home for the night.
14:00
<dan__t>
'nite.
14:00
<gepatino>
hi all, maybe this is a faq, but i'm new to this channel. Is there any plan to use vnc, freenx or something like that in ltsp5?
14:01
i mean, you already are stablishing a ssh tunnel... shouldn't this tools save some more bandwith that redirecting all X stuff?
14:02
(... than redirecting... )
14:02
<SBNet>
does ltsp have to run with dual nic cards? i'm looking at setting up a system with about 20 clients, but the clients will have to boot from cdroms for ltsp and if no cd is present, boot from harddrive into windows, as this will be a test, nothing permanent
14:02
<cliebow_>
no
14:03
you have control of your dhcp?
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<SBNet>
yeah, i'm the server admin, i need so that the clients can boot to windows by default and still get internet, and another class can come in, insert their boot cd and boot to the ltsp
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<cliebow_>
mine is a single nic..feeding the whole high school..
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<SBNet>
i'd like a single nic server in my server room with a static ip, then the people with boot cds will boot using that computers ltsp setup, so most users never know its there
14:07
<cliebow_>
sure..
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<cliebow_>
i use alternate dhcp cause winblowes servers out mopst addresses
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<SBNet>
well, we have a windows 2003 server with dc, dns, and ads, and a windows nt4 for dhcp, i want to say, drop this server in my office and hand out boot cds so people that want can boot the ltsp without anyone else really knowing it's there, just to test out the technology
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<cliebow_>
can you globally offer a pxelinux to anyone that is asking?
14:11
ohh boot cd's built from ethereboot could be set to alternate port
14:11
so your ltspserver could serve only clients asking on portt say 1067
14:12
if your windows serve is in the way
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<SBNet>
yeah basically, i want to setup an ltsp server for computer science students as they need access to linux desktops and we only have one for them to use
14:12
with bootcds they can access it from any public computer on campus
14:13
brb smoke a cig
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hey..
14:24
the pen drives mp3player not recognize at edubuntu
14:24
any idea?
14:24
to especifics devices?
14:25
alguien activo?
14:25
Gadi: estas?
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<dan__t>
hm
15:51
what to do, what to do, with 4k domains
15:53
<envite>
??
15:56
<dan__t>
Just trying to think of what to do with all these domains heh
15:56
<envite>
domains?
15:57
<dan__t>
domain names
15:57
<envite>
I'm lost
15:57
<dan__t>
I have 4,000 domain names that I need to do something with, quick.
15:58
<envite>
huh
15:58
bought? administering?
15:58
<dan__t>
our company owns just under 20k domains, 4k of which right now are doing absolutely nothing. they're already paid for, get mad traffic, and need to be makine me some money right now.
15:58
I'm thinking about parking them with sedo
16:03
<envite>
hmmmm
16:03
put their nameservers at 0.0.0.0 at registrar
16:03
and forget them :)
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<dan__t>
heh.
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<jamiejcumb_>
Any tell me to load sound modules in feisty is it MOUDLE_01 ="sb blar" or SOUND_MODULE = "sb blar"
16:31
trying to load sound blaster modules!
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<dan__t>
er, I don't see any reference to SOUND_MODULE
16:38
I see MODULE_01 through MODULE_10
16:38
There are good examples in lts.conf.readme
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<jamiejcumb_>
I tried MODULE_01 = "sb esstype=1869 io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" That file does is not there on feisty!!!
16:41
<Fosforo>
someone sugests a good thinclient with linux compatible sound card and +/- 300Mhz with 64Mb RAM ?
16:41
need to buy some
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<dan__t>
HP had some good thin clients, Fosforo.
16:42
I forget the product line name
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<Fosforo>
dan__t: hmmm thanks.. i'll research there
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<dan__t>
jamiejcumb_, if you did read the example, you'd see that there are no quotes.
16:42
Give that a try.
16:42
<jamiejcumb_>
Running 450Mhz SSF with 128MB RAM. Would be nice to get the module working as thats is what it is there for.
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<dan__t>
Fosforo, http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/sm/WF04a/12132708-12133552-12133552-12133552-12133560.html
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<jamiejcumb_>
dan__t I'll try thanks.
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<dan__t>
hmmm
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<jammcq>
brb
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<jammcq>
did I miss anything ?
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<dtrask>
nope
19:09
LOL
19:09
<jammcq>
hmm, slow day
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<dtrask>
gtg....time to head home....I might get back on at home....cya l8tr
19:10
<jammcq>
ciao
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<cliebow>
jammcq:hear anything from eric h re fedora muekow?
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<jammcq>
hmm, nope
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<monteslu>
when does non-muekow get deprecated?
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<cliebow>
monteslu: i dont think it does for quite a while..til muekow catches all the way up
19:37
<monteslu>
oh, I thought it was all done since the last couple ubuntu releases. But I'm still using k12ltsp/fc6
19:37
<jammcq>
nope, lots of work still needs to be done
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<PMantis>
Anyone know a way to watch live each process that's created? Like tcpdump for process creation?
21:50
<jammcq>
hmm, never heard of anything to do that
21:52
<PMantis>
My asterisk server keeps reporting "UNIX" connections connecting and disconnecting over and over.
21:55
I think that's a socket connection, not TCP... so thought I could get a process id and binary name... perhaps determine what's calling it.
21:56
<jammcq>
well, you could turn on process accounting
21:56
and get a report of every process that gets created
21:56
<PMantis>
Oooh
21:56
<jammcq>
it's been many years since I had to use that
21:57* PMantis googles
21:57
<PMantis>
Thanks
21:58
lol
21:58
A Linux kernel version greater than or equal to version 1.3.73 is required
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<jammcq>
hmm
21:58
seems doable
21:58
<PMantis>
That's quite an upgrade for me though. :)
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<PMantis>
hmm, problem gone now... stopping, killing all related processes, restarting.
22:12
<mistik1>
WoW, was it really only 1995 that we were using the 1.3.x series of kernels
22:12
<jammcq>
seems like yesterday
22:12* mistik1 has a nostalgic feeling
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<mistik1>
I know
22:13
<PMantis>
heh
22:13
<mistik1>
jammcq: I sure dont miss some of those days though
22:14
I remember having to patch the kernel to support my NIC back then
22:14* vagrantc didn't join till the 2.0 bandwagon
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<mistik1>
Scary stuff for me a very shiney newbie at the time
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<vagrantc>
though my first kernel was a 1.0 or 0.9 or something.
22:16
<mistik1>
Mine was 1995 Slackware 2.3 kernel 1.2.8
22:17* PMantis remembers his first Linux experience...
22:17
<mistik1>
that was what libc-4.x and XFree86 3.1.1
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<PMantis>
I think it was ver 6.2 of RedHat
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<mistik1>
ewww
22:17
6.2 was horrible
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<PMantis>
tried to dualboot ... was a bear even with the national RedHat installation helpdesk sitting next to me
22:18
I think that was '98 or '99
22:18
It just came out and they gave me a boxed set.
22:19
<mistik1>
I was lucky because my first install I was not concerned in the least about dual booting I had my fill of windows by then
22:19
<PMantis>
heh
22:19
<mistik1>
I was ready to run anything *anything* but windows
22:19
I was running OS/2 for about 8 months or so by that time
22:20* vagrantc remembers using fips to split a dos partition and installing some micro distro of linux that really couldn't do much of anything except boot and run bash
22:20
<PMantis>
h, I ran OS/2 for a while, too.
22:20
heheh
22:20
vagrantc, me too. :)
22:20
Except the micro linux part
22:20
<mistik1>
Nostalgia time in #ltsp
22:21
<PMantis>
quick, change the topic!
22:21
<mistik1>
Come on jammcq Lets hear your story ;)
22:21
<PMantis>
Hehe
22:21
<jammcq>
heh
22:21
my first was Caldera 2.0
22:21
<PMantis>
He started when Linus was still in college.
22:21
<mistik1>
hehe
22:21* vagrantc had a phase of loving linuxmall's 6-12 packs of distro CDs of varying distros
22:21
<jammcq>
well, been using Unix since 85
22:22
<mistik1>
I though he helped Linus write it
22:23
<PMantis>
The first linux box that I actually kept in "production" here was a redhat iptables firewall... somewhere around 2001 or 2002.
22:24
and dropped my last "production" windoze unit in 2004... you guys remember that. hehe
22:24
<mistik1>
PMantis: You have come far in that time my friend
22:25
I was meeting Jim on 2000 and looking to run this thing I heard about called LTSP
22:25
*in
22:25
<PMantis>
Heh
22:25
<jammcq>
that was back when Linux world was fun
22:25
<mistik1>
yea
22:25* vagrantc stumbled in to freegeek in late 2000
22:26
<vagrantc>
and i wouldn't probably be here today had i not done that
22:26
<mistik1>
huray for freegeek ;)
22:26
<PMantis>
mistik1, It feels like it's been forever, and a slow painful journey to become less Linux dumb... but that's all perspective. Thanks!
22:26* vagrantc makes freegeek sound like a parent or something
22:27
<mistik1>
hehe
22:27
<PMantis>
I still have lots to learn
22:27
<jammcq>
so do I
22:27
every day
22:28
<mistik1>
Dont we all
22:28
<PMantis>
And that, my friend, is the only attitude that lets you learn.
22:28
as much as jammcq knows, he's still humble :)
22:29
<mistik1>
That and the fact that Linux forces you to either learn or go away
22:29
<PMantis>
he
22:29
<vagrantc>
well, you can learn without the attitude, it's just more painful.
22:29
<mistik1>
hehe
22:29
<PMantis>
true
22:29
<mistik1>
indeed
22:30
<PMantis>
mistik1, oh, BTW... my first SF project: http://sourceforge.net/hours2ledger
22:30
jammcq, contributed to that.
22:31
<mistik1>
Excellent!
22:31
<PMantis>
Hmmmm
22:31
link bad
22:32
<mistik1>
http://sourceforge.net/projects/hours2ledger/
22:32
<PMantis>
Yeah, there you go.
22:33
I need to have that project reference another project... preferably include the files for download within my project.
22:33
I need to figure out SVN, too.
22:34
<mistik1>
you nad me both
22:34
I was thinking of using git for my projects though
22:35* vagrantc is a bzr junkie
22:36
<mistik1>
Lately it seems every project is using a different RCS system these days
22:36
It get rather trying
22:37
<vagrantc>
that's why there's projects to sync between VCS systems ! :)
22:37
<mistik1>
uGh!
22:38
That's all we need Yet another program to learn
22:38
<PMantis>
heheh
22:38
<vagrantc>
but yeah, the proliferation of rcs/vcs systems is getting a little crazy. it wasn't long ago *most* people just used cvs.
22:38
<mistik1>
exactly
22:38
<PMantis>
Search sourceforge or freshmeat for "yet another"
22:38
<mistik1>
There must be 100 of them things now
22:39
Everyone wants to write thier own
22:39
<vagrantc>
but i honestly can't blame people ... overall, i really like bzr, but it's missing a few features that tempt me to look at others
22:39
svn is a decent replacement to work around the shortcomings of cvs.
22:39
<mistik1>
I'm just pissed that I have to maintain so many binaries just to checkup snapshots of things I need
22:40
bzr, svn, cvs, git, and on and on ..................
22:40* vagrantc is less concerned about the binaries than the syntaxes
22:40
<mistik1>
Well that's just it
22:41
Every one means new syntax
22:41
<vagrantc>
you just need a single command that does the best approximate guess of what you're trying to do :)
22:42
<PMantis>
./mb
22:42
(master binary)
22:42
<vagrantc>
probably wouldn't be too hard for basic operations like "get a copy of the latest source from here"
22:42
<mistik1>
lol
22:43
and PMantis starts a new project
22:43
<PMantis>
./mb checkout latest source where bugs reported are less than 50, and no bugs found in SIP
22:44
there, freeform syntax :)
22:44* vagrantc is testing qemu-system-x86_64 to try amd64 LTSP on an i386
22:44
<PMantis>
Whoah
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<vagrantc>
i've got the multi-arch debian-installer CDs with custom hooks to automatically install ltsp and stuff
22:46
<mistik1>
vagrantc: The docs siad I could not use qemu on my x86_64 machine I had to use qemu-system-x86_64 and I forgot all about it this week and was running just qemu about 100 times
22:47
suffice to say the docs lied cause it works perfectly
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<PMantis>
LOL: http://badvista.fsf.org/
22:47* vagrantc doesn't have any non-virtual x86_64 hardware
22:48* mistik1 doesn't have any non-virtual x86 hardware ;)
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23:35
<PMantis>
hey mistik1, perl monger....
23:36
Bareword "decode_base64" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
23:36* PMantis scratches head
23:36
<mistik1>
You must mean Gadi or jammcq
23:36
<PMantis>
heh
23:36
daddy went to bed
23:37
Google not helping
23:38
<mistik1>
what does your code look like
23:39
<PMantis>
require MIME::Base64;
23:39
MIME::Base64->import(decode_base64);
23:39
with use strict, it complains, and I don't know what a bareword is
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23:41
<mistik1>
With perl prolly something undefined
23:41
<PMantis>
Ahhh
23:41
I added quotes
23:41
require MIME::Base64;
23:41
MIME::Base64->import(decode_base64);
23:41
Hrmm
23:42
MIME::Base64->import("decode_base64");
23:42
there
23:42
works with strict now :)
23:42
<mistik1>
hehe
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23:48
<mistik1>
ARGH!!!!
23:48
bastards
23:48
busybox "read" sucks
23:49
Shit now I know why things were blowing up on me
23:50* mistik1 makes note to always code with a dummy variable when using busybox read
23:50
<PMantis>
heh
23:50
At least you know why now!!
23:50
<mistik1>
PMantis: type read at a prompt
23:51
<PMantis>
Yeah, reads input
23:51
<mistik1>
well do that in busybox it errors out
23:52
<PMantis>
Ugh
23:58
<mistik1>
yea
23:58
You MUST set a var with busybox