IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 July 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<warren>
japerry: what distro were you again?
01:29
<cyberorg>
warren, opensuse
01:35
<johnny>
no cyberorg
01:35
we had no cyberorg
01:35
warren, wtf are you doing up
01:36
and if up.. what are you doing at your computer
01:36
<warren>
johnny: 11:34pm?
01:36
<cyberorg>
johnny, hi
01:36
<johnny>
yes.. you should be away , or asleep, not at your computer :)
01:36
<warren>
johnny: I'm blogging about today's events and preparing code for tomorrow
01:36* johnny makes a note to check for it
01:36
<warren>
johnny: I really want to get as much done during the hackfest as possible and let other people know what is going on.
01:36
<cyberorg>
i had a very good first day at the hackfest :)
01:37
<johnny>
i didn't know some of the people.. missed them
01:37
<cyberorg>
got USB stick system running
01:37
<johnny>
but you weren't there
01:37
<cyberorg>
today i'll work on live CD
01:37
<johnny>
:)
01:37
<warren>
live CD?
01:37
<johnny>
warren, donnie and i ran into trouble , he had an issue i couldn't duplicate
01:37
<cyberorg>
warren, yes, live ltsp5 usb stick, now live ltsp5 CD :)
01:38
<warren>
cyberorg: ah, I got that working a week ago.
01:38
<johnny>
hopefully he'll figure it out
01:38
<warren>
johnny: what kind of issue?
01:38
<cyberorg>
warren, cool, ill get that done today
01:38
<johnny>
we use something called genkernel to build our kernel and initramfs
01:38
when that initramfs section ran, it failed when patching busybox
01:39
i've never seen such a thing on my x86 or amd64 system
01:39
i even built the entire kernel to try to figure it out
01:39
so you have openssh 5.1 in fedora warren ?
01:39
<warren>
johnny: sort of
01:39
johnny: openssh 5.1 is in Fedora 10 alpha, and we're testing it for Fedora 9 updates now.
01:39
<johnny>
aha
01:40
one day i'll try fedora again
01:40
haven't tried anything redhat since redhat 5
01:40
RPM HELL
01:40
<warren>
"RPM Hell" kind of went away around RH7.3
01:40
we didn't have an apt-like thing until then
01:40
<johnny>
for my own usage that is.. i've had to mess with a few servers, but nothing serious enough to say i've used it really
01:41
i couldn't easily find ejabberd 2.0.0 packages for rhel or centos
01:41
a few months ago when i tried, i ended up using their binaries
01:41
<warren>
did you try EPEL?
01:42
http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/epel/5/i386/
01:42
<johnny>
uhmm.. i can use that with centos?
01:42
<warren>
it appears that EPEL has ejabbered
01:42
<johnny>
it does now!
01:42
<warren>
johnny: EPEL is the official repository of stuff for RHEL5 and CentOS5
01:42
<johnny>
it didn't have ejabberd 2.0.x
01:42
only 1.4
01:43
<warren>
EPEL is only as good as the contributors...
01:43
johnny: also EPEL has a roughly 6 month release schedule
01:43
<johnny>
uggh.. that sucks when you want to use bleeding edge software
01:43
as i tend to require :(
01:43
<warren>
johnny: a version upgrade like that might have been in the testing repository in preparation for the next cycle
01:44
johnny: so the 2.0.x might have been there months ago
01:44
well, not here, but in the testing repo
01:44
johnny: the EPEL folks try to be VERY cautious
01:44
<johnny>
yeah.. i tend to always be just beyond that :)
01:45
so.. what did vagrant end up eating for dinner?
01:45
did you notice?
01:45
i hope we can go someplace more veggie friendly tomorrow
01:45
<warren>
johnny: yeah, it appears 2.0.0 hit EPEL in Feb 23rd
01:45
johnny: he ate with us at the brazilian restaurant
01:45
johnny: he ate from the buffet
01:48
<johnny>
i'll come out with you guys tomorrow, i just had some paid work to take care of today
01:48
which is also why i was late
01:48
i think my "boss" is upset with me for taking time away from him :)
01:49
considering it is hard to relate ltsp to web development directly
01:49
if you ever end up in baltimore tho.. you can see my tiny little ltsp install
01:50
i must not have checked EPEL then.. musta been some other repository
01:51
repositories*
01:52
quite the motley crew we have going on at the hackfest
01:53
<cyberorg>
warren, you have lts.conf served over tftp?
01:53
<warren>
cyberorg: yes
01:54
cyberorg: all the code that does it for fedora is in ltsp-trunk
01:54
<cyberorg>
warren, and ssh_known_hosts?
01:54
<warren>
no
01:54
<johnny>
cyberorg, warren does it in a different place than ubuntu/debian
01:54
<cyberorg>
you should have that over tftp too
01:54
<warren>
cyberorg: there is some disagreement about that.
01:54
<cyberorg>
that makes the image server independent
01:55
<johnny>
they both do it in the initramfs, warren does it after
01:55
<warren>
cyberorg: I will likely do something like it soon
01:55
<cyberorg>
that is the reason i have been able to distribute prebuilt image rpms
01:55
<johnny>
cyberorg, ltsp-update-sshkeys could do it..
01:55
<cyberorg>
if everyone does that way, live CD and usb would work on any ltsp5 server
01:55
<warren>
I do have the shared goal of making a server independent image.
01:55
<cyberorg>
ah and /etc/hosts file too
01:56
<warren>
however I disagree about the implementation
01:56
cyberorg: our /etc/hosts is generated on the fly, again a little different
01:56
<johnny>
is that on the hackfest agenda?
01:56
<cyberorg>
warren, includes entire subnet?
01:56
<johnny>
i'm kinda wondering if we're going to spend most of the time on localapps
01:56
<warren>
cyberorg: yes.
01:57
johnny: local apps is pretty damn important
01:57
these other isssues are relatively easy by comparison
01:57
bring them up tomorrow if they are important to you
01:57
perhaps others have ideas
01:57
<cyberorg>
warren, it automatically puts the right ip addresses from the one it gets from dhcpd? cool i'll have a look at that
01:57
<johnny>
no.. localapps is most important to me
01:57
<warren>
cyberorg: yes
01:58
<cyberorg>
is it in one of the init scripts?
01:58
<johnny>
finding a way for dbus/hal to work over the network together would be nice
01:58
<warren>
not sure what you mean there
01:58
<johnny>
so the local dbus and hal could somehow merge with the remote dbus/hal
01:58
<warren>
neither dbus nor hal were designed to go over the networ
01:58
network
01:59
I put a copy of the raw notes from today here https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LTSPHackfestPortland2008
01:59
I have trouble using the ltsp.org wiki
01:59
<johnny>
really?
01:59
<warren>
It kept being inaccessible today, and it even times out now
01:59
<johnny>
ouch
01:59
<cyberorg>
hey count my attendance over the wire :)
01:59
<johnny>
i wonder who hosts ltsp.org
02:00
<cyberorg>
jammacq?
02:00
<johnny>
he might pay for it
02:00
but i doubt he hosts is
02:00
it*
02:00
altho it is possible
02:01
<cyberorg>
warren, while you guys are hacking away ldm, would it be possible to offer list of servers available that user can select?
02:02
<warren>
cyberorg: please write to the list, that's best you can do while everyone is busy here
02:02
cyberorg: I thought ldm already had something like that though, but only person who uses it is francis
02:02
cyberorg: he has some optional code that hooks into it that was never released AFAIK
02:03
<johnny>
it is too bad francis isn't there
02:03
he helped me fix an ldm bug once
02:03
<cyberorg>
warren, is there a guest account that i can use to edit the wiki?
02:03
<johnny>
only on the ltsp wiki.. but warren says it is no good :)
02:04
<warren>
the k12linux wiki needs fedora accounts to edit
02:04
<cyberorg>
i have an account on ltsp.org
02:04
<warren>
I only put a copy of the notes there for myself to link to
02:04
the official copy can go up elsewhere later
02:04
<johnny>
cyberorg, we'll get it on the ltsp wiki soon
02:05
<cyberorg>
ok, will add to that
02:05
<johnny>
warren, .. now i remember the problem :) we were using 4.2.. not 5 :)
02:06
one of those managed hosted things..
02:07
<warren>
I'm looking at some content on ltsp.org and it is wildly inaccurate
02:07
<johnny>
err maybe 4.5.. i'm just gonna get a vm for it, so i don't have to deal with mixing up with the silly cpanel
02:07
warren, yes it is, that's something we should put on the agenda for the future
02:08
<warren>
more planning IMHO is not very useful... this is just something I and others need to just do
02:08
<johnny>
planning? no.. just so we don't forget.
02:08
<warren>
for example the download page ... not very useful to users the way it describes things
02:08
users really shouldn't be downloading anything on that page
02:08
they should go straight to a distro's own instructions
02:09
<johnny>
i'm going to work on that, once donnie gets proper ltsp system setup
02:10
i am unable to build on this machine while doing much else.. kinda too slow
02:10
i should get a new laptop eventually
02:11* warren finds the entire notion of building everything you install to be misguided, but OK...
02:12* cyberorg feels the same way about users having to build ltsp chroot :)
02:12
<warren>
http://wtogami.livejournal.com/26811.html
02:16
<cyberorg>
johnny, you say i wan't there? look at the guy on the extreme right
02:16
and this: http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/ThatSMe
02:20
<japerry>
warren, cyberorg: I was doing OpenSUSE testing today -- managed to get all of the kiwi-ltsp packages updated and tested
02:20
<cyberorg>
how did it go?
02:20
<japerry>
cyberorg: it looks like everything except keymap + nbd connections are fixed.
02:21
<warren>
quite frankly, am I supposed to care what you do? You never push anything usable to ltsp upstream.
02:21
<japerry>
cyberorg: but after doing oscon this week, I'm really tired and will be heading back home tomorrow -- I've been i portland for 10 days now
02:21
<warren>
It is like you folks work on an entirely separate implementation of LTSP
02:21
which is fine if that's what you want to do
02:22
<cyberorg>
warren, it is just putting to gather ltsp5 stuff in a way that works on opensuse without any hassle
02:22
we dont change anything to ltsp upstream code
02:22
<japerry>
warren: cyberorg and zonker have both talked about making kiwi available for other distros, using the opensuse build service. but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that
02:23
<warren>
for good reason
02:23
because you are missing the point
02:23* japerry is not a c-programmer
02:24
<cyberorg>
warren, only good reason i found was you are not interested in what/how other distros approach it :)
02:24
<warren>
Oh, I'm very much interested in what Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu are doing, because they are directly contributing to improvement of the shared code upstream.
02:25
<cyberorg>
warren, well we dont have anyone with that kind of skills on our team, only thing i can do is integrate upstream work in opensuse
02:27
<japerry>
warren: there is value in what the opensuse project is doing to get a good imaging/build system for LTSP. But the build system is going to be somewhat specific per distro, and would need individual distros to test the build system
02:27
warren: SoC project: http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP should also help in this process
02:28
<warren>
japerry: build system for what?
02:28
<japerry>
a system to easily create LTSP images, using KIWI
02:29
<warren>
I'd say that the other distros are not interested in relying on opensuse to make images for them.
02:30
<japerry>
KIWI is open source, supposedly independent of OpenSUSE (cyberorg confirm?)
02:30
http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI
02:31
<cyberorg>
warren, dude i just dont like you attitude as an "upstream developer" you should be interested in technology not politics
02:31
<warren>
I find opensuse's idea that everyone else should be happy about using their services to be a bit of strange and completely misguided politicis.
02:32
Now if you prove me wrong one day, then power to you.
02:32
but given that even the others seem to have no interest in what you are doing...
02:35
<cyberorg>
warren, dont try to make what you believe to be true for "others" :) i am just not interested in politics, if i can get ltsp5 in a easily available way, i've done my job
02:35
<warren>
Then good for you.
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<warren>
I find it annoying however that you suggest that I do something in a certain way, when I see almost no contributions from you to upstream.
02:36
<cyberorg>
every time i've tried to contribute anything all i've heard from you is "not interested", you feel pressured when something is suggested
02:37
<warren>
let's not generalize, please give an exact example
02:37
<japerry>
warren: not interested in the Easy-LTSP configuration tool?
02:37
<warren>
<japerry> warren: cyberorg and zonker have both talked about making kiwi available for other distros, using the opensuse build service. but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that
02:38
I'm not interested in the opensuse build service.
02:38
<japerry>
warren: thats fine, dont need it
02:38
<warren>
I suppose concepts of Easy-LTSP may be of interest one day, but I would have to reimplement them in python or something because I will not add more dependencies to Mono.
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<warren>
and it is primarily technical reasons why I wont rely on Mono
02:41
<cyberorg>
warren, fine, i understand you may have your reasons, lets get on with our tasks
02:41
<warren>
right
02:42
<cyberorg>
please be more "open" we are all here to serve community, novell/suse does not pay me to integrate ltsp for their users
02:43
<warren>
I think we have different ideas of what open means.
02:43
I only expressed that I consider some of the kiwi approaches to be misguided.
02:43
and I am annoyed that we are not seeing contributions coming from KIWI to upstream
02:43
<cyberorg>
warren, i did not need to change anything upstream, i works just the way it is for me, nothing from me to add there
02:44
<warren>
hmm
02:44
I find that hard to believe given how much that is still broken here
02:44
but anyway
02:44
<cyberorg>
warren, you should try it out some time
02:46
<johnny>
btw.. i don't know C
02:46
and yet i still ported ltsp to gentoo
02:46
and will have code committed directly to the upstream source
02:46
<cyberorg>
johnny, yeah, same here ;)
02:47
<johnny>
because i followed the coding style and plugin system of ltsp
02:47
<cyberorg>
johnny, suse plugin is upstream
02:47
<johnny>
instead of using other stuff
02:47
i don't know who else has something like kiwi for their distro
02:48
but our package manager is our own version i guess
02:48
so kiwi would never really be feasible except as a distributed compiling host
02:48
warren, we'll definitely be providing some sort of binary support for the chroot
02:49
<cyberorg>
johnny, kiwi should work with little work on any distro that supports smart
02:49
<johnny>
but it should build from scratch as well
02:49
<warren>
smart?
02:49
<johnny>
only smart i know of, is hard drive SMART
02:49
<cyberorg>
the project is not even hosted on novell server http://kiwi.berlios.de/
02:50
kiwi is the engine behind our work, and also for something like this http://studio.suse.com/
02:51
you would be surprised, support for native package manager "zypper" was added much later, i still use smart for creating ltsp images
02:52
<johnny>
i try not to use tools that mention the distro
02:52
you should remove all references to open suse in the main subject title if you want it to sound independent
02:52
otherwise nobody will ever guess
02:52
keep it mentioned as a supported distro of course
02:52
<cyberorg>
johnny, i am not kiwi developer :)
02:53
<johnny>
well it is one reaosn why kiwi is not well received
02:53
it looks too tied, even if it isn't
02:55* warren looking at Kiwi's fedora-9 binaries and wonders why it replaces fedora components with broken alternatives
02:56
<warren>
createrepo, repoview, xdg-utils are ones that I recognize.
02:56
<Ryan52>
I was wrong about the autologin/guestlogin stuff still working...it's broken...my dev environment was messed up, and I was still using the old version. Here's a branch that fixes it, if anybody with commit access wants to looks at it and commit: http://rsn.no-ip.org:8000/~ryan52/ltsp/fix-guest-login
02:57
<warren>
Ryan52: looking...
02:58
<cyberorg>
warren, may be because the packager does not know fedora as well :)
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<warren>
Ryan52: so regular logins are OK too?
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<warren>
Ryan52: i'll push your changes.
03:02
<Ryan52>
okay. regular login works if your password is right...I'm working on that problem next.
03:06
<warren>
Ryan52: it does behave weird if your password is wrong, but that's nothing new...,
03:06
Ryan52: that's part of the list of bugs we want to fix
03:08
<Ryan52>
no, this is just the 'Verifying password. Please wait' message and a blinking cursor.
03:11
<warren>
ok, that sounds different...
03:12
Ryan52: here it gets stuck for a while then restarts X
03:14
<Ryan52>
warren: what does your ldm.log say after failed login? Mine says "expect saw: asdf@192.168.1.1's password:". I haven't looked at that part of the code, so I don't know if that's good or bad...
03:14
<warren>
Ryan52: hold, i'll get that
03:14
<Ryan52>
oh, wait something finally happen...
03:15
ssh's help message (the thingy you get when you use incorrect arguements...) is in the middle of ldm where the messages usually are...
03:15
<warren>
Ryan52: arne't you up pretty late?
03:16
<Ryan52>
no. I usually go to sleep around 2, give or take an hour...
03:16
<warren>
Ryan52: take it from me. I've stayed up really late hacking when I was your age. I don't think my life is better off because of it. =)
03:16
some balance in life and good rest really helps..
03:17
Ryan52: take up guitar... seems to be a great stress relief and fun thing to do for other LTSP hackers. =)
03:17
ah, wrong password, and it says
03:17
Verifying password. Please wait.
03:17
and sits there...
03:18
<Ryan52>
ah. mine finally responded with ldm saying 'No response from server...restarting' and it restarted.
03:18
<warren>
yeah, I see "expect saw ......."
03:18
same thing here apparently
03:18
Ryan52: this isn't new behavior
03:18
Ryan52: this is one of the things we aim to fix on the list.
03:19
<Ryan52>
oh, okay, good.
03:19
well, good that it's not a regression, bad that that happens that way...
03:19
<warren>
yes
03:19
Ryan52: finishing the launch of X move thing will be the first step to fix this.
03:20
Ryan52: move X launch to the screen.d/ldm script, and implement the while loop in ldm as Gadi discussed
03:20
Ryan52: then it will become easier to handle failure cases like wrong password
03:20
<Ryan52>
ya.
03:21
<warren>
hmm, that also means I need to reimplement the new keyboard setting part.
03:21
I might keep it as C but in its own binary simply because it is faster this way.
03:21
faster than running a new sh interpreter to run a shell script
03:21
and it is already written in C now.
03:22
ok, heading to sleep...
03:22
<Ryan52>
cya tomorrow.
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<mnemoc>
hi, two slightly on-topic questions. do you know if there is anything to mount nbd using `mount` yet? and, what do you recommend nbd.sf.o or enbd or another?
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<acp_>
Hi is there other billing system for internet cafe that I could use in my ltsp setup, I'm looking at ltsp_phpSiCafe-0.2.0 is there other?
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<stgraber>
ogra: already awake ? isn't it like 6am ?
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<ogra>
stgraber, yeah, i'm not sleeping well atm
10:42
to many timezone changes ...
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<ogra>
warren, when are you guys heading out ?
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<warren_>
ogra: he can pick you up about 10am
11:46
<ogra>
great
11:46* ogra is bored ... awake since 6am
11:49
<ogra>
and i cant really get scotties changes to work
11:49
i dont even see login attempts on the server
11:49
really weird
11:50
<laga>
ogra: planning an upload to hardy aafter the hackfest?
11:51
<ogra>
to hardy ?
11:51
not really, no
11:51
do you have any open SRU bugs ?
11:51
<laga>
no. but i can create one. ;)
11:52
boils down to adding one line to the lts.conf generated by the mythbuntu-diskless plugin, so no problem. i'm currently doing some other SRUs because i decided i want hardy to be in excellent shape
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<ogra>
well, if you need an SRU i'll definately do an upload indeed, but there is nothing waiting on my side atm
11:56* ogra goes to wait for eric ... bbl
12:01
<warren_>
ogra: we're running behind schedule
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<johnny>
i'm running behind schedule too, one last bit of paid work
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<dberkholz>
johnny: saved ya a chair here
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<sbalneav>
Boo
13:09
<johnny>
Boo
13:09
<stgraber>
hey sbalneav
13:10
<johnny>
sadly, i have not appeared, hopefully i can make it there by 1
13:10
dberkholz, you about?
13:11
dberkholz has a cloak, so i don't know where he is :)
13:14
<dberkholz>
johnny: yeah i'm here
13:14
johnny: that's how i saved you the chair
13:14
<johnny>
dberkholz, did you look into that busybox patch?
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if not,
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just uncomment skip build_kernel for now
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<dberkholz>
johnny: i added ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" to the quickstart profile, and i'm trying with that
13:19
<sbalneav>
Hey stgraber
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<dberkholz>
hmmm.
13:20
still getting the same weird error: * ERROR: could not apply patch /usr/share/genkernel/patches/busybox/1.7.4/1.7.4-ash-timeout.diff for busybox-1.7.4
13:20
works outside the ltsp build
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<johnny>
i have no idea .. considering i couldn't replicate
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<dberkholz>
johnny: are you building for 32bit on 64bit?
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<johnny>
not on this machine
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just 32bit for 32bit
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<dberkholz>
i'm not sure exactly how that would be related, but i guess it could..
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<johnny>
on my home machine i was able to build 32 on 64
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<dberkholz>
ok, so you have tested it and it worked.
13:24
<johnny>
on the genkernel 3.4.10
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<johnny>
or wait.. maybe it was the rc
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one of em :)
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<dberkholz>
hmm. i'm gonna try to reproduce by hand in the stage3.
13:26
<jammcq>
vagrantc: so.... should I just remove all those old tarballs ?
13:26
<johnny>
my friend joe had a spare computer i was trying to use , but his cdrom was having serious troubles
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he did get a pcbsd install to work, but the gentoo one kept spouting buffer i/o errors
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altho mine was of course.. burned, and the pcbsd one was pressed
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<dberkholz>
johnny: set up a gentoo chroot inside?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: at least remove the debian ones
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jammcq: i suspect ogra wants the ubuntu ones removed
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<johnny>
i was going to do it that way, but his disk was all encrypted, couldn't easily repartition, would have to blow it all away and start over
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ldm-debian-packaging
13:28
sbalneav: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ldm/ldm-debian-packaging
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<jammcq>
ogra: should I remove the old Ubuntu LTSP-5 tarball images from the wiki?
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<ogra>
jammcq, yes please, you earn a free beer per tarball :)
13:30
<jammcq>
hmm :)
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<johnny>
that's more than 1 beer at least!
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<johnny>
some dodgy wifi :(
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<dberkholz>
johnny: found the problem. it's related to my pam setup
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johnny: i'm using a module called pam_mktemp (USE=mktemp on pambase), and that directory doesn't get created in the chroot, but $TMP is set to use it
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<johnny>
aha
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<dberkholz>
(where "that directory" is /tmp/.private/donnie/)
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pam_mktemp provides separate tmp locations per-user
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: post_upload_command = ssh llama.freegeek.org /usr/bin/mini-dinstall --batch
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<johnny>
dberkholz, so.. what should we do about that?
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clear the $TMP ?
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put it back to /tmp ?
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there's only so much magic we can do to match what people might have
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<dberkholz>
johnny: another option is to just mkdir -p $TMP
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<johnny>
hmm.. there is that
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just wondering how many more situations we're gonna run into about that
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<dberkholz>
i'm just gonna add that into the .qs
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<johnny>
ok
14:04
so.. exactly how fast can you build a kernel and all the X stuff?
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<dberkholz>
johnny: also gonna look into getting ccache in there to speed up the kernel
14:04
at least on the repeat builds
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probably have to bindmount in a dir from somewhere
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<johnny>
so.. size of the chroot doesn't matter much if we're either just mounting nfs or generating a squashfs with excluded directories does it?
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if not, we can keep most of it self contained
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<dberkholz>
johnny: well, the "obvious" thing to do on failed ltsp-build-client is rm -rf /opt/ltsp/x86, which would wipe out all the caches
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<johnny>
well, that is ltsp project policy too
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<dberkholz>
so we'd rather keep ccache directories on the build host in /var/cache/genkernel/$ARCH and something like that for ccache
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<johnny>
hmm.. do the genkernel guys have anything to say about that?
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<dberkholz>
about what?
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<johnny>
or is that what they do anyways
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<dberkholz>
they use /var/cache/genkernel/ -- not sure about tagging on $ARCH
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<johnny>
putting cache there
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<dberkholz>
but the deal is that we're in a chroot instead of building into it from outside w/ ROOT, which means our caches stay in the chroot
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so what i think might work is bind-mounting /var/cache/genkernel/x86 or whatever into /opt/ltsp/x86/var/cache/genkernel
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<dberkholz>
anyway, i'll think about it a bit and throw something together
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<johnny>
sounds good, might make my life easier
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uggh.. dodgy wifi.. it's making it hard to keep my sshfs connection ... !
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which i'm trying to do work on!
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<johnny>
only a couple bugs left
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is it just me ? or do too many programs react badly to files/connections disappearing out from under them?
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<dberkholz>
johnny: did you have a chance to try bumping ssh to 5.1?
14:43
johnny: don't want to do the work if you already did
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<johnny>
no.. too busy dealing with dodgy wifi and finishing up my work :)
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<dberkholz>
johnny: k. i'm trying to figure out how to make quickstart install ccache before it builds the kernel
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ah, found pre_build_kernel()
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<johnny>
ok.. i'm finally gonna be able to make my way down
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<dberkholz>
johnny: cool. lunch is actually showing up in a few minutes
15:03
if you eat thai
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<vagrantc>
rcy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/mkdst-trunk
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, got a working live CD too :) i'll now try and make it work with any LTSP/ssh server
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with live USB it would be easily possible as date in it is persistent, so ssh_known_host can be copied over from another server
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*data
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thats all for my second day at the hackfest :)
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'night
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<ogra>
cyberorg, so how would you get the keys updated on the CD ?
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<cyberorg>
ogra, didnt get the question?
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ah, ok, we can fetch it over tftp
16:03* ogra shakes his head
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<ogra>
then you cn use just telnet nstead of ssh
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<cyberorg>
currently when user creates the live CD the keys get copied at that time, making the the live CD just for that server
16:04
ogra, those are public keys
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anyone who requests it gets it from the server anyway
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if it is a security concern, creating a CD image takes less than 10 minutes
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user just run "kiwi-ltsp-setup -cd" to create CD iso on the server and "kiwi-ltsp-setup -u" for usb
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its 2.30 am, got to sleep :)
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'night
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: http://rsn.no-ip.org:4000/dev/unstable/ldm_2.0.6-2_i386.deb
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<epoxy|w3rk>
hm, i thought my debian installs were booting via nfs. how would i know if it is using nbd? it could be the last slew of updates, just not sure.
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<jammcq>
I think if it's Debian, it's definately using nfs
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<epoxy|w3rk>
that's what i thought.. i just noticed a few lines in init and shutting down mentioning nbd and nbd client.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: deb http://192.168.240.122/debian-extra /
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<ogra>
epoxy|w3rk, on the client thats normal ... nbd-client is always installed, if there is no setup for it it will moan on shutdown
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<epoxy|w3rk>
ah, ok
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: http://192.168.240.122/~vagrant/chrootversions
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<sbalneav>
Moo
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<warren>
sbalneav: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/segfault.png
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<epoxy|w3rk>
ogra, since no nbd, the lts.conf to use is in /opt/path/to/ltsp/etc, correct? not the tftpboot dir?
17:03
that is the one i use and it works.. just dont know if it is the 'correct' one
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<ogra>
only if you dont have one in the tftpdir .... that one will always override the one in /opt
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<epoxy|w3rk>
gotcha.
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<ogra>
so general answer is, alwyas use the tftp dir and you will never get confused :)
17:05* epoxy|w3rk makes a sticky :)
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<ogra>
or use what you like but dont forget what you used :)
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<jammcq>
btil: howdie
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<dberkholz>
johnny: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/profile.qs
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<btil>
howdi
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<dberkholz>
johnny: wget -O ltsp.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml?passthru=1
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<jammcq>
btil: do you see me now?
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<btil>
i c u
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<ogra>
moop
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<btil>
bye\
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<dberkholz>
johnny2: http://192.168.2.216/packages/
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<ogra>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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