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Channel log from 11 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

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04:43
<alkisg>
tjfontaine: how are you verifying that? From the tftp server logs?
04:44
tjfontaine: also, if you believe it's a pxelinux problem, better ask in #syslinux...
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05:59
<Lopin>
I hate to bug you guys, but I feel like I'm at the end of my rope. I've got some problems getting particular thinkpads to PXE boot from an LTSP server.
05:59
It's four thinkpads, all the same model. Every other computer in the house (at least five) are able to boot just fine.
06:00
The ones that don't get to the point where they say "Trying to load pxeconfig.0/default", then just reboot. I've searched for anything, and am turning up nothing. Has anyone else run into something similar.
06:00
?
06:01
<muppis>
Got any local OS installed on those machines?
06:01
<Lopin>
Nope. No HD's installed. But, I'm running a copy of Lubuntu off an iso on a flash drive right now.
06:02
So, I mean, I know the hardware works. I know it gets an IP addy from the server but nothing. :/
06:02
<alkisg>
!quietsplash
06:02
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
06:02
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
06:02
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
06:02
<Lopin>
I don't think it's getting that far.
06:02
It hits that statement, then the whole computer just reboots.
06:03
<alkisg>
You'll see more messages without the quiet part, so you'll know if it's pxelinux or the kernel that crashes
06:03
<muppis>
Quiet-splash enabled it doesn't show any text after that statement.
06:04
If it's not an instant reboot.
06:04
<Lopin>
The server is a VM bridged to a physical network adapter, it's running Debian 6, and those options have been disabled.
06:04
<alkisg>
!ipxe
06:04
<ltsp>
ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.
06:04
<muppis>
http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-0.9.6/contrib/rom-o-matic/build.php?version=0.9.6&F=&arch=i386&nic=gpxe%3Aall-drivers&ofmt=ISO+bootable+image+(.iso)&A=Configure
06:04
<alkisg>
That offers a better PXE stack than some embedded roms
06:04
muppis: 0.96? why so old?
06:04
<muppis>
Well, it's was frist pick from Google. ;)
06:04
First.
06:05
<alkisg>
http://ipxe.org/download
06:05
That would be about 5 years newer version
06:05
<Lopin>
I'll give iPXE a try real quick.
06:05
<alkisg>
(gpxe isn't developed any more since some years now)
06:05
(they all switched to ipxe)
06:05
<Lopin>
Was trying to look into tricking GRUB into doing a PXE boot, but that looked like more trouble than it was worth.
06:05
Thanks for the info! I'll be back in a few!
06:06
muppis: It's an instant reboot.
06:07
<muppis>
Then it can be faulty ROM code in NIC. Looked up for BIOS update?
06:07
<Lopin>
Tried the bios updates.
06:07
Technically, it's every Thinkpad R61 we can get our hands on
06:08
They're all have the model number 7743-AE4
06:08
I have one that boots, but it's got a mobo from a 7751-Somethingsomethingsomething
06:08
We also have computers with some ATI graphics cards that have problems, but they at least get past the trying to load pxeconfig.0/default line.
06:08
I'll fix that one later if I deem it needed.
06:11
<muppis>
With my experience from LTSP and ATI in Linux: If you get it working with open source drivers, be happy with it and do not try closed source drivers. :D
06:12
With closed soruce drivers I've got none working and one broken.
06:13
<Lopin>
Well, the goal is to get the thinkpads working. I've got my personal ones working, but we've got three others specifically for this purpose.
06:15
Huh. Welp.
06:16
The iPXE disk just rebooted.
06:16
It got far enough to load ipxe.kern, then just rebooted.
06:16
<alkisg>
Do you get a chance to press ctrl+b to get to the ipxe prompt?
06:17
<Lopin>
Nope. Didn't get that far.
06:18
I swear, this doesn't make any sense
06:18
<alkisg>
So, it boots linux locally, sees the network and everything, but hangs with the pxe stack or ipxe...
06:19
OK, next try is to netboot with a local copy of the ltsp server initramfs
06:19
<Lopin>
This may sound silly, but how do I go about that?
06:20
<alkisg>
It's not silly at all, let me get you some link...
06:20
<Lopin>
Think I can copy those to my flash drive with grub on it, and set up a new menu for it?
06:21
<alkisg>
Yes, that's the idea
06:21
Copy them from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ to the usb drive or something,
06:21
or even to the local lubuntu installation,
06:22
and set up a grub entry with the same kernel command line as with one of the clients that succeed in netbooting
06:22
<Lopin>
Alright. Let me see if I can get that going. I'll need to head to another computer for a moment. Running on the flash drive now.
06:22
Will likely be back, but thanks for the help guys!
06:22
<alkisg>
np
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06:45
<Lopin>
So!
06:45
It's booting now!
06:45
And, you'll never guess how I got it working!
06:45
Apparently, the laptops boot when there's a flash drive plugged in during post.
06:46
We think the other computers worked because they had internal disks of some sort, so yeah.
06:46
Thanks for the help, guys!
06:47
Not entirely sure why the network boot would require a local disk, but meh. It's working now. :P
06:48
<muppis>
I got on desktop machine which got similarity acts, but I though it is it's own madness. :D
06:51
<alkisg>
Lopin: for ipxe, do report a bug... and that's true for the pxe stack too?!! You could report a bug to your vendor then, but not sure how much it would help there...
06:54
<Lopin>
I think it's the bios, cause nothing even gets a chance to start without some sort of storage.
06:55
I don't really need any kind of internal storage, so I'm going to get a few cheap sata/cf adapters and some cheap cf cards, and just call it a day
06:55
the computers are like 4 years old. Don't think they'll update the bios, but I'll call up Lenovo and tell them
06:56
<alkisg>
It sounds like some int 10h function call is broken...
06:56
<Lopin>
10h function?
06:57
<alkisg>
It's the bios interface that provides disk access to programs
06:57
<Lopin>
Ah!
06:57
Okay, that would make sense.
06:57
They did do an update back in February. They may update it again
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07:36
<MastaaK>
Hi! I'm back with an other problem. I tried Edubuntu 12.04 with LTSP directly installed,
07:37
When I start an thin client he put the image in his RAM and boot on the splash screen, but after I put the log/passwd he reboot... I already tried an ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
07:38
<muppis>
Whole machine reboots?
07:39
Or just ldm restarts?
07:39
<MastaaK>
I saw that my ssh server can have a different port to connect my client and that's why, but i don't know how to check taht...
07:39
whole machine I guess, but she doesn't reload the img
07:40
<alkisg>
MastaaK: on the server, tail -F /var/log/auth.log
07:41
That file tells if the login was successful
07:42
<MastaaK>
The log file in /var/log/auth say: Bad passwd / Connection closed
07:42
<alkisg>
So the problem is a bad password
07:42
Try changing the password to a numeric one, e.g. 1234
07:43
<MastaaK>
Insn't normal that the client reboot due to a bad passwd?
07:44
<alkisg>
Take the problems one by one
07:46
<MastaaK>
With a numeric passwd the problem is the same, reboot, and the log file say he opened a session and received a disconnect command, so he close the session
07:48
With that try I saw something like the desktop before he reboot...
07:48
<alkisg>
Nice. Now, next try:
07:48
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
07:48
And in that file, put:
07:48
[Default]
07:49
Hmm no ignore that
07:49
Reboot the client, and in the login screen, click on the preferences button
07:49
And select "xterm" session from there, if available
07:49
<MastaaK>
I've default, ssh and rdesktop
07:50
But a question, did by defaut the client need a ssh connection?
07:50
<alkisg>
Yes, the clients connect with ssh
07:51
<MastaaK>
Okay, 'cause I tried to connect with putty to tell U exactly what that said and nothing happend, I think I doesn't have any SSH server...
07:52
<alkisg>
MastaaK: then your auth.log wouldn't have said "succeeded"
07:52
Try on the server: ssh username@localhost
07:52
And see if it works...
07:52
Also, you can try ssh'ing from the client:
07:52
!screen_02
07:52
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
07:53
<MastaaK>
or with ctrl+alt+F1 ?
07:54
<alkisg>
No, you can't login there unless you define a root password in your chroot
07:55
<MastaaK>
When I want a new account, I need to creat it in the chroot or on server?
07:56
<alkisg>
Server
07:56
If you created that in the chroot, that might be causing problems
07:57
If so, try with a new, different account
07:57
<MastaaK>
okay, I creat it on the server but i saw different way
07:58
And i can't use the ssh command because the authenticity of host was not established
07:58
<alkisg>
That's the ssh keys, type [yes] there
07:59
<MastaaK>
I do that but when he tell me to put the passwd I put it and he doesn't reconnize it
07:59
<alkisg>
What command did you use, exactly?
07:59
<MastaaK>
ssh rootlocalhost
07:59
ssh root@localhost
08:00
<alkisg>
Not root. Put some username there.
08:00
E.g. ssh mastaak@localhost
08:00
The root account can't login on ubuntu machines, it doesn't have a password, it's disabled.
08:00
Don't use root on the client either.
08:01
<MastaaK>
okay, i tried with an other Id and it works... sorry but I'm very not good with linux, I started only 2weeks ago...
08:02
<alkisg>
Which distro are you using?
08:02
<MastaaK>
Now, I'm connected with the right ID, did i need to change my ltsp.conf?
08:02
<alkisg>
And which version?
08:02
<MastaaK>
Edubuntu 12.04
08:02
<alkisg>
In the preferences menu, do you see an "ubuntu 2d" item?
08:03
(in the login screen)
08:03
<MastaaK>
no, onlu backend, langage, session, reboot, and shutdown
08:04
You spoke about the client, right?
08:05
And for the backend I've Default, SSH, and rdesktop
08:07
<alkisg>
MastaaK: not backend. Session.
08:07
<MastaaK>
Yes i've ubuntu 2d
08:08
<alkisg>
Select that first, and then try to login
08:09
<MastaaK>
That's the same
08:09
<alkisg>
Do you have an xterm session listed there?
08:10
!xterm
08:10
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'xterm', but I do know about these similar topics: 'localxterm'
08:10
<MastaaK>
!localxterm
08:10
<ltsp>
localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
08:13
<MastaaK>
So now I tryed many UI, i think they aren't the cause of my trouble...
08:14
In my log it says that a session are opened for my client but he reboot, so i come on the splash screen, and when I tryed to reconnect it's the same, he closed my previous session and opened and new one...
08:16
Oh! In my syslog file I saw that I doesn't have the right to access i386.img...
08:23
<alkisg>
That's not it, the client wouldn't boot at all then
08:26
<MastaaK>
So, I look closely and at the boot of the client and i saw something like Starting load fallback graphics devices [fail]
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08:26
<MastaaK>
Does I need to install pilot in chroot? Did u think my problem can come from here?
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09:12
<alkisg>
(10:09:57 πμ) alkisg: Do you have an xterm session listed there?
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09:38
<MastaaK>
Okay, so, i can connect my client with my first account (at the install), but i can't without the other user, and I can't connect either in local with the other, they doesn't have any folder in /home/... i don't know why, did I need to put an option when i create the account? Something like: sudo useradd -D --base-dir /home/new_user ?
09:46
<alkisg>
Don't use useradd, use adduser
09:46
Or the users gnome dialog
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10:19
<alkisg>
!kvm
10:19
<ltsp>
kvm: To boot a fake thin client with kvm: kvm -ctrl-grab -net nic -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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<MastaaK>
alkisg: Thanks for your help, I'm glad someone like U take time to explain me how ltsp work! I finnaly found why I can not connet, that's because when I made a user I didin't use sudo so that doesn't create the home folder, and now I use the right command everything work fine, I just need to find how to remove app for the chroot and I put this server on the way to go!
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10:59
<srvmng>
alkisg what is the link to the greek ts irc?
11:00
<alkisg>
srvmng: /j #ts.sch.gr
11:00
(type it here)
11:00
<srvmng>
thanks!
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11:01
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: we'll have a workshop at Crete in a couple of weeks, do you think the greek schools will have been transfered to the ltsp.org map till then, so that we can show them off?
11:03
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, hi, I hope to do it before next meeting
11:03
If not, shortly after.
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11:03
<Hyperbyte>
I did make some time for LTSP today actually, but used that to add the RSS news feed to the homepage
11:03
http://www.ltsp.org/ Check it out. :-)
11:04
Oh, and to change the bot to use our new meeting channel #ltsp-meeting instead of the old. :-)
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: the bot's still in the old channel, right?
11:16
Just to keep it alive, for the redirect?
11:16
You can install an auto-redirect, for visitors...
11:16
So that when one types /j #old-channel, he automatically gets to the new one
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11:26
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I have no idea how.
11:27
The old channel isn't even registered
11:27
Feel free to set it up. :P
11:30
<alkisg>
Hehe... I'll tell Phantomas, he's the expert
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12:47
<praiselinux>
can i ask question related to LTSP
12:47
<muppis>
!ask
12:47
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
12:49
<praiselinux>
i am having ubuntu LTSP server on which i have installed 32bit kubuntu as a fat-client
12:50
<muppis>
And?
12:50
<praiselinux>
now i want to add 64bit and i am having all 64bit files downloaded but how do i replace 32bit
12:53
what i did: i copied amd64 folder in /opt/ltsp/ and it created amd64image in /opt/ltsp/images/
12:55
but it is still booting to 32bit image. I have made changes in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file
12:57
<muppis>
Restarted the dhpcd itself?
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13:06
<praiselinux>
i have done that and also made changes in /var/lib/tftpboot/ when i m booting thin client i m getting "cannot file configuration file in /ltsp/amd64/" message
13:09
sorry the message is "unable to locate configuration file"
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14:43
<markit>
hi alkisg, I've been asked if is possible block client http navigation ... is something epoptes already does?
14:44
<alkisg>
markit: that's doable with squid, sch-scripts had a menu for configuring squid black lists, epoptes will have that in the future
14:44
Or you can just change their gateway with epoptes :)
14:44
<markit>
ok, I've installed squid
14:44
<alkisg>
Just 1 command, sudo ip ... set gateway something
14:45
<markit>
too complicated for italian teachers, remember theny don't know anything of... anything :(
14:45
<alkisg>
1 command => set gateway = 0: blocks internet, and another to restore it
14:45
You can put the commands in the epoptes history for the execution dialog
14:45
<markit>
alkisg: would be great be able to pre-set commands / scripts in epoptes with description, so would be easy to customize
14:45
<alkisg>
In the future we'll have custom commands in menus, .. yeah that ^
14:46
<markit>
ok, thanks a lot :)
14:49
<tjfontaine>
alkisg: yes I'm verifying from the log, and from the client machine, it's only probing for default, it never tries for mac or ipaddr
14:58
<markit>
alkisg: btw, set gateway something will block the server navigation too, I will need something only for Fat clients
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15:19
<alkisg>
markit: gateway for fat clients, not for the server
15:19
That can be done from the epoptes execution dialog
15:20
tjfontaine: better ask in #syslinux
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<markit>
alkisg: with sudo and without password? I'm puzzled ("sudo ip.." you wrote)
16:11
<alkisg>
markit: in epoptes, sudo means "the root epoptes-client should execute that command"
16:11
So yeah, without password
16:12
<markit>
:) thanks a lot
16:12
so root epoptes client is always enabled without password?
16:12
I mean, a studend could open a terminal and issue su - root ?
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<alkisg>
markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
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<ltsp>
alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 35 minutes and 44 seconds ago: <alkisg> markit: no, only the teacher could do that, and only on the student machines remotely
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20:41
<ltspuser_85>
short question could i makle system on a scool and then the student when they took ther laptops home , can they still use system from home with windows 7
20:42
they also use windows 7 at scool
20:49
<knipwim>
you know this is the support channel for the >> Linux << Terminal Server Project?
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<vagrantc>
ltspuser_85: you want laptops that boot to LTSP while at school, and windows7 when not on the school network?
20:55
<ltspuser_85>
we use window7 at scool and at hom,e someone told me we coould use LTSP
21:01
<vagrantc>
that doesn't make much sense
21:02
LTSP only really works on a local network
21:02
i.e. a classroom with a lot of seats connecting to a single server
21:02
the bandwidth isn't really practical for use over the internet
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<ltspuser_85>
as i expected, thank you if i havent ask he would not bellieve me thank you.
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22:35
<warren>
What's Jim's e-mail address?
22:35
I'm mailing everyone who expressed interest in fedora/rhel6 ltsp hacking
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<vagrantc>
!seen jammcq
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<ltsp>
jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <jammcq> yay!
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