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Channel log from 22 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<jvin248>
itknight: Xubuntu worked like Kubuntu (6.10) though I haven't been able to get client sound to work on either. I also installed ltsp on Linux Mint Bianca test machine. I have to sign off, sorry for the post length, but here are the steps: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server; sudo ltsp-build-client; sudo nano /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf (or use vim, change IP address, adjust 'authoritative'); sudo invoke-rc.d
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dhcp3-server restart; sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys; then google for 'rom-o-matic" and get a boot floppy if your client machine won't network boot on its own. Hardware I've found works back to AMD/Cyrix/P2-200's vintage, mostly due to Linux Kernel 2.6 default, probably could do older machines if installed kernel 2.4 in ltsp directories but haven't tried (find location in ltsp.conf). Good Luck!
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<IRCzito_home>
god morning people
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:D
08:28
good
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:D
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ogra: the root-tree of the ubuntu_6.10_i386 does not have /etc/inittab, it's start which init 1??
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<ogra>
it starts the scripts of /etc/rc2.d by default ...
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ubuntu uses upstart instead of init ...
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upstart uses the files from /etc/event.d instead of inittab
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<IRCzito_home>
ok, thanks... I want know this to work in slackware root-tree :D
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<ogra>
well, look at the code from breezy or dapper, they used sysvinit
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<IRCzito_home>
ow thanks, I have root-tree of debian_etch_i386, do you know if this use sysvinit?
08:36
<ogra>
likely
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<cliebow>
laprag!!!!!!!!!
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<laprag>
hey chuck
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<jammcq>
wow, look who showed up
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<laprag>
heh, forced indoors by the rain
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<ogra>
so
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<laprag>
'sup?
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<ogra>
i got nfs4 running
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not really any exciting performance gains :/
10:12
<jammcq>
laprag: hey, I was down in Brazil last week. Ran into one of your norwegian buddies
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ogra: any gain at all?
10:13
<laprag>
oh? small world
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<jammcq>
laprag: remember Knut ?
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<laprag>
Yrvin?
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<jammcq>
yep
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<laprag>
ah
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he gets around
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and you!
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<jammcq>
yes, he's doing some evangelizing for TrollTech these days
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<ogra>
jammcq, nope .... bootchart shows even 20sec more boottime of my vm ...
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<laprag>
oh is he? scott's old job?
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<ogra>
but you have to load a lot for nfs4 ...
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<jammcq>
yeah, I think he's got part of that job
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laprag: Knut seems like he was put on this earth to just have fun, and so far, seems to be successful at it
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<laprag>
hehe
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you're right
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he knows how to do that
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<jammcq>
i've bumped into him a few times over the years, and I've never seen him without a big ole smile
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<ogra>
i wonder why he's still not in politics ...
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<jammcq>
that would prolly spoil the fun
10:15
<laprag>
heh, an honest politician? not even here
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<ogra>
he should be on his way to become mayor in his ages
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*age
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<laprag>
i think his dad used to be
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<ogra>
well, he once told me it would be his biggest dream
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<jammcq>
really? wow
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ogra: hey, we're planning a few events over the next several months, if you'd care to partake in our fun
10:17
<laprag>
ogra: any great news in feisty for ltsp?
10:17
<ogra>
send me dates :)
10:17
<jammcq>
the week of July 23rd, many of us will be in Portland, OR for OSCON,Ubuntu-Live and another hackfest
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<ogra>
i'm planned for an amount of EU confs
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<jammcq>
then, somwhere around Oct 27th, we'll be up in Maine for the next BTS
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<ogra>
for which i dont know the exact dates yet
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i'll likely be at ubuntu-live ... not sure yet
10:18
<laprag>
jammcq: you sure about the venue for BTS now?
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<jammcq>
ogra: which dates don't you know yet?
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laprag: well, the Ubuntu UDS this fall will be in Boston, and the dates have been announced, so we can start making BTS plans
10:19
<ogra>
two for one tour to stoxckholm and another one to cyprus
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<jammcq>
ah
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<ogra>
one must be in june or july ...
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i'm not even sure i have tbe there
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<jammcq>
laprag: also, in about 10 days, we'll be in Seville, Spain for UDS
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<ogra>
but if, then it has highest prio
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<laprag>
in Seville, eh? Pick up one of Robert Wilson's books for a dark introdction
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<ogra>
heh
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<jammcq>
and, Scotty and I will be having a mini-hackfest in Minneapolis the weekend of June 16th
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laprag: hmm, got a particular book in mind?
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<laprag>
too busy to get any work done?
10:21* ogra is really sad ...
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<laprag>
jammcq: Hidden Assassins is the last
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<jammcq>
laprag: all the while, trying to get lots of work done
10:21* ogra had expected a lot more from nfs4
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<laprag>
I'm only a third into it
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<laprag>
ogra: are you getting longer boot times?
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<ogra>
yeah, slightly
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<laprag>
is that feisty?
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<ogra>
i had expected a performance increse by switchig to v4
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yep
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well, half way gutsy already :)
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<laprag>
hmm
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<ogra>
it took me 1 1/2 days to get the initramfs in shape ... and its great to have an encrypted filesystem ... but the speed doesnt convince to make it a default ...
10:26
<mistik1>
jammcq: Hey, ever hear of anyone hacking Xorg to change the default grey screen to an image or some other color
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<ogra>
mistik1, ubuntu and redhat have patches for that
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<jammcq>
mistik1: dunno why anyone would want to do that
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<mistik1>
hehe
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<cliebow>
hehe
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<mistik1>
jammcq: To not see the ugly grey screen
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ogra: got a link anywhere?
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<jammcq>
if you are seeing an ugly grey screen, you have a problem
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<mistik1>
jammcq: Not for ltsp bro
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<cliebow>
be happy!!
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<mistik1>
There are some things I do for which I dont use a wm at all and setting a background image takes an extra step I dont need
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<ogra>
-br create root window with black background
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from Xorg -h
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i *think* thats even upstream and not a patch anymore
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ldm uses it to avoid the grey screen
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<jammcq>
ah
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<ogra>
Apr 22 17:33:07 edubuntu kernel: [319532.180000] nfs4_cb: server 127.0.0.1/192.168.100.253 AUTH_UNIX 0 not responding, timed out
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aha
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so it might be possible to have it faster :)
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<jarhed>
hello ... I would like a little help with my ltsp setup, if anyone could.
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<jammcq>
jarhed: if you need help, you really need to ask your question
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<cliebow>
jrahed: gaining?
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<jarhed>
k...can't get any client to login. I've installed an ubuntu version with ltsp and the edubuntu version
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both download the images and startup to the X, then I lose the signal to the monitor
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<jammcq>
sounds like X is over-driving the monitor
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can you try a different monitor?
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<jarhed>
yes
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i've set XSERVER=vesa,
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<jarhed>
its a cirrus 1MB onboard
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<ogra>
that wont work
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<jammcq>
that's just the driver to use. that doesn't effect the frequency
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<ogra>
1M isnt enough
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<jarhed>
but I also can't with a vmware instance
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so there ARE minimum requirements
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<ogra>
you will need to set X_COLOR_DEPTH=8 or so to make an 1M card work at all
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<jarhed>
I;ve set that also
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<jammcq>
the old cirrus logic cards are a real problem
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<ogra>
sure there are minimum reqs :)
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<jarhed>
ok...well if that's the case, I'm not crazy :)
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<ogra>
48M ram and at least 200Mhz for clients ... 2M garphics card
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<jarhed>
i've read and read and thought I had set every option I could find
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<jarhed>
but I've read some old P1 systems would work ... is that a different setup?
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<ogra>
no
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you might even get 486 systems to work with enough ram and patience :)
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lots of patience ...
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lots and lots of patience ... ;)
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<jarhed>
patience I have, it's the lack of knowledge that's killing me
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<jarhed>
is there a significant diff from 4.1 to the ltsp 5 used in ubuntu?
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<jammcq>
heh
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yes, huge difference
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<jarhed>
is there somewhere that I could find more documentation for 5?
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<jammcq>
ogra: what's the link to the docs that scotty and others have been working on?
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<ogra>
on the ltsp wiki
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<jammcq>
no, the workbook thing
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is that up on the wiki now?
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<ogra>
jammcq, thats the edubuntu handbook, included in edubuntu
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<jammcq>
ok, maybe that'll help him
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<ogra>
no idea if thats anywhere online
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<jarhed>
i'll look for it on the system
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<jammcq>
seems like it would be a waste to NOT have it online
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<ogra>
i know there is a svn for te contributors ... but i dont know if its exported to html or so
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<jammcq>
what format is it?
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<ogra>
i only get he finished sourcepackage, sign and upload it :)
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xml
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<jammcq>
docbook ?
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<ogra>
its yelp documentation
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i guess so
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ask scottie
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<jammcq>
I would, if he were here. maybe i'll call him. need to talk with him anyway
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<ogra>
i only know the other side of things where the stuff comes out ;)
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he's on te input side
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<jarhed>
any suggestions for the cirrus card?
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<ogra>
not really
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1M is just not enough
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<jarhed>
ok
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drats
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<jammcq>
it's enough for 800x600 16-bit
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<jarhed>
i'd like to solve the X display,,even if it's really lousy display
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<jammcq>
ogra: does ltsp-5 support X_MODE_0 = 800x600 ?
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<ogra>
jarhed, can you boot to console ?
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jammcq, you know it doesnt
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we discussed it pretty often before
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<jarhed>
if I kill the X, is see the terminal and yes I can log in
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<jammcq>
yeah, but my memory ain't what it used to be
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<ogra>
jarhed, check the modelines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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do they start with 1024x786 ?
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<jarhed>
as for setting it to boot to console ... I have to find how to do that with the startup stuff / I knew how with inittab
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<ogra>
SCREEN_xx=shell gives you a console ... nothing changed there
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<jarhed>
setting it now...
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i've read that you can specify a X file in lts.conf, would that work?
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<ogra>
yes, thats why we look at the existing one ;)
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so do your modelines have 1024 entries ?
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<jarhed>
yes
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higher also
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<ogra>
remove them ... the higher ones as well
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<jarhed>
default is 24
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<ogra>
leave 800x600 and downwards in place
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change the depth to 16
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<jarhed>
and i am assuming your talking about the xorg.conf in the opt/... dir
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<ogra>
save the file and try to run /etc/init.d/ltsp-client start
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i'm talking about the xorg.conf you see on tty1 on te client
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i'm not talking about anything on the server
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<jarhed>
ok
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<ogra>
if you ge a login screeen with the above, scp the xorg.conf to the server ... save it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg.conf-custom and add /etc/xorg.conf-custom to te lts.conf
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<jarhed>
sorry ...it's coming up slowwwwly
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<ogra>
so you have X ?
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<jarhed>
no its at Starting LTSP client...
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can't login
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i did yesterday
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<ogra>
set a rootpw: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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you can then log in with that
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on tty1
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<ogra>
btw, which ubuntu/edubuntu release is that ?
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<jarhed>
feisty
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just to clarify. .. the root passwd is set IN the client
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but the accounts are ON the server?
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<ogra>
yes
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<jarhed>
so I should have been able to log in with a student account
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<ogra>
on the server, yes
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the chroot hsa o accounts at all
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*has
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*has no
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<jarhed>
ok i see 2 xorg.conf
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xorg.conf and xorg.conf.20070422124837
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<ogra>
xorg.conf is the one you want to edit
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<jarhed>
that one has identified the cirrus video card
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<ogra>
right
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check the modelines and color depth
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<jarhed>
color depth was 24 - changed it to 16
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mode lines are 1024 and down
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<ogra>
drop the 1024x786 from there
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then run the ltsp-client initscript
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<jarhed>
on the client?
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<ogra>
ideed
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<jarhed>
ok I've edited and saved the file
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what should my options for the aspire be in lts.conf
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i've used XSERVER / X_MODE / and DEPTH
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delete em?
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<ogra>
doesnt matter with a fixed config
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as soon as you set XF86CONFIG_FILE they will be ignored
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<jarhed>
so XFCONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.cong_aspire
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?
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<ogra>
if oyu saved it like that, yes
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<jarhed>
gotcha
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<ogra>
just make sure to scp it to the server
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and copy it over ito /opt/ltsp
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<jarhed>
yes and yes
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i don't see that command
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<ogra>
/etc/init.d/ltsp-client ....
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run it with the start option
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(thats the piece that writes "Staring LTSP client ..." on your screen
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)
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<jarhed>
off she goes [thanks]
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<ogra>
got X ?
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<jarhed>
nope .. but it could be just slow
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<ogra>
well you should see the X cursore by now
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*cursor
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even on a slow system
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<jarhed>
nope
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i ran the init script / it came back to the prompt and then lost the signal to the monitor
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should I cycle it?
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<ogra>
hmm, can you ge back to tty1 ? /var/log/Xorg.0.log should have soe ifo
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<jarhed>
funny i have an Xorg.6 but no 0
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<ogra>
6 is fine
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<jarhed>
tried less and it froze
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gonna cycle it
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<ogra>
how much RAM does that thing have ?
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<jarhed>
whopping 32
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i know i know ...
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the other problem I had was not being able to get passed the login prompt on the vmware instance
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<cliebow>
jarhed:it is just ttoo challenged at 32 meg to run ltsp5
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<jarhed>
ok ..
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that's what I have been realizing thanks to you guys
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i thought it could work
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<cliebow>
even ltsp4.2 will kill x at 32 meg agfter a while..
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<jarhed>
but why would it not allow a login past the login greeter [could user/passwd]
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err. good user/passwd
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<cliebow>
33 meg would work though 8`)
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im not sure..
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<jarhed>
well this one has 512 w a 64MB NVidia card
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i get the login screen ...enter info ... login screen again
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<cliebow>
and youve updated ssh keys..
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<jarhed>
how does that work?
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<cliebow>
there is a acommand like ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<jarhed>
yes ... when do u use it?
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<cliebow>
when you get a login prob..
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<jarhed>
:)
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<cliebow>
8~)
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i wont say it will solve all your ills..
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but sosmetimes you luvk oput
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good grief!!
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<jarhed>
oh...you're good .....
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<cliebow>
any luck?? ...i just mimic what everyone else says 8~)
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<jarhed>
oh yeah that solved the newer machine ...
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<cliebow>
i was a alittle syrprised..i thought the nvg card would balk
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<jarhed>
but looking at the aspire it looks like its still using the olc xorg.conf
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well it's the first time I booted that box
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i have a slew of other's
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where can i find a complete list of supported options for lts.conf for 5?
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<cliebow>
jarhed:if you are s tuck with the older machines you might try 4.2/...
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jarhed didnt we find it in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/
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<jarhed>
can you run them in parallel
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<cliebow>
yes.
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but
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you'll have to turn on xdmcp..
12:38* cliebow cliebow waits to get ecorrected..
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<jarhed>
found it .. correct again...
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but to build it in the edubuntu server?
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<cliebow>
i did tar up 4.2 for you..you wont have to build anything
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<jarhed>
yes .. got it
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untar in /opt/ltsp
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bu the boot image?
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<cliebow>
yes.. it should make ltsp-4.2
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<cliebow>
put the jkernel in /var/lib/tftpbot after unzipping and point to it with dhcpd.conf
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<jarhed>
i didn't get that
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is it in the tar?
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<cliebow>
no ill get a link
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<jarhed>
thanks
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<cliebow>
http://169.244.3.137/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2.gz
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unzip and put it in /var/lib/tftpboot
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so dhcpd.conf for those clients has new entries for root-path and filename
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<jarhed>
thanks totally appreciate all the help
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<cliebow>
no prob..
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lots of people have done the samme for me..just returning the favor
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<jarhed>
are u volunteer?
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<cliebow>
might do aa showmount -e just to be sure nfs exports all of /opt/ltsp
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oh yeah..my work is actutally it guy in Ellsworth schools..one of 5
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and skippering a boat
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<jarhed>
sounds like fun
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<cliebow>
oh yeah..this gives me a chance to rub shoulders with giants
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<jarhed>
just got out of the Marines and wanted to help out a school around here whilst i start looking for a job
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<cliebow>
very cool..my boss was marines then airforce..same idea..
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<cliebow_>
a
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<mistik1>
b
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<cliebow_>
mitiki1:trying to change nick..doesnt seem working
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c
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/NICK
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<yhan>
hi,
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<yhan>
question : since I forced my term to directly xdmcp, the localdev are not mounting automaticly anymore
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<yhan>
do I need to add somehting in lts.conf ?
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<jarhed>
how should unique parameters be grouped in lts.conf: by hostname or MAC?
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<freemind>
[default]
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<jarhed>
well i got it to work via MAC, won't work via hostname
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<jarhed>
cliebow:jammcq:ogra -- Thanks for all the help ... the aspire finally came up!!!
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<cliebow_>
jarhed
16:25
that on ltsp5?
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<jarhed>
yes
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<cliebow_>
reat..learned a lot then..
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<jarhed>
the final item was not getting the x file via hostname but via MAC
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<cliebow_>
you missed an a in you nick didnt you/
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?
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<jarhed>
in lts.conf
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<cliebow_>
you nick ought to be jarhead?
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8~)
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<jarhed>
oh ...yeah
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well ...
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<jammcq>
jarhed: you can do it by hostname, if your dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts file is setup correctly
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check the 'dhcp' page on the ltsp wiki
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<jarhed>
never occured to check the host file as i thought the ip would always change
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but now that u mention it --- makes perfect sense
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<jammcq>
if you have parameters that MUST be tied to a specific workstation, then MAC address is prolly your best choice
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<jarhed>
thanks again ...learned a lot....gonna split
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<freemind>
j #ltsp-br
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<freemind>
hi,
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someone here use fl-teachertool?
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<yhan>
no but It looks interesting
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<cliebow>
yo
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hi
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<J45p3r>
carl says he has to be at doctors in am
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can't do beech
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<cliebow>
yes..i n eed to go to beh
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<J45p3r>
you need a hand up there?
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<cliebow>
i dont think so..
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<cliebow>
just check the six i did at school for lexia
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andd assign a teacher pw..9i foorg etted 8~)
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<J45p3r>
ok, he said he planned to meet you there? but anyhoo he has an appt. at 9:30 and can't make it
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<cliebow>
cool..ill be in at 8 to pick em up
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<J45p3r>
I'm available if you need me
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ok
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<cliebow>
he spoke about it on friday..but i couldnt make much sense of that\
19:34
<J45p3r>
ok
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<cliebow>
i appreciate that..just a final check..
19:35
did you get ariound that sata stuff?
19:35
<J45p3r>
naw, spent most of the weekend outside for a change
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<cliebow>
Beautiful day staurday for sure..
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i had to use dapper on my wife's laptop..then u/g tot edgy...then to feisty..
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<cliebow>
got her hsfmodem working sort of
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<J45p3r>
yep, got my truck all sparkely, I'll have to poke around on google and see if I can find an easy work around, I just don't wanna toast my data
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<cliebow>
\seems to die..after a couple minutes
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<J45p3r>
as in disconnects?
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<cliebow>
yeah..but right now firefox is doing 985 cpu
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so maybe that is part oof uit\
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9 minutes this time around wiyhout the disconnect..
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but the thing sems hung
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<J45p3r>
does it disconnect even if you are actively downloading/surfing?
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<cliebow>
yes
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<J45p3r>
weird, you'd think if it works it works
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<cliebow>
it is a pos anyway..but even in icewm it is pegges
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i know..i spent five minutes looking up error code 16..to find out what i already knew..modem disconnectted.
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<J45p3r>
ah, very useful error message
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<cliebow>
heh..it was fgirefox/java..
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so killed em..n ow pppd died..
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<cliebow>
one thing with icewm..you get a visual of cpu
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<J45p3r>
so killing firefox kills the connect?
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<cliebow>
did this time..
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havnt got it quite sorted out
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<J45p3r>
well, good luck, I'm gonna turn in after a busy couple days
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<cliebow>
night..see ya tomorow
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<J45p3r>
l8r
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<cliebow>
l8r
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<freemind>
hi...
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i has used this shell to list [user] [host]
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and wanna know if its correct...
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netstat -t -e --numeric-host --numeric-ports | grep :6000 | grep ESTABELECIDA | sed -e 's/:/ /g;s/ESTABELECIDA//g;/root/d' | awk '{print $8,$6}' | sort | uniq
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<edgarin>
freemind, hablas español cierto?
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<freemind>
no mui biem...
22:38
<edgarin>
ahh ok
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<freemind>
why???
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<edgarin>
In the command say ESTABLECIDA
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<freemind>
pt_br
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<edgarin>
freemind, ohh! ok! :)
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<freemind>
ESTABLISHED
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<edgarin>
of course!
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<freemind>
you can use this...
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sorry...
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<edgarin>
but I don't see a problem with this command
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sure works perfectly
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<freemind>
tks
22:41
now I'lll go to construct a series of options in an web interface with php
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<edgarin>
ohhh! cool!
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<freemind>
but necessary to know if it is interesting for the project
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or somebody
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<edgarin>
for my person is necessary to list the hosts :)
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<freemind>
i gonna work...
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tks
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:-D
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