IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 May 2014   (all times are UTC)

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12:41
<JuJuBee>
When I try to ltsp-chroot -c -p I get this error... http://pastebin.com/bdX5akAr
12:48
<cyberorg>
JuJuBee, try chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64/
12:51
<JuJuBee>
cyberorg : chroot: failed to run command `/opt/ltsp/amd64/': No such file or directory
12:51
but /opt/ltsp/amd64 does exist
12:57
<ogra_>
JuJuBee, sudo umount -l /opt/ltsp/amd64/proc
12:57
then try again
12:57
<JuJuBee>
ogra_: thanks, that did it.
13:00
if I have a .deb I wish to install in my image, then can I simply copy it into /opt/ltsp/amd64, then install it and update image?
13:07
Anybody have experience with VirtualBox in the image?
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13:16
<jammcq>
hello friends
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<pp20>
I have 8 spare HP laptops along with a spare HP workstation... I was thinking of removing all the hdds from the laptops and intsall ltsp on the workstaion then donate it to my sons school. The tech lady at my sons school doesnt know anything about linux (and im guess only abit about networks). Would this setup need its own seperate network (ip range) to work properly or could it be dropped their network and let the ltsp server pick up a d
14:13
ive only played around with this at work where the ltsp server wasnt plugged into the network, just a switch with the laptops on the rest of the ports.
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14:18
<mmetzger>
pp20: I think the problem is they'd have to setup a PXE boot config on the normal DHCP server.
14:18
Might be easier to dual NIC the workstation and setup the LTSP side as its own network
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<pp20>
mmetzger: sorry, got caught up... right OK, makes sense. so if i put another nic into the workstation, let the first nic obtain a dhcp address from the school network, then on the second nic (which will be plugged into a switch where the laptops are plugged into) set that up with a seperate ip address range?
14:27
<mmetzger>
pp20: I think that should work. You'll have to setup some IP tables translations for the NAT, and some weird apps may not work if the school is NAT'd as well, but it should do most activities. Then you also don't have to worry about whether the school's physical network is crappy.
14:27
Now whether they'll let you actually plug into the school network is a whole different story.
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<ageis>
is there any problem with running LTSP server on a virtual host (specifically Windows Hyper-V)? one would need to forward ports
14:43
<pp20>
mmetzger: thanks dude! it would be a case of i would set the whole thing up, install all the apps i think they would use tuxmaths etc, then donate it and hand it over as it. whether they use it as that or format the lot and install windows will be up to them i guess.
14:44
what i dont wont to do is just format the hdds (which have xp on) then hand them over. they wont have time/resources to get anything up and running.
14:44
<mmetzger>
aegis: I've run it on XenServer in production and on VMWare locally - no port forwarding necessary.
14:44
<pp20>
at least i could present them with a working setup (and be linux :) )
14:46
<mmetzger>
pp20: Agreed - it's a beautiful system. Most of my implementations are fat client ones which is so beautiful to not have to monitor / freeze / update remote systems.
14:48
<pp20>
mmetzger: Im UK based and the school is in a village with really slow internet, at least this way I was thinking get the LTSP rocking on the workstaion, install all the apps and packages they could think of using (found a lot a educational packages they could use) so they dont have to use the internet at all/hardly.
14:49
apps like TuxMaths etc would be perfect for them to use. it can obviolusly be monitored too, forget the app name whereby the server can see all the screens??
14:50
and removing the hard drives from the hp 4400 laptops, means using less power and generating too much heat of course. an added bonus.
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<ageis>
mmetzger: not for TFTP and NBD ?
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<mmetzger>
pp20: epoptes?
14:55
ageis: Your configs may be different depending on your needs - I was running in a bridged config.
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<ageis>
oh ok
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<cyberorg>
pp20, http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e its got tons of edu apps and ltsp server ready to run
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<pp20>
mmetzger: could have been, looks similar. good idea either way, could see them usng it in the after-school club where they generally let the kids on the existing laptops or watching cartoons until the parents pick them up.
15:08
cyberorg: wow, looks great, will have a properly look shortly :) have you used it? know of anyone yourself?
15:08* cyberorg creates it
15:09
<cyberorg>
whole of Indonesian education system uses it, about 500 schools
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<pp20>
cyberorg: thats a lot of schools!
15:27
:)
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<pp20>
mmetzger: thin client manager is the one i remember (which needs a modifcation to work) I remember it from this video a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aFcDlp9-xw
15:44
<ogra_>
heh, that was never finished
15:45
you really want epoptes nowadays ... thats the default tool used by most installations
15:50
<vagrantc>
thin client manager's primary purpose nowadays is to tease ogra into chatting in #ltsp :)
15:50
<ogra_>
lol
15:51
well, i'm really surprised to see it in a video from 2013
15:51
<vagrantc>
heh
15:51
<ogra_>
did anyone pick it up after i stopped working on it ?
15:52
<pp20>
epoptes it is then! :)
15:52
<ogra_>
(which was ... hmm ... like 5 years ago ...)
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16:19
<jammcq>
ogra_: hey hey
16:19
<ogra_>
jammcq, !
16:19
<jammcq>
cool orange box
16:19
<ogra_>
yeah, aint it ?
16:19
:)
16:19
<jammcq>
did you work on that?
16:19* ogra_ would want one to put a power amp in for his living room
16:19
<ogra_>
nope ... doing phones all the way currently
16:20
(the future :) )
16:20
clouds are so last year already
16:20
<jammcq>
I liked that comment on the blog post saying 'The ubuntu phone is finally here' :)
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<ogra_>
haha, yeah vlad is always funny
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<jammcq>
I saw Jorge a couple days ago and he was telling me about this thing. it's pretty cool
16:21
<ogra_>
well if i get my ass up i'll come to debconf ... i'll bring phones to show off
16:21
<jammcq>
cool
16:21
<ogra_>
he wasnt allowed
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<jammcq>
he coudlnt' give me any details
16:22
but he said watch for something cool coming
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<ogra_>
i actually saw it a few months ago in london, we werent even allowed to take photos :)
16:22
<jammcq>
wow
16:22
<ogra_>
must make a wonderful ltsp server actually :)
16:23
<vagrantc>
jammcq: heya!
16:23
<jammcq>
vagrantc: hey hey
16:23
<ogra_>
(i wonder if there is a juju charm for ltsp ... )
16:23
<vagrantc>
any of y'all coming to debconf this year? august in portland is typically absolutely beautiful :)
16:24* ogra_ remembers that it was absolutely hot last time he was there in august
16:24
<ogra_>
:)
16:24
<jammcq>
vagrantc: I'm hoping, although I've got a daughter moving to New york to attend college and I think I need to help her move around aug 20th
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<ogra_>
you should talk here into moving to portland instead
16:25
<vagrantc>
jammcq: that's like 8 days before it starts!
16:25
<ogra_>
*her
16:25
<jammcq>
heh
16:25
and then there's the whole financial thing. I'll have 2 daughters in college
16:28* vagrantc sighs
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<pp20>
sorry to ask (only few mins left at work) can i install latest version of ubuntu, then install ltsp on top? downloads seem to suggest its only available in the 12.04 alternative iso
16:34
iso downloads on ubuntu site i mean
16:34
<vagrantc>
it's available in all versions of ubuntu
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<pp20>
so when doing a fresh install of the latest ubuntu, i can do this?...
16:35
Once you boot up the CD, hit F4. The "Modes" menu will pop up. Select "Install an LTSP Server". Now just move on with the install.
16:35
qoute taken from : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<vagrantc>
i'm not sure if the alternate install CD supports LTSP anymore, but you can always install it after-the-fact.
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<ogra_>
there is no alternate install cd anymore ... that might be the bigger blocker :)
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<pp20>
ok, thanks guys! appreciate the help... as always from irc :)
16:52
<||cw>
you can install the minimal server and then install the desktop package you want, then the ltsp package
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<ogra_>
or use the edubuntu iso ... it has an option in the livecd
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<JuJuBee>
I've been trying to get virtualbox installed into my image but everything I try leaves me with an error when running VB telling me to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup So I do and still get same error...
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<||cw>
JuJuBee: the vboxdrv need to be setup for the same kernel version and arch as the clients run
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so if the server is booted on a different version, or different arch, it'll fail
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<JuJuBee>
My server is amd64 and so is client
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<||cw>
one option is to boot one client in nfs read/write and let it do the work, then you can go back to RO
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<JuJuBee>
RO?
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<||cw>
read only
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<vagrantc>
eeyk.
17:12
<||cw>
vagrantc: is that no longer the way?
17:12* vagrantc wonders why people still use virtualbox
17:12
<||cw>
oh
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<vagrantc>
it seems to require some ugly hacks just to get it to do simple things
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<JuJuBee>
vagrantc: what should I use... I want the students to be able to install/reinstall windows/linux to play with different OS's
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<vagrantc>
i guess i'm just stuck on qemu (with kvm support) and virt-manager ... but basically anything that uses qemu/kvm
17:15
i guess it requires virtualization capable hardware and a linux host...
17:15
<JuJuBee>
I have fairly new hardware (less than 2 years) and use linux hosts
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<vagrantc>
well, give it a try :)
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<xjunin>
Hi
18:49
I need the documentation epoptes
19:01
<gbaman_>
xjunin: you need the documentation for epoptes?
19:03
http://www.epoptes.org/documentation ?
19:07
<xjunin>
Yes, but not find any file
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<gbaman_>
xjunin: what about that link?
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<vagrantc>
xjunin: do you have a specific problem with epoptes, or you just want the documentation?
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<alkisg_web>
jammcq: hi! Type this: /msg chanserv access #ltsp list
20:00
....and then, please update the list to give someone that lurks here, access to change the topic etc...
20:00
We haven't seen knipwim in a long time, so someone that is around should have op...
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<jammcq>
wow, that's an old list
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: and consequently, an old topic :)
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<izzy__>
Hello everyone
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