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| 08:49 | <ageis> im noticing that people are using NFS instead of NBD now. is that better?
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| 08:53 | <alkisg> How are you noticing that?
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| 08:54 | I think people are mostly using NBD...
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| 08:55 | <ageis> in LTSP 5.5. the built-image all gives NFS as default in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> In what distribution/version?
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| 08:55 | The default depends on the distribution, not on the ltsp version
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| 08:55 | <ageis> debian jessie
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| 08:55 | <alkisg> Right, debian defaults to NFS
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| 08:56 | Ubuntu defaults to NBD
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| 08:56 | And, some debian users switch to NBD too...
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| 08:56 | <ageis> i havent been able to get nbd working on either debian or jessie though. constantly "cannot connect to NBD server" errors. have tried so much. but NFS works nice so I think I might do that
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> If you want to troubleshoot it, ask. If you want to choose NFS, do so. Compressed NBD is about 5 times faster than plain NFS, but for thin clients, that mostly affects boot times only.
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| 08:57 | NBD mostly matters for ltsp fat clients, not for thins
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| 08:58 | <ageis> we were using nbd for thins. I've been troubleshooting for 24 hours straight. I've posted some of my configs and asked for help.
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| 08:58 | if you want, take a look: https://gist.github.com/ageis/ca7cbfa1b78523d7316a (these have been tweaked in many ways)
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| 08:59 | <alkisg> If you want to solve it, I suggest a shared vnc session, it will take 5 minutes, as opposed to 50 minutes of reading online logs...
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| 08:59 | !vnc
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| 08:59 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'vnc', but I do know about these similar topics: 'x11vnc', 'kvm-vnc', 'vnc-plinet'
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| 09:00 | <ageis> I run x11vnc persistently, but it's password protected, and I'd rather not give a stranger access to my desktop.
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| 09:00 | I can let you observe while I demonstrate.
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> !learn vnc-alkisg as To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect alkisg.no-ip.org This is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
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| 09:01 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 09:01 | <ageis> alkisg, I don't need this helpp, I already know the commands.
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| 09:01 | ok so
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> ageis: No worries, I don't mind
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| 09:01 | <ageis> this will share my screen, but no control?
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| 09:01 | for you?
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| 09:01 | <alkisg> I'm just helping daily 10+ teachers here, and that's the fastest thing for help
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| 09:01 | No that's with control
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| 09:02 | You'd need a -viewonly for view only
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| 09:02 | But your configuration is a lot screwed up
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| 09:02 | So, it will need much time to tell you what to run, what to fix, to give commands, to give feedback etc
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| 09:02 | <ageis> I'd prefer viewonly, but I'll show you everything and maybe if you have any ideas we can go from there.
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Sorry, I don't have that much time
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| 09:03 | Btw I'm an LTSP developer, if it helps your feelings
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| 09:03 | <ageis> you jsut offered. you're saying you don't have enough time unless you have input access/
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| 09:03 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 09:03 | <ageis> lol
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| 09:04 | <alkisg> I do have 5 minutes, but not 50
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| 09:04 | I'm sorry, but I do that 10 times a day, I really know what I'm talking about
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| 09:04 | Anyway, good luck :)
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| 09:04 | <ageis> yes, I'd appreciate your help. let's start in 1 min, i have to tidy something.
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| 09:06 | <alkisg> ageis: let's start by stating your goals. I suggest: dnsmasq in proxydhcp mode, no tftpd-hpa, and nbd
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| 09:06 | dnsmasq will do the tftp too
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| 09:06 | And, tftp in /var/lib/tftpboot, not in /srv/tftp
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| 09:06 | <ageis> I have dnsmasq in proxydhcp, i have tftpd-hpa (what's wrong with that, you'd rather use dnsmasq for it?) and i use nbd-server
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> Because those are the defaults for ltsp-config
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| 09:07 | ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite will give you a clean configuration, and ltsp-config nbd too
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| 09:07 | <ageis> oh ok.. i can move that, had been using /srv/tftp
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| 09:07 | <alkisg> No need to diverge from the defaults for no specific reason
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| 09:08 | Give me a root shell somewhere, and you'll see the history of the commands afterwards for your internal documentation of what we did
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| 09:08 | <ageis> yeah, have done those
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| 09:08 | <alkisg> OK, give the vnc command as stated above ^ when you're ready
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| 09:10 | <ageis> yup
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| 09:14 | <alkisg> ageis: are you using amd64 or i386 for the chroot?
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| 09:15 | <ageis> i386
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| 09:16 | thanks for backing up stuff
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| 09:17 | will dnsmasq now take over the tftp? tftp-hpa is still running.
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| 09:17 | oh lol
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| 09:17 | right as you do that
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| 09:17 | damn you a pro :)
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| 09:18 | i had those inetd.conf things commented out before... but I'd been trying both inetd and nbd-server to see if either would work
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| 09:20 | can you check my lts.conf too
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| 09:21 | thats alternately been /opt/ltsp/i386 or ltsp_i386
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| 09:23 | also check my ltsp-update-images.conf plz
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| 09:25 | sorry about that. it works after a reboot sometimes.
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> Where do you see the dnsmasq logs?
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| 09:27 | We'll chech ltsp-update-image.conf after it boots...
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| 09:27 | <ageis> dont think there are any..
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| 09:27 | hm
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> The ltsp_i386 was a temporary thing only for 12.04, the proper is /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 09:27 | In ubuntu, I have /var/log/syslog, I have daemon.log etc
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| 09:27 | You have those too in Jessie, but why are they empty? It's already switched to systemd?
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| 09:28 | Vbox works much better with the extension pack and the intel nic
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| 09:28 | <ageis> i think I turned some of em off.
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| 09:28 | let me check
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| 09:29 | anything look missing here?
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| 09:29 | extension pack i.e. guest addons? I was told this particular card was best for PXE
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| 09:30 | im down to switch the virtual interface tho
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| 09:31 | oh there ya go
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| 09:31 | try restarting vm completely
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> ageis: you try it
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| 09:32 | Somehow the mouse doesn't behave well for me
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| 09:32 | (12:29:31 μμ) ageis: extension pack i.e. guest addons? I was told this particular card was best for PXE => no, guest addons are a different thing
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| 09:32 | <ageis> heh yea i try to jump in quick but its no good fighting over mouse
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> extension pack is firmware for intel nics, for pxe
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| 09:33 | <ageis> so these intel ones will work fine ?
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.3.12/
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| 09:33 | They won't work at all, unless (1) you use ipxe.iso, or (2) install the extension pack
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| 09:33 | Let's go for (2)
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| 09:34 | Sorry
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| 09:34 | I shouldn't even try to use the mouse :D
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| 09:34 | Check your virtualbox version
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| 09:34 | <ageis> its the latest
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| 09:34 | fully updated
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> Specifically?
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| 09:34 | Tell me number
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| 09:34 | <ageis> 4.3.12 r93733
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| 09:35 | now how do you load the pack?
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| 09:35 | oh i got it
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.3.12/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-4.3.12-93733.vbox-extpack
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| 09:35 | Either let the browser open it, or via vbox
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| 09:35 | <ageis> installed
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| 09:35 | now what?
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> OK, try with the intel nic
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| 09:36 | And let's see the dnsmasq logs too
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| 09:37 | <ageis> i dont think we setup dnsmasq for tftp did we?
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| 09:37 | or we did...
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| 09:39 | dont i need nbdroot and nbdproxy=false and nbdport in my default file?
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| 09:39 | that ties into the ltsp-update-image.conf which we'll get to.
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> The problem is that dnsmasq doesn't hook :69 for tftp, while it should
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| 09:41 | ageis: do you have anything like eg. a firewall or some custom configuration against that?
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| 09:41 | <ageis> nope not at all
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| 09:41 | tftp-hda was working fine
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| 09:42 | ha there it is
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| 09:43 | extra running dnsmasq process, knew it
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| 09:44 | there we go...
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> ageis: see why I don't want to use IRC for such messed up setups? :D
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| 09:45 | <ageis> now this looks like my /etc/nbd-client within hte image, right?
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> Missing /etc/dnsmasq.d/README made the service not start, without any messages...
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| 09:45 | <ageis> oh weird you cant delete a readme
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| 09:46 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 09:46 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 09:49 | <ageis> sorry
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| 09:49 | one sec
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| 09:50 | i just switched the vm to 64-bit
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> No need
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| 09:50 | The problem was that you created nbd-server.allow
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| 09:50 | <ageis> oh? but it had all the appropriate ips in it...
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| 09:51 | nbdroot and nbdport are not set in default atm
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> ageis: switch the vm back to 32 bit
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| 09:51 | There's no need for nbdroot nor for nbdport
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| 09:51 | <ageis> i see
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| 09:52 | curious about this /sbin/init-ltsp thing
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> Ah ok now the problem is that you have an older ltsp version, from 12.04
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| 09:54 | I think that one does need nbdroot, let me check...
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| 09:54 | <ageis> older ltsp within the image right?
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> ageis: btw, why 12.04 for the chroot?
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| 09:54 | Yes
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| 09:55 | <ageis> alkisg: the actual host is actually 12.04 too, im just testing this at home for the moment :P
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| 09:55 | <alkisg> Haha... so you're testing switching from nfs to nbd, while the actual server already has nbd? :D
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| 09:55 | <ageis> no haven't been able to get this work here or there
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| 09:55 | im gonna have to copy the stuff you did over to there
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| 09:56 | <alkisg> Mainly, I reverted your own configuration, back to the ltsp defaults...
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| 09:56 | Let me see what was needed after 12.04 to avoid the server's ip in the command line...
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| 09:56 | <ageis> i was getting far before. Ubuntu splash screen, etc.
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| 09:57 | then it would dump to Cannot connect to NBD server
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| 09:57 | and busybox
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> The splash screen is the same, ie it comes from the initramfs
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| 09:57 | It didn't get further
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| 09:57 | Now nbd works, and you only have a command -line issue
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| 09:57 | <ageis> oh ok
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| 09:57 | so its just cause quiet and splash is off
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 09:57 | <ageis> makes sense
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| 09:58 | i have to say you're quite a pro, and I thought I was a pretty good sysadmin
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> You are!
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| 09:58 | I'm not a sysadmin, I'm a windows programmer :P :D
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| 09:58 | Haha
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| 09:59 | OK let me check the cmdline
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| 09:59 | <ageis> i had all these before append ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=/sbin/init-ltsp plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7 autoconf=dhcp nbdport=2000 nbdroot=192.168.1.2:ltsp_i386
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| 10:00 | i tried nbdport=192.168.1.2:2000 even
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| 10:00 | that seems to work sometimes
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| 10:00 | but im missing that init-ltsp thing
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| 10:01 | btw is NBD_TYPE=f or r
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| 10:01 | (/etc/nbd-client) in image
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| 10:02 | Unterminated quote string
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> Err ok that nbd-client configuration file isn't used
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| 10:05 | <ageis> alright
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| 10:05 | <alkisg> But, what about the syntax error? Have you changed any files in the chroot, after that last time that you run ltsp-update-kernels?
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| 10:05 | <ageis> there was an ltsp-nbd script in initramfs-tools/scripts before but it's gone now
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| 10:06 | i'm inclined to chroot in, update the initramfs, then ltsp-update-kernels
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Because now I only pasted 5 lines from upstream, to udhcp, and it produced a syntax error, which wasn't supposed to happen...
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| 10:06 | No, don't
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| 10:06 | <ageis> ok
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| 10:07 | oh im looking at the bash code for init-ltsp
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| 10:11 | ah now the other thing I wanted you to look at ?
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| 10:12 | no modifications to init-ltsp, md5sum is same from ubuntu precise's pkg
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> ageis: the problem was in lts.conf, you had an extra " there
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| 10:12 | <ageis> alkisg: hoorah!
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| 10:12 | <alkisg> :)
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| 10:12 | <ageis> alkisg: thank you for the expert help
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> ageis: oh well, it took 1 hour
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| 10:13 | Too many issues, we'd need many many hours over plain irc
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> Ah, we didn't look ltsp-update-kernels, keep your pxelinux.cfg/ltsp in backups
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| 10:14 | So as to restore it if ltsp-update-kernels breaks it due to messed up configuration
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| 10:14 | <ageis> ok
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> So, starting from plain 12.04, you would only need nbdroot, or the patch to udhcp that I applied, nothing more
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| 10:15 | The rest was just undoing changes...
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| 10:15 | <ageis> and copying the dnsmasq config too
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| 10:15 | or just doing that with ltsp-config ? no customizations?
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| 10:16 | and what's the patch to udhcp?
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> Just ltsp-config dnsmasq --overwrite
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| 10:16 | Diff the udhcp from backups/, with the modified one
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| 10:17 | About ltsp-confid dnsmasq, you might need to change amd64 to i386 if you're using amd64 server and i386 client in the production environment too
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| 10:17 | <ageis> gotcha
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| 10:18 | that is gonna be the case :) only the kernel will be amd64 but rest of server os is i386
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| 10:20 | what was wrong with authfile=allow ?
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| 10:21 | <alkisg> No idea, I just reverted to the defaults
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| 10:21 | Btw, some nbd-server versions did have problems parsing the auth file
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| 10:21 | I filed a bug about it, it was solved, but I don't remember in which nbd version
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| 10:21 | So that's why the default in ltsp still is not to use an auth file
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| 10:22 | <ageis> so its totally fine to just leave authfile blank then?
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| 10:22 | <alkisg> Try the changes you want with baby steps, so that you see which one breaks it :)
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| 10:23 | I think blank authfile will mean "no clients are authorized"
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| 10:23 | While, non-existing authfile means "all clients are authorized"
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| 10:23 | Try it
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| 10:23 | The bug I mentioned was wrong parsing, i.e. nothing worked wrt authentication
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| 10:23 | <ageis> does lts.conf have to exist both in tftpboot and in ./tftpboot/ltsp/i386 or just the latter?
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| 10:23 | sure thing
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| 10:24 | <alkisg> Just the latter
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| 10:24 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=676678
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| 10:24 | That's the bug ^
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| 10:24 | <ageis> okay :)
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| 10:24 | okay last Q is in my query, look at that config and let me know if theres extra options...
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| 10:29 | heh, the ltsp-config cmd apparently doesn't work in 5.3
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| 10:29 | er doesn't exist
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| 10:30 | alkisg: you think the trusty ltsp-server packages would work on precise?
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> !greek-ppa
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| 10:32 | <ltsp> Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> !greek-schools-ppa | echo ageis:
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| 10:33 | <ltsp> ageis: greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> ageis: I maintain that ^, it does have precise packages of the latest upstream ltsp versions
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| 10:33 | <ageis> thats awesome!
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| 10:33 | thank ye
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> I think actually most precise users are using that, instead of the ubuntu one...
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| 10:33 | :D
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| 10:33 | <ageis> you saved me a ton this morning
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| 10:34 | * alkisg accepts visa, paypal etc | |
| 10:34 | <alkisg> :P
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| 10:34 | Have a good one, /me waves...
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| 10:34 | <ageis> msg me your paypal
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| 11:31 | <Hyperbyte> I'll message you mine, if that's okay too, ageis.
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| 11:32 | <ageis> Hyperbyte: I don't see why sir
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| 11:32 | <Hyperbyte> :(
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| 17:29 | <xiphias256> Hi! I'm struggling with quad screen setup with nvidia driver (basemosaic) on ubuntu 14.04. It seems that I could do everything within lts.conf. Saves me from updating the thin-client image every time I'm testing new xorg.conf file. But the documentation is vague. Does anyone have a example?
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