IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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05:27
<alkisg>
Good morning. What's the correct preposition? "this software can also be installed on debian-based labs" or "in debian-based labs"?
05:35
<knipwim>
software is installed on computers, i would say
05:36
perhaps this installing takes place in debian-based labs
05:38
<alkisg>
Thanks, /me updates the epoptes.org site accordingly... :)
05:39
knipwim: if you ever want to do a gentoo package for epoptes, I'd be glad to help however I can :)
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06:04
<laurei>
hi guys, i have one simple question, how do i know if I am running the thin client or fat client
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06:08
<alkisg>
laurei: run `hostname` and see if you get the server name or e.g. ltsp123
06:08
<laurei>
alkisg: ok, what should i look for?
06:09
<alkisg>
laurei: how is your server called?
06:09
If you open a terminal on the client, you'll see your prompt like "laurei@server" or "laurei@ltsp123"
06:09
The first means that you're on the server, since you see your server hostname (DNS name) there
06:10
<laurei>
oh, yes its digopolis on all my machines
06:10
this means its thin client?
06:10
<alkisg>
That means you're using thin clients
06:10
Another way to verify it is to check for the ltsp server package: dpkg -l ltsp-server
06:10
<laurei>
not happy, i have gigs of ram, i want a fat client, installed according to directions but didnt work
06:10
<alkisg>
Which directions?
06:11
<laurei>
help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
06:11
<alkisg>
!fatclients
06:11
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
06:11
<laurei>
running 11.10
06:12
<alkisg>
The URL you just posted says: This page is specific to Ubuntu versions 7.10, 8.04, 8.10. For later versions, please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients instead.
06:12
So, delete your chroot and follow the other page
06:12
<laurei>
:) thankyou i'll do that
06:13
cant see the forest through the trees
06:13
<alkisg>
:)
06:13
<laurei>
oh, actually, no i just pasted the wrong url, i did install according to this
06:14
created a config file, seeds, and ran installer
06:14
<alkisg>
OK, so, let's start troubleshooting
06:14
On your server, run: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot /opt/ltsp/images
06:14
What's the output?
06:16
<laurei>
both files exist
06:16
is it strange that pxe points to i386.tmp?
06:16
<alkisg>
Size of the second one?
06:17
If you have 2 files in images/, I'd like to know :)
06:17
I don't want to lose the forest :)
06:17
So please paste the whole output here
06:17
<laurei>
ok i'll try get an ssh, running through teamviewer and through another xen vm manager
06:18
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37 2011-10-19 01:30 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_fat_chroot
06:19
total 545392
06:19
-rw -r --r-- 1 root root 558477312 2011-10-18 02:26 i386.img
06:19
this is all
06:19
<alkisg>
That's not big enough to be a fat chroot
06:20
Let's try another way: du -sh /opt/ltsp/i386/
06:20
<laurei>
609 M /opt/ltsp/i386
06:21
<alkisg>
Yes that's a tihn chroot, fat ones are a lot bigger than 1 Gb
06:21
Delete that chroot and follow the wiki page again, and watch for any errors
06:21
<laurei>
so the installer had errors i think
06:21
yes i can check form the scrollback
06:21
i thought it worked because i'd already delted the i386
06:21
and it works
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06:22
<alkisg>
Maybe it didn't install some of the necessary packages that would make it a fat, the errors would tell us
06:22
<laurei>
pastebin anwyere?
06:23
<alkisg>
!pastebin
06:23
<ltsp>
alkisg: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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06:25
<laurei>
http://pastebin.com/yJEKSEJC
06:28
the last line is LTSP client install ended abnormally
06:29
<alkisg>
Run: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xdiagnose
06:29
So that we see why it doesn't want to get installed
06:29
<laurei>
btw a brand new ubuntu alt install on xen
06:30
386
06:30
<alkisg>
It's possible that in oneiric, network-manager is an indirect ubuntu-desktop dependency, that's why it fails, the above command should tell us
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06:33
<laurei>
some packages couldnt be installed, this may mean you requested impossible situation or if yoou'r using unstable distro taht some req. packs aren't created or have been moved from incoming. following info may help:
06:33
the following backs have unmet deps:
06:33
xdiagnose: depends: apportbutit is not installable
06:33
e:unable to correct probs, you have held broken packs
06:34
<alkisg>
Continue with: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install apport
06:35
<laurei>
pack apport is not avail. but is referred to by another pack. missing, obsolete, or is only available from another source
06:35
<alkisg>
Ah ok, got it
06:36
<laurei>
e: Package 'apport' has no installation candidate
06:36
<alkisg>
ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-fat-client:Package: network-manager modemmanager ubufox apport jockey-common
06:36
<laurei>
this is a command?
06:36
<alkisg>
The fat client plugin blacklists apport, it needs to be removed
06:36
No, so, here's what you need to do:
06:36
sudo vi /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-fat-client
06:37
In line 43 you'll see "apport" somewhere
06:37
Remove that word, then save the file, and delete your chroot and run ltsp-build-client again
06:44* alkisg updates the wiki page...
06:44
<laurei>
its started
06:45
took 10 mins last time at least
06:45
do you think this would cause a fatal?
06:45
i guess it threw me because i removed the whole chroot but it started working again after the install
06:46
<alkisg>
This this is fatal
06:47
OK, I updated the wiki about the Oneiric problem
06:51
<laurei>
will my user accounts be the same in thin/fat?
06:51
<alkisg>
Yes
06:51
<laurei>
im just wondering how my network image scanner will cope with this
06:52
it has a scan to button, and not sure if it just listens or sets to a hostname
06:53
big wonderful world of ltsp
07:01
<alkisg>
laurei: please also file a bug about your problem so that it's properly solved in the next ubuntu version
07:01
!ltsp-ubuntu-bug
07:01
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "ltsp-ubuntu-bug" is not a valid command.
07:01
<alkisg>
!bug
07:01
<ltsp>
alkisg: I do not know about 'bug', but I do know about these similar topics: 'upstream-bug', 'ubuntu-bug', 'ltsp-bug'
07:01
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-bug
07:01
<ltsp>
alkisg: ubuntu-bug: (#1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug, or (#2) To file a bug report for Ubuntu LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
07:01
<alkisg>
!forget ubuntu-bug 1
07:01
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
07:01
<alkisg>
You may also just reply in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/619398
07:06
<laurei>
thanks for all your work, I'll get someone to send you some beer money can I?
07:09
<alkisg>
Hehe sure all devs accept beers or pizzas :)
07:22
<laurei>
got an email?
07:22
<alkisg>
alkisg at gmail
07:23
!forget ubuntu-bug
07:23
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
07:23
<alkisg>
!learn ubuntu-bug as To file a bug report for Ubuntu LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp
07:23
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
07:24
<laurei>
thanks again
07:24
<alkisg>
You're welcome, good luck with the rest
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09:30
<DawnLight>
hey everyone
09:31
how is everyhone
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09:36
<Hyperbyte>
DawnLight, answering that question would require global telepathy.
09:45
<DawnLight>
Hyperbyte: i'll ask the illuminati to GPL that library
09:46
i'm researching about the use of linux desktop sessions over the internet
09:46
the problem i immediately think of is video playback
09:47
any comments on that?
09:47
particularly very helpful insights
09:48
<alkisg>
nx is a good way to have sessions over the internet
09:48
For video inside the session over e.g. adsl line, nothing would work, except for mounting the video file locally and playing it locally
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09:50
<DawnLight>
how about using fat clients and "local apps"
09:50
alkisg: does local apps work like that?
09:51
<alkisg>
DawnLight: start with "how do I boot LTSP over the internet"? first...
09:51
<DawnLight>
that part would seem to at least in first thought be doable
09:51
<alkisg>
And, even before that, "why do I need ltsp to boot over the internet"?
09:52
<DawnLight>
yes, or at least that i would not need to
09:52
the bandwidth is what a bit worries me
09:52
<alkisg>
You usually already have an OS there, right? so why would you need ltsp?
09:52
You can mount a dir from the ltsp server to your home, that would be something like a fat client
09:52
<DawnLight>
well i'm not sure i need ltsp but in this channel i figured i would get some answers
09:53
<alkisg>
True, so start by telling us what do you need. Is it remote sessions? Only remote files?
09:53
<DawnLight>
i thougt there was a 'local apps' feature. why do you suggest mouting stuff like this
09:53
what i'm looking for is
09:53
but you have to keep it a secret
09:53
cloud desktop
09:54
<alkisg>
The channels are logged in public, but don't worry, only the internet users will know
09:54* Hyperbyte laughs out loud
09:54* Hyperbyte high fives alkisg
09:54* alkisg high fives back, but with closed fingers :P
09:54
<Hyperbyte>
:(
09:54
<alkisg>
(the mountza stuff we talked the other day :D)
09:54
<Hyperbyte>
Yes. :(
09:54
I remember. :(
09:54* Hyperbyte sulks
09:55
<alkisg>
DawnLight: LTSP is best suited for LAN, e.g. an ADSL line doesn't suffice to boot or use LTSP clients
09:55
They'd go very slowly
09:55
<DawnLight>
don't cry
09:55
<alkisg>
What bandwidth are you thinking of?
09:55
1 mbps? 20?
09:55
<DawnLight>
ahm... i'm thinking of 100
09:55
down
09:55
<alkisg>
Eh, ok, if you have 100 mbps for *each* client that's a lot
09:56
But I was talking about the client side
09:56
<DawnLight>
yes
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09:56
<DawnLight>
100mbps is like... not expensive here
09:56
<alkisg>
Well if you have 100mbps bandwidth for each client, then that's no normal internet :D You could use LTSP with that, sure
09:56
<DawnLight>
again, the problem is video
09:56
<alkisg>
Nope
09:57
With fat clients video isn't a problem
09:57
Or localapps etc
09:57
<DawnLight>
oh
09:57
so what are you saying
09:57
<alkisg>
Also, video isn't much of a problem with regular thin clients, with 100mbps for each
09:57
<DawnLight>
not each
09:57
<alkisg>
(12:55:56 μμ) alkisg: Eh, ok, if you have 100 mbps for *each* client that's a lot
09:57
<DawnLight>
right
09:57
<Hyperbyte>
DawnLight, let me blunt: LTSP isn't what you're looking for.
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09:58
<Hyperbyte>
*be.. blunt
09:58
<DawnLight>
please be
09:58
nx, you're suggesting?
09:58
<alkisg>
DawnLight: so, will your clients have 100mbps connections to your server?
09:58
If so, ltsp is fine
09:58
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, his server will only have one 100mbps connection
09:59
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: fat clients can live with that
09:59
<DawnLight>
how much do you think each client should have for streaming those common 480 youtubes
09:59
the server could have more
09:59
<alkisg>
1 mbps
09:59
<DawnLight>
really
09:59
<alkisg>
Fat clients, yes
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09:59
<alkisg>
They'd need about 30 mb to boot
09:59
<DawnLight>
so and the fat clients actually work seemlessly?
09:59
<Hyperbyte>
DawnLight, doesn't matter if you have fat clients. The videos would be played locally.
09:59
<alkisg>
Then it's just a remote file system with 100mbps speed, shared
10:00
<DawnLight>
what? the videos are plaid locally?
10:00
<alkisg>
Yes
10:00
<Hyperbyte>
How are you going to PXE boot over the internet? You'd need a local DHCP server for every client, wouldn't you?
10:00
<alkisg>
No, a cd with gpxe is fine
10:00
<DawnLight>
you mean that the video is streamed from the streaming lets say youtube server to the CLIENT directly/
10:00
<alkisg>
For fat clients, yes
10:01
And also it may not even use your server connection to reach youtube (if you prefer that)
10:01
It can just take the os + /home from your server
10:02
Imagine booting the clients from a usb stick, and mounting /home from your server - that would be the result wrt performance
10:02
<DawnLight>
if the firefox/flashplugin is local then why would it use the server connection to reach youtube?
10:02
<alkisg>
(except they'd use the server nbd image instead of a usb stick)
10:02
It's configurable, you may want to filter things and use nat on your server to do it
10:03
<DawnLight>
it is configurable?
10:04* DawnLight sits quitely but inside is in awe of the mighty glory of god
10:05
<alkisg>
Summary: you put gpxe in a floppy, cd, usb stick, or hard disk
10:05
A user boots his diskless pc with that
10:05
It gets an ip from the local dhcp server, e.g. a router
10:05
Then it sets next-server=your server
10:05
And downloads the kernel etc from there, and mounts the nbd disk from there, etc etc
10:05
Then the user logs in on your server, but the apps run locally
10:06
<Hyperbyte>
DawnLight, your 100mbit connections, do they use static of dynamic IP's?
10:06
<alkisg>
Now, if you want to use your server as a proxy, of course you can configure that
10:06
<DawnLight>
dynamic
10:06
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
10:06
<DawnLight>
the server could be behind static and have a ginormous bandwidth
10:06
<alkisg>
And the user files are stored in your server and accessed with ssh (ldm uses that for login) for security
10:07
<DawnLight>
and this means that constant bandwidth for the /home is use
10:08
at least on some use cases
10:08
but if it is mostly just browser stuff...
10:08
what about the /tmp directoy?
10:09
for example it would be funny if a streaming video gets streamed from the streamer like youtube to the client which is a fat client only to be stored in the /tmp on the ltsp server
10:11
<Hyperbyte>
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
10:11
<DawnLight>
so it is ram?
10:11
or what are you trying to say?
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs
10:12
<DawnLight>
i don't know how i deduced that
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
(you deduced correctly)
10:13
<alkisg>
You can also use local storage, if your clients have that
10:13
Do they?
10:13
<DawnLight>
i'd very much like to get rid of local storage
10:13
<alkisg>
Well then what were you planning to use instead of the server /tmp?
10:14
<DawnLight>
i'm aiming at centralization of all resources
10:14
i wasn't planning i'm exploring the possibilities
10:14
<alkisg>
Your clients will use the tmpfs, and if you provide them with (encrypted?) NBD_SWAP, they'll swap over the network in the server /tmp
10:14
<DawnLight>
and you're helping me mucho
10:15
<alkisg>
That should be a good plan, to use the tmpfs first and nbd_swap if the tmpfs gets full
10:16
<DawnLight>
is there some kind of combination that would allow using the server's processing resource while still having critical stuff like videos sent to the thin clients directly?
10:16
or is there no need for that at all?
10:16
<alkisg>
If your clients can play youtube videos locally, they have the cpu to run all other things too, imho
10:17
<DawnLight>
as it would be ok to just have the video streamed once from the youtube to the server and the x session to the thin clients
10:18
is this a question of bandwidth only or is there something more?
10:19
<alkisg>
That's called "localapps". I don't see any advantage with localapps vs fat clients in your case.
10:19
Localapps are handy for "install an app on the server, and all the clients get it instantly"
10:19
But they require more bandwidth because of the X traffic for the session etc
10:20
<DawnLight>
they get it instantly anyway, don't thye?
10:21
i mean they are logged in to the server aren't they? or are you talking about using local apps with fat clients
10:21
i realize i'm making a mess
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<andygraybeal>
:)
10:42
<DawnLight>
hey andygraybeal
10:43
<andygraybeal>
:))) heya
10:43
what'd you mess up?
10:43
was there a conversation going before i joined?
10:43
you don't have to catch me up if so
10:44
<alkisg>
DawnLight: nope, if you have questions that weren't answered above, just ask them again
10:52
<DawnLight>
well i was wondering since you mentioned something about 1mbps being enough... as long as clients have enough bandwidth would video playback be cool if they were completely thin clients?
10:52
<alkisg>
It would be enough for the question you asked, not in general
10:52
I.e. "how much bandwidth to stream a youtube video for fat clients"
10:53
That's the same question as "how much bandwidth do I need to stream youtube video from youtube"
10:53
Video playback needs width * height * bits per pixel * frames per second
10:54
For 1024x768 full screen youtube video, that's about 300 mbps
10:54
Xvideo is more conservative, it needs video width * video height * 12 bpp * frames per second
10:54
For a divx video, that's about 50 mbps
10:55
But flash doesn't use xvideo
10:55
Also you need to take into account your latency, not only your bandwidth
10:55
Latency shows much more on X sessions (thin clients) than on disk access (fat clients or localapps)
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10:57
<DawnLight>
so if i want decent video in multiple ltsp clients i won't be opting for completely thin clients - can i deduce that?
10:58
considering we're talking about over-the-internet-ltsp
10:58
or over-the-internet-x-session
10:58
or not x session
10:59
<alkisg>
Yes, you can deduce that
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<DawnLight_>
so...
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11:02
<andygraybeal>
totally unrelatd, but interesting none the less.. a private "zoo" owner released all his animals and committed suicide is the rumor about 100 miles north of us.
11:02
wild cats, giraffes, bears, wolfs.. etc :)
11:04
<DawnLight>
i'd go north
11:04
fast
11:04
my sis actually works at the zoo
11:05
she'd never do such a thing
11:05
its not in her nature
11:08
nah
11:10
<andygraybeal>
:)
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11:12
<knipwim>
andygraybeal: where are you located?
11:14
<andygraybeal>
southeastern ohio
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11:27
<andygraybeal>
wow basque region is close to zarazoga
11:28
my business is trying to be autonomous :) following after the principals of basque region in spain.
11:28
i see the libre software world conference is just south of that in zarazoga
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11:30
<andygraybeal>
you guys are all so lucky to be so close to this stuff :)
11:30
maybe one day, i'll be economy class jet set :)
11:32
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, what nonsense from the zoo owner...
11:33
Like wild animals would survive.
11:33
He'd have better paid someone to put them back in the wildlife, and THEN comitted suicide.
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<andygraybeal>
yea, i think the locals thinkg he was crazy
11:36
it's about $700 for a flight to spain from here; round trip.
11:37
i would love to go there, but my ignorance would be embarrassing
11:40
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, $700 round trip to Spain from Ohio?
11:40
That's dirt cheap.
11:40
<andygraybeal>
yes :)
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<DawnLight>
i think there should be antigrav
11:42
open hardware
11:42
like TI FlightJacket xm
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12:03
<laurei>
hello guys, girls, any direction for creating a "normal" interface for a fat client in oneiric, i installed one, and it doesnt have unity, no shell, no firefox, no anything
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<DawnLight>
laurei, i'm about to get into this mself
12:26
<laurei>
i selected ubuntu 2d in sessions and alas i have everything back
12:27
<DawnLight>
i'm about to read on what it takes to set up fat clients. laurei, do you have a link for me?
12:29
<laurei>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
12:29
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients for old
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12:39
<DawnLight>
alkisg, i'm not finding any info on booting or just logging in to ltsp over internet
12:39
<alkisg>
Did you download gpxe?
12:39
<DawnLight>
will do
12:40
i didn't know where to start
12:40
and which ports to open on the server
12:40
and the whole process i'd like to understand
12:40
<alkisg>
DawnLight: use google translate on this forum post: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=1451.msg24373#msg24373
12:40
First install ltsp locally, to understand how it works
12:40
Then you'll open the necessary ports and use gpxe like I say above
12:41
<DawnLight>
i've done ltsp over lan before there's nothing much only the dhcp server to configure
12:41
and the tftp server
12:42
and to build the client images
12:42
thats about it
12:42
<alkisg>
Right, so you're only missing the gpxe bit and the ports then
12:42
<DawnLight>
aight thanks
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<laurei>
strange bug! LTSP logs in perfectly fine but after it's logged in the same password doesnt work for authenticated tasks
12:53
on fat client
12:54
<alkisg>
It's not a bug, it's a feature :D
12:55
The password is not stored in the client /etc/shadow for security purposes
12:55
Why would you need sudo on a fat client?
12:55
<laurei>
i tried on the real machine to install mythtv-frontend and it worked, i rebooted a fat client and its not installed, so i decided to do it from the client
12:56
<alkisg>
It wouldn't work from the client, it would only install it to the client RAM, not on the server disk
12:56
Did you run ltsp-update-image?
12:56
<laurei>
i need to do this every time i install something?
12:56
<alkisg>
!ltsp-update-image
12:56
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-update-image: If you use NBD (e.g. Ubuntu), every time you change something in your chroot (e.g. /opt/ltsp/i386), you need to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the thin clients for the changes to take effect
12:57
<alkisg>
So yes, unless you switch to NFS (which is slower)
12:57
<laurei>
oh sweet, thanks, doing admin tasks from real machine is fine for me, just a gotcha. i'll update image
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<laurei>
can i get an x session running from the backend chroot if i need to do some admin with a gui interface?
13:01
<alkisg>
Not easily
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<laurei>
how would i do admin tasks eg install software that needs gui configuration
13:05
from a vendor package
13:08
<alkisg>
Unfortunately chroots and X and dbus and gconf and other services don't mix well
13:09
If you absolutely have to, you could bind-mount the server /proc, /dev etc in the chroot, and run xhost + in your server, and then launch the app inside the chroot
13:10
Or you could expose your chroot via NFS, read-write, and netboot a single client over that
13:10* _UsUrPeR_ tips his hat
13:10
<alkisg>
You can't do it with a trivial method
13:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all. Does ltsp_localapps=true no longer work in 11.04/11.10?
13:10
<laurei>
sounds hardcore, i just want to install printer utilitys for an all in one brother
13:10
<alkisg>
Or you could wait until fat clients support booting a chroot via virtualbox :)
13:10
<Hyperbyte>
Hi Joel. :)
13:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
helloooo
13:11
<alkisg>
Hi _UsUrPeR_
13:11
<Hyperbyte>
I believe it's LOCALAPPS=True, not LTSP_LOCALAPPS
13:11
And it's True by default, so wouldn't have any effect anyways.
13:12
Localapps worked out of the box for me in 11.04, if that's what you're wondering about.
13:12
It's even LOCAL_APPS, according to the manpage, by the way.
13:13
And according to the manpage it's defaulting to false as well.
13:13
I stand corrected.
13:13
!lts.conf
13:13
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
13:15
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: no, don't stand, sit down again and read the man page again
13:16
It mentions localapps 2 times, I belive
13:16
The first time it says it's false, the second true
13:16
The true part is true :P
13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
heh
13:17
I was actually looking for the local_apps_menu functionality
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, haha... I sit uncorrected.
13:27
<alkisg>
:D
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14:33
<laurei>
alkisg am i understanding this right, there's no simple way to login as root / admin and perform administrative tasks via gdm?
14:33
on a fat client
14:35
<alkisg>
laurei: on a fat client, it's simple. On a fat chroot, it's not.
14:37
<laurei>
so if i use a client i can sudo and install software enjoyed by everyone?
14:37
<alkisg>
No
14:37
<laurei>
im going to cry
14:37
<alkisg>
They'd be installed in the tmpfs and lost on reboot
14:37
<laurei>
ok
14:37
<alkisg>
I told you from the start, the answer is no :)
14:38
You either need to go ..hardcore, or need to wait until we implement an easy method
14:38
...maybe a couple of years, if the others agree :)
14:38
<laurei>
almost every package i need installed uses some front end config tool
14:39
whats the simplest hardcore method :P
14:39
<alkisg>
Maybe exporting your chroot with nfs rw for a single client
14:39
I don't know of any docs about either method
14:42
<laurei>
nfs export chroot would seem a general enough linux concept if i guess right
14:49
<Gadi>
what are you installing that has a front end config tool for system files? usually those gui front ends modify the user's homedir
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<laurei>
Gadi: mythtv, and a brother network scanner config tool
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<laurei>
any way to change the default session to ubuntu 2d on fat clients?
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16:42
<andygraybeal>
is there a 'screen shot' of a virtual console login? the ldm i think it's called?
16:42
I'm documenting SCREENs (or virtual consoles as i'm calling them in the documents) for my users.
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<andygraybeal>
it isn't called a spash page ... ??
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17:32
<andygraybeal>
the logon screen
17:32
where can i find a picture of that
17:32
<alkisg>
andygraybeal: http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/21/ltsp-52-out/
17:32
<andygraybeal>
oh oh oh i found it!
17:32
http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/21/ltsp-52-out/
17:32
omg you beat me.
17:33
by two seconds!
17:33
thanks alkisg
17:33
<alkisg>
np
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<fellowEnt>
anyone had problems with rdesktop resolutions? we built a mini-itx intel atom system; it's doing 2048x768 for some reason
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20:38
<markit>
hi alkisg, I need help :)
20:39
I'm in the lab for the Linux Day
20:39
I'm trying to setup a certain screen resolution for a client
20:39
but seems to ignore the settings
20:39
I've in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
20:39
[01:00:02:A5:FC:B1:B5]
20:39
X_MODE_0=800x600
20:40
but ldm screen is in full resolution, and the monitor is stressed and could break
20:40
btw, anyone who knows the answer is welcomed :)
20:41
<alkisg>
markit: put XRANDR_MODE_0=800x600 instead
20:41
<markit>
also I've some random problems in the server, probably due to irq conflicts, right now I can't move the mouse anymore
20:41
<alkisg>
markit: also, you have too many numbers there
20:41
A mac address only has 6 bytes
20:41
Remove the 01: in front
20:42
<markit>
thanks
20:42
I'll try
20:43
kubuntu splash screen during boot
20:43
then "invalid card number"
20:44
(splash was at high res)
20:44
I've also put XSERVER=vesa
20:44
<alkisg>
markit: do you have sch-scripts running on that lab?
20:44
*epoptes
20:45
<markit>
yep
20:45
but can't use mouse, and I'm not that good with keyboard
20:45
<alkisg>
After invalid card number, did LDM appear?
20:45
<markit>
no
20:46
(before worked, then balck screen with invalid card, now instead black and invalid before ldm)
20:46
(ldm did not appeared)
20:46
hope this server troubles are due to the additional network card.. I do hate these problems
20:46
<alkisg>
markit: remove any lts.conf entries that you have for that client
20:46
<markit>
ok
20:46
<alkisg>
Reboot the client, and check if ldm runs
20:46
<markit>
remove or just #?
20:47
<alkisg>
#
20:47
But also the XSERVER part
20:48
<markit>
ok, ldm now
20:48
(probably at 1280x1024)
20:48
<alkisg>
OK, but no mouse on the server?
20:48
<markit>
no :(
20:49
I've epoptes started now
20:49
<alkisg>
Hmmm it'll be difficult to use epoptes then :D
20:49
<markit>
hehehe, hope phantomas will fix ;P
20:49
<alkisg>
OK, do another try:
20:49
<markit>
mmm no pc show in epoptes
20:50
<alkisg>
Now put XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 under [Default]
20:50
<markit>
I could reboot the server and login again
20:50
ok
20:50
<alkisg>
So that it surely affects the client
20:50
And reboot the client
20:50
<markit>
clever
20:51
<alkisg>
(11:49:45 μμ) markit: mmm no pc show in epoptes => did you install epoptes-client in the chroot?
20:51
<markit>
I've no memory, but the test before worked
20:52
I was able to see it... just really don't remember of having installed it but seems is there
20:52
(only broadcast teacher screen did not worked)
20:52
<alkisg>
Even if you don't install it, you can see the clients after they login
20:52
<markit>
(but was able to see thumbails and run vinagre)
20:52
<alkisg>
But if you install it in the chroot, you can also see them before login
20:52
<markit>
ah
20:52
so I've NOT installed in chroot
20:52
<alkisg>
And now this client didn't login, that's why you didn't see it
20:52
Right
20:53
<markit>
it's 800x60 as I set in [default]
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<markit>
so seems that does not get the macaddress settings
20:53
let me check lease file
20:53
<alkisg>
markit: it's also possible that it didn't like XSERVER=vesa
20:54
Try again to put that mac address, you can see it from epoptes with right click => properties
20:54
(after you reboot your server to get your mouse back :))
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<markit>
I was not able to see mac , do I have to install client in chroot for that also?
20:55
<alkisg>
Yeah :(
20:55
<markit>
I'ìve mac UPPERCASE, is it ok?
20:55
<alkisg>
It's ok
20:56
<markit>
seems to me to remember has to be uppercase
20:56
<alkisg>
I think it's case insensitive
20:57
<markit>
well, don't ask me why, now works
20:57
thanks very very much!!!
20:57
your help is invaluable
20:58
<alkisg>
np
21:02
<markit>
btw, is the "card number" a synthom of a different problem?
21:02
also I've one pc whith lcd that seems with the correct resolution, but after a while screen becomes black and you only have the mouse cursor
21:03
<alkisg>
Yes, it's an unrelated warning, I read a bug about it somewhere...
21:03
<markit>
I'm shocked that this brand new asus MB can't be expanded with additional nic without IRQ conflicts (it has fortunatly 2 on board)
21:03
<alkisg>
For the LCD screen, try adding nomodeset in pxelinux.cfg/default
21:04
<markit>
ehm, never heard of that settings, can be done "per client" base?
21:04
<alkisg>
Yes, but try it from the global file first, it's easier
21:04
!pxelinux.cfg
21:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "pxelinux.cfg" is not a valid command.
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<alkisg>
!nomodeset
21:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
21:04
<markit>
I can't take notes with copy and paste now, hope a log will be produced by konversation
21:05
interesting
21:06
ok, the client with the (now) lower resolution now has black screen and "invalid card number"
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<alkisg>
You mean after the nomodeset change?
21:07
<markit>
no, not tried
21:07
<alkisg>
It worked before, right? When did it break?
21:07
<markit>
no, never worked
21:07
<alkisg>
(11:57:31 μμ) markit: well, don't ask me why, now works
21:07
<markit>
before I had worse troubles with modem res, and I thought that black screen was due to that
21:07
<alkisg>
Were you talking about a different PC there?
21:07
<markit>
yep, works = lowe resolution
21:07
I've tried to lowe the resolution in vain
21:08
but still, after some time
21:08
(some minutes, while chatting with you)
21:08
become black with teh "no card number" error
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<markit>
so in any case, the too high resolution was not good for the CTR monitor, but was not the cause of "no card number", I think
21:09
<alkisg>
Ignore the "no card number" warning, it's not significant
21:09
<markit>
ah
21:09
<alkisg>
OK take a step back. Are we always talking about just 1 pc?
21:09
<markit>
yes
21:09
<alkisg>
(12:02:44 πμ) markit: also I've one pc whith lcd that seems with the correct resolution, but after a while screen becomes black and you only have the mouse cursor
21:09
^ still one pc there?
21:09
<markit>
is another one, but I did not talked about it
21:10
just that note you mention
21:10
<alkisg>
So they have the same problem, no?
21:10
<markit>
so forget about it
21:10
probably yes
21:10
same hardware also
21:10
<alkisg>
OK, which graphics card do they have?
21:10
<markit>
only different monitor
21:10
<alkisg>
(do you have a mouse now?)
21:10
<markit>
I've no idea
21:10
no
21:10
letì's reboot the server :)
21:10
brb
21:10
<alkisg>
Yeah
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<jammcq>
alkisg: ping
21:14
<alkisg>
Hi jammcq
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<jammcq>
not on a plane yet?
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<alkisg>
Nah, the strike postponed the flights for 2 days, so I'm leaving on Friday
21:15
<jammcq>
k
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21:16
<markit>
ok, hi alkisg, hi jammcq!
21:16
<jammcq>
dinner on wednesday will probably be in the afternoon
21:16
we'll be picking up Ron at 1:46pm at JFK and then heading to Peter Lugers
21:16
so maybe around 3pm or so
21:16
we'll be having dinner
21:16
<alkisg>
jammcq: I'll be seeing emails every morning, so if anything changes, please notify me
21:16
<jammcq>
i'll send you an email now with my phone number
21:16
<alkisg>
ty :)
21:16
<jammcq>
in case you need to call me
21:16
<markit>
!nomodetest
21:16
<ltsp>
markit: I do not know about 'nomodetest', but I do know about these similar topics: 'nomodeset'
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<markit>
!nomodeset
21:17
<ltsp>
markit: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
21:17
<jammcq>
alkisg: what's a good email addr for you?
21:17
<alkisg>
alkisg at gmail
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<jammcq>
alkisg: after dinner, we'll be heading north to boston. we'll be going right by Gadi, if you need a ride, we'd be happy to drop you there
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<alkisg>
jammcq: thank you, I'll keep that in mind, not sure if I'll need a ride or not
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<jammcq>
email has been sent
21:29
<alkisg>
ty jammcq :)
21:29
<markit>
now seem that I've no black screen anymore, but I've run an app and I've put in ldm again
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(logged out)
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21:32
<markit>
we have decide to put those 2 PC outside ltsp
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<markit>
time to go home
21:33
(I've to drive for 1.30 hours)
21:33
thanks a lot again
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<alkisg>
Do try nomodeset :)
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23:02
<kusznir>
Hi all: I've got an ubuntu 10.10 ltsp server I'm trying to commission, but having trouble getting my thin clients to boot (DevonIT). They appear to start booting, then after the tftp screen,t he display goes black (not asleep, just black) and remains that way. I never get an ability to get a console or anything.
23:02
I don't even know how to troubleshoot this as I don't get any debugging output or the opportunity to turn any on...
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<pr0d>
Can i ask ubuntu LTSP questions in here?
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<kusznir>
Yes
23:14
You may need to stick around for a while to get them answered, though. I don't think many of the "experts" are active at this moment.
23:14
<pr0d>
Hmm
23:14* kusznir is not an expert, but an "experienced user"
23:14
<pr0d>
Well my client is booting to login screen but im getting error "No response from server, restarting..." when i try to log in
23:15
tryed the only google result i got and didnt help
23:16
<kusznir>
That error can mean a number of things.
23:16
<pr0d>
I thought you might say that
23:16
<kusznir>
Generally, you get that when a login is not successful.
23:17
<pr0d>
cant login as root either
23:17
<kusznir>
Reasons for failure include: 1) unable to reach the server; 2) server's ssh key is unknown; 3) username/password incorrect; 4) server-side user account is incorrectly or incompletely created.
23:17
Can you log in as that user at the server?
23:17
<pr0d>
yes
23:17
could be ssh keys
23:17
<kusznir>
Is your server also the ltsp netboot server for your thin clients (eg, one server does it all)?
23:18
<pr0d>
yes
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<kusznir>
I have my thin clients set up so that I can alt-F2 into a shell. i don't remember if that's default, or if I had to specially config that. But I'd recommend turnning that on and assigning a local root password to the thin client. Then, try logging into the thin client itself via the text login and ssh as the user in question to the server and see what you get.
23:21
<pr0d>
when i drop into shell ctrl+alt+f1 i cant login with my server creds, what user should i login as?
23:21
<kusznir>
The root account you previously created :)
23:22
<pr0d>
Hmm i never created a root account
23:22
<kusznir>
Log in as root on your server; chroot /opt/ltsp/i386; run passwd and set a password; exit; ltsp-update-image
23:22
Then reboot your thin client and try to log in as root.
23:22
<pr0d>
i see
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<kusznir>
Any time you want to change something that lives on the thin clients, you've got to do it in /opt/ltsp/i386. then when you're done making changes, run ltsp-update-image. When that finishes, you can reboot thin clients to get the new image.
23:25
<pr0d>
Ok thats starting to make sense, never worked with computers in this way before
23:26
thanx for your help :)
23:26
<kusznir>
no problem
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<vagrantc>
pr0d: most likely your ip address changed and you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys followed by ltsp-update-image
23:29
instead of setting a root password in the image, just use SCREEN_02=shell
23:29
in lts.conf
23:35
<pr0d>
Brilliant, all working now :)
23:35
tyvm :)
23:42
<kusznir>
Ok, so I did more troubleshooting. I managed to turn off the quiet boot, and saw what was going on. The kernel boots fine, and then when it starts X, it appears to crash. The screen does go black, but I can't change VTs either.
23:43
I tried running ltsp-install-client on my 10.10 machine to install a natty image, and set all this again, but ran into the same problem.
23:44
Potentially relevent facts in this case: my ltsp-server is a xen VM that is dedicated soley to running the disk image for the thin clients. There's no X on that VM. I have two other VMs that are thin client terminal servers, both ubuntu (different versions).
23:44
Origionally I had copied the ssh keys over and did the update-keys; the natty version doesn't have that yet. However, before that's an issue, I have to get the thin clients to boot up to an ldm login.
23:44
Any suggestions?
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