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Channel log from 8 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<sbalneav>
There he is :)
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bieb: Well, if you're running Gnome, I'd suggest testing my sabayon packages in my PPA, and let me know how they work.
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<bieb>
I am running Gnome.. a link to sabayon. I thought you had said there was an issue with sabayon before?
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<bieb>
sbalneav: I am running Gnome.. a link to sabayon,please. I thought you had said there was an issue with sabayon before?
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<johnny>
sbalneav, the next thing for sabayon to fix.. is getting it working in xephyr.. once that happens it will be less crashy for other reasons..
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<johnny>
federico is working on that
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<bieb>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP is this the most up to date Windows DHCP how-to?? I the the Root Path in Jaunty is different...
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<johnny>
bieb, how is the root path in jaunty different?
10:53
did i miss something while i was away?
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<cliebow>
did i miss something while i was here? 8~)
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<bieb>
wouldn't the root path be.. /var/lib/tftpboot/ ??
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<edoardo>
Hey you guys
10:58
Need I do anything like rebuild the image, after I edit lts.conf?
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Or will the change apply when I reboot the client?
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<cliebow>
if you altered the lts.conf that is tftp downloaded it should apply the changes
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<johnny>
bieb, no
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<edoardo>
Yeah it's Tftp
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<sbalneav>
bieb: I have been working on fixing sabayon
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<edoardo>
cliebow thanks dude
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<bieb>
johnny: can you explain??
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<sbalneav>
johnny: There were some postings the other day on bugs with xephyr. So far, I'm sticking wih depending on Xnest until they get fixed.
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<bieb>
sbalneav: ok.. so you want me to try it out for my configuration?
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<sbalneav>
bieb: It would be nice to have some testers, yes.
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<bieb>
hook me up with a link.. I will get it installed here in a short bit
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<sbalneav>
I can't guarentee it will work, but I *can* guarentee that if it doesn't work, I'll try to fix it.
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in my ppa
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<bieb>
glad to help out
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<johnny>
bieb, the root path is for the chroot
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<bieb>
what is a ppa?
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<johnny>
personal package archive
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hosted deb packages on launchpad
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<sbalneav>
https://launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
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Sorry, had to get the link. Don't have it memorized :)
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<johnny>
the tftp root is set in te tftp server config, not in dhcp bieb
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<bieb>
johnny: I was looking in the Win DHCP doc.. thats where I am questioning the "Root Path"
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017 Root Path: /opt/ltsp/i386
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066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
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067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 # for Edgy and up
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067 Bootfile Name: ltsp/pxelinux.0 # for Dapper
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<johnny>
bieb, that's normal
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for all dhcp
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not just windows
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<bieb>
ok
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<johnny>
thats how it is for everybody
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ever since ltsp 5 anyways
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<coordinador>
thanks to all for the info, bye
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<bieb>
I was looking at line 067.. so ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 is correct?
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<johnny>
thats fine too
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edgy and up still applies
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<bieb>
ok
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I will test that out here shortly also.. :D Gotta grab some MAC addresses and config the DHCP server
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<edoardo>
How do I know which xorg.conf is being used?
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I know how to setup a specific one, but where's the default? (for the clients)
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<johnny>
the default one is generated
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by the x server itself
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<edoardo>
Cause basically, I'm getting this error with this client, where I get
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xauth: creating new authority file /var/run/ldm... repeteadly, and it's just stuck there
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I changed XSERVER = vesa, still the same
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And then I changed to XSERVER = ati, and that line only appears once. Then it just hangs blank
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Any ideas on the matter?
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<ogra>
!dist
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<ogra>
edoardo, ^^^
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<edoardo>
Uh
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Kiwi-Ltsp = openSUSE
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<ogra>
-> #kiwi-ltsp then
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<edoardo>
Yeah but they're all dead there
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<edoardo>
;)
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<ogra>
well, its a very special fork ...
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so hard to tell whats going wrong
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<edoardo>
I know. If Cyberorg was around he'd know
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<ogra>
did you try completely without lts.conf already ?
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<edoardo>
All I can tell is that this machine used to work fine, then they changed motherboard and now it ain't working
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But the video card is the same
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<ogra>
i think kiwi still uses the uberhackish configure-x.sh
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<johnny>
edoardo, you could try CONFIGURE_X=F
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in lts.conf
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<edoardo>
Right now it's set to True
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What will that do?
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<johnny>
uses X
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instead of that script
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so.. try it
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<ogra>
well, asking again, did you try without lts.conf ?
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<johnny>
remove all X_
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<edoardo>
I guess I could try for that specific MAC address...
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ogra No, I mean, there are many clients...
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<ogra>
and just leave the autodetection do its work
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<edoardo>
ogra all I tried was without specific settings for that MAC address
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<johnny>
well do it
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<edoardo>
But there are quite a few default settings in lts.conf anyways
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<ogra>
but still with a default section that sets globals ?
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<edoardo>
Uhm... yeah, why not
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Yeah
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<ogra>
just test it if no clients are in use
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<edoardo>
Well quite a few clients are in use
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No one's going to reboot them though, I think
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<edoardo>
Could it be SCREEN_07=ldm
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?
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<johnny>
huh?
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unlikely
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<ogra>
does it work without lts.conf ?
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<sbalneav>
I'll probably regret this, but someone asked, so...
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I have a twitter account now.
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<edoardo>
ogra I'm trying it now
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<ogra>
sbalneav, ugh
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<sbalneav>
yeah.
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I know.
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<edoardo>
ogra I think we made a little progress
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<bieb>
what are you tweeting about..
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<edoardo>
Without lts.conf it goes on unsupported frequency in the monitor
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<ogra>
bieb, walked the dog ... picked up the poo ...
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<bieb>
LOL
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just the kinda stuff that keeps you on the edge of your seat
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<ogra>
all the exciting happenings :)
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edoardo, so your monitor reports wrong DCC values
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<edoardo>
Probably
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<bieb>
I have a twitter account also.. just got it in June.. while at a conference.. we were using it to tweet comments about the presentations
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<edoardo>
It ain't even the monitor I'm gonna use it with, btw
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<edoardo>
ogra but I gotta do the debugging on thissun
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You think it'd work on another monitor?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, I have a question about serial interfaces and ltsp
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is there some sort of permission I have to allow in order to allow a client's serial interface access to the server?
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<ogra>
edoardo, the xserver querirs the monitor on startup ... so might be
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<edoardo>
So which part of lts.conf didn't it like?
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<edoardo>
These were the default values: http://pastebin.com/m3139d9a1
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<ogra>
X_MODE probably
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or the horrible configure-x.sh script at all ...
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<_UsUrPeR_>
could be configure_x yeah
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<ogra>
its not used upstream, in ubuntu and in debian since quite some time anymore
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: about my question above: is there a provision to allow client serial ports access to the x session? I think that's the final step to getting my touchscreen working properly
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<ogra>
whats your exact problem ? device üermissions ?
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*per
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<_UsUrPeR_>
it appears that /dev/ttyS0 is being denied access to "org.x.config.display7"
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<ogra>
what are the device permissions ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
how would I view that?
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<ogra>
probably you need a udev rule that sets them differently
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ls
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well ls -l
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ok.
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crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2009-07-08 10:16 ttyS0
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that's viewed from the client
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<ogra>
hmm
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for a normal system thats fine
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but on normal systems all users are in the dialout group by default ...
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<ogra>
though why would the device send any configuration messages to org.x.config ?
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normally only hal talks to that
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<_UsUrPeR_>
here's the full Xorg.7.log: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/437 .
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just search for (EE) Touchscreen
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that'll take you to the error
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<ogra>
thats dbus
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I was just in #dbus, and an individual who looked at the same error had told me "the dbus daemon just passes messages, it doesn't itself manage permissions on other OS resources"
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the consensus over there was also that this is a HAL issue
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<ogra>
the file /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf should rule permissions
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: is that something that I should be changing in the chroot, or the server?
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<ogra>
has nothing to do with the server
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<_UsUrPeR_>
k
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<ogra>
add such a line to the file and try again <allow own="org.x.config.display7"/>
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(and the related lines as they are set for the other displays there)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: yeah, added the lines for display 7
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that cleaned up the error fro dbus
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<ogra>
right
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but let me guess, not the error for Touchscreen :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
however, the (EE) Touchscreen: Unable to grab device (Invalid argument) is still there :(
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<ogra>
right
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sounds more like either your options are wrong or its actually a device permission issue
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i wouldnt see why the latter though ... X runs as root
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so should have rw access
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<_UsUrPeR_>
well I do know that the touchscreen's output comes out of /dev/ttyS0. If I cat /dev/ttyS0 and touch the screen, it prints out a bunch of gibberish
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that's not quite the same as moving the mouse pointer in X though :)
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<ogra>
well, are you 100% sure about the options you set ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
pertaining to everything but the driver and device options: no, I am not.
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hmm
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<ogra>
are you setting any of these serial settings in your config ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi helped me out with that portion. I have XS80-touchscreen and XS95-touchscreen. I can paste them if you want to see.
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<ogra>
yes
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<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "XS80-touchscreen & XS95-touchscreen" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/438
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<ogra>
are you sure UntouchDelay and ReportDelay are supported optios ?
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also did you try ttyS1 for a test ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
UntouchDelay and ReportDelay may not be supported by these drivers. I'll try removing them. I have, however, tried out ttyS1, to no avail
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<ogra>
"Invalid argument" is the thing that looks bothering
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<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah :/
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rebuilding image now
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without untouchdelar and reportdelay
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ogra: after removing both, same error
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<ogra>
ttyS1 ?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
uno momento por favor. rebooting w/ttyS1 in lts.conf
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: ttyS1 as well yes
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<ogra>
hmm, out of ideas
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<_UsUrPeR_>
so here's what I am thinking: because I am able to cat /dev/ttyS0 on the client in screen_02 and get output, do you suppose there's an issue with the server receiving input from the client's serial port?
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<ogra>
i think its a matter of the elotouch driver
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<_UsUrPeR_>
D: oh
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12:36* ogra hands sbalneav a pong ... http://staffweb.cms.gre.ac.uk/~cs39/playpong.html
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<cliebow>
sbalneav: so finally there is a reason to mess with twitter then
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<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "Xorg.7.log -- Debuglevel "5" -- more information" (1007 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/439
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<_UsUrPeR_>
There's a debuglevel! :D
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unfortunately, it shows that there's virtually no communication
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<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: ping?
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<atomic007za>
Hi
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<atomic007za>
I am having a problem with 2 pc, same motherboard, that come up with thelogin screen but never get to the desktop once logged in. Can anybody offer any advise or point me in the right direction?
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<sbalneav>
Ryan52: Around?
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atomic007za: Check their .xsession-errors file in their home dirs
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<atomic007za>
if I use another pc and login as the same user it goes through no problem
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brb
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back
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<sbalneav>
Got that stupid compiz turned on for those people?
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If so, back them down to metacity
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<atomic007za>
I dont understand?
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is compiz a program that interferes with the logins?
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<sbalneav>
What are you running LTSP under?
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<atomic007za>
edubuntu/ubuntu out the box
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<sbalneav>
jaunty?
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<atomic007za>
if I look at TCM I can see its logged on, the mouse moves but there is nothing on the screen.
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9.04
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<sbalneav>
turn off "desktop effects"
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<atomic007za>
if thats jaunty ys
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<sbalneav>
try that
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<atomic007za>
will do
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<atomic007za>
just booting server
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if I turn destop effects off on the server, will it automatically do it for the clients?
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sbalneav?
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<sbalneav>
You turn them off per user
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in their System->Preferences setting.
14:16* atomic007za slaps klausade around a bit with a large trout
14:16* atomic007za slaps tarbo around a bit with a large trout
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<atomic007za>
sorry about the slapping...was acident
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just as a matter of interest how would I turn off desktop effects for all uses?
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<atomic007za>
ok desktop effects is in installed
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not *
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<sbalneav>
atomic007za: Well, probably some kind of gconf setting, or if it was me, I'd just delete compiz :)
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<atomic007za>
compiz acording to add rem apps is not installed
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<ogra>
before blindly shooting at compiz you really should check ~/.xsession-errors
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<sbalneav>
I suggested that as well :)
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<ogra>
right, but then immediately moved on to compiz :)
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<sbalneav>
Well, you *know* it's my favorite culprit :)
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<ogra>
if you dont set SKIP_CHECKS in lts.conf compiz rarely does harm
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it cant find the logfile for display 7 anyway so wont start
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<atomic007za>
I take it back, compiz removed
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<ogra>
(unless you have another user logged in locally on the server indeed :) )
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<sbalneav>
Whoa, I didn't say remove it, I just said try disabling it for those users :)
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<ogra>
heh
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and its unlikely that compiz is related ... check the logfile as a very first thing before making changes to the system
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<atomic007za>
ther ewill be diffent uses logging onto that PC
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<sbalneav>
Check the logfile as well
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<atomic007za>
will do
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<sbalneav>
$HOME/.xsession-errors
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<ogra>
of one of the users where it doesnt work
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<sbalneav>
right
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<atomic007za>
all the users work, there is a motherboard MSI manufaturer that was not working
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<ogra>
??
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<atomic007za>
if I put another PC on, diff m/board boot no problem
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logs in and goes
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<ogra>
you said you dont get a desktop after login
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in the case where it doesnt work
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<atomic007za>
with the MSI m/board
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yes
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any other board, there is no problem
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<ogra>
if you can log in it cant be a hardware related problem
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it has to do with the session
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<atomic007za>
ok
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<ogra>
thats why you should look in the logfile first
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<atomic007za>
I suspect its the m/board
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ok looking now
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<ogra>
log in with a user/system where it doesnt work, then go to the server and take a look at the logfile
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<atomic007za>
ok here is an error
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Starting ICA
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I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/test/.compiz/session/1049bffb3d1259e755124708212160697600000042130021"
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so how do I disable compiz? as If i uninstall LTSP does not work
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sorry quiet new at this
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<Vonor>
is there a way to continue a previous attempt on ltsp-build-client? i ran it over ssh but the connection broke and i don't want to start over
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<ogra>
Vonor, no
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<bieb>
sbalneav: Let me know if you find anything in that debug for me to try.. I will be here at the office until about 8 eastern time
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<Vonor>
consider it a feature request, then :)
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<ogra>
we need to be sure to have a 100% clean environment so it wont run
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its deliberate
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atomic007za, remove the users ~/.compiz dir if it still doesnt work ~/.gconf ... note that this resets his desktop settings
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<atomic007za>
ok
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<ogra>
Vonor, on debian and ubuntu you can use the servers package cache btw that saves you from redownloading all packages
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<Vonor>
ogra, on gentoo...it's not about the download, but about the build time, especially with virtualbox 3.0 it seems to be even more slow
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<ogra>
well, nothing we can do about the build
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you will very likely end up with something broken if you dont start off with a totally clean environment
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<atomic007za>
orga: there was no .compiz dir in home folder, so I deleted .gconf
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now it says:Starting gtk-window-decorator and thats where it is stuck
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<Vonor>
johnny, i assume you wrote the howto on the gentoo wiki too? it contains a mistake.
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<Vonor>
If you encounter some problems and have to perform ltsp-build-client again, the program tells you to remove the entire chroot environment. It is recommended to first copy the downloaded stage and point the ltsp-build-client command to it, so it won't have to be downloaded again in each run.
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cp /opt/ltsp/x86/stage3-x86-current.tar.bz2 /opt/ltsp/.
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ltsp-build-client --stage_uri=/opt/ltsp/stage3-x86-current.tar.bz2
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it is --stage-uri file:///path/to/file
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<atomic007za>
orga: its moaning about not having .compiz dir. how do I put/copy it there?
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will try something else
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<sbalneav>
bieb: I probably won't get to it until later tonight. I, too, have a day job :)
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<bieb>
I understand.. I was just letting you know I am here if you need something tested on it
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<atomic007za>
I have logged in as another user. test2: and this is where .xsession-errors stops, (could it ba a defective board?)** (gnome-panel:8099): DEBUG: Adding applet 3.
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** (gnome-panel:8099): DEBUG: Adding applet 4.
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I have logged in as another user. test2: and this is where .xsession-errors stops, (could it ba a defective board?)** (gnome-panel:8099): DEBUG: Adding applet 4.
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<atomic007za>
orga? you there?
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<Ryan52>
sbalneav, ogra: ?
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<bieb>
Hey Ryan52
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<Ryan52>
hi
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<bieb>
Scott is around.. he is doing regular work too...
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I asked a question earlier that they said you may have the answer to
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I am trying to find out if there is a how-to to change the background on the login screen
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we want to have the school's wall paper image instead of the Ubuntu image
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<vagrantc>
there's not really a howto on it, but look at the examples in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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<bieb>
thanks vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
bieb: start by copying a theme and playing with it.
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<sbalneav>
Ryan52: Hey hey
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Any chance you could give me a quick rundown on the LDM_THEME variable for the docs?
15:49* vagrantc could take a stab at it
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<Ryan52>
sbalneav: by default it uses /usr/share/ldm/themes/default (in the chroot) for LDM's theme, but if you set LDM_THEME=foobar it will use /usr/share/ldm/themes/foobar and if you set LDM_THEME=/a/b/c it will use /a/b/c. what more do you want to know? :P
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<sbalneav>
Ryan52: Perfect. I'll add it to the docs.
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Thankee
15:58
We should talk about lts.conf.5
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We've now got a (almost) complete lts.conf.5 file, which would be great to include in ltsp-trunk
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I've have 2 thoughts:
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1) turn ltsp-docs-trunk into an installable package, and ltsp-server* depends on that, which brings in the lts.conf.5
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or, 2) we simply copy the lts.conf.5 from the docs into ltsp-trunk
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I'm thinking 1)'s the better way to go, as they'll also get the LTSPManual.xml as well, which I'm hoping to have yelp ready.
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any thoughts?
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<vagrantc>
2 is cheap and easy, 1 is more proper. slightly harder to ensure that a given version of 1 is compatible with the version of ltsp and ldm and ltspfs ... but not terribly so.
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2 is also maintaining things in two places, which leaves an unpleasant taste...
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<sbalneav>
right.
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<vagrantc>
1 is slightly more work, distro-wise. but not infeasible.
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<sbalneav>
Well, what I'm hoping ( :D HAHAHAHAHA ) is that we can track -docs-trunk with -trunk, and then when someone branches for a distro, they can branch the docs as well.
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<vagrantc>
you might consider multiple installable packages from ltsp-docs-trunk, depending on how big they are.
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<sbalneav>
Oh, and I've looked into that po4a thing you mentioned.
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I think it will do the trick, I just have to figure out the right makefile goo to handle making all the translations as well.
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But I've already managed to extract a .pot from the LTSPManual.xml file.
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I'm kind of hoping someone who's done a lot of translation work
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(HINT HINT TO ANYONE LISTENING IN THE CHANNEL)
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to come forward and help with setting it up "properly"
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as opposed to my floundering attempts.
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<bieb>
sbalneav: I would help with translation.. But I only habla english
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<edoardo>
exit
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whoops ;)
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<bieb>
Anyone here that is running CrossOver on their LTSP server??
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<sunru>
hi, cups on the thin client? I have a script that loads firmware to the printer, this is all manual. apt-get install foo2zjs pulls in cups...ideas?
19:48* sunru is perplexed by the topic.
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<sunru>
gentoo will never get close.
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its a boken distro and a failed concept.
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<sbalneav>
sunru: Not sure what your question is? Are you wondering if cups will work?
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We have a printing daemon that emulates a jetdirect interface, called jetpipe
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<sunru>
foo2zjs contains the firmware.
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apt-get foo2zjs pulls in cups.
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The point being, I would prefer to not maintain my "alterations".
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<sbalneav>
Well, if you're going to run that printer, it'll be unavoidable.
19:52
Either run it off the server directly, or get a printer that doesn't require firmware.
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<sunru>
no, "apt-get install foo2zjs" will setup all that, such as the hotplugging and loading of firmware.
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<sbalneav>
ok, but cups isn't going to run on a thin client without mods.
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<sunru>
?
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its just a daemon, not mods required?!
19:56
er
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<sbalneav>
Where's it going to store /var/spool?
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<Ryan52>
why do I feel like this whole conversation makes no sense?
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<sunru>
sbalneav: are you seriouis?
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sbalneav: are you a ltsp developer?
19:58
<sbalneav>
Yes
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<sunru>
oh really, and your saying I can't run cups on a thin client?
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<sbalneav>
No, I'm saying you won't be able to do it without some customization
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Your quote:
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I would prefer to not maintain my "alterations".
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<sunru>
your exagerating the "customizations"
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<sbalneav>
uh
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I'm just answering your question
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if you already know the answer, why ask it?
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<tylerfixer>
Hello!
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<sbalneav>
Hello
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<tylerfixer>
Hi, I've got a question regarding Xorg video drivers in the LTSP package
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I have a thin client with the AMD GX1 chipset
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and I can't seem to find the NSC driver for Xorg
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I've checked the ubuntu package pages, and it looks like the i386 packages haven't been built
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<tylerfixer>
so i'm at a loss as to where I can find the xserver-xorg-video-nsc package that's compatible with Jaunty
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any ideas?
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<sunru>
sbalneav: so how do you deal with perfipherals? its been mentioned before something like - "PRINTER_0_FIRMWARE"
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<sbalneav>
tylerfixer: I seem to have a xserver-...-nsc package on mine, I don't think it's installed by default in the chroot though.
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<tylerfixer>
yeah, I checked in my chroot, and did "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nsc" but it says something about the wrong xserver-core package
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and the machine I am on is fully up-to-date with all packages...
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(by the way, thanks for your help!)
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<sbalneav>
sunru: I don't believe we have a "PRINTER_x_FIRMWARE" variable. I'll look in the tree. But AFAIK, we only support stock USB, Parallel, and Serial printers.
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tylerfixer: Is the chroot up to date?
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You need to update that seperately
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<tylerfixer>
Yes, I installed it yesterday, and as far as I know it's current
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<sbalneav>
tylerfixer: Ah
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looks like the -nsc driver isn't for the newer xorg.
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<tylerfixer>
yeah... any thoughts on how to make it work?
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<sbalneav>
File a bug against the -nsc driver.
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<tylerfixer>
I tried forcing it to install by manually extracting it, but that didn't work, so I cleaned up the files
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Okay
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<sbalneav>
That's a distro issue.
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<tylerfixer>
Yeah, it would appear so
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<sbalneav>
sunru: No, sorry, we have no _FIRMWARE variable, don't know where you saw that, unless someone wrote something themselves and posted it somewhere.
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<tylerfixer>
Is there a way to downgrade the xserver in the chroot to match the latest build of the -nsc driver?
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<sbalneav>
tylerfixer: Possibly, but I'm not sure if anyone's tried it.
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<tylerfixer>
That could be a problem...
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Or, is there a way to downgrade LTSP5 to the version used in the latest build?
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<sbalneav>
sunru: So, your choices would be: 1) install cups in chroot, but do some manual tweaking to make it work, 2) hang printer off the server directly, 3) use a different printer.
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tylerfixer: This isn't an LTSP problem. LTSP just uses the Xorg supplied by the distro, if you're missing the -nsc driver, you'd have the same problem if you installed Jaunty on a hard drive on the box.
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<tylerfixer>
ie. downgrade the ltsp chroot to intrepid?
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(sorry, I didn't phrase that first question right)
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<sbalneav>
You could try, no guarentee it wold work.
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In theory it should.
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<tylerfixer>
Because it appears that in total I have had more problems with Jaunty than I have on Intrepid on all my linux machines in my control...
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Would the proceedure be as simple as issuing something like "ltsp-build-client -dist Inrepid" and backing up my /opt/ltsp directory beforehand?
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<sbalneav>
Should be.
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Or, if you still have an intrepid chroot on a machine somewhere, just move it over.
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<tylerfixer>
Okay, so I'll file a bug somehow against the latest -nsc driver and try backing up my tftpdir and my /opt/ltsp directories then get the intrepid chroot from build-client
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I dont actually have any intrepid LTSP machines around
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this is actually my first ltsp machine, ever.
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I've previously used 2x's thinclient stuff and thinstation, but I like how LTSP is turning out
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(and it appears that LTSP is the only thin client distro to support network swap, since my thin clients only have 16mb of ram)
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<sbalneav>
Ryan52: Who wasn't making sense, him or me?
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<Ryan52>
him. and then you weren't making sense because he wasn't. :)
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but when somebody starts out with:
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17:48 < sunru> gentoo will never get close.
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17:49 < sunru> its a boken distro and a failed concept.
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you kinda figure they're going to be a troll who doesn't know what they're talking about :).
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<johnny>
Vonor, no, i didn't write it..
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<Ahmuck>
anyone know offhand if the atom or the nano will work as a thin client?
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<sbalneav>
Atoms will work.
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In fact:
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http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/200118.html?id=aA3PIF4H
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There's an atom one right there.
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<Ahmuck>
http://tinyurl.com/l8amx4 - thinking about that one
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sbalneav: what do you think?
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<johnny>
don't use tinyurls when you don't have to Ahmuck
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it screws up the web
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the only actual reason to use tiny urls is when using twitter or some restricted character count areas
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<Ahmuck>
i'll not use tiny urls
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the problem with chat, is first everybody says, use tinyurls, which i've always opposed, and now that i've converted, everybody says not to
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:(
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<johnny>
failed concept.. that's not fair.. i learned everything i know about linux because of gentoo
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those people who recommend tinyurls don't think about the future
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links aren't supposed to die
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<sbalneav>
johnny: yeah, he didn't really seem to want aren't an answer :)
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<johnny>
and if tinyurl goes out of business.. think about how many dead links there will be
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Ahmuck, i'm a web developer first.. so i take this kinda thing seriously
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sbalneav, well i had my gentoo time.. if it weren't for the political stuff happening there.. things would be still be good with it
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i'm glad that canonical has that code of conduct and that people actually enforce it
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iirc anyways
22:35* Ahmuck didn't want an answer?
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<Ahmuck>
am i missing conversations?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119012
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i think that one would work
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under 150 for the client, diskless of course
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck: no, not you, another user who was here earlier who was a bit trolly
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<Ahmuck>
heh, sometimes i'm a bit trolly :)
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck: Seems to be a bog-standard intel mobo. Should be OK
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<Ahmuck>
not intentionally though
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<sbalneav>
for 129 bucks, try one :)
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<sbalneav>
Yawn
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Headin' to bed.
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Night all
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