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Channel log from 18 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<dan__t>
erm, any way to boot straight off of a CD of some sort? I don't want to deal with a pxe situation right now with the way things are
03:40
suppose I can use the rom-o-matic method, no?
03:42
<Patina>
Try knoppix or another live cd.
03:42
I believe the rom-o-matic is used to generate the boot rom.
03:43
<dan__t>
hrm, looks like I found the answer to my own question again heheh
03:43
It looks like I can make an ISO with rom-o-matic.
03:44
<Patina>
that would still be booting with PXE.
03:45
<dan__t>
I think I can define inside of there some static options, such as an IP and such.
03:45
I'm not trying to make this all difficult. I'm wanting to try it on a few machines over an existing network, and would rather not delegate to another DHCP server, even if that meant being able to PXEBoot cleanly.
03:46
<Patina>
So, you are trying to avoid DHCP, not PXE.
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<dan__t>
Well, I'd like to use the existing DHCP services. Maybe my lack of experience with PXE has me a bit confused throughout this process.
03:47
<Patina>
Oh sorry, I think I have forgotten what kind of ROM you create with rom-o-matic.
03:47
<dan__t>
heheh
03:48
<Patina>
PXE boots a boot loader wich boots the kernel, the rom-o-matic thing boots the kernel directly, right?
03:48
<dan__t>
As I understand it, sure.
03:48
<Patina>
ok
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<dan__t>
erm as I understand it, ltsp won't *install* anything, correct?
03:55
It's all in-memory.
03:56
I know that's probably a dumb one, I just want to make 110% sure.
03:58
<sep>
dan__t, ltsp will install stuff on the server. the pxe booting client wont install anything. and wont even need a harddrive
03:58
<dan__t>
I've got the server down pretty well.
03:58
<sep>
dan__t, if your afraid of damaging the HD on the client, just disconnect it
03:58
<dan__t>
Does the DHCP server have to send the location of boot information to the client, or will the client then request bootp or something similar?
04:02
Are these dumb questions? Should i know this prior to giving this a shot?
04:02
heh
04:03
<Patina>
Well, its all in the docs.
04:03
<dan__t>
heheh, ok. that's what I was looking for.
04:04
I gave it static IP info, along with a filename, it appears to be doing stuff(tm)
04:06
Well, maybe not.
04:08
<Patina>
What 'stuff' is it doing, and what is 'it'?
04:08
<dan__t>
the pxe interface, looks like it's attempting to load the boot rom from the tftp server
04:08
I don't think I have the path right.
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<Patina>
If you are using the rom-o-matic, you are not using PXE, you are using etherboot.
04:12
Try not confusing the concepts.
04:14
<dan__t>
ooh...
04:14
<Patina>
And it will not load the ROM over the network, its on the clients boot disk or in a chip on its network interface card.
04:15
<dan__t>
Eh I'm just snagging the iso that rom-o-matic makes, and using that as the cdrom device from within vmware
04:16
trying to, anyway
04:20
hrm.
04:22
<Patina>
Your server should generate some log.
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<dan__t>
It'd be super if it wasn't 3:30am and I could think l;)
04:23
;)
04:24
Alright, iptables strikes again, sorry.
04:24
In this situation, which file should etherboot be looking for via tftp?
04:25
nm.
04:30
Awesome.
04:30
Getting closer.
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<dan__t>
Is there a way to specify a root-path other than via DHCP?
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<Patina>
Well, bootp.
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<dan__t>
heh
04:39
THat's as far as I get now. This will be interesting.
04:40
bah.
04:47
Well, I guess it's fruitless to do any of this without a real dhcp server.
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<dan__t>
Ah well, time for me to turn in. Thanks for the help, Patina.
05:12
<cliebow>
dan__t:if your dhcp can offr root path andd filename go for it..you can use wndows dhcp
05:12
<dan__t>
dhcp server is some crap linksys router
05:14
<cliebow>
then no..just put your static addresses in linux...or you "could use an alternate port for dhcp for ltsp..
05:14
use wiki.ltsp.org..al kinds of info there
05:15
<dan__t>
yeap, disabled our dhcp server and rolled my own here.
05:16
<cliebow>
cool..ill be at school by and by if you have any quedstions
05:16
<dan__t>
Thank you./
05:17
<cliebow>
as will the creators of this
05:17
<dan__t>
:)
05:18
We have a pretty large tech dept
05:18
I'm sick of playing catch-up on crappy computers, fixing them all the time.
05:18
<cliebow>
my whole setup is donations
05:19
<dan__t>
Yea, well, that's pretty much what we're reduced to.
05:19
All they need is Firefox and Thunderbird.
05:19
Maybe gaim
05:23
aaaand we're golden.
05:23
awesome.
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<tsurc>
Has any one here had any problems with impress just crashing with no trance on a thin client?
06:42
<kaminski>
tsurc: what the message in cups log?
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<tsurc>
? cups ? its when I try and open a file. It goes through recovery, loads the document. Then crashes. is there an issue with printing?
06:49
<kaminski>
lol
06:49
o read wrong
06:49
at the impress.. ok
06:50
with version os openoffice?
06:50
of
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<tsurc>
2.0.2-2ubuntu12.2
06:57
some times it will open, other times not. either way the most anoying thing is it reports nothing!
06:57
<jammcq>
try running it from an xterm
06:57
<tsurc>
tried.. ooimpress
06:57
<jammcq>
ooimpress some_file
06:57
<tsurc>
yup that.. no joy
06:57
<jammcq>
how much ram in the client?
06:58
<tsurc>
just opens oo and gives me a cli
06:58
er.. 96. Its a wyse winterm 8260se
06:58
<jammcq>
hmm, that should be plenty
06:59
<tsurc>
I know these things are really laggy though
06:59
graphics is shocking and the net card is not great either.
06:59
<jammcq>
what happens if you try to run ooimpress on the system console ?
07:00
<tsurc>
fine.. i think.
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<tsurc>
I can run it off my laptop using putty(with X11 forwarding) and Cygwin ok.
07:04
I'm getting the guy to try from another part of the school where we have some dell gx1's
07:05
although that would just narrow the problem to network segment or machine type.
07:05
still its a start
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<jammcq>
hello kidz
08:28
<Gadi>
hey, daddio
08:48
<pscheie>
Is there any implication for ltsp in Fluendo's announdment about making proprietary codecs available through Gstreamer?
08:48
<kaminski>
jammcq: are you there?
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<cliebow_>
mistik1:have you used stress or anything to test out a client machine..see what it takes to make it freeze?
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<PMantis>
Is there a way to tell what refresh rate a thin client is using?
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<efra>
Morning everybody
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<g333k_work>
Morning!
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
10:33
<dan__t>
'morning.
10:33
<sbalneav>
!seen ogra
10:33
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 23 hours, 19 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <ogra> or /msg nickserv help register
10:35
<ogra>
sbalneav, i'm here
10:35
<sbalneav>
Hey, just sent you a mail. Sorry to hear of your loss. Condolences.
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<ogra>
thanks
10:36
<sbalneav>
If there's anything I can do, let me know.
10:36
<ogra>
i dont suppose you wat to come over to help me diggin
10:36
*want
10:36
there is nothing else to do anymore ...
10:37
<sbalneav>
Did you go to the vet yesterday?
10:37
<ogra>
nope
10:37
we convinced her to come to us
10:37
<sbalneav>
ah, that's nice.
10:37
<ogra>
i got some sleeping pills i gave him before
10:37
so he was supposed to not notice it ...
10:38
but he was to strong and not even the shot she gave him to fall asleep before giving the final one did work 100% ... it was very odd
10:38
<sbalneav>
Fred looked like a shepherd cross. 16's a really good age for a large dog.
10:39
<ogra>
yeah, thats what everyone says ... i always betted on 18
10:39
<sbalneav>
I'm very sorry for you. I've lost two dogs in my life, so I know how tough it can be.
10:40
<ogra>
but its all ok ... its just that horrible gap ...
10:40
<sbalneav>
I know.
10:40
<ogra>
i'm just writing python-ltsp to get distraction
10:41
that will be a class acting as a backend for thinclient-configurator ...
10:41
<sbalneav>
Now that my go-live's done, I'm getting back into the swing of things. I'll be downloading Herd2 tonight.
10:41
It's been a rough two months for me.
10:41
<ogra>
did you put your additions to jetpipe anwhere ?
10:42
i mean not the serial stuff, but you said you had some tweaks to the existing code
10:42
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:42
<sbalneav>
No, not yet. I'll get them to you this weekend. I had added a bunch of stuff, but it's not fully tested yet. I want to make sure all the serial stuff works right.
10:42
Hey jammcq
10:42
<ogra>
ah, ok
10:42
feature freeze is feb 8th ... and i'm way behind and didnt do much work the last week
10:43
<Lumiere>
hi all
10:43
<jammcq>
Lumiere: hey !
10:44
Lumiere: you still in college ?
10:44
<Lumiere>
nah
10:44
I graduated in may
10:44
<jammcq>
yeah, that's what I thought. You working ?
10:45
<Lumiere>
doing hourly work for Arlington Public Schools where I went to High School
10:45
<sbalneav>
ogra: I know, we've still got a couple of weeks left, so I'll jump in and start getting my arse in gear. Where's the biggest problem at the moment, sound?
10:45
<Lumiere>
and infrastructure for one of their partners Nortel LearniT
10:46
<ogra>
sbalneav, sound is waiting for pulse to move to main ... its approved but sitting on http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/anastacia.txt ... waiting for an admin to promote it
10:46
libasound2-plugins needs to be split so we can drop the jack plugin, else i cant get it to main
10:46
<sbalneav>
cjwatson said they're going to add the patch to ssh to get the none encrypt after the password exchange.
10:47
<ogra>
(without libasound we wont have volume control)
10:47
thats nice
10:47
<jammcq>
wow
10:47
<ogra>
so there should be no reason apart from autologin to not use ldm
10:49
i'm currently wondering how we implement support for that one http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365375
10:50
seems hal will need it in the future
10:50
<sbalneav>
I've switched EVERYONE here at legal aid (as part of our go live) to LTSP5. I've given up my old gdm ways. So it's localdevs everywhere here :)
10:50
<ogra>
sbalneav, susie loves the pic, i shall say thanks
10:51
<sbalneav>
It's one of my favorites.
10:51
<ogra>
cool
10:52
>>> import ltsp_status
10:52
>>> ltsp_status.tftp()
10:52
True
10:53
i got that ^^^ for tftp, dhcp, nfs, ldminfo and nbdswapd now ... anything i'm missing ?
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<sbalneav>
What's this you're working on?
10:55
The ltsp manager?
10:55
<ogra>
python-ltsp
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an ltsp class
10:56
>>> from ltsconf_parser import *
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>>> data,idx=ltsconf_read('./lts.conf')
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>>> print idx
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['default', '00:11:25:84:CE:BA', '00:11:25:93:CF:00', '00:11:25:93:CF:02']
10:56
<sbalneav>
Coooooooool
10:56
<ogra>
i also have an ltsconf_write()
10:57
it backs up the last copy before writing, so we can have a rollback function as well
10:57
<Lumiere>
this is cool... it'd allow for a GUI configuration tool for ltsp configurations
10:57
<ogra>
next thing will be ltsp_dict()
10:58
<Lumiere>
(ala redhat's system-config-*)
10:58
<ogra>
that will either list all valid lts.conf variables or verify if a value is valid for a variable
10:58
that way ltsp-manager can have any frontend you want ....
10:59
<sbalneav>
is this a package yet?
10:59
<ogra>
thinclient-configurator-cli,
10:59
thinclient-configurator-gnome
10:59
thinclient-configurator-kde :)
10:59
nope, not ready yet
11:01
Lumiere, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ its the new backend for that app ...
11:01
<pscheie>
sbalneav: Is there a common solution to empty icons--no files--when USB stick is plugged in problem?
11:02
Someone on the K12LTSP list is having this issue
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<sbalneav>
pscheie: Yeah, work through the checklist
11:06
!checklist
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<pscheie>
Yeah, I was looking at that. Sent the guy a link to it.
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<ogra>
>>> import ltsconf_dict
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>>> print ltsconf_dict.get_videodrivers('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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['apm', 'ark', 'ati', 'atimisc', 'chip', 'cirrus_alpine',....
11:38
and ....
11:38
>>> print ltsconf_dict.get_keymaps('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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['ar', 'be', 'bg', 'br', 'ch_de', 'ch_fr', 'cz', 'cz_qwerty', 'de', 'de_CH',
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...
11:39
<dan__t>
awesome, got 10 nodes up so far.
11:40
Did I read somewhere about how I could tap into an existing session via VNC to assist a user?
11:42
<cliebow_>
yeah...x11vnc...or vnc./so
11:45
ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=org" -W -f /bus2.ldif
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<dan__t>
Alright, this will be interesting
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<pscheie>
cliebow_: do you have sound working on your Mac clients?
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<cliebow_>
no
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<dan__t>
Ah crap, I closed the window - cliebow_, what did you suggest as far as being able to assist users remotely via vnc or some such?
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<Lumiere>
11:29:56 < dan__t> Did I read somewhere about how I could tap into an existing
12:21
session via VNC to assist a user?
12:21
11:32:13 < cliebow_> yeah...x11vnc...or vnc./so
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11:35:36 < cliebow_> ldapadd -x -c -h localhost -D "cn=root,dc=ehs,dc=org" -W
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-f /bus2.ldif
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<dan__t>
hrm, ok.
12:22
<cliebow_>
??
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<dan__t>
Would it be more appropriate to use LDAP for user management opposed to UNIX user accounts?
12:23
<cliebow_>
wiki.ltsp.org under experimental
12:23
<dan__t>
Or does it matter.
12:23
reading
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<cliebow_>
i like ldap
12:23
except for right now
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<dan__t>
heh
12:26
THanks.
12:26
I think vnc.so will work well.
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<cliebow_>
Teach2 makes it pretty cool to shadow users
12:29
<dan__t>
Yeah, that's what I was reading.
12:29
You know, this is pretty bad-ass.
12:29
I'd just like to say "thanks" to those who may be chilling here, who have worked on it.
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<jammcq>
prpplague: hey
12:45
<g333k_work>
Hello, how can I run the X Server in a client?
12:46
<prpplague>
jammcq: hey hey
12:46
<jammcq>
g333k_work: umm, the Xserver ALWAYS run in a client
12:46
think of the Xserver as the display/keyboard/mouse driver
12:46
prpplague: where you at these days?
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<prpplague>
jammcq: back in big D
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<g333k_work>
jammcq, I mean... I'm trying to run opera locally following the guide in the wiki, but I cant... Tell me if I am wrong: I open a terminal in the client ws001, then I change to root, then I do ssh to the ws001 terminal and execute the local app, is that ok?
12:48
<jammcq>
wife and kid too?
12:48
<prpplague>
jammcq: wife and kids still in barbados, trying to get house and all organized
12:48
jammcq: they'll be coming up at the end of feb
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<jammcq>
kidS --- Plural ?
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<prpplague>
jammcq: my son and her daughter
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<jammcq>
ah
12:49
I remember chandler, didn't know she had a daughter
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<prpplague>
jammcq: still having minor problems with DoHS but hopefully we'll get that squared away soon
12:49
jammcq: yea, they are the same age, we often get asked if they are twins
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<jammcq>
g333k_work: that's about right
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how old is chandler these days, i'm guessing about 10 or 11
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<g333k_work>
jammcq, but when you ssh a terminal, you connect as root right? but is it possible run X apps as root?
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<jammcq>
shouldn't need to be root
12:52
but... you'll need to setup some form of user authentication on the client, like NIS or LDAP or even (gasp!!! ) copying the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files to the chroot
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<prpplague>
jammcq: what are you up to these days?
12:56
jammcq: we have an arm based thin client design that a customer backed out on, pretty interesting deal, its just a little larger than a business card
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<jammcq>
if it were x86 based, I'd prolly be interested
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<prpplague>
hehe, i abandoned x86 ages ago for just about everything
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i'm actually moving my desktop to arm in a couple of weeks
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<jammcq>
good luck with that
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<prpplague>
hehe
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<g333k_work>
jammcq, I did another procedure I copied the keys so I connect via ssh without asking me password
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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<cliebow_>
Hello..
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<g333k_work>
Hi, how can I size the quantity of RAM that each client is consuming int hr server?
14:47
Hi, how can I size the quantity of RAM that each client is consuming in the server?
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<sbalneav>
What do you mean?
14:48
What do you want to have happen when you reach "the maximum"?
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, I want to know how much RAM do I need per client (my specific clients)
14:48
<sbalneav>
Search the wiki
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<jammcq>
check the wiki, look for the server-sizing document
14:48
<sbalneav>
We've got a server sizing document.
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!sizing
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "sizing" is not a valid command.
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<pscheie>
depends on the apps you're running
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, jammcq , I've already read that.. there is a formula
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<jammcq>
so... use the formula
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<pscheie>
100mhz, 100MB RAM per client--but that's just a rule of thumb
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, that's the reason because I say "my specific clients" because I want to apply a formula for my case
14:49
My clients just run firefox + xfce
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no more apps
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<pscheie>
Usually, if you use that rule of thumb, you won't overwhelm the server
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<sbalneav>
The equation up there will work fine for that
14:50
how many clients
14:51
<pscheie>
I would guess--no guarantees--that with just xfce & ff, you'll be under 75MB per client
14:51
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: How many clients do you have?
14:51
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, 100mb per client?? oh my god! ... I already have 45 clients, but I'm planning to have 100
14:51
<pscheie>
but that will also be affected by how many tabs in ff users have open
14:52
<sbalneav>
So, 256 + (50 * 100)
14:52
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, my server is a P4 3Ghz, with 2G of RAM... I think is over the limit
14:52
<pscheie>
what does free say? Any swap in use?
14:52
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, this is what I wanted to know, monitor a client... do operations on it, and size the RAM used by it
14:52
<sbalneav>
So, 4 gigs or so of ram for 100
14:53
<g333k_work>
root@ltsp-desktop:/usr/bin# free
14:53
total used free shared buffers cached
14:53
Mem: 2067068 1788136 278932 0 51764 356824
14:53
-/+ buffers/cache: 1379548 687520
14:53
Swap: 1052248 30516 1021732
14:53
<sbalneav>
Why not just have 2 servers?
14:53
50 on each
14:53
If you're worried.
14:54
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, I'm planning to use 3 servers, three Xeon Dual Core 3Ghz with 2G of RAm each, and balance about 35 clients per server
14:54
the third one is a kind of backup
14:55
<sbalneav>
256 + (35 * 50) = 2006, so that would be fine.
14:55
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, what about the CPU load?
14:55
<sbalneav>
What about it?
14:56
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, is it important to have powerful processors in the servers?
14:56
<sbalneav>
That's usually the case in a thin client environment.
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<sbalneav>
A P4 3ghz should be able to handle 35 people
14:57
so long as they're not all running flash at the same time.
14:57
<g333k_work>
Will I save lots of RAM running firefox locally ? pros/cons ?
14:57
<pscheie>
powerful processors in servers is important to a point, but RAM is often more critical
14:57
<g333k_work>
pscheie, ooh ok
14:58
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: what you save on ram in the server, you'll just have to spend on ram on the clients.
14:58
Plus, the setup becomes much more difficult.
14:58
<g333k_work>
something I've learned since using ltsp, is that The more RAM you have, the more peaceful you sleep
14:58
<sbalneav>
I never run anything on the clients.
14:58
<pscheie>
local apps are worthwhile only if you already have clients with a lot of RAM
14:58
it doesn't make sense to try to beef up clients
14:58
<g333k_work>
pscheie, They have 96M
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<sbalneav>
That's not going to be enough to run firefox locally
14:59
<pscheie>
I'd go for keeping the apps on the server, 96 isn't a lot
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<g333k_work>
well have 128M - 32M for video = 96M
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<pscheie>
check top frequently to see if your ram or cpu is getting maxed out
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<g333k_work>
I started this server with 512M of RAM, and increase 512M each time the server dies
15:00
now I have 2G
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<pscheie>
I wouldn't try much past 20 or 25 clients with 2GB without carefully watching the server's stats to see if its getting overwhelmed
15:02
your stats looked pretty good, and you said you've got 45 clients?
15:02
just a bit of swap, mostly a bunch of cache
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ideally, you don't want any swap in use, 'cause things will REALLY bog down for the users
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, 45 in theory, there are some network points that are broken, so I have now 38 alive
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<sbalneav>
mistik1: Hey there!
15:04
How's it going?
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, I reboot my server each morning
15:04
<pscheie>
sbalneav: your users use several different apps I assume; how many do you get on a server?
15:04
you should avoid rebooting--that's a windows thing
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<sbalneav>
30-40
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, I know.... but sometimes I see some ghost processes
15:05
<pscheie>
you lose the caching that's built up by users, and that caching really helps load times
15:05
<g333k_work>
pscheie, maybe I just need a killall
15:05
pscheie, really?
15:05
<pscheie>
do users login with IDs or are you using, say, autologin?
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<sbalneav>
You'll get the odd dead process, if someone hits the reset button while logged in, etc. Just kill them with the kill command.
15:06
<pscheie>
if they're using IDs, run a cron job each night that does a 'pkill -u ID' for each user
15:06
<sbalneav>
There should be no need to reboot a server each morening.
15:06
<pscheie>
kills all users' processes w/o rebooting
15:06
<g333k_work>
pscheie, yep autologin with specific users... ws001, ws002.... til ws100
15:06
pscheie, ubuntu 6.10 + xfce + gdm, running just firefox each one
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<sbalneav>
15:04:35 up 121 days, 6:31, 3 users, load average: 0.35, 0.28, 0.18
15:07
There's one of my servers.
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<pscheie>
for x in $(seq -w 1 100)
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do
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, well I turn off each user at midnight and turn on each one via WOL at morning
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<pscheie>
pkill -u ws${x}
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done
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, wow.... My record is 63 days
15:08
<pscheie>
put that in a script, have root's cron call it at 2am
15:08
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, my first ltsp server, but it just managed 5 clients
15:08
pscheie, ok
15:08
<pscheie>
I had a Sun box (not ltsp) up more than 1100 days, till a power failure downed it
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(generator ran out of fuel, its fuel monitor had broken)
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<g333k_work>
pscheie, nice!
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<pscheie>
that was 424 days ago--hasn't been rebooted since
15:10
it's an ldap server
15:11
sbalneav: are you running 32-bit or 64-bit in your servers?
15:11
<sbalneav>
32 bit
15:11
64's vastly overrated
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<pscheie>
agreed
15:11
too many app hassles yet
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<g333k_work>
yep
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<pscheie>
4GB ram per server?
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<sbalneav>
4 g
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<g333k_work>
Many people use their 64 bits processor with 32 SOs
15:12
sbalneav, 4G of RAM? how many clients does your server serve?
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<pscheie>
brb
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<sbalneav>
One of 'em has about 50 people on it.
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, running what?
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<sbalneav>
It's got more ram than it needs, but it just didn't make financial sense to go with less.
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<sbalneav>
firefox + openoffice + gnome + windows apps under wine.
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, wow!
15:18
sbalneav, ltsp 4.2 right?
15:18
<sbalneav>
LTSP 5 under Ubuntu.
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<ogra>
sbalneav, i'll have a python-ltsp package ready for you tomorrow evening ... only two modules left ...
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<jammcq>
ogra: you seeing any of that bad weather in europe ?
15:24
<ogra>
not seeing, but i have to turn the tv quite loud to hear anything
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<ogra>
the wind has about 200km/h currently
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<jammcq>
at your house it's 200km/h ?
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<ogra>
no, but outside the city
15:26
the house is surrounded by other houses ...
15:26
but we have two 15m high firs that bend a lot
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i'm a bit worried they hit the roof
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<g333k_work>
sbalneav, pscheie, Thanks buddies, you have help me a lot today
15:29
<pscheie>
you bet
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<Gadi>
any of you guys know where I can get a defomized font package?
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<pscheie>
defomized?
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<jammcq>
is that where they take out all the fom ?
15:31
<Gadi>
evidently
15:31
<pscheie>
where does one get font fom
15:31
<Gadi>
;)
15:31
<pscheie>
?
15:31
<ogra>
Gadi, why does it need to be defomized ?
15:32
<Gadi>
I just installed xorg and firefox on a minimal Ubuntu installation, and pango was complaining about no defomized fonts installed
15:32
perhaps I just need to install some font package or other
15:33
<ogra>
install any font package
15:33
<Gadi>
ok. thats what I thought
15:33
any particular one you fancy? :)
15:33
<ogra>
dejavu is the default font ubunt uses on te desktop
15:33
you should be fine with that one
15:35
<dan__t>
Ok, well, I got almost all of our tech dept converted
15:36
Somethin' isn't lining up though... UIDs instead of usernames appear in a ps output
15:36
but that's cake
15:41
How about a mouse scroll wheel? I think I can just change X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL to IMPS/2 and call it good, right?
15:41
<BilboFett>
my district reinstalled my server and didn't select the "enable reading of NTFS" from the packages... can I yum install this? I don't know the name...
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<pscheie>
I think reading NTFS is a function of the kernel, not a package
15:43
do you have an NTFS partition in your server?
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<BilboFett>
before my district reinstalled K12, people could read their USB thumb drive files from home, windows files
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now they can't
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I think the guy blazed through the install and didn't check the box in the packages for "enable reading of NTFS volumes"
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<pscheie>
I think thumb drives are usually FAT
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<BilboFett>
I remember seeing that option
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you may be right
16:02
but thats the only thing that changed
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the reinstall
16:02
the thumb drives and windows files on those drives stayed the same
16:02
I'll brb
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<dan__t>
gah, need more ram.
16:03
and a Celeron just doesn't cut it.
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<pscheie>
BilboFett: I'd check your Local Device Access setup, go through the LDA troubleshooting checklist
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<BilboFett>
pscheie where is the LDA troubleshooting checklist?
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<dan__t>
Mkay, I'm confused, perhaps I'm not understanding something here.
17:02
Every machine logs into the server, sure. But I don't exactly understand how an ifconfig on a client machine pops up the server's IP.
17:03
I mean I understand it, the client is simply displaying off of the server, sure.
17:03
<Patina>
So?
17:03
All applications are run on the server.
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Well, except the few local ones of course.
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<dan__t>
Sure.
17:05
Yeah, I understand that part.
17:05
I guess I'm thinking about it too hard heh
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<Patina>
IIRC you can get a local ifconfig.
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<dan__t>
Ok... does the system as a whole rely on /etc/hosts for IP to hostname resolution entirely
17:06
?
17:07
i.e. I wanted to see a client machine from the server, ssh to it, manipulate it etc etc.
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<cliebow>
dan__t:sure..your desktop is coming from server so it shows servers ifconfig
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<Patina>
I think /etc/hosts are just filled up in case you don't have DNS-server.
17:09
<cliebow>
if you have /etc/hosts set up you can ssh in by name or ip
17:09
to a client
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<dan__t>
ahh.
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<Patina>
sshd is enabled by default?
17:10
<cliebow>
no..but it is if you say local_apps=Y
17:10
<Patina>
ok
17:10
<cliebow>
then ssh server is running on client
17:10
all you need is a passwd and shadow in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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thoug i doidnt say so
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<dan__t>
heheh
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<cliebow>
it is terribly insecure..depends on your environment i suppose..
17:12
i put a non important passwd on clients so even if they gain root access on client they cant do any more than a rogue laptop would\
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<dan__t>
welp, guess I followed to many dependencies when I removed gnome-games
17:13
<cliebow>
nooo.not dpendency hell?
17:14
dan__t:what server distro
17:14
<dan__t>
actually, using fc6
17:14
My drink of choice is usually CentOS, however, I thought this might be more appropriate.
17:14
<cliebow>
figures 8~)..dependency hell it is then\
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<dan__t>
yeap.
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<cliebow>
dan__t:ubuntu is sweet
17:15
<dan__t>
beh
17:15
<cliebow>
as in yecch?
17:15
i could never go back
17:15
<Patina>
is there any ltsp included in fc6?
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<cliebow>
Patina: it is trivial to add ltsp
17:16
thanks to ...well a lot of people
17:17
well maybe not trivial
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<Patina>
Some distros seems to be ltsp 'enabled'.
17:17
<dan__t>
I'm just trying to follow this VNC guide
17:17
Trying to get an IP of a client machine to connect to.
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<cliebow>
mine?
17:18
mine vnc guide?
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<Patina>
dan__t: You could watch the log from the DHCP-server when it boots.
17:18
Or, doesn't the client tell which address it gets?
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<dan__t>
cliebow, I just lose the URL. It was off of the wiki.
17:18
re: vnc.so
17:18
that's what I'd like to know, Patina.
17:18
<cliebow>
in weird science and under development
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dan__t:can you login to a client?
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<dan__t>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#VNC_SO - is that you, cliebow?
17:19
Yes, I have people on the tech floor loging in perfectly fine.
17:19
<cliebow>
no xiivnc is mine
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<dan__t>
ahh
17:19
<cliebow>
so...bring up a term on one and type echo $DISPLAY
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<Patina>
Is VNC the best way to keep the desktop and applications running when the client is switched off?
17:21
<cliebow>
no
17:21
nx could though
17:21
<Patina>
nx?
17:22
<cliebow>
freenx
17:22
it is awesome
17:22
<Patina>
What would be better than vnc, freenx?
17:22
<cliebow>
locally..vperhaps vnc...from Paris..nx
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<Patina>
client and server are on the same lan.
17:23
<cliebow>
In Paris i could get a desktop on any of my servers in Maine...like 12 of em'
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if you need to shadow clients..vx11vnc with Teach2 works great
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<Patina>
I have no idea what shadow clients means.
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<cliebow>
like take over
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<markit>
well, is it possible to have with ltsp the same feature that has nx, I mean the one that you can "interrup" a session and re-connect to it from another client / another time?
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<cliebow>
with Gadi's nx work it is possible
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<markit>
cliebow: url?
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<cliebow>
hmm..
17:31
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX
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<markit>
thanks, let me read it
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<cliebow>
i am out of touch on it..might catch the Gadmeister sometime
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<markit>
cliebow: secure and compressed connection... I need the "restore" feature instead
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(or whatever is called)
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<cliebow>
err you can on logout choose terminate or ...
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have to try one
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suspend
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<dan__t>
Ok, so, about finding client IP addresses.... what I'd like to do is be able to take a machine which is not part of the LTSP group, say an admin of some sort, and VNC into the machine.
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<dan__t>
So I'll need an IP, or at the very least a display number of the IP that the server is serving, right?
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<dan__t>
So yeah how are workstation names from within lts.conf referenced?
18:03
Does that come from /etc/hosts, and assigned staticly from dhcpd?
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<cliebow>
dan__t:if a machine knows its hostname it can be referneced in lts.conf..otherwise you can use mac address in lts.conf to positively identify the machine
18:11
like neither netvista nor ibooks know their names
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<cliebow>
There is the Master...
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<jammcq>
hey chuckie
18:16
<cliebow>
8~).i been holding the fort while you were out on patrol..
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<jammcq>
nice job
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<cliebow>
8`)
18:18
did my first pxeboot today..
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<jammcq>
huh ?
18:18
you finally getting into PXE ?
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<cliebow>
i never had a machine to work with before..all ancient bioses
18:19
schools keep me hopping
18:19
nwea testing coming up..
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that was this week's excuse
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bad nic in a firewall..running wire..maine laptop initiative..building laptops out of parts
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<mistik1>
.
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<cliebow>
..
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<dan__t>
Thanks for the tip, cliebow.
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<cliebow>
sure!
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<dan__t>
gah. I can't get some of these machines to change resolution.
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<jqueiroz>
Hi all, how can I report a possible bug in LTSP 4.2???
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<cliebow>
fire away
20:22
jammcq should see it here
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<dan__t>
i love you, jammcq.
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<dan__t>
I'm running 12 machines "comfortably" from a Celeron 2.4 w/1G RAM
20:27
Each machine is a P3 550 w/256M RAM, running Gnome, of all things.
20:27* jammcq doesn't see the bug yet
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<jqueiroz>
(ltsp root tree)/etc/build_x4_cfg
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is ignoring XKBMODEL, XKBVARIANT, XKBOPTIONS, etc
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only XKBLAYOUT is getting honored to the XConfig file
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<dan__t>
I see, I see.
20:45
<jqueiroz>
I tried searching the maillist, but it's a bit confusing. Was this a known issue? Is there any "official" patch?
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<kwak>
help! i always get nautilus can't load error.
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<madcore>
Hi!
23:33
Do any use HP1022 printer on ltsp thinclient?
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