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Channel log from 20 July 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<mil132>
do I need to enable a user to login from a terminal server?
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I really want this to work, ltsp has not worked successfully once for me.
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<alkisg>
mil132: what do you mean "enable a user"?
02:46
To login, you just use any existing user account on the server
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<mil132>
hmm
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i ment enable a use for ts accesses, but I am mistaken
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I am attempting to run this on terminals with 533mhz via processers, could that be a source of the problem
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<alkisg>
mil132: what do you mean "ts access"? To access the ltsp server? Or some windows server?
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<mil132>
yea
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<alkisg>
It's a multiple choice question, "yea" isn't specific enough :)
02:49
ltsp or windows?
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<mil132>
ubuntu
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err
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ltsp
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<alkisg>
OK, so the question is "how do I login on a thin client"
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And the answer is what I said above,
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<mil132>
ok
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<alkisg>
(10:43:50 πμ) alkisg: To login, you just use any existing user account on the server
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<mil132>
yea
02:50
I was mistaken before
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<alkisg>
The CPU speed is OK for thin clients
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I've also successfully use 300 MHz CPUs
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<mil132>
128mb ram?
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<alkisg>
Yes, and also 64 RAM
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<mil132>
hmm, I guess I need to keep trying until this works,
02:53
<alkisg>
Why doesn't it work?
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<mil132>
I wish I could tell you
02:53
<alkisg>
You asked a question about logging in, is that your only problem?
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<mil132>
well, thats as far as I have been able to get. I get to the login window...
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8.04 it will not get past "verifying password"
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10.04 loads but then drops me back into the login
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<muppis>
Updated ssh-keys?
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<mil132>
yea
02:55
and then update-image
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<alkisg>
mil132: did you try with a different client?
02:55
<mil132>
err. no
02:55
hmm
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<alkisg>
I.e. if it's a via-specific problem, you should know about it
02:56
Also try with a new user (create one from the users-admin utility)
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<mil132>
let me see if I can do it on one of my ibm machines
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I created a user "test" with a simple pass
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<alkisg>
How?
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<mil132>
in the users and groups in the admin dropdown
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i.e. System > Administration > Users and Groups
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<alkisg>
OK
02:59
Try with a different client
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<mil132>
trying to get my IBM desk to cooperate and boot off ox PXE
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lol, so much faster with the gigabit
03:03
still stalled on "verifying password, please wait"
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<alkisg>
Wait, that's a different problem, isn't it?
03:04
Yesterday you were saying that it logged in and _then_ had a problem
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<mil132>
that was on 10.04
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I am giveing 8.04 a try
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but still no joy
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I sound like an idiot, its like I am trolling my self
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<alkisg>
"verifying password" is usually an ssh problem
03:05
<mil132>
checking to see what version I have installed on the server
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<alkisg>
Try putting this on lts.conf:
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[Default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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Then, switch to vt2 and try ssh'ing to the server from there
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<mil132>
ok, booting now
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<alkisg>
ssh user@server
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change "user" with an existing username, but leave "server" as it is, don't put the server name nor the ip there.
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: so what is used in LTSP nowadays? Only PXE?
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<mil132>
the lts.conf is located at /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf right?
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wth, openssh server was not installed
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<alkisg>
mil132: in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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(create a new file there)
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mil132: openssh server has to be installed in the server (not on the clients)
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<mil132>
yea, it was not installed on the server
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even when I did the synaptic package manager to install ltsp
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give me a sec, rebooting the server
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<alkisg>
Q-FUNK: If you're talking about mknbi, see comment #4 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mknbi/+bug/487826
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(and comment #1 for a possible workaround)
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<Q-FUNK>
alkisg: possibly. see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/241307
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<mil132>
aha, progrss, now it is saying the workstation is not authorised
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<alkisg>
Q-FUNK: Yup I received the mail in th list
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<Q-FUNK>
alkisg: well mkelfimage has also been broken for ages, too.
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<alkisg>
That's the problem, ogra_cmpc says that mknbi works, we just don't use it anymore
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<Q-FUNK>
it worked back when I packaged it, but it eventually stopped producing usable boot images.
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<mil132>
Success!
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, look at the deps
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Q-FUNK, i changed the nbi tool on your request pre hardy if you remember
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<Q-FUNK>
and you had changed it back at some point, too
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<ogra>
no
03:35
never changed it back
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<ogra>
if someone changed it it has happened after my time but i dont think it happened at all
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<Q-FUNK>
oh well. seems that I'll have to ask the Artec guys to investigate a one-size-fits-all solution that works on both their peculiar dbe60 and on their newer coreboot-enabled dbe61.
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<mil132>
alkisg, thank you so much, you were a big help
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<Q-FUNK>
I had filed that bug some 2 years ago, back when I still worked there. I'm no longer directly involved, so I'll have to pass this one and let leio handle it. :)
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<alkisg>
mil132: glad you got it going. Remember to read about LDM_DIRECTX parameter (speed vs security )
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<mil132>
do you think that option would be suitable for a VPN ltsp client?
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<alkisg>
Woah, how are you going to boot the clients over vpn?
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<mil132>
well... I have a few routers that support a remote vpn office, so they would be going client > router > vpn > router > LTSP server
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<muppis>
That may work.
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<alkisg>
Sure then no problem there.
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If anyone's sniffing on the local network though, you still can't use LDM_DIRECTX=true
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*inside the vpn network, I mean
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<muppis>
I got idea about how it can be done inside the client, but it probably kills usability.
03:53
Boot little system with X and vpn, then with kvm actual tc. But it needs quite good system for client.
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<mil132>
yea, bit beyond my scope right now, I may look into it in a few months when we start setting up one of our new companies
03:55
the only thing that I can think of that would be bogged down would be the inital boot when it pulls the image off the server, but after that, it would be smooth sailing
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<alkisg>
It doesn't pull the image
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It only requests the needed sectors each time. Like having a network disk.
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<mil132>
this is wierd, some times when I boot a client, it drops into a busybox shell
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I reset the client and then its fine
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ellwell, going home to sleep, thanks alkisg for you help, it is very much appreciated
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<nbtstatz>
Someone has tried Ltsp 4.2 connecting rdesktop to Windows 2008 Server?Its
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not working for me.
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Startx - OK
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Rdesktop to Windows Xp - OK
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Rdesktop to windows 2003 server - OK
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Rdesktop to Windows 2008 Server - Not OK ( Gray X Blinking only)
07:17
LTSP Server with Kubuntu 8.04 / ltsp 4.2
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Any knows why dont work with windows 2008 serve r?
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<alkisg>
Try the ltsp mailing list, don't think many people here have ever used or are still using ltsp 4.2, it's too old
07:21
8.04 comes with ltsp 5...
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<nbtstatz>
alkisg: thanks so much
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<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<EDinNY>
good morning
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<talntid>
http://pastebin.com/nuT6iLBz
09:55
User logs in, then it just pops them back out. Only happens on one of my terminals, that is the error in auth.log. Replaced the terminal at the desk, same issue. If same user goes to another desk, it works fine. I'm stumped. Ideas?
09:56
<alkisg>
!compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
09:56
<alkisg>
talntid: try that ^^^
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No reboot necessary, just logoff/logon the client
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<talntid>
checking
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<talntid>
now he's just on a black screen
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<alkisg>
Any clues on ~/.xsession-errors ?
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(from that user)
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<talntid>
ok, same, it kicked them back out with:
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the gtk_Style error
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<alkisg>
!restore_compiz
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "restore_compiz" :: if you disabled compiz by running the command suggested by the !compiz factoid, and you want to revert the change, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --recursive-unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components
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<alkisg>
No idea then :)
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<talntid>
http://pastebin.com/iMiSJYsH
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does the "x" server "lock" any display files?
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<talntid>
alkisg, any other ideas on the latest pastebin? :)
10:13
<alkisg>
talntid: nope. But when I first had that compiz problem, which only happend for one user and not the other, I tried a "binary search" on his gconf settings
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I.e. first I moved ~/.gconf to ~/.gconf-bad and saw that it solved the problem,
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<talntid>
but, the user can go to any other terminal, and login
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<alkisg>
then I restored it and move half of the directories just below that one,
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<talntid>
and no username works on the "bad" termnal
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<alkisg>
Ah
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<talntid>
i replaced the physical terminal, same issue
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<alkisg>
So no user at all can login on that terminal?
10:14
<talntid>
correct
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well, i havn't tried them -all-
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but mine, and ttilley can't
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<alkisg>
Sure I got the idea :)
10:15
Well... I'd try SOUND=False, maybe nomodeset in pxelinux.cfg/default, stuff like that
10:16
Ah better start from XSERVER=vesa
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<talntid>
http://pastebin.com/UEjG8TKj
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current config:
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<alkisg>
Try removing all those X* variables, and btw also put SOUND=False just for a test
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esd?!
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Does that still work?!
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<talntid>
it was experimental, a long time ago :P
10:19
but it did work ;)
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i don't use sound on the clients
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<alkisg>
Nice to hear it's still working
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<talntid>
no, i doubt it still works
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<alkisg>
Ah
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<talntid>
i don't use sound, so i never play with it
10:20
i moved off to pulseaudio, and even then, moved off that too
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<talntid>
hey, if it matters..
10:24
the stuff in the bottom of my lts.conf, is new as of yesterday..... all of the ldm and local_apps stuff
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<muppis>
XP/XP/Vista/7
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Wait,what? Defenetly wrong windows. Even wrong network..
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<talntid>
?
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it's not windows - Ubuntu 8.04 host, 8.04 guest
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<alkisg>
He just wrote that to the wrong channel :)
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<talntid>
oh :P
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<alkisg>
Try removing the X* variables from lts.conf...
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<talntid>
actually, commenting those lines out at the bottom of my lts.conf fixed the error
10:29
ill troubleshoot it again when business closes down...
10:30
<muppis>
My connection is slow, it's now on 2.5G mobilenetwork..
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<mgariepy>
anybody is able to start rdestkop with RDP_SOUND="nopulse" ?
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<vbundi>
!italc
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<ltspbot>
vbundi: "italc" :: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment
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<Lns>
talntid: ping
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