IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<andygraybeal>
it's just a keyboard, mouse, video and then usb filesystems.. these things are serving.. nothign fancy.. the work is done back on your server
00:00* ball nods
00:00
<ball>
We need some stronger servers too, but that'll have to wait.
00:01
<andygraybeal>
if you need to have special graphical configurations, that is all done inside of lts.conf -- it will normally auto-configure just fine! and you don't need to touch your lts.conf
00:01
just make sure you disable that stupid compiz crap
00:01
<ball>
Do I have an lts.conf file for each terminal, each type of terminal or just one per host?
00:01
<andygraybeal>
and your good.
00:02
lts.conf is global... you can get nutty and have workstation configs in their... but i don't recommend it unless you need it if you have many workstations.
00:02
what i'm getting at is i bet you'd be fine without any customization.
00:03
<ball>
andygraybeal: I look forward to trying this.
00:03
<andygraybeal>
that is the beauty of this system.. it scales well without a lot of configuration.
00:04
managing it is a breeze.. you install your applications on the server... what 10 minutes time at most...... and it's like you spent two nights upgrading the whole office. to a new office suite :)
00:04
oh and you never again forget that one workstation off in the closet that the temp uses like twice a month!
00:05
<ball>
I never do anyway ...I /am/ the temp ;-)
00:05
Well, I've been here 13 years
00:06
...but I'm part-time now.
00:08
<TheMatrix3000>
ha, well at my office i am THE server admin
00:08
out of an IT department of 5
00:08
I am the IT Help Desk
00:08
the System Admin
00:08
the Network Admin
00:08
and the User Admin
00:09
everyone else are developers
00:09
lol
00:09
funny part is we are an Inc 500 company 3 years in a row
00:09* ball is the I.T. department
00:09
<TheMatrix3000>
haha
00:10
<ball>
We have about ten desktop PCs, one server (HP ML110) and a few random NetBSD boxen
00:10
...and printers and things, obviously.
00:10
<TheMatrix3000>
well, the developers develop code for our interfaces for the company
00:10
im not a programmer
00:10
oh yea, internally we have 7 servers
00:10* ball misses coding
00:10
<TheMatrix3000>
including a vmware server
00:10
and about 70 pcs
00:10
60 of which are thin clients
00:11
<ball>
Is vmware the hypervisor? ESXi?
00:11
<TheMatrix3000>
yea
00:11
ESXi
00:11
it's pretty nice
00:11
i use it for OpenLDAP
00:11
<ball>
Do you find that fairly reliable?
00:11
<TheMatrix3000>
and for the intranet site
00:11
yes
00:11
i haven't had it crash yet
00:11
<ball>
I've considered buying that.
00:11
<TheMatrix3000>
its free
00:11
<andygraybeal>
i'm an idiot, so i started using zentyal.. for ldap initially.. but now i'm using it for mail server too
00:12
<TheMatrix3000>
ESXi is free
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00:12
<TheMatrix3000>
dude, i hated Zentyal, it wouldn't populate our intranet site and ticket system for SSO
00:12
<andygraybeal>
oh and i use kvm... so is kvm not a hypervisor? i'm so confused.
00:12
<TheMatrix3000>
i was pissed
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00:12
<ball>
TheMatrix3000: Do Vmware have something that could achieve the fail-over that we're looking for?
00:12
<andygraybeal>
hah what ticket system?
00:12
<ball>
(glue to stick two servers together)?
00:13
<TheMatrix3000>
lol, when you have 70 computers...eek
00:13
i am using OS Ticket right now
00:13
and about to implement OTRS
00:13* ball is not havening tickets
00:13
<andygraybeal>
TheMatrix3000, i'm using RT
00:13
<TheMatrix3000>
cause I need to start a database for Asset Management
00:13
by request of our CFO
00:13
and for PCI compliance it helps
00:14
<andygraybeal>
does OTRS handle assets that aren't IT related?
00:14
<TheMatrix3000>
i dont know
00:14
im just responsible for IT assets
00:14
<andygraybeal>
do you have to deal with a payment system?
00:14
<TheMatrix3000>
monitors computers servers
00:14
yes
00:14
its how people pay us
00:14
lol
00:14
<andygraybeal>
what monitoring system do you use?
00:14
<TheMatrix3000>
we meet PCI at the colo
00:14
i don't know the details
00:14
that was there before I was hired
00:15
I think we are PCI-4
00:15
if i remember correctly
00:15
<ball>
Is PCI a HIPPA thing?
00:15
<andygraybeal>
hippa is medical, pci is payment system
00:15
<TheMatrix3000>
https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
00:16* ball never heard of it, but then I rarely get paid.
00:16
<andygraybeal>
are you in the states?
00:16
<TheMatrix3000>
if you sell something and make a lot of business and use or store customer information you need to meet a pci compliance
00:16* ball nods
00:16
<TheMatrix3000>
i am yes
00:16
<ball>
I am now, yes.
00:16
Ah, we don't have customers.
00:17
<TheMatrix3000>
you know best buy right?
00:17
they need to meet PCI compliance
00:17
they are prolly PCI-1
00:17
Kroger also is another
00:17
there are many
00:17
oh I forgot my other title
00:17
im also the Security Analyst
00:17
lol
00:17
<ball>
TheMatrix3000: I am aware of Best Buy.
00:17
<TheMatrix3000>
handling network security here
00:18
<ball>
We don't have much in the way of security
00:18
...but then people wander in-and-out of the office all the time.
00:18
<TheMatrix3000>
lol
00:19
for teh first time im implementing SSO to help stop people from using 123456 as a password
00:19
and using LDAP for authentication to most of our systems
00:19
including our LTSP servers
00:19
and NFS shares
00:20* ball wouldn't know where to start with LDAP
00:20
<andygraybeal>
ball, me neither, that' why i am using zentyal
00:20
<Parker955>
make it so people can't use "password" either
00:20
:p
00:20
<TheMatrix3000>
lol
00:20
try using FusionDirectory
00:21
it is amazing
00:21
started by some developers from the GOSA project
00:21
it's my favorite thing in the world
00:22
they even have a script to install the ldifs for you
00:22
do a /join #fusiondirectory
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they will help you get started
00:22
they also have a site with a wiki
00:22
i was working on some documentation for it
00:24
<mistik1>
fusion directory?
00:24
<TheMatrix3000>
yep
00:25
its a web interface management for openldap
00:25
<mistik1>
I've not played with ldap in years
00:25
<TheMatrix3000>
also can handle restricting ssh access
00:25
and all kinds of stuff
00:25
<mistik1>
interesting
00:25
<TheMatrix3000>
ah figured it out
00:25
<ball>
Pity it has to have a Web interface.
00:25
<TheMatrix3000>
i can do redundancy on LTSP with rsync
00:25
<ball>
Why is it that everything these days wants to be a Web server?
00:25
<TheMatrix3000>
no it doesn't have to have one
00:26
i actually have a server that only has LDAP on it
00:26
the Fusion Directory web interface is on my webserver
00:26
completely seperate peice of hardware
00:26
for good reason
00:28
<andygraybeal>
TheMatrix3000, that sounds bad ass
00:28
TheMatrix3000, i wish i knew about it earlier
00:28
oh man i ewven love their logo, dandilion
00:28
omg, it's brand new
00:29
<mistik1>
too bad its written in php
00:29
<andygraybeal>
well i'll keep my eye on it.
00:29
<TheMatrix3000>
lol
00:29
it's not really new
00:29
look at GOSA
00:29* andygraybeal looks up gosa
00:29
<TheMatrix3000>
the developers forked it from GOSA this year because of how GOSA wouldn't produce much documentation
00:30
so a few developers left and took the code and promised to make it open and easier for developers to make addons etc
00:31
ione thing to keep in mind though
00:31
as you increase the amount of services within your organization teh complexity goes up
00:32
you must meep in mind that if your ldap server fails, users cannot login
00:32
if your nfs server fails people won't have their home directories
00:32
<andygraybeal>
zentyal i have some replication
00:32
<TheMatrix3000>
so plan for redundancy
00:32
<andygraybeal>
er yea, redundancy
00:32
<TheMatrix3000>
yes, it does
00:32
but it doesn't store all the information on each servers ldap
00:32
use an ldap browser and look and compare
00:33
there are differences
00:33
<andygraybeal>
gah blasted.
00:33
<TheMatrix3000>
hence why i stopped using zentyal
00:33
<mistik1>
Cant you simply setup slaves of whichever ldap server it uses?
00:33
<TheMatrix3000>
i couldn't point joomla to grab the mail attribute from ldap on teh master
00:33
yes
00:33
you can
00:33
that's what im doing now
00:34
<andygraybeal>
with zentyal i have slaves setup
00:34
<TheMatrix3000>
but zentyal isn't an identical slave
00:34
<andygraybeal>
aah okay
00:34
<TheMatrix3000>
hence why i got mad at it
00:34
<andygraybeal>
yes.
00:34
<TheMatrix3000>
cause it didn't copy my entire ldap database
00:34
<andygraybeal>
yes, i don't know if i like it or not.. but i'm using it
00:34
<TheMatrix3000>
it basically grabbed users and that was it
00:35
it's simple though
00:35
<andygraybeal>
i don't know as much as you do, so i can't compare.
00:35
<TheMatrix3000>
Zentyal is super simple, but my requirements surpassed the ability of Zentyal
00:36
<andygraybeal>
aight, i think i'm out for the day..
00:36
<TheMatrix3000>
later
00:36
<andygraybeal>
yea, nice talking
00:36
<TheMatrix3000>
it was
00:40
anyone here using rsync on ltsp?
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01:50
<alkisg>
nubae: hey man, how are you?
01:52
<nubae>
yeah not too bad
01:52
u
01:52
just got flamed out of a channel
01:53
am surprised... that hasn't happened to me ever I think
01:53
<alkisg>
Everything's fine here :) nubae.com has been down for a while...
01:53
<nubae>
and to believe it was because I wanted to help improve their distro
01:53
<alkisg>
Haha
01:53
which one? opensuse?
01:53
<nubae>
really
01:54
ltsplogbot is up though or is that someone elses
01:54
<alkisg>
No idea... we're trying to get the logs to irclogs.ltsp.org, in the official domain
01:54
<nubae>
hmmmm so just site
01:54
<alkisg>
jammcq will do that tomorrow, for now the logs are there: http://www.middelkoop.cc/~ltspbot/
01:55
<nubae>
let me see it was working a week or so a go
01:55
<alkisg>
But we're missing the last 4 months, maybe you have them on your server?
01:55
<nubae>
weird
01:55
<alkisg>
He have from 2006 to 2011/03/07, if you have from March to now you'd fill the missing bits :)
01:58
<nubae>
wow something bad must happened to httpd
01:58
eveerything else is fine
02:02
back
02:02
hmmmmm
02:02
apache just blew
02:03
no explanation
02:03
well take a look its up now
02:03
last 4 months should be there
02:03
wow, truly weird
02:04
u could have emailed :p
02:04
<alkisg>
I thought you'd have seen your whole site's down :D
02:04
<nubae>
actuallly i should have the system email me
02:04
was away
02:05
<alkisg>
Ah nice, all the logs are there. Do you mind if we host them in irclogs.ltsp.org? He have older years too, sbalneav sent them, since 2006
02:05
But we're missing the months from march to june, if you could send those...
02:05
<nubae>
2 weeks go by, u dont always notice if everything else is going
02:06
no problem, but u do the leg work
02:06
<alkisg>
Sure, just the raw log files would be fine
02:06
<nubae>
u want the bot 2?
02:06
<alkisg>
No we have that up and running
02:06
<nubae>
ok
02:06
well
02:06
<alkisg>
http://www.middelkoop.cc/~ltspbot/ for a demo
02:06
It does both factoids + logs
02:07
<nubae>
believe me when i tell u its a mess in there.... several years of ltsp logs
02:07
day or even hours by hours
02:07
<alkisg>
No no, not all of them, just the last 4 months
02:07
<nubae>
let me get it ready for ya next couple days
02:08
i know... then u'll have to do some bash or perl magic
02:08
<alkisg>
Also, *if* you want, you could have a redirect from nubae.com/logs to irclogs.ltsp.org, for google to pick up their new location
02:08
<nubae>
yeah lets do that
02:08
<alkisg>
Right, I already did that with sbalneav's logs, the format wasn't correct
02:09
<nubae>
give me a day, its late here
02:09
cant think
02:09
<alkisg>
He had names like 22-Sun-2011.log, and unfortunately that contained 2 or even 3 days from the same year
02:09
<nubae>
straight
02:09
need
02:09
<alkisg>
I had to separate them into 2-3 files
02:09
<nubae>
sleep
02:09
<alkisg>
No problem, don't worry.
02:09
<nubae>
ok talk later, thanks for noticing the site downage
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02:18
<benonsoftware>
!ops
02:18
<ltsp>
benonsoftware: I do not know about 'ops', but I do know about these similar topics: 'o'
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02:21
<alkisg>
!learn ops as To find out who has op in an irc channel, the command is: /msg chanserv access #channel list
02:21
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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11:35
<jammcq>
good morning friends
11:35
Hyperbyte: hey, nice job on the IRC logs
11:36
<alkisg>
Hi jammcq :)
11:36
Let's change the topic and make it official :P
11:36
<jammcq>
yeah, I agree
11:36
<alkisg>
Btw shortening the docs url to "docs.ltsp.org", even if it's just a redirect, would be nice too
11:37
<jammcq>
umm, I dunno where to set that
11:37
the docs redirect
11:38
<alkisg>
First, type: /topic LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and openSUSE has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org, LTSP Docs: http://docs.ltsp.org
11:38
(you have the rights to set channel topic)
11:38
Then, create another cname for docs.ltsp.org and point them to Hyperbyte's server again,
11:38
<jammcq>
ah, that could work
11:38
<alkisg>
And Hyperbyte will create a small page with an http redirect in his server, which will redirect to the sf wiki
11:39
<jammcq>
yeah, /topic I can handle
11:40
So I'll set a CNAME for docs.ltsp.org and point it to ltspdocs.middelkoop.cc
11:41
does that sound about right?
11:41
<alkisg>
Now, Hyperbyte's interested in making much more out of the ltsp.org site, if he's allowed to - but I'll let you 2 talk about those yourselves, I was mainly interested about the irc logs :)
11:41
Just middelkoop.cc will do
11:41
No need for "ltspdocs" in front of it
11:41
<jammcq>
but middelkoop.cc doesn't resolve to an IP address, does it?
11:41
<alkisg>
It does, it has an A record
11:41
<jammcq>
oh, it does
11:42
it only doesn't if I type 'middlekoop.cc' :)
11:42
<alkisg>
Hehe :D
11:42
<jammcq>
should I change the irclogs cname too?
11:42
<alkisg>
Yup
11:50ChanServ sets mode: +o jammcq
11:50jammcq changes topic to "LTSP-5 is the current version that you should be using. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora for awesome integration. Gentoo is getting very close and Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org, LTSP Docs: http://docs.ltsp.org"
11:52
<jammcq>
Hyperbyte will need to configure something so that docs.ltsp.org works
11:52
<alkisg>
Yeah he'll make a vhost and a php redirect there, np
11:52
Thanks jammcq, you rock :)
11:52
<jammcq>
heh, no prob
11:53
<alkisg>
If you can hang around a bit more, I think Hyperbyte wanted to talk to you about adding more features to ltsp.org
11:53
<jammcq>
alkisg: we may be changing the dates of BTS. It seems that UDS has changed their date, pushing it back a week
11:53
so to make it easier for our international travelers, we'll possibly push BTS back a week too
11:54
<alkisg>
I think I'll only be able to come if I get a UDS sponsorship, so I prefer if BTS is right next/before UDS. So no problem from me
11:54
<jammcq>
I'll be around all morning, but I may not be focusing on the channel, so if he wants to talk to me, it may take several minutes for me to see it
11:54
<alkisg>
OK
11:55
<Hyperbyte>
Hey jammcq :)
11:55
<jammcq>
hey, there he is
11:55
nice job on the irclogs
11:55
<alkisg>
Yup, the official ltsp.org web designer :D
11:55
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks :)
11:56
Can I /msg you for a bit?
11:56
<jammcq>
sure
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<dead_inside>
wow the topic has changed
14:39
its weird though that docs.ltsp.org does not go to ltsp documentation
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<Hyperbyte>
Quite offtopic, but if anyone is wondering what it looks like when a 294 meter high radio broadcast tower collapses in the Netherlands due to fire, this is it:
15:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLYdNnA3XUU
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<knipwim>
wow, totally missed that one!
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: reminder to create an apache vhost and a simple php script that does an http redirect from http://docs.ltsp.org to http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, done. Did it via RewriteRule directly from apache.
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<roasted>
Hi. If I have 2 nics in my server and LTSP is running dhcp, if I plug in both ports without bonding will it somehow balance traffic on its own?
18:32
or would it be useless?
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<Hyperbyte>
roasted, without bonding the nics will have two different IP addresses, won't they?
18:52
<roasted>
Hyperbyte, I was thinking of putting each NIC IP to be one apart, like 10.52.11.1 and 10.52.11.2
18:52
Hyperbyte, and both of those IP's would be within the same scope, with 11.1 handing out the IPs
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I just wonder if 11.2 would handle traffic or if 11.2 would be ignored and 11.1 take the full brunt of *everything
18:53
*
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19:24* Hyperbyte shrugs
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: how did you say you got the guest login working? It was you, wasn't it?
19:38
<Hyperbyte>
Guest login?
19:38
Oh, you mean the mandatory profile thing?
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Or temporary profile?
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Because guest login is easy, via LDM_GUESLOGIN=True and LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
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But I think you know that already
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<alkisg>
The temporary profile thing
19:40
I think LDM_GUESTLOGIN is a bit of misnomer in ltsp
19:41
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe
19:41
Well, I ended up creating one guest account per client, as you suggested
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And configured lts.conf with the correct per-client account details
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All the accounts are configured to have their home in /misc/<username>/ although you could do it with /home/ as well, I just chose to seperate it
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<alkisg>
Good idea
19:42
<Hyperbyte>
Then I configured autofs on the /misc/<usernames>/ folder
19:42
File /etc/auto.misc, gast1 -fstype=tmpfs,size=50M,rw :tmpfs
19:42
Whenever the home directory for the guest is accessed, a new tmpfs is mounted there...
19:43
<alkisg>
50M? Isn't that too low? I thought firefox cache is 50M...
19:43
<Hyperbyte>
When I booted Firefox it was 35M
19:43
I gave it 15M room
19:43
Remember there's not really gonna be a cache, not between sessions anyways.
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<alkisg>
I think while surfing firefox is keeping cache, and the default cache size is 50 M
19:43
So if a client surfs for e.g. half an hour, he surely will exceed that
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
That's a possibility yeah
19:44
Well it could be more. :P
19:44
It's a number...
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<alkisg>
That's why I was thinking of using a real home instead of a tmpfs...
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, but then you need some way to wipe it.
19:44
<alkisg>
Also a tmpfs would limit the number of user accounts
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
tmpfs does that automatically.
19:44
<alkisg>
Wiping at login/logout, preferably via pam
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
That's why I chose tmpfs.
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<alkisg>
Personally i'd prefer on login, so that I would have the user data stored on the server, in case something malicious was reported
19:45
So I wouldn't even wipe on logout
19:46
<Hyperbyte>
I don't need their home dirs to find out what they did (proxy, network monitoring)
19:46
<alkisg>
Any how-to for autofs on ubuntu?
19:46
<Hyperbyte>
It's easy
19:46
Surprisingly easy
19:46
<alkisg>
Will this do? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs
19:46
<Hyperbyte>
apt-get install autofs (duh)
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Make autofs start on boot
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Edit /etc/auto.master... there you can specify a directory, a configuration and a timeout for the mount. E.g: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60
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This reads /etc/auto.misc for mountpoints in the /misc dir
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Then in /etc/auto.misc you can put gast1 -fstype=tmpfs,size=100M,rw :tmpfs
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Where 'gast1' is the directory in /misc and :tmpfs is the mountpoint
19:48
Sorry, not the mountpoint, the block device
19:48
Or partition
19:48
Or whatever you call it.
19:48
If you then cd /misc/gast1 it mounts tmpfs on there.
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<alkisg>
Wait, so gast1 is relative to the user home folder?
19:49
Ah, it mounts on access?
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<Hyperbyte>
Yeah
19:49
autofs = automatically mount filesystems
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<alkisg>
And when does it unmount it? Automatically when file handles are closed?
19:49
<Hyperbyte>
If you're not going the tmpfs way, you don't need it
19:50
21:47 <Hyperbyte> Edit /etc/auto.master... there you can specify a directory, a configuration and a timeout for the mount. E.g: /misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60
19:50
:)
19:50
<alkisg>
So timeout is for after all file handles are closed... neat
19:50
<Hyperbyte>
I chose mounting tmpfs using autofs, so I wouldn't ever have to worry about guest files appearing on my filesystem
19:51
Because wherever you're gonna put the guest home dir, they need write access for .X* files
19:51
Which means they need write access to their entire home dir, which means they can do all kinds of funky crap on your server. tmpfs and autofs gave me a nice way of limiting storage, wiping it and making sure they couldn't touch the harddisk.
19:52
It does use some ram of course, but only when the clients are logged in.
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<alkisg>
It's a good idea, I just don't think it would suit anyone. E.g. if you want to give 500 MB tmpfs to 20 users, you're gonna need lots of RAM
19:53
Also, in some cases keeping some directories would be handy, some teachers have asked for that
19:54
<Hyperbyte>
It suits me, because I only have 1 or 2 guests logged in max, at very sparse occassions.
19:54
<alkisg>
And, you don't prohibit them from using the disk anyway, since they can write to /tmp, right?
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that is true.
19:55
But for me it's for the students or volunteers who sometimes visit our office to do some work.
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It's only 1 or 2 simultaneous max, and I don't want to see any trace of them or their files whatsoever. So tmpfs suits me best.
19:55* alkisg is intrigued by the automatic mounting of autofs though... I bet I'll find other use cases for this in the future
19:56
<Hyperbyte>
Heh... I once did it for enabling employees to upload big files to our website
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Like brochures, which they send to a printer (as in, printshop)
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They can't mail it, so it needs to upload.
19:57
<alkisg>
Btw, is the gdm guest session Ubuntu-specific is it there on other distros too?
19:57
<Hyperbyte>
I mounted some public dir on the website via NFS on the local server, via autofs.
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<alkisg>
If it's not Ubuntu specific, we might be able to have ltsp use that for guest sessions
19:57
/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/guest-session-launch
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<Hyperbyte>
So they click a folder to upload to the webserver, the server mounts NFS, and then presents the freshly NFS mounted folder. I always liked the autofs concept. :)
19:58
<alkisg>
Yeah it sound very handy
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
Haven't tried guest sessions. Not sure if it exists in Fedora.
19:58
Seems like an Ubuntu thing
19:59
There's a third party Fedora hosted project that does it, according to Google https://fedorahosted.org/guest-account/
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<alkisg>
Step 1. "Apply gdm-guestlogin.patch to GDM"
20:00
Not for mass use yet, it seams
20:00
<Hyperbyte>
No
20:00
But I think it's very likely LTSP and Fedora will part ways anyways.
20:00
How does Ubuntu's guest account work?
20:01
It creates a temporary account I guess?
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<alkisg>
I don't know all the bits. It creates a temporary account, spawns a second X server, and logs in there
20:01
And the guest can't access /home/otherusers
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<Hyperbyte>
I don't think anyone can access another users' home dir, right?
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<alkisg>
It's a little unstable too, especially now with KMS, 2 X servers frequently crash
20:02
By default, all have read access
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(in debian/ubuntu, don't know about other distros)
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<Hyperbyte>
Ubuntu gives users read access to everyone's home dir by default? :O
20:03
That's..... wow.
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<alkisg>
Yeah, but of course not for personal folders
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That was the default for a long time, afaik
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That's how finger etc worked
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<Hyperbyte>
Fedora doesn't, never has.
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<alkisg>
.plan and other ancient unix staff
20:04
E.g. up until the last version of gdm, it looked in $HOME/face.png for the user picture to display on the login screen
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<Hyperbyte>
mhm
20:04
Well Fedora's user dir default is drwx------
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<alkisg>
Yeah I just tried on the bot server: umask => 0002 on fedora, 0022 on ubuntu
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<Hyperbyte>
All home dirs and user accounts are created on my Fedora NIS/NFS server... so I'd no idea.
20:06
But that's pretty different.
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