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Channel log from 8 September 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<PMantis>
Hi guys. I just upgraded a Ubuntu 8.04 server to 8.10 then to 9.04. I found a vmlinuz symlink to a non-existant file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386. Reinstalling ltsp-server didn't help. I re-ran ltsp-build client, ltsp-update-sshkeys, ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update-kernels, but no vmlinuz file. dpkg doesn't show any package as providing this file. When is it supposed to be created?
01:22
<alkisg>
PMantis: What do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 ? Could you put ls -lha in pastebot.ltsp.org?
01:23
<PMantis>
alkisg: I have pxelinux.0 and lts.conf
01:23
I rm'd all the broken symlinks
01:23
<alkisg>
Urm... do you have a kernel installed in the chroot?
01:24
<PMantis>
in /opt/ltsp/i386 ? I've rm'd that and re-ran ltsp-build-client.
01:24
I can chroot if you want....
01:25
<alkisg>
Yup, (distro/version?) e.g. something like that for ubuntu: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l linux* | grep ^ii
01:26
<PMantis>
Ubuntu 9.04, as of tonight.
01:26
<alkisg>
Right sorry /me is multitasking :)
01:26
<PMantis>
np
01:27
Hmmm, no kernels.
01:27
only linux-sound-base
01:27
<alkisg>
Yeah another one had that, I wonder why...
01:27
OK, just install a kernel there
01:27
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
01:27
mount -t proc proc /proc
01:28
apt-get update
01:28
apt-get install linux-image-generic
01:28
umount /proc
01:28
exit
01:28
<PMantis>
Was already in the chroot... but. cool
01:28
<alkisg>
sudo ltsp-update-image
01:28
sudo ltsp-update-kernels
01:29
<PMantis>
No sudo needed, already su'd to root, but I gotcha.
01:29
<alkisg>
OK
01:29
<PMantis>
Which script is actually responsible for writing the vmlinuz file to the tftboot dir?
01:30
<alkisg>
ltsp-update-kernels
01:30
<PMantis>
ok, creating image
01:31
ok, do you know if it reads the chroot dir, or the img file?
01:31
<alkisg>
the chroot
01:31
<PMantis>
Neat, did it fully populate now.
01:32
err s/did/dir/
01:32
<alkisg>
I wonder why the missing kernel problem, though... any ideas?
01:32
<PMantis>
I did see some messages scrolling by in the image creation that didn't look right, but scroll by so fast...
01:33
<alkisg>
Did you put any parameters to ltsp-build-client ?
01:33
<PMantis>
No, running i386 on server, so no need to change params
01:34
It exited with an edubuntu-artwork-usplash package not found, however.
01:34
If I remember the package name correctly.
01:34
This was an Ubuntu 8.04, with some edubuntu packages added on.
01:35
<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe the edubuntu hooks had a problem. Well... :-/
01:35
<PMantis>
Heh, never know.. used to be a separate distro, but not just seen as add-on packages.
01:35
<alkisg>
I hope the kernel is the only thing missing :D
01:36
<PMantis>
I just don't know where it gets the idea to look for an edubuntu package for the chroot...
01:36
hah, yeah.
01:36
If it's a big issue, I can generate a chroot on a customer server, and scp is over. :)
01:37
<alkisg>
I don't know... well, you could do that, or you could try and see if it works, and leave it at that ;)
01:37
<PMantis>
However, I like to understand WHY things fail, not just work around them to get it working... 'cause sooner or later, a problem worked around will show itself again.
01:38
<alkisg>
Maybe it had something to do with the changed in edubuntu packaging. You could file a bug if you want to.
01:38
<PMantis>
heh, and get shot down? :-/
01:38
<alkisg>
Nah... who does that? :D
01:40
<PMantis>
Nobody I know. :)
01:40
Trying: ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp-test/i386
01:40
<alkisg>
No, I think base=/opt/ltsp-test
01:40
<PMantis>
Hmm
01:40
<alkisg>
The /i386 is added at the base *I think*
01:40
<PMantis>
Well, not expecting to actually USE it...
01:41
<alkisg>
OK, but you'll get it at /opt/ltsp-test/i386/i386
01:41
<PMantis>
Just have to remove it from inetd.conf
01:41
<alkisg>
k
01:41
<PMantis>
Before I forget.... THANKS!
01:42
<alkisg>
np. /me goes back to some python hacking...
01:42
<PMantis>
I don't have a full thin client here to test, so after this completes, I'll reboot my laptop to try PXE.
01:42
I should have some info for you in a couple
01:43
Set my terminal scrollback to 10k lines for the ssh session.
01:44
<alkisg>
Yeah keep that in case it's needed for a bug report
01:45
<PMantis>
apt had a failed to (get) message there, but GONE. Have to scroll back l8r
01:47
Lots of these errors:
01:47
debconf: (Failed to open fd 3: Bad file descriptor at (eval 22) line 3)
01:47
but it looks like it's finishing!
01:48
<alkisg>
So fast? Woah, you got a fast internet connection there... :)
01:48
Check if a kernel was installed.
01:50
<PMantis>
ltsp-build-client actually created an image, too this time.
01:50
Looking for kernel...
01:50
10Mbps cable connection here, so NB
01:51
Yup, kernel there.
01:52
<alkisg>
Go figure :-/
01:52
<PMantis>
But WHY, does it fail in the normal dir if I rm-rf /opt/tsp/i386 first???
01:52
<alkisg>
Does it? Wow!
01:52
Do move the new chroot to the old location, though, it seems more stable :)
01:53
<PMantis>
heh
01:54
Just looked at 'history', and yup... cd /opt/ltsp, rm -rf i386, then ltsp-build-client
01:54
Hmmm, I wanna try that again.
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<PMantis>
Ughhhh, sleep pressure... but... must... finish... server...
02:03
alkisg: Uhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm... It's *WORKING* this time.
02:04
These scrips must be sensitive to what's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp ...
02:04
Yup, finished succesfully
02:05* alkisg shrugs
02:06
<PMantis>
Well, was failing... built one in separate dir success, then rebuild in orig dir (no params on ltsp-build-client) and it works.
02:06
If that's the solution, then it sounds like a bug on at least some level.
02:06
alkisg: Either way, thank you... you led me to a working solution!
02:06
Now I'll reboot the laptop to try PXE.
02:07
<alkisg>
You're welcome :)
02:07
<PMantis>
ttyl
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<zeltron>
Hi
02:36
<alkisg>
hi
02:37
<zeltron>
I'm looking for some help to setup localapps on a lenny LTSP server
02:38
I found docs on the net about ltsp-localapps scripts that seem to make it work easily
02:39
but no trace of those scripts on my server, and no trace on the net for a place to download them.
02:40
Do I need to upgrade my LTSP server, or does those scripts only exist in Ubuntu version?
02:40
<alkisg>
Those scripts are in ltsp-upstream, so they're in debian as well
02:41
<zeltron>
ltsp-upstream?
02:41
<alkisg>
I don't know which ltsp version debian has, though. Most debian-knowing people are here in ...12 hours or so (afternoon for me, don't know what that is for you)
02:42
I guess ltsp-localapps should be there in lenny.
02:42
Do you have a /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps file?
02:42
<zeltron>
It's morning for me (I'm French)
02:43
I don't have ltsp-localapps neither in /usr/bin, nor everywhere else
02:43
<alkisg>
So I guess you'd have to use the testing packages to get them...
02:43
<zeltron>
Using locate (update db is ok, of course), but found nothing
02:44
Ok Thanks, I'll try to install a testing version, and see if I can get them this way.
02:45
<alkisg>
vagrantc is the debian maintainer for ltsp, and hangs around here in the afternoon (me=Greek, we're in similar timezones). If you don't know how to enable the testing repos, you could ask him for a how-to...
02:45
<zeltron>
... and I'll come back in 12 hours to see if vagrantc can help me if needed
02:45
<alkisg>
k
02:45
<zeltron>
Thanks
02:51
<NeonLicht>
alkisg, I've just fixed the problem I had with the second LTSP server. The tftpd-hpa daemon wasn't running, and that's why the client couldn't download neither nbi.img nor pxelinux.0.
02:51
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: nice. Why wasn't it running, since it was there in inetd.conf ?
02:53
<NeonLicht>
No idea, alkisg, really, I've restarted inetd several times and it wasn't working, than I've though about taking it out from inetd.conf and running it as a daemon, but before I've done it, it has starting working... no idea why, really :(
02:53
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: but really, multiple dhcp servers with no proper planning would get you into a lot of headaches in the future.
02:54
(personal opinion)
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08:53
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:53
<ogra>
!s
08:53
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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09:05
<stgraber>
!s
09:05
<ltspbot>
stgraber: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:06
<alkisg>
!o
09:06
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
09:06
<alkisg>
Hmmm and what's the letter for stgraber ? :)
09:06
<stgraber>
alkisg: I don't think I'm famous enough yet to have one ;)
09:07
<alkisg>
Heh :D
09:07
<ogra>
stgraber, sbalneav, i'm all booked for BTS btw :)
09:11* sbalneav capers about the room wildly
09:11
<sbalneav>
\o/
09:11* sbalneav hugs ogra
09:11* rjune_ imagines sbalneav capering..
09:11
<ogra>
:)
09:11
<sbalneav>
I'm rather large for capering
09:12
Perhaps lumbering joyfully
09:12
"Wiggling and jiggling like a bowlful of jelly"
09:13
<rjune_>
heh
09:18
<stgraber>
ogra: yeah, saw that, will be great having your around
09:19
<ogra>
costs me a fortune ...
09:19
but its worth it :)
09:19
and indeed i have to be available to ma colleaguers for armel issues at any time :P
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09:27
<garymc>
anyone know why my sound stops working in my thin client after a short while of using it?
09:27
im using Ubuntu 9.04 LTSP server
09:28
<stgraber>
ogra: any chance we get a new ldm gtk greeter ? ;)
09:28
<garymc>
it works fine to start with, so dont know if its when the screen saver comes on or just a short while and it stops playing sound
09:28
<ogra>
stgraber, i might look into my old code :)
09:28
no promoses
09:29
(and prom*i*ses either :P )
09:33
<sbalneav>
ogra: I can work on that with you
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<Q-FUNK>
re
10:22
victims^Wvolunters with Geode GX2 hardware for a test? ;)
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<zamba>
the size of the chroot image.. what implication can that have? booting time?
10:28
just that or anything else?
10:29
and if you enable local apps in lts.conf, will the client ONLY use local apps or will it look on the server for applications that's not on the server?
10:29
eh
10:29
.. for applications that's not in the image
10:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: in answer to your localapps question, entering LOCAL_APPS = Y and LOCAL_APPS_MENU = TRUE in your lts.conf will cause your TC to search for resident programs before going to the server
10:32
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: ok, cool.. so the application in the image will override the ones on the server
10:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
you can also specify which menu items to search for on the client by entering "LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS = firefox, tuxtype,etc..."
10:33
zamba: for myself, I enter all three lines
10:33
but yes. with those entries, it will override the server's resident programs
10:33
<zamba>
but you still have to manually select the local apps from a separate menu?
10:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
about your questions pertaining to image size, I know it affects the amount of time require to build an image... :)
10:34
adding localapps will also take up a certain amount of RAM on the ramdrive on the client as well.
10:35
<zamba>
yeah, so it's basically just for the clients with a little bit of extra juice
10:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
define juice :)
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<zamba>
power :)
10:42
but again.. the users will have to explicitly choose the application from the local apps menu?
10:44
<zeltron>
Hi, I need help for localapps. First, my ltsp server is on Debian lenny and I can'f find the localapps scripts. Is that normal ?
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<zeltron>
Have I asked the wrong question ? the right question, but the wrong way? or nobody knows?...
11:00
;-)
11:01
sorry... Bye !
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<jammcq>
hello friends
11:20
<Q-FUNK>
!j
11:20
<ltspbot>
Q-FUNK: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<bieb>
hey is there a way for me to see who is logged into a particular terminal at a given time?
11:30
<Q-FUNK>
'w'
11:34
<bieb>
Q-FUNK: thanks
11:35
Q-FUNK: is there a way for me to log and say that student x was logged into client z prior to student y?
11:35
<garymc>
would the sound on the Thin client normally stop working after it goes off idle? When i get back to my desk after 10 mins etc the sound doesnt work anymore
11:36
no it works after going idle just done a test
11:36
why is my sound stopping to work after a certain amount of time or times sound played?
11:38
I goto sound preferances: error message: gconfaudiosink profile=music: Failed to connect: Connection refused
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<Gadi>
bieb: use "last"
11:42
<bieb>
thanks Gadi
11:44
last
11:44
lol.. wrong window
11:44
<ogra>
las longer !
11:44
bah
11:44
*last
11:45
jammcq, all booked ... :D
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<cnc>
hey guys, my pxe clients started acting up, all the sounds and videos they watch go super fast, like they're in fast forward
12:01
Gadi: any suggestions?
12:02
<cliebow>
ogra:you cvoming??
12:02
<ogra>
cliebow, yep, likely even a day early
12:02
<cliebow>
very cool!
12:02
<ogra>
not sure yet if i take a hotel break or driver through directly ...
12:03
*drive
12:03
<cliebow>
right
12:03* ogra lands at 6:30 pm in portland ... and has a rental car ... i need to see how my jetlag behaves :)
12:04
<cliebow>
sure...
12:04
<Gadi>
cnc: consistently in every application?
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<jammcq>
ogra: all booked????
12:10
AWESOME !!!!!!!
12:10
<ogra>
yep :)
12:11
<jammcq>
that's fantastic
12:11
<ogra>
it is, but i need to be available to my co workers as much as possible
12:11
<jammcq>
ogra: the good news is the internet is better than it was last time you were there
12:11
<ogra>
it's release week and i'm the only guy knowing about some stuff of some specialized images
12:12
<jammcq>
we have a direct connection right in the building, instead of using wireless across the parking lot
12:12* ogra will fall dead after release ... returning from BTS and four doubleshifts ahead
12:12
<ogra>
but hey, i get to see my friends !
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12:14* Gadi sends ogra some tape - a few pieces to hold the eyes open and a few to keep the beer bottle in hand
12:15
<ogra>
hey, i'm on wine if at home :)
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<Gadi>
I never thought I'd hear you using windows apps ;)
12:15* Gadi goes to blog...
12:15
<ogra>
its not an emulator ! :)
12:16
anyway, had a long day, susie waits downstairs ...
12:16* ogra shores^Wwaves ... and calls it a day
12:18* vagrantc waves
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<cnc>
Gadi: yes, primarily using internet explorer
12:42
<johnny>
ok hi... back sorta
12:42
test
12:44
<Gadi>
internet explorer?
12:44
through wine?
12:44
<johnny>
gadi: just reply test
12:45
<Gadi>
test
12:45
test
12:45
test
12:45
test
12:45
buffer overflow
12:45
<johnny>
thanks.. i can't see my own posted messages with new transport.. still working out bugs
12:46
<cnc>
Gadi: no, using rdesktop to access TS
12:47
<Gadi>
so, is it only the windows apps via rdesktop that are fast?
12:47
<cnc>
Gadi: yes, dont have any setups that aren't running rdesktop but I can try that
12:48
<Gadi>
and, are you using an rdesktop screen script or are you going from Linux server to WTS?
12:48
<cnc>
Gadi: also for good measure, I deleted my chroot and completely rebuilt the client
12:48
Gadi: screen script
12:49
<Gadi>
are you running the sound through pulseaudio in the screen script or going straight to alsa?
12:49
ie, is pulseaudio running on the client
12:49
<cnc>
Gadi: I'm not sure
12:50
Gadi: i know I put in options to redirect sound to alsa in lts.conf
12:50
<Gadi>
did you need to edit the chroot at all?
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<cnc>
Gadi: no, only did the normal upgrades and rebuilds
12:50
<Gadi>
do you have SOUND=False in lts.conf?
12:51
<cnc>
I believe so
12:51
double checking now
12:51
<Gadi>
ok
12:51
<cnc>
Gadi: no
12:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: pertaining to your last question about ltsp localapps: no. The programs assigned to localapps are those defined by the administrator via lts.conf. The user has no choice as to where they are running their applications from.
12:52
<Gadi>
interesting... cnc - what distro/version?
12:52
<cnc>
Gadi: ubuntu 9.04
12:53
<Gadi>
try adding SOUND=False to lts.conf and see if it has an effect
12:53
<cnc>
Gadi: k trying now
12:53
<Gadi>
whats weird is, someone on the listserv was not getting dound at all in rdesktop by default in 9.04
12:53
*sound
12:54
can you pastebot your lts.conf?
12:54
Im curious
12:55
<cnc>
!pastebot
12:55
<ltspbot>
cnc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
12:56
<ltsppbot>
"cnc" pasted "lts.conf" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/502
12:56
<cnc>
Gadi: there it is
12:57
<Gadi>
did setting Sound=False have an effect?
12:58
<cnc>
i'm updating the image right now
12:58
<Gadi>
no need to update the image for that
12:58
<cnc>
Gadi: I know it's not required after changing lts.conf but I always do it anywayz
12:58
<Gadi>
lol
12:59
you must enjoy watching pots boil and paint dry
12:59
<cnc>
call me strange lol
12:59
honestly it's nice to take a break from other problems
12:59
I stay busy lol
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<cnc>
Gadi: that fixed it
13:09
<Gadi>
cool
13:09
<cnc>
Gadi: I do have one more question
13:10
Gadi: the username on rdesktop now says " where it should be blank
13:10
<Gadi>
one per customer
13:10
:P
13:10
ah, yeah
13:10
<cnc>
Gadi: lol I fixed it before but my laptp crashed and I lost my notes
13:10
<Gadi>
I believe you need an "eval" rather than an "exec"
13:10
one sec...
13:10
<cnc>
Gadi: thats it
13:11
Gadi: no wait, if it says exec
13:11
Gadi: needs to say exec eval
13:11
<Gadi>
eval exec $COMMAND
13:11
thats it
13:11
<cnc>
Gadi: whhich file?
13:12
<Gadi>
in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc
13:12
last line
13:13
<cnc>
Gadi: you are the man ty
13:14
sigh, ltsp fixed.....now to fix cisco issue
13:14
I know this is the wrong one
13:15
*room
13:15
but
13:15
every light on every switch i have in the network blinks as fast as it possibly can
13:15
and cisco guys aren't as nice as you gys
13:15
*guys
13:21
<Gadi>
cnc: activity lights aren't necessarily bad
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<cor3>
hey all
13:52
winnipeg harvest ltsp has been in production for months now with no issues.
13:53
that's 2 conversions under my belt now
14:26
<sbalneav>
Congrats
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: pong
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, did you see Ogra's confirmed for BTS-2009 :)
15:08
<sbalneav>
Yes I did!
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<jammcq>
pretty cool, eh?
15:08
<sbalneav>
I capered about the room joyously
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I guess ragnar's still a nogo tho', huh?
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<jammcq>
i did the happy packet dance
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yeah, Ragnar can't make it this year. something about a 30-year college reunion
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<sbalneav>
Between the two of us dancing, I'm sure seismic detectors were kept busy today :)
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<jammcq>
yeah, usgeo is looking closely at their equipment wondering what happened
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<sbalneav>
:)
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, so you read about stuff i posted?
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<_dvorak>
hi, after going thru the ltsp wiki page and some googling, i am still not very clear about ltsp client which boots from local HDD or CD
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I have a wireless card, and want the HDD/CD to contain a linux kernel and initrd and boot up to the point where wireless setup is done, and then establish a ssh/NFS session
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can someone point to documentation?
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<Ahmuck>
johnny: prolly not. when did you post it?
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<johnny>
huh?
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<Ahmuck>
_dvorak: still there?
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<johnny>
i posted it the other day.. about the bookfair, the freeschool, etc
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<Ahmuck>
oh, yes, i read briefly
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<johnny>
how the heck can i import contacts from this old phone :(
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<Lns>
Anyone care to comment on http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31#head-799157cd8729eba8ee5bc1ff0290d7414f366ef2 ? Is this a win for ltsp setups?
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<johnny>
Lns, not sure
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i think it would be more of an obvious win for regular pcs
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i'm not sure how it would go on a multiuser env .. or where the network might interfere anyways
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<sbalneav>
_dvorak: No one's really done much in the way of experimenting with that, and it's not a "standard" part of ltsp
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Lns: Not really, no, unless you're running localapps on a low memory machine.
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<Lns>
sbalneav, gotcha. Still, cool though =)
19:04
<sbalneav>
Oh, sure.
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I mean, at the end of the day, all performace improvements in the kernel will offer some improvements.
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<Lns>
sbalneav, it be assumed that it will still improve memory usage on the server end?
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<sbalneav>
Possibly in edge cases. But if you're running an LTSP server and you're facing "memory pressure" (i.e. you're running out of ram and clobbering swap) improving that marginally with a kernel hack may be nice. However, hard drives are still a couple of orders of magnatude slower than ram. Throw some more ram in your server.
19:16
I.e. You're hitting swap. Now, your desktops only come to a grinding halt, instead of a screeching halt
19:16
\o/ Hooray!
19:17
Your users will still want you to throw a couple more gigs of ram in the server :)
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<Lns>
true =) When I read this I was trying to figure out specifically what 'memory pressure' meant..makes total sense
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<sbalneav>
The rule of thumb I operate under is: if my LTSP server swaps *at all* under the course of normal situations, it hasn't got enough ram.
19:18
I mean, if someone has a runaway firefox that's using up several gigs of core, fine, kill it and problem solved.
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But if people are doing *normal* things, and everything's behaving as it should, and you're hitting swap, you need more ram.
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<erieslabnx>
I have a minor issue that is about to be a major problem... I have been using LTSP with Ubuntu for about 3 months almost pain free... I have 10 TC's at our initial location and about 20 users of these clients. The building itself is at capacity....
19:43
We got another building and another 20 thin clients....
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how do I make sure the data is all sync'ed?
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I would like the two locations to more or less be mirrors of each other, is this possible?
19:45
in the end I wanna only have one interface to edit to make changes across all locations and all users
19:45
<sbalneav>
Not really an LTSP problem. You'll want shared home directories via NFS, or the like, and LDAP authentication.
19:46
<erieslabnx>
with LDAP can users login to either server (physical location irrelevant) simply through the web?
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<sbalneav>
Not through the web, no.
19:47
<erieslabnx>
The reason I ask is it sounds as though this is starting to get laggy
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<sbalneav>
What's the size of the pipe between the two locations?
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<erieslabnx>
the web.
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lol
19:48
75 miles between cities
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and a third location on it's way
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<sbalneav>
You'll need to set up a VPN of some kind between the sites.
19:49
<erieslabnx>
I am soooo in over my head now :(
19:49
<sbalneav>
But that's out of scope for this channel. It's not an LTSP problem, it's just a standard "how do I have shared home and auth between sites" problem.
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<erieslabnx>
thank you for the quick answer
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<sbalneav>
At a bare minimum, you'll need vpn
19:50
<erieslabnx>
either way it is cut it's starting point is easiest with a VPN setup
19:50
<sbalneav>
Unless you're going to have 10mbit fibre access at each location, shared home dirs is probably not going to be an option.
19:50
<erieslabnx>
LOL
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<sbalneav>
But ldap auth certainly is.
19:51
<erieslabnx>
well it was fun while it lasted :) lol
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ok what if I take the auth out of the equation....
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<sbalneav>
I run 5 remote sites
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<erieslabnx>
is there any simple way to mirror the data I have to a standalone server so as not to lose all the work put in?
19:53
kinda just starting the new location with the setup I have exactly?
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<sbalneav>
The farthest away is 850 k
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<erieslabnx>
WOW!
19:53
via vpn?
19:53
<sbalneav>
Why do you need shared home dirs?
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Do the people 75 miles away regularily log into the other site?
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<erieslabnx>
I don't.... half my clients are moving to the new location. I just don't wanna rebuild everything
19:54
<sbalneav>
Ok, but once they MOVE, then they're there permanently?
19:54
<erieslabnx>
correct, I am just lazy
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looking for shortcuts
19:55
<sbalneav>
Phht, no sympathy from me, then.
19:55
Build another server for the remote site.
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move over the home dirs to the new server
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install at remote location
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<erieslabnx>
I wanna learn something... I just don't want to sit at another server putting in the same 15 hours I put in already
19:56
<sbalneav>
use nightly rotating rsync's to back up the remote location.
19:56
<erieslabnx>
so there is no users.* file to copy and paste?
19:56
THERE WE GO!
19:56
Now I have some keywords to search!
19:56
Thank you :)
19:56
<sbalneav>
yeah, but the rsync's just for backup
19:56
their live home dir's still on their local server.
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<erieslabnx>
that is all i need... no critical LIVE data needed
19:57
<sbalneav>
Well, that's not what you asked for originally.
19:57
but whatever.
19:57
<erieslabnx>
My biggest problem in this channel is the fact that I never know WHAT I am asking for till I see it :)
19:58
you have been very helpful again sbalneav
19:58
and Sayabon is still the best ;)
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<sbalneav>
You've tried the new builds?
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<erieslabnx>
constantly
20:00
I tried one of the wannabe competitors, terrible tool
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it was a new one released a few weeks ago, it sucked
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<sbalneav>
I haven't had a look at it yet, but I'm sure it's not that bad.
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<erieslabnx>
I am proud of myself, I even learned how to connect to my server from my house and edit user accounts :)
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Well when I first tried Sayabon it was jacking my system, then tried a nightly build and it fixed it all.... The other one, was locking my whole machine everytime I tried to edit any little thing.
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I never got to the point to even TRY it live, not stable enough
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<erieslabnx>
this was on a clean install of two different Ubuntu builds!
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You do very good work and shouldn't be so modest
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one problem with it though if you have ears....?
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<sbalneav>
Sure
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<erieslabnx>
you do not have a donate financially option on the official page! I am a business user and would love to help you out, if nothing else for some of the time you have put into it.
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if not on the website at least a paypal email address would be cool
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<sbalneav>
Well, I think most of the LTSP developers don't do it for money, I know I don't.
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Just scratching my itches.
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<erieslabnx>
but money will keep quality motivations high ;)
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<erieslabnx>
we all want the quality to continue
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<sbalneav>
No, it won't. That's the paradox.
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<erieslabnx>
haha
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<sbalneav>
I do this because I *want* to.
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If I got *paid* to, it'd just be a job.
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<erieslabnx>
I want you to as well
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not paid.... reimbursed for the efforts
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<sbalneav>
Besides, I already have a job that pays me fine.
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I speak only for myself. But thanks for the thought.
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<erieslabnx>
:)
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have a great night and again thank you for the keywords and ideas
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<Lns>
erieslabnx, if you wanna help sbalneav out then send him a pizza/pints ;)
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<erieslabnx>
:)
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<Lns>
seriously though, in the (limited) experience I have with open source projects, money almost actually just gets in the way unless you're supporting a fulltime coder
20:23
I find it nice to give 'presents', or maybe send a piece of hardware their way if they're in need =) always nice to get packages in the mail, hehe
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<sbalneav>
Beer, unfortunately, doesn't mail well.
20:24
Gets the envelopes wet.
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<Lns>
=p
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<johnny>
Lns, paying for a specific feature isn't a terrible idea imo
20:30
especially if it is something only you need
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and you would like it done sooner
20:30
<Lns>
johnny, sure, but you'd really have to have the right kind of coder i'd think
20:30
<johnny>
i'm the right kind..
20:30
hmm /me is broke
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also the /me command is broken
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which is what i meant
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<Lns>
=p
20:31
johnny, do you do any misc. gnome/gtk coding?
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i have a laundry list of stuff i'd love to see fixed..
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<johnny>
depends
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most of the time .. i'd be just providing the grease to get something fixed rather than fix it myself.. but that depends on the bug
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or feature
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i prefer web stuff, but i do have gnome commit access
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<Lns>
johnny, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/108951 for example...
20:38
<johnny>
people use the drawer for real?
20:38
i tried using it once.. but i didn't think it added much to the experience
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<Lns>
helps w/panel real estate
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i've been using it for ages
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multiple drawers even..one for remote ssh connections, one for frequently used apps
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<johnny>
i guess i haven't had any panel real esate problems
20:41
ah.. remote ssh connections i just use hot ssh
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i only have 5 frequently used apps
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<Lns>
johnny, you would if you had 800x480 on your netbook ;)
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<johnny>
evo, gajim, firefox, rhtymbox, hotssh
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truly
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<Lns>
johnny, so you up for it? =) i hear you're a programmer for hire...
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<sbalneav>
What's the bug for the drawer?
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<Lns>
sbalneav, very slow after first activation of a gnome session
20:44
<sbalneav>
I've got one here, followed the example, and the drawer opens up for me
20:44
<Lns>
has been since...jeez, edgy?
20:44
sbalneav, it opens, just very slow (0.5-1.5 sec delay) after first opening and launchers inside
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<johnny>
it doesn't seem that big of a deal for me
20:45
i put one icon in there
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<Lns>
johnny, ok well i guess i won't pay for you to fix it then ;)
20:45
<johnny>
and it seems like it rolls slow over the one icon
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and then goes fast
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<Lns>
johnny, correct
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<johnny>
definitely not 1 whole sec tho
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Lns, try fedora 12/ubunt karmic livecd
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<Lns>
johnny, that's why i said 0.5-1sec... it's VERY annoying when you use the drawer frequently.
20:46
johnny, i tried F11 i think, same deal
20:46
<johnny>
sure.. but panels themselves are slow
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<Lns>
i'm sure it's an upstream issue
20:46
<johnny>
f12 .. not f11
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read what i said :)
20:46
that's gnome 2.28
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<Lns>
blah..panels are fine
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<sbalneav>
Oh, I see, that, 1/2 second delay?
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<Lns>
yea
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annoying as *&$@
20:47
<johnny>
Lns, it's hard for me to notice that.. as i'm running fedora 12 alpha with debug kernel
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<sbalneav>
Does it do it for all apps, or just text file?
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<johnny>
so.. things are worse thatn they should be
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when the timer applet finishes and blinks.. cpu spikes to 50%
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so..me noticing something on gnome 2.28 might be not true
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<Lns>
sbalneav, it happens to me even with no launchers after first click
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(running gnome 2.26.1 here)
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panels v2.26.0
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i gotta run, wife's bday dinner =) ttyl guys
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<moldy>
cu Lns :)
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<Lns>
by moldy haha
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