IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 August 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:57
<jimjimovich2>
Anyone have some tips on making usb scanners work? What worked in 10.04 doesn't seem to be working in 12.04. Did something change?
06:02
<muppis>
How managed it in 10.04?
06:02
Never really made in LTSP enviroment, but usually used saned for it.
06:03
<jimjimovich2>
for pure thin clients, it used sane over the network, or you could just launch simple-scan as a local app
06:04
alkisg: anything I should know about using Epoptes in an ltsp-pnp environment? Do I need to disable any services on the clients or anything like that?
06:04
<alkisg>
jimjimovich2: no, it just works
06:04
<jimjimovich2>
just sudo apt-get install epoptes epoptes-client
06:04
"no, it just works" ... that's what I like to hear :)
06:07
<alkisg>
No need for epoptes-client, it gets pulled automatically
06:09
<jimjimovich2>
I get "Connection with epoptes failed: An error occurred while connecting: 13: Permission denied." when trying to launch epoptes
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06:20
<jimjimovich2>
oh, got that figured out ... :)
06:20
now it's not detecting any of the clients
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06:28
<alkisg1>
jimjimovich2: did you run `ltsp-update-image -c /` after installing epoptes?
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06:28
<jimjimovich2>
alkisg1: yeah
06:29
<alkisg>
And you rebooted the clients, I assume, right?
06:29
<jimjimovich2>
yeah, it turns out i did have to install epoptes-client ... now everything works
06:30
<alkisg>
Hmm why, do you have "recommends: off" configured in apt?
06:30
<jimjimovich2>
I must say, this is pretty great! :)
06:30
<alkisg>
If so, that can cause other problems...
06:30
<jimjimovich2>
alkisg: I didn't configure apt, it's all just out of the box
06:30
do I need to turn something on?
06:30
<alkisg>
$ apt-cache show epoptes | grep ^Recommends
06:30
Recommends: epoptes-client, xterm
06:31
This means that when one does `apt-get install epoptes`, then epoptes-client is automatically installed
06:31
And that's the default Ubuntu and Debian settings
06:31
<jimjimovich2>
hmmm
06:31
<alkisg>
So if it didn't work for you, you probably have a misconfiguration somewhere
06:31
<jimjimovich2>
I'll keep an eye on that when we do the "for real" install
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07:09
<jimjimovich2>
Is there a good way to show the user when a flash drive is in use and when it can be safely removed?
07:14
<alkisg>
Thins or fats?
07:16
<jimjimovich2>
alkisg: on thin clients
07:17
<alkisg>
ltspfsd does a `sync` every two seconds, so you just need to tell them to wait 2 seconds after writing something and before pulling the stick
07:17
<jimjimovich2>
we had hacked together something from a blog post for 10.04
07:17
yeah, the problem is if they copy big files, sometimes they end up with a 0 byte file instead
07:18
<alkisg>
Dunno about the details there, we're not using localdevs
07:19
<jimjimovich2>
ok
07:19
alkisg: you using scanners? :)
07:19
<alkisg>
They work automatically on fat clients...
07:21
<jimjimovich2>
they used to work (almost) automatically on localapps too ...
07:21
I'll keep digging
07:21
<alkisg>
Sorry we're not using localapps either :D
07:21
<jimjimovich2>
what are you using?
07:21
<alkisg>
Either plain thins or plain fats, we're trying to keep it simple for teachers as schools don't have local sysadmins
07:22
So we basically install ltsp-pnp and usually don't touch lts.conf at all
07:23
<jimjimovich2>
wow, we hardly have a machine that doesn't require some sort of lts.conf changes
07:26
printers are apparently different in 12.04 too
07:26
<alkisg>
Shouldn't be, why?
07:27
You can still use the PRINTER_DEVICE_xx lts.conf directives
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07:27
<jimjimovich2>
Using the lts.conf entries from 10.04, the clients fail to boot
07:27
<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/996533
07:27
Known, fix committed but not released
07:28
You need to add 1 char to 1 file
07:28
<jimjimovich2>
alkisg: what would we do without you?
07:29
<alkisg>
Hehe, I only joined LTSP a few years ago, while it's a 12 year project :)
07:29
<jimjimovich2>
yeah, but you're the one helping everyone in IRC :)
07:30
<alkisg>
True, yeah I'm online to support teachers here and given the chance, I help wherever I can
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07:58
<jimjimovich2>
apparently users are no longer automatically added to the "scanner" group ... seems like adding them fixed the problem
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09:07
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Warren. :)
09:14
<knipwim>
Fedora power!
09:14
<Hyperbyte>
Yay!
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09:22
<markit>
hi alkisg, about user's migration from one system to another, maybe this can help: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-move-migrate-user-accounts-old-to-new-server/
09:24
<alkisg>
markit: we've developed a libuser.py library, no need to run shell commands, one can use the sch-scripts GUI to migrate his users
09:24
<warren>
Hyperbyte: I'm here primarily to train another developer to takeover for me. I'm a bit busy in law and management courses for the next year.
09:24
<alkisg>
markit: ...and even select the ones he wants to import, resolve conflicts etc
09:25
<knipwim>
warren: cool, who's gonna take over?
09:27
<markit>
alkisg: ah, is already done? I understood you were developing it and would be ready at the end of this month (I need it ;P)
09:27
<alkisg>
markit: sure, it took many months to develop it, now we're on the final stages
09:27
<markit>
alkisg: if you think that the method listed in that article is ok, I could use it asap, since I've only 3 servers to migrate, not a big deal
09:27
<Hyperbyte>
warren, take over Fedora LTSP development?
09:28
<alkisg>
markit: No idea, I have to file some application now for a sysadmin job for this year, so can't really read the page...
09:28
<markit>
alkisg: ups, sorry, ok, don't worry :)
09:28
"a sysadmin job"... you change job? no more for greek schools?
09:29
<alkisg>
markit: no it's just a temporary job role change, with the same employee (the ministry)
09:30
<markit>
perfect, thanks and good luck :)
09:30
<alkisg>
I.e. I thought it'd be better to only have to give tech support to schools for the next 3 years, instead of doing both support + teaching
09:30
<markit>
really!
09:32
<mealstrom>
good morning :-X
09:32
<alkisg>
Good morning
09:33
<mealstrom>
thin client software upgrade went smooth :D
09:36
its creepy to reboot production server after upgrade.
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09:55
<qwebirc11923>
With LTSP set up, could I have all the user accounts on on PC, and access them on any other PC that has it set up?
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10:15
<jimjimovich2>
Compiz works great on all our terminals as fatclients, but doesn't work when booted as a thin client. is that normal?
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10:32
<Hyperbyte>
jimjimovich2, I -think- so... not entirely sure, but Compiz requires compositing hardware and I don't think remote X supports compositing
10:32
(remote X is what powers thin clients)
10:32
<jimjimovich2>
It's so weird, because it worked perfectly, out of the box, in 10.04
10:33
<Hyperbyte>
jimjimovich2, you're using 12.04 now?
10:33
<jimjimovich2>
our production uses 10.04, we're testing a 12.04 system that we want to move into production
10:34
<Hyperbyte>
http://lwn.net/Articles/465832/
10:35
That might shed some light on what I just said
10:35
As for 10.04 vs 12.04 - there's loads of differences between those. :) It's not weird that something works different on a whole new system. ;-)
10:35
But I can't answer specifics, don't know enough about it.
10:36
<jimjimovich2>
yeah, it just feels like a big step back in terms and look and feel of the OS. Lots of little broken things without compiz.
10:37
<Hyperbyte>
Never used Compiz really.
10:37
It didn't work for my thin clients on 11.04 either, and I only started with 11.01.
10:37
*11.04
10:38
Say, jimjimovich2, have you already added your LTSP setup to the LTSP world map? :-) http://www.ltsp.org/stories/
10:38
<jimjimovich2>
for example, the system notifications are so ugly and nearly unusable
10:38
probably not. been using it since 6.06 :)
10:39
<Hyperbyte>
:)
10:39
Well, the world map is brand new, part of our new site released only a week ago or so. :)
10:39
<jimjimovich2>
things are WAY different nowadays :)
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10:40
<Hyperbyte>
Heheh
10:40
<jimjimovich2>
back then, it took me two weeks just to get floppies (and flash drives) working on thin clients
10:41
<Hyperbyte>
:)
10:42
<jimjimovich2>
you know, actually, compositing is working
10:42
it's unity that crashes
10:43
with Gnome and Ubuntu moving towards composited desktops (removing Unity 2D, etc), this is going to be a huge problem going forward
10:44
well, I got the fix needed to make unity 3d work in fat clients, perhaps we'll have to go fat
10:50
<Hyperbyte>
Do share. :)
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11:00
<markit>
jimjimovich2: I use kubuntu.. kde... ;P
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11:40
<qwebirc13637>
hello every one
11:40
i need help
11:40
that can e possible
11:51
<andygraybeal_>
qwebirc13637, what is the problem?
11:51
no one can help unless we know the problem.
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12:02
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy. :)
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12:23
<qwebirc13637>
i need the LTSP client boot on Twm and starting a java Application
12:24
do there any document
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12:25
<qwebirc13637>
please
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12:31
<qwebirc13637>
,
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12:33
<Hyperbyte>
qwebirc13637, I think you can configure twm as default with LDM_XSESSION in your lts.conf
12:33
As for starting an application on twm start, I have no idea. If twm honors /etc/xdg/autostart/ you could place a .desktop file there
12:34
<qwebirc13637>
and what about the JAVA application to start on the startup client
12:34
actually we arre planning to use Ltsp for an airport totem
12:35
<Hyperbyte>
Nice. :)
12:37
<qwebirc13637>
for some client we are using ubunut with (Xorg Twm Paremetre: #Open Xserver Automaticly if [ $(tty) == "/dev/tty1" ]; then xinit /usr/X11R6/bin/twm-kiosk -- :0 fi )
12:39
do this can be happen on LTSP client
12:42
<Hyperbyte>
qwebirc13637, you could probably set LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD to auto-login to a certain user
12:42
And then either use LDM_XSESSION to control the session being started and then work from there
12:42
Or hack .xinitrc, but I don't think LTSP listens to .xinitrc
12:43
No, wait - LTSP does listen to .xinitrc.
12:43
Either way, read this page:
12:43
#lts.conf
12:43
!lts.conf
12:43
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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12:45
<qwebirc13637>
mmm nice so , i will start my test and i will let you know about result :) if we 1 LTSP will be deployed for many airport
12:46
<Hyperbyte>
Which country?
12:47
<qwebirc13637>
Actually for turkey right now
12:47
<Hyperbyte>
Ah.
12:47
Well hey listen - LTSP can definitely do what you want it do
12:47
<qwebirc13637>
if we succed we will move the solution to Gorgia and Tunisia
12:47
<Hyperbyte>
There's some people here who have much more knowledge about it than me... so if you don't get it working, or have further questions, just come back here and ask. :)
12:48
<qwebirc13637>
sure i will do it :)
12:48
actually i like much the solution
12:49
and for my departement we are sufring to run the OS from Disk and there are many hardware platform
12:49
actually i used a deployment image server for the client (fog) but this not a colplet solution
12:50
if there any update we need to reimage all the clients
12:50
:) so funny
12:52
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP is easy that way. I've implemented it at both companies I work for.
12:53
Managing all software centrally, being able to push new settings & updates to all workstations without having to touch them, is very, very comfortable. :)
12:54
<qwebirc13637>
yes Ltsp has a plus
12:54
but what about fat clients
12:55
do you advice to run the JAVA application locally or from server
12:56
note the application has got a CVLJ framewok to play Video
12:56
what do you advice
13:13
<mealstrom>
what is better way of using swap on thin clients via use_local (flash drive) or nbdserver swap ?
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13:29
<cyberorg>
qwebirc13637, i'll be happy to come to turkey and do it for you, if you are hiring consultant ;)
13:29* cyberorg would like go olu deniz
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13:52
<qwebirc13637>
:) you are wlkome nay time ,
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<Hyperbyte>
qwebirc13637, if your clients can handle it, go fat
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<knipwim>
nice, overlay filesystem: request for inclusion in the main kernel tree
16:08
http://lwn.net/Articles/511408/
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<dtrask>
wondering if someone can help me
17:53
I have a program that needs to run in WINE...and eventually as a localapp
17:54
alksig gave me some directions which appear to be working to a point...except I have a 64-bit WINE installation on the server and 32-bit in the chroot...hence it cannot run....looking for ideas....perhaps like how can I force the 32-bit version on the server?
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anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
17:55
<||cw>
possibly
17:55
I avoid wine, it so often doesn't work quite well enough
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<dtrask>
no choice here...it's for testing NWEA here at our school
17:56
it works, although I'd like it to work as a localapp
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<qwebirc20358>
hi! where i can find help?
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<qwebirc52908>
hi
22:54
where i can find help please?
22:55
<vagrantc>
!question
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<ltsp>
vagrantc: question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
22:55
<qwebirc52908>
well
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<vagrantc>
pfft,
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<qwebirc30803>
I need is to turn my computers on dumb terminals, that is, that the light them not show me anything but go directly to a session with the server where all you see is where the user must type the password and the password, like a dumb terminal, these must be connected to either a Windows server 2003 or 2008.
22:56
can you help me?
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<vagrantc>
dunno, although you'll need a more stable irc connection to get help
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<qwebirc9471>
I need to turn my pc on dumb terminals that connect to a Server 2003 or higher, where at power display logon inmediatame
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I need to turn my pc on dumb terminals that connect to a Server 2003 or higher, where at power display logon inmediatame
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<vagrantc>
qwebirc9471: are you having troubles with your irc client?
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<qwebirc9471>
no
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i don't have clients
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<vagrantc>
you're logged in with 5 different nicks in the past 15 minutes...
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<qwebirc9471>
I need to implement the system from 0
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<vagrantc>
by the time someone tries to help you, you've already logged out...
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pfft.
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<qwebirc9471>
what?
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<qwebirc9471>
Let me explain, I want to implement this system from 0, my boss asked me to research how to do, and I have no idea really
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<vagrantc>
what kind of connection do you need?
23:03
RDP, VNC, ssh, telnet? LTSP can be configured to do any of those.
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and surely more than that, with some work.
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<qwebirc9471>
in my company's computers are xp, are very slow, so we want to implement those machines as dumb terminals to connect to the server
23:05
no matter what, just turn them into dumb terminals, is that they have to put a ubuntu or something
23:05
<vagrantc>
what will they log in to?
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<qwebirc9471>
to a Windows Server 2003 or 2008
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<vagrantc>
you might be able to use RDP for that.
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remote desktop protocol
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LTSP supports that using rdesktop or freerdp
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<qwebirc9471>
that makes computers just lit display as dumb terminal?
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<vagrantc>
depends on what you mean by dumb terminal
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if you just want a console-only terminal, then ssh or telnet might work for you
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<qwebirc9471>
be so kind as to explain what LTSP and RDP??? Please
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<vagrantc>
i don't really know the windows side well at all
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project
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<qwebirc9471>
dejame explicarte que es para mi una terminal tonta, es decir que no me cargue ningun sistema de xp o algo así, osea que al encender el equipo se conecte de una vez al servidor
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let me explain it to me a dumb terminal, ie not charge me any xp system or something, I mean that when you turn on the computer to connect to the server once
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<vagrantc>
lo siento, no puedo explicar
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<qwebirc9471>
is to use server programs like a remote terminal
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<qwebirc9471>
Have an idea of ​​what you want to do?
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<vagrantc>
qwebirc9471: many of your words are too vague.
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and i don't know windows well enough to help you.
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<qwebirc9471>
need not be in the terminal windows, ubuntu or can be anyone but me to connect to a Windows server
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