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Channel log from 16 June 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:03 | <Appiah_> I'd like to hear from people who uses LDAP and NFS as homedir for their LTSP setups, How have you solved the creation of homedirs?
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| 07:16 | <cyberorg> Appiah_, on suse $HOME is created when user is created
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| 07:20 | <Appiah_> figures
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| 07:20 | <stgraber> just use pam_mkhomedir
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| 07:20 | <Appiah_> I'm reading this guide that uses webmin , which creates the homedirs
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| 07:21 | stgraber: well I cant get that to work on the nfs mounted home
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| 07:21 | which does not exist..
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| 07:21 | <stgraber> ?? you mount a different NFS share for each user ?
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| 07:21 | <Appiah_> using pam_mount
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| 07:22 | <stgraber> why are you doing that ? your users are on different servers ?
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| 07:22 | <Appiah_> maybe I should just mount the whole /home on
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| 07:22 | well 2 or 3 different servers
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| 07:22 | 1 single NFS server
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| 07:22 | <stgraber> yeah, a standard NFS setup is to mount /home over NFS, then use it as normal
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| 07:22 | then pam_mkhomedir and everything else will work just fine
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| 07:22 | and you'll avoid having tens of the NFS connection opened
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| 07:23 | <Appiah_> hmm
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| 07:23 | I'll try that
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| 07:26 | I will need pam_mount for user specfic mounts later on but ... $HOME does not need to be there :D
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| 07:26 | (why didnt I realise that sooner)
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| 07:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> does anyone know if F10 is capable of using a virtual screen from the lts.conf yet?
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| 08:21 | <tarzeau> HELP!
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| 08:21 | daduke: ah you can help me!
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| 08:22 | <_UsUrPeR_> tarzeau: what's up?
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| 08:28 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: i have a 64bit linux ltsp with debian lenny
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| 08:28 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok
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| 08:28 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: the client boots, but doesn't start ldm, i can login as root and start ldm, but then i can't login (keyboard doesn't work)
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> is the keyboard you're using USB or PS/2
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| 08:29 | ?
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| 08:29 | <tarzeau> ps/2
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| 08:29 | and usb mouse
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| 08:29 | mouse works
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> have you tried a usb k/b?
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| 08:29 | <tarzeau> keyboard works too, in cosnole
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh I see
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| 08:29 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: no, but why should i?
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| 08:29 | the problem is that ldm is not started
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| 08:29 | <_UsUrPeR_> just covering my bases
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| 08:29 | <tarzeau> ok i insert an usb keybaord and retry
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| 08:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> it would help a lot if you could get to /var/log/Xorg.?.log to see what the errors are
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| 08:30 | morning etyack1
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| 08:31 | <etyack1> _UsUrPeR_: morning!
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| 08:31 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: on the client?
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| 08:31 | <_UsUrPeR_> tarzeau: correct. on the client
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| 08:31 | that should give us a hint as to why ldm is not starting
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| 08:31 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: it only exists when i run ldm manually
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| 08:32 | _UsUrPeR_: now i started ldm with the usb keybaord, i don't even get the login anymore, just the mouse and a black background
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| 08:32 | darkness. i can see darkness.
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| 08:32 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 08:32 | hmm
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| 08:33 | so... it's booting, but not actually starting ldm. You don't see an attempt to start ldm?
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| 08:33 | <tarzeau> no
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| 08:33 | <_UsUrPeR_> and you have to log on and start it manually...
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| 08:34 | <tarzeau> yes i did taht as root
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| 08:34 | or better as user?
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| 08:34 | <_UsUrPeR_> I guess the simplest way to maybe fix this is add a command in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local
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| 08:35 | <_UsUrPeR_> but this is a weird problem to have anyway. Did you use a package to install ltsp?
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| 08:36 | <tarzeau> yes debian lenny packages
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| 08:36 | why is ltsp not just starting ldm like every sane person, either via /etc/rc.d/ or /etc/inittab ?
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| 08:37 | i mean it's also not normal that ltsps return unknown when asked runlevel, or nothing w/ who -r
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| 08:38 | <_UsUrPeR_> tarzeau: your guess is as good as mine. I have never used straight Debian for serving LTSP
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| 08:38 | <matttttt> where does ldm get the list of available window managers that it provides the user to select from via the "sessions" menu on the initial login screen? I'd like to get rid of the other choices and force a default wm
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| 08:38 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: it works on our debian etch 32bit machine
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| 08:39 | <_UsUrPeR_> have you considered trying 64-bit etch instead of lenny?
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| 08:40 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: no
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| 08:40 | _UsUrPeR_: we don't want etch anymore, we tried 32bit lenny though and it seemed fine
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| 08:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> what kind of clients are you using?
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| 08:40 | <tarzeau> alix
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| 08:41 | <_UsUrPeR_> I assume when you built your client image, you used --arch i386, right?
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| 08:41 | <tarzeau> i built a client image?
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| 08:41 | what's that?
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| 08:42 | the client's can't do 64bit that's right
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| 08:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 08:42 | <tarzeau> i think i just copied the old i386 directory (which was lenny also on the etch ltsp server) to the new 64bit lenny ltsp server
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| 08:42 | how can i build a new client image?
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| 08:42 | <_UsUrPeR_> hmm
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| 08:42 | ok
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| 08:42 | <tarzeau> maybe this client image sucks, and i should build it with the lenny client image build tool
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| 08:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> definately possible
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| 08:43 | ok, in /opt/ltsp
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| 08:43 | <tarzeau> yes veryily
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| 08:43 | <_UsUrPeR_> mv the i386 dir in there to something else
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| 08:43 | mv the images dir in there to something else
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| 08:43 | and built a new client image
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| 08:43 | <tarzeau> wait wait
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| 08:43 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-06-11 17:50 i386.something.else -> i386.lenny/
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| 08:43 | and there is no images directory
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| 08:44 | how cani built a new client image?
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| 08:44 | ltsp-build-client ?
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| 08:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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| 08:44 | ensure you use the arch i386 or it may build a 64-bit kernel
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| 08:44 | and that would be useless for you
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| 08:44 | it should take about 10 - 45 minutes to build depending on your connection/processor speed
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| 08:45 | <tarzeau> ok it's building one
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| 08:45 | <_UsUrPeR_> cool
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| 08:45 | <tarzeau> gbit internet.. let's see
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| 08:46 | restaring with our own mirror
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| 08:46 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> good morning sbalneav
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| 08:47 | err...
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| 08:47 | ~s
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| 08:47 | !s
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| 08:47 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:49 | <_UsUrPeR_> brb
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| 08:53 | <etyack1> morning Scotty!
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| 08:54 | <matttttt> where does ldm get the list of available window managers that it provides the user to select from via the "sessions" menu on the initial login screen? I'd like to get rid of the other choices and force a default wm
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| 08:55 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: ok it finished, retrying
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> matttttt: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
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| 08:56 | Search for LDM_SESSION.
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| 08:56 | <cyberorg> matttttt, /usr/share/xsessions
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| 08:56 | and that too ^^ :)
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> You can specify whatever session manager you'd like.
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| 09:01 | <_UsUrPeR_> tarzeau: any luck?
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| 09:02 | <daduke> _UsUrPeR_: he'll be back in a minute
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| 09:02 | <_UsUrPeR_> daduke: k
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| 09:02 | daduke: you guys co-workers?
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| 09:03 | <daduke> _UsUrPeR_: yup
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| 09:03 | <_UsUrPeR_> ahh :)
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| 09:03 | daduke: where are you guys working?
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| 09:03 | <daduke> _UsUrPeR_: IT Services Group of the Physics Dept. of ETH Zurich
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| 09:03 | <treyh222> microsoft ? lol
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| 09:03 | daduke, nice
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| 09:04 | _UsUrPeR_, morning
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| 09:04 | <daduke> http://wiki.phys.ethz.ch/readme/contact if anyone should be interested
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| 09:04 | <matttttt> cyber/sbal: i moved all of the unwanted sessions out of /usr/share/xsessions, but 'failsafe xterm' is still an option, this is bad. i don't want our users to be able to select that
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| 09:05 | i don't see any mention of "LDM_SESSIONS" in that doc
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| 09:05 | <_UsUrPeR_> morning treyh222
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| 09:12 | <_UsUrPeR_> warren: ping
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| 09:18 | <tarzeau> _UsUrPeR_: well yes, i need to configure the ltsp client image to work...
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| 09:18 | _UsUrPeR_: i'll do that and then see if it works better
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| 09:18 | <_UsUrPeR_> tarzeau: ok. Good luck. I hopt that helped
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| 09:18 | s/hopt/hope
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| 10:24 | <sebjames> Hi Folks. I have ltsp on Debian. The ltsp rootfs is Etch. I put a line in inittab to make every terminal throw up a shell on the virtual consoles, but am getting strange behaviour.
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| 10:25 | The line in inittab is: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -l
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| 10:25 | <sebjames> The strange behaviour is that the console is not echoing back what I type. Any ideas out there as to what might be up?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> dont do that :)
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| 10:26 | you adjust such a thing through lts.conf instead of hacking around in the chroot
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| 10:26 | <sebjames> Ok.
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| 10:27 | Now, lts.conf moved between ltsp 4 and ltsp 5.
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| 10:27 | Where'd it go...
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| 10:27 | <ogra> in recent ltsp its served from the tftp dir
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| 10:27 | i'm not sure the ancient etch had that
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| 10:28 | <sebjames> It is.
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| 10:28 | <ogra> so you are using backports i guess
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| 10:28 | <sebjames> SCREEN_01 = shell etc?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> just add SCREEN_07=shell to the default section ... that will omit ldm from starting and get a a shell on tty7
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| 10:29 | for the other ttys as well
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| 10:29 | <sebjames> Does it run a shell or getty?
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| 10:30 | <ogra> it runs bash
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| 10:30 | <sebjames> ok
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| 10:30 | <sebjames> I seem to have already tried that the last time I tried to solve this. The lts.conf in my tftp directory must not be getting used for some reason.
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| 10:30 | <ogra> right, its etch ...
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| 10:30 | <sebjames> OK
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| 10:30 | <ogra> put it into the chroot in /etc
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| 10:31 | <sebjames> Will do.
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| 10:31 | Here goes.
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| 10:31 | <ogra> is your server etch as well ?
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| 10:31 | <sebjames> Server is now Lenny actually
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| 10:31 | But was set up with LTSP before I upgraded from Etch to Lenny
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| 10:31 | <ogra> (etch is really old and lacking lots of features, you should use the up to date ltsp client for a server)
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| 10:32 | well, move away the old chroot and run ltsp-build-client then :)
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| 10:32 | <sebjames> It's actually not critical for what I'm using this for.
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| 10:32 | <ogra> ah well, up to you
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| 10:33 | <alkisg> !o
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| 10:33 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
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| 10:33 | <sebjames> I may yet re-build the chroot.
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| 10:33 | Anyway - the lts.conf is being honoured now. Thanks for the help.
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