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Channel log from 16 June 2009   (all times are UTC)

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07:03
<Appiah_>
I'd like to hear from people who uses LDAP and NFS as homedir for their LTSP setups, How have you solved the creation of homedirs?
07:16
<cyberorg>
Appiah_, on suse $HOME is created when user is created
07:20
<Appiah_>
figures
07:20
<stgraber>
just use pam_mkhomedir
07:20
<Appiah_>
I'm reading this guide that uses webmin , which creates the homedirs
07:21
stgraber: well I cant get that to work on the nfs mounted home
07:21
which does not exist..
07:21
<stgraber>
?? you mount a different NFS share for each user ?
07:21
<Appiah_>
using pam_mount
07:22
<stgraber>
why are you doing that ? your users are on different servers ?
07:22
<Appiah_>
maybe I should just mount the whole /home on
07:22
well 2 or 3 different servers
07:22
1 single NFS server
07:22
<stgraber>
yeah, a standard NFS setup is to mount /home over NFS, then use it as normal
07:22
then pam_mkhomedir and everything else will work just fine
07:22
and you'll avoid having tens of the NFS connection opened
07:23
<Appiah_>
hmm
07:23
I'll try that
07:26
I will need pam_mount for user specfic mounts later on but ... $HOME does not need to be there :D
07:26
(why didnt I realise that sooner)
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07:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
does anyone know if F10 is capable of using a virtual screen from the lts.conf yet?
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08:21
<tarzeau>
HELP!
08:21
daduke: ah you can help me!
08:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
tarzeau: what's up?
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08:28
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: i have a 64bit linux ltsp with debian lenny
08:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
08:28
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: the client boots, but doesn't start ldm, i can login as root and start ldm, but then i can't login (keyboard doesn't work)
08:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
is the keyboard you're using USB or PS/2
08:29
?
08:29
<tarzeau>
ps/2
08:29
and usb mouse
08:29
mouse works
08:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
have you tried a usb k/b?
08:29
<tarzeau>
keyboard works too, in cosnole
08:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh I see
08:29
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: no, but why should i?
08:29
the problem is that ldm is not started
08:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
just covering my bases
08:29
<tarzeau>
ok i insert an usb keybaord and retry
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08:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
it would help a lot if you could get to /var/log/Xorg.?.log to see what the errors are
08:30
morning etyack1
08:31
<etyack1>
_UsUrPeR_: morning!
08:31
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: on the client?
08:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
tarzeau: correct. on the client
08:31
that should give us a hint as to why ldm is not starting
08:31
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: it only exists when i run ldm manually
08:32
_UsUrPeR_: now i started ldm with the usb keybaord, i don't even get the login anymore, just the mouse and a black background
08:32
darkness. i can see darkness.
08:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
:)
08:32
hmm
08:33
so... it's booting, but not actually starting ldm. You don't see an attempt to start ldm?
08:33
<tarzeau>
no
08:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
and you have to log on and start it manually...
08:34
<tarzeau>
yes i did taht as root
08:34
or better as user?
08:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
I guess the simplest way to maybe fix this is add a command in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local
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08:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
but this is a weird problem to have anyway. Did you use a package to install ltsp?
08:36
<tarzeau>
yes debian lenny packages
08:36
why is ltsp not just starting ldm like every sane person, either via /etc/rc.d/ or /etc/inittab ?
08:37
i mean it's also not normal that ltsps return unknown when asked runlevel, or nothing w/ who -r
08:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
tarzeau: your guess is as good as mine. I have never used straight Debian for serving LTSP
08:38
<matttttt>
where does ldm get the list of available window managers that it provides the user to select from via the "sessions" menu on the initial login screen? I'd like to get rid of the other choices and force a default wm
08:38
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: it works on our debian etch 32bit machine
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08:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
have you considered trying 64-bit etch instead of lenny?
08:40
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: no
08:40
_UsUrPeR_: we don't want etch anymore, we tried 32bit lenny though and it seemed fine
08:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
what kind of clients are you using?
08:40
<tarzeau>
alix
08:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
I assume when you built your client image, you used --arch i386, right?
08:41
<tarzeau>
i built a client image?
08:41
what's that?
08:42
the client's can't do 64bit that's right
08:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
08:42
<tarzeau>
i think i just copied the old i386 directory (which was lenny also on the etch ltsp server) to the new 64bit lenny ltsp server
08:42
how can i build a new client image?
08:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
08:42
ok
08:42
<tarzeau>
maybe this client image sucks, and i should build it with the lenny client image build tool
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
definately possible
08:43
ok, in /opt/ltsp
08:43
<tarzeau>
yes veryily
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
mv the i386 dir in there to something else
08:43
mv the images dir in there to something else
08:43
and built a new client image
08:43
<tarzeau>
wait wait
08:43
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-06-11 17:50 i386.something.else -> i386.lenny/
08:43
and there is no images directory
08:44
how cani built a new client image?
08:44
ltsp-build-client ?
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
ltsp-build-client --arch i386
08:44
ensure you use the arch i386 or it may build a 64-bit kernel
08:44
and that would be useless for you
08:44
it should take about 10 - 45 minutes to build depending on your connection/processor speed
08:45
<tarzeau>
ok it's building one
08:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
cool
08:45
<tarzeau>
gbit internet.. let's see
08:46
restaring with our own mirror
08:46
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
good morning sbalneav
08:47
err...
08:47
~s
08:47
!s
08:47
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
brb
08:53
<etyack1>
morning Scotty!
08:54
<matttttt>
where does ldm get the list of available window managers that it provides the user to select from via the "sessions" menu on the initial login screen? I'd like to get rid of the other choices and force a default wm
08:55
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: ok it finished, retrying
08:56
<sbalneav>
matttttt: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
08:56
Search for LDM_SESSION.
08:56
<cyberorg>
matttttt, /usr/share/xsessions
08:56
and that too ^^ :)
08:56
<sbalneav>
You can specify whatever session manager you'd like.
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09:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
tarzeau: any luck?
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09:02
<daduke>
_UsUrPeR_: he'll be back in a minute
09:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
daduke: k
09:02
daduke: you guys co-workers?
09:03
<daduke>
_UsUrPeR_: yup
09:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh :)
09:03
daduke: where are you guys working?
09:03
<daduke>
_UsUrPeR_: IT Services Group of the Physics Dept. of ETH Zurich
09:03
<treyh222>
microsoft ? lol
09:03
daduke, nice
09:04
_UsUrPeR_, morning
09:04
<daduke>
http://wiki.phys.ethz.ch/readme/contact if anyone should be interested
09:04
<matttttt>
cyber/sbal: i moved all of the unwanted sessions out of /usr/share/xsessions, but 'failsafe xterm' is still an option, this is bad. i don't want our users to be able to select that
09:05
i don't see any mention of "LDM_SESSIONS" in that doc
09:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning treyh222
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09:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ping
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09:18
<tarzeau>
_UsUrPeR_: well yes, i need to configure the ltsp client image to work...
09:18
_UsUrPeR_: i'll do that and then see if it works better
09:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
tarzeau: ok. Good luck. I hopt that helped
09:18
s/hopt/hope
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10:24
<sebjames>
Hi Folks. I have ltsp on Debian. The ltsp rootfs is Etch. I put a line in inittab to make every terminal throw up a shell on the virtual consoles, but am getting strange behaviour.
10:25
The line in inittab is: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -l
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10:25
<sebjames>
The strange behaviour is that the console is not echoing back what I type. Any ideas out there as to what might be up?
10:25
<ogra>
dont do that :)
10:26
you adjust such a thing through lts.conf instead of hacking around in the chroot
10:26
<sebjames>
Ok.
10:27
Now, lts.conf moved between ltsp 4 and ltsp 5.
10:27
Where'd it go...
10:27
<ogra>
in recent ltsp its served from the tftp dir
10:27
i'm not sure the ancient etch had that
10:28
<sebjames>
It is.
10:28
<ogra>
so you are using backports i guess
10:28
<sebjames>
SCREEN_01 = shell etc?
10:29
<ogra>
just add SCREEN_07=shell to the default section ... that will omit ldm from starting and get a a shell on tty7
10:29
for the other ttys as well
10:29
<sebjames>
Does it run a shell or getty?
10:30
<ogra>
it runs bash
10:30
<sebjames>
ok
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10:30
<sebjames>
I seem to have already tried that the last time I tried to solve this. The lts.conf in my tftp directory must not be getting used for some reason.
10:30
<ogra>
right, its etch ...
10:30
<sebjames>
OK
10:30
<ogra>
put it into the chroot in /etc
10:31
<sebjames>
Will do.
10:31
Here goes.
10:31
<ogra>
is your server etch as well ?
10:31
<sebjames>
Server is now Lenny actually
10:31
But was set up with LTSP before I upgraded from Etch to Lenny
10:31
<ogra>
(etch is really old and lacking lots of features, you should use the up to date ltsp client for a server)
10:32
well, move away the old chroot and run ltsp-build-client then :)
10:32
<sebjames>
It's actually not critical for what I'm using this for.
10:32
<ogra>
ah well, up to you
10:33
<alkisg>
!o
10:33
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
10:33
<sebjames>
I may yet re-build the chroot.
10:33
Anyway - the lts.conf is being honoured now. Thanks for the help.
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