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Channel log from 14 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<warren>
Ryan52: hint
01:23
Ryan52: edit your ltsp-dhcpd.conf and make it do PXE instead of elf
01:23
Ryan52: perhaps the mkelfimage wrapped kernel broke with F-11?
01:23
worth testing
01:27
<Ryan52>
the tftp server isn't responding.
01:27
from anything except localhost..
01:28
(from another system on my network:)
01:28
$ tftp 10.0.0.13
01:28
tftp> get /ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp
01:28
Transfer timed out.
01:28
tftp>
01:28
$ ping -c 1 10.0.0.13
01:28
PING 10.0.0.13 (10.0.0.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:28
64 bytes from 10.0.0.13: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.488 ms
01:29
and it's listening, according to netstat..
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<alkisg>
Ryan52: which tftp server is that?
01:31
<warren>
iptables?
01:33* Ryan52 == epic fail
01:33
<Ryan52>
that was it. *shame*
01:34
<warren>
hahha
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<warren>
Ryan52: that bit me dozens of times
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<Ryan52>
now I get a black screen half way through boot.
01:41* Ryan52 wonders if it's an X problem..
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<Drakonen>
are people here using sabayon to administer users? if so how do i get it working on ubuntu-ltsp?
02:45
or else, what are people using to centrally administer users?
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<gate_keeper_>
guys, does anyone have succeded to get thin-clients sound card recognized and working under ubuntu 8.04?
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<tadeu_>
guys, is there any way to chroot the clients ?
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<X-TaZ>
Hi there
07:49
I'm looking for connecting to LTSP via a windows runnning VNC. I'm running LTSP5 on Ubuntu 8.10
07:50
( sorry it's not 100% linux but my boss want it :p
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<Drakonen>
X-TaZ: im doing something similar with rdp on ubuntu 8.10
07:51
using xrdp
07:51
<X-TaZ>
Ok. Does it work ?
07:51
<Drakonen>
yes, but not completely correct
07:51
it seems to forget that its runnign gconf
07:52
while a "normal" PXE booted session works fine
07:53
<X-TaZ>
Doh :x Do you know if vnc works fine with ltsp 5 ? I read some lines about using it on LTSP4 but nothing about 5
07:53
<Drakonen>
which ltsp is default on ubu 8.10?
07:54
<X-TaZ>
5
07:54
:p
07:54
I don't know exactly what 5.0XXX it is :x What command could tell me that ?
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<cliebow>
dpkg -l|grep ltsp
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<X-TaZ>
ty
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<cliebow>
8~)
07:56
<X-TaZ>
so I'm runing 5.1.29-0ubuntu3
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<Drakonen>
same
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<X-TaZ>
Which win32 rdp client are u using Drakonen ?
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<Drakonen>
none, we have tried tsclient on linux, remote desktop on mac, and a hardware thing doing rdp
07:59
we dont run windows on the desktop here
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<X-TaZ>
Lucky :p
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<Drakonen>
or, as little as possible
08:00
we have a cytrix machine though
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<X-TaZ>
My boss want me to make transitionnal from windows to linux... But wants to remain some compz under windows ( i don't know if my english is readable )
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<Drakonen>
its fine
08:01
for clients that do not have to run windows, use PXE booting, works the best as far as i know
08:02
<X-TaZ>
Ok ok
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, install xrdp server and use rdp client to connect
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<X-TaZ>
Well its what I'm doing right now :)
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, so whats the problem?
08:04
<X-TaZ>
I'd prefer using vnc
08:04
<cyberorg>
so enable vnc server?
08:04
<X-TaZ>
( all my clients already have a vnc in their laptops )
08:05
<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, doesnt windows come with rdp client built in?
08:05
<Drakonen>
yes it does
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<X-TaZ>
Enable vnc server .. ? I want clients could connect at the login panel, via VNC, like with usual normal PXE booting on LTSP5
08:06
Oh yes ?
08:06
I have to read more on the web about rdp
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, for that enable xdmcp
08:06
<Drakonen>
remote desktop
08:06
cyberorg: do you have experience with xrdp>?
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<X-TaZ>
cyberorg, : do you have any tutirial about this ?
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<cyberorg>
Drakonen, live dvd here has xrdp server preinstalled http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
08:12
<Drakonen>
so you suggest switching to suse?
08:12
<cyberorg>
open terminal, su -, run rcxrdp start
08:12
<Drakonen>
im running ubuntu atm
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<cyberorg>
Drakonen, if you wish :) but i think xrdp server is available for ubuntu, it should work almost same
08:13
<Drakonen>
(i read all kinds of nice things and easy configuration about kiwi-suse)
08:13
cyberorg: i have it working, but its not working completely properly
08:14
the theme for example is not set correctly and i guess takes on the defaults
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(its not the brown ubuntu theme i get when PXE booting, but blue)
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and when i try to change the desktop background it gives a warning that the gnome-seetings-daemon cannot be started
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, when you have xdmcp enabled, point your vnc client to the ltsp server with whatever port it is running xdmcp (i think it is serverip:1)
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you dont have to change anything in lts.conf for windows PC to connect
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<X-TaZ>
Thanks a lot
08:19
<cyberorg>
Drakonen, i have never tested it with windows, it should work better as a lot of extra work has gone in suse's xrdp
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<Drakonen>
cyberorg: hmm, that might b good news
08:19
but it doesnt matter which rdp client i use :/
08:21
ill try suse, with the link posted before
08:22
which image should i get? opensuse education unstable or opensuse ed kiwi ltsp live?
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<cyberorg>
at least it will tell you if it works properly or not or give you an idea how it should work
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<tadeu_>
guys, how to set a proxy for all users ?
08:36
<alkisg>
tadeu_: System > Preferences > Network proxy > Apply for all users
08:36
<tadeu_>
thanks
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<X-TaZ>
Can't find how to enable XDMCP. I found oldstuff ( since 2006 ) telling me System->Administration->Login Screen Setup > Security but there is nothing about XDMCP in it :x
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<alkisg>
X-TaZ: vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf => [xdmc] => Enable: True
08:49
typo, [xdmcp] => Enable=True
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<tadeu_>
alkisg, well i didn't find that option in ubuntu
08:51
<X-TaZ>
thank you alkisg
08:51
<alkisg>
tadeu_: well, I use Ubuntu and the option's there :)
08:51
Anyway, run: gnome-network-properties
08:51
It's the same without going to the menus
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<ogra>
alkisg, you probably use the other ubuntu :)
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<alkisg>
:P
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<ogra>
i noticed that before ...
09:00
you seem to use the ubuntu that has bugs :P
09:00
<alkisg>
Hehe yeah too many of them! :)
09:01* ogra is really unhappy with the added requirement of gnome translations through ldm-dialog
09:01
<alkisg>
Me too... couldn't you just ask us translators to translate a few more buttons somehow? :(
09:01
<ogra>
ldm was always designed in a way that you could have used it without translation packages to save ram and diskspace
09:02
alkisg, yeah, thats what i would propose
09:03* alkisg would prefer copying all gtk20.mo files from the server manually to installing the language packs on the chroot...
09:03
<ogra>
i assume i will meet stgraber at UDS to discuss it with him
09:03
no, thats hackish
09:03
<alkisg>
Sure, but it's also 20 Mb less :)
09:03
<ogra>
if its really only for a bunch of buttons we really should use custom made ones
09:04
and wont need any language üacks at all
09:04
*packs
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<ogra>
something like ldm should definately ship the translations in the package
09:05
<cyberorg>
cant people who use computers read/live with few buttons/preferences in english?
09:05
<ogra>
they shouldnt need to
09:05
<alkisg>
ogra, but now with localapps the language packs will be needed more..
09:06
<X-TaZ>
alkisg I've done what you said , to activate the xdmcp, but I still can't get a VNC connexion. When i make a netstat -lataupe | grep xdmcp, I get : udp6 0 0 [::]:xdmcp [::]:* root 15520 5072/gdm
09:06
<ogra>
alkisg, well, localapps is a different thing
09:06
<X-TaZ>
So there is no special listening port ?
09:06
<ogra>
alkisg, it means you touch the chroot manually anyway to install packages
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<ogra>
for these you should also install the respective langpacks manually
09:06
<alkisg>
X-TaZ: I've connected with XDMCP locally, but I've never done the vnc <=> xdmcp trick that cyberorg suggested. It sounds cool, though
09:07
ogra, yeah, you're right on this.
09:07
<ogra>
i find it important that a default *thin* client still works with 64M
09:07
adding a huge locale cache to the ram doestn help with that
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<X-TaZ>
Whats the netstat command that coult tell me what the port number of xdmcp, instead of giving me the nickname of the port ?
09:08
<alkisg>
Very important!!! I use such clients every day at school, and they work fine, so I don't like people saying that you need 256 minimum RAM for ltsp...
09:09
<ogra>
yeah
09:09
<alkisg>
X-TaZ: grep -i xdmcp /etc/services
09:09
<X-TaZ>
Thank you :)
09:12
Well cyberorg, the trick you purposed to me don't work. I'm trying to connect with a vnc client to server'sIP:177 without succes. Did I miss sthing ?
09:13* ogra wonders where cyberorg said 177 above
09:14
<X-TaZ>
He said : 1
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, see if this helps http://www.novell.com/communities/node/6669/rdp-linux-managing-gui-displays-remotely
09:14
<X-TaZ>
177 is xdmcp's port. I guess it is on i
09:14
Ok, i'm loking at it
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<cyberorg>
it's got many possible ways of getting desktop from remote PC
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<cyberorg>
you need to allow remote access to your DM, so when you do vnviewer serverip:1 it opens a DM
09:16
<ogra>
only on hacked up distros :P
09:17
<cyberorg>
ogra, :)
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<ogra>
i think that works on suse because they install an X vncserver by default with gdm
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<cyberorg>
ogra, you are right, it enables vnc server via xinetd when we activate GDM/KDM remote access
09:20
<ogra>
right
09:20
<X-TaZ>
ogra, : do you mean i should install VNC server ?
09:20
<ogra>
i saw our security team rant about it before :)
09:21
<cyberorg>
well on 11.2 they are doing away with vnc, using xrdp ;)
09:21
<Drakonen>
and xrdp is using vnc afaik
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<X-TaZ>
I'm getting lost
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<Drakonen>
i had to install tightvnc to be able to get it working
09:22
<cyberorg>
no, dmx, and in failsafe mode it uses vnc
09:23
<ogra>
X-TaZ, since you are using ubuntu, did you look at the ubuntu documentation for vnc setups already ?
09:23
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC might be a good start
09:24
<cyberorg>
there you are "Connecting to your login screen"
09:25
<ogra>
right
09:25
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC#x11vnc
09:26
<X-TaZ>
'looking at it. Thanks a lot guys
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<X-TaZ>
I was messing up between LTSP and VNC. Actually there are 2 really diffrent connectiong modes, there aren't linked
09:31
Thanks a lot all, my work day is finished :) I'll continue it tomorow
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<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: blip
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<Drakonen>
cyberorg: im trying the kiwi live cd atm, but it crashes after a while O_o
09:45
the desktop is still visible, but doesnt respond to input
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<cyberorg>
how much RAM have you got?
09:45
<Drakonen>
256mb
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<cyberorg>
in a virtual machine?
09:46
<Drakonen>
yes, 412 now
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<cyberorg>
you'd need at least close to 512M to run that, it is a full ltsp server
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<Drakonen>
hm
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<cyberorg>
suse's normal installation sucks on 256M, for live you definitely need 512 ;)
09:50
<Drakonen>
hm, its a lot faster atleast :)
10:01
aww no tsclient installed :/ but it does have a java ide
10:01
<cyberorg>
Drakonen, what client are you looking for?
10:02
<Drakonen>
tsclient
10:02
<cyberorg>
vnc/rdp?
10:02
<Drakonen>
rdp
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<cyberorg>
run rdesktop ;)
10:02
<Drakonen>
ugh.. im getting retarded :p
10:03
no clue why i keep on looking for tsclient when im actually looking for rdesktop
10:03
<cyberorg>
using suse for a short while does not do that :P
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<cyberorg>
Drakonen, tsclient added anything else you need?
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<nicros>
cyberorg when i boot off my kiwi image there's a process running 'tail -f /var/log/boot.kiwi'
10:43
where does that come from?
10:43
<cyberorg>
do you run with kiwidebug=1?
10:44
<nicros>
i don't think so, where is that set?
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<cyberorg>
may be from initrd if using kiwidebug, otherwise not sure where else, try grepping in /usr/share/kiwi -R
10:47
<nicros>
not using kiwidebug
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<cyberorg>
if you still can't find it with grepping, post on kiwi-users mailing list, schaefi is on vacation, will be back on 20th so you may get reply only after that :)
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<jammcq>
good afternoon #ltsp
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<cyberorg>
hi jammcq :)
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<NeonLicht>
hello
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<TheProf>
Good day. I hope everyone is well. I am setting up a software RAID to back up my LTSP server. I've been having a steep learning curve with fdisk, partitioning, mdadm, etc but I *think* I have it. I just wanted to confirm it with people who know better before I rely on it for backing up my system.
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<TheProf>
I've created an array from two identical 400 GB drives and they are showing up under /dev/md0
12:01
<Lns>
Hello LTSPers
12:01
<TheProf>
I ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 and it ran successfully.
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<TheProf>
mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows everything is great and clean.
12:02
the only question I have is - why does fdisk -l show there is no valid partition table on /dev/md0? and does that matter? thank you
12:03
<Gadi>
TheProf: md0 *is* a partition, which is why it does not have a partition table
12:03
<TheProf>
Gadi: That was my impression to be honest. I just got worried when fdisk gave me that message.
12:04
<Gadi>
TheProf: no worries on that end
12:04
<TheProf>
I am able to mount /dev/md0 no problem and create/delete files.
12:04
Gadi: Thanks very much!
12:07
<Gadi>
np
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
G
12:22
Gadi: have lew check his email
12:22
<Gadi>
okey dokey
12:22
:)
12:22
but, that's where I draw the line
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
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<Lns>
Gadi: go make me a sammich
12:24
=p
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<Lns>
hi nubae !
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<rjune_>
Gadi !
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: hey do you have any info on energy consumption of your TCs?
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<nubae>
I saw a TC lately that did 7w of consumption only... think it was from MSI
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<Lns>
I need some real world operating numbers for the dw clients as I'm trying to prepare a concept proposal for energy efficiency/reduction with thin client computing.. i've seen some stuff out there but not for those clients specifically
14:46
the more facts i have the easier it'll be to pitch to the big boys :)
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<nubae>
yeah, I'm kinda looking for the same
14:48
the wyse terminals to 12,7 w
14:49
I found the one that did 7w, its a FUTURO A2XX by fujitsu siemens
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<Lns>
my 1220pxe shows 30W power supply, though i'm sure it probably doesn't use the full 30W all the time..
14:50
<nubae>
and I have something very detailed about thin client consumption vs normal pc consumption if u are interested
14:50
<Lns>
nubae: you do? Yes, please send it over! :)
14:50
<nubae>
but its in German
14:50
<Lns>
babelfish ftw ;)
14:50
<nubae>
still u can extract the numbers easily enough
14:51
Thin Client: 220 Tage x 24 h x 7,5 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 1,4 W = 44,47 kWh
14:51
Server: 220 Tage x 24 h x 246,6 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 214,9 W = 2 049,90 kWh
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Server + Klimatisierung: 2 x 2 049,90 kWh = 4 099,80 kWh
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Thin Client + Server-Anteil: 44,47 kWh + 4 099,80 kWh / 35 = 161,61 kWh
14:51
something like that is what u are looking for?
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<Lns>
definitely. Thanks!! I just need to learn how to decipher all of that. ;) I'm not an energy expert (yet)
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<nubae>
klimatisierung = climatisation
14:52
well, its just talking about wattage... so find out how much u pay per watt and u should be good to go
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<Lns>
yeah, kw/h
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<nubae>
so those calculations are for a year
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<Lns>
running 24/7 basically, too
14:53
<nubae>
u want the normal pc figures too?
14:53
<Lns>
sure
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<nubae>
I'll just send u the pdf
14:54
wahts u're email
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<Lns>
that'd be great, thanks =)
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<alkisg>
nubae, could you send it to me too? alkisg at gmail... :)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: The 1220 pulls 8 - 11W (11W peak, 8W normal operating, but it varies)
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: awesome!
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: The 1520 pulls 18 - 20W (20W peak, 18W normal operating, still varies, but much less)
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: wow, the atom client uses MORE?
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I guess it has much more performance-related h/w though (dvi, gfx, 6xusb)
14:57
makes sense
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
exactly
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<Lns>
those are great numbers though
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I'm partnering with an energy efficiency company and we're hoping to make some real waves with this info :)
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to benefit all!
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<nubae>
wahts the difference between 1220 and 1520?
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Lns: u're email?
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<Lns>
lol nubae i PM'd you.. ;)
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<nubae>
oh... hmmm didnt get it
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<Lns>
weird
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did you get that one?
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<Lns>
whatever, nobody's a spammer here i hope =p jerickson at logicalnetworking dot net
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<Nubae>
try again, think its cause I wasn't under my real nick
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ok
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<Lns>
thx =)
15:00* CAN-o-SPAM smiles at a new e-mail address for his list
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<Nubae>
yeah, it would be nice to have a real pro TOC doc
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: :/
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<Nubae>
so according to that doc I just sent u... over 5 years, u'd use 54% less CO2 emissions
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with thin clients
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<Lns>
Nubae: I think between all of us here we could have a pretty solid reference that many could use
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<Nubae>
the doc has some nice comparisons on how in 5 years, if u used thin clients instead of normal pcs, it would be like going round the world 27 times with a VW (co2 emissions saved)
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<Lns>
Crazy Germans and your VW references =p
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<Nubae>
what would be nice is to build an energy sparer script, something that switches off tcs automatically when not in use for 1 hour, etc
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that was one of the biggest issues we had at the school I worked at... pcs were not turned off at night, cause its a pain to go and turn off 100 pcs
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<Lns>
Nubae: there's a windows equiv. in use at the district i'm working for called pheronics or something similar.. though the staff likes the idea of a time-schedule poweroff instead (ala my wiki pages)
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<Nubae>
yeah exactly
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<Lns>
I'm hoping to contract out a couple of really good LTSPers soon to package the energy saving stuff I engineered so it's not so cumbersome to set up and control
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<Nubae>
anyway, in these recessive times, TCs are definetly sexy
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<Lns>
exactly. We've got a really big window of opportunity here
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to make a big splash with ltsp
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<Nubae>
yep... although I wonder what the world figures are now for TCs... must be quit a big number in the millions
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<Lns>
i know FedEx uses them a lot at their facilities
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iirc they're a big citrix shop
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<Nubae>
when wireless LTSP is really doable, that will help a lot too
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precisely in the case of specialised businesses like fedex, restaurants, etc
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Lns: btw... have u checked out the latest Suse LTSP... its really nice
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I wrote an article reviewing it here: www.nubae.com
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<Lns>
Nubae: nice!
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very descriptive
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hrm, easy-ltsp seems SuSE dependent, eh?
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<Nubae>
yep... lots of specific stuff to suse... but to be honest... it really just works
15:23* Lns wonders if parts of it could be taken to produce a more generalized ltsp setup facility
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<Nubae>
as easy as ubuntu, and the edu packages included are pretty all encompasing
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also, nice to mess around with nomad (xrdp) and AOE
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<Lns>
Is anyone working on an Ubuntu LTSP configuration util at all?
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As in, post-install configuration/maintenance
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<Nubae>
In the last couple of days I've seen 6 different ltsp configurators :-)
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non of which are any good, I dont know why everyone wants to make their own
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<Lns>
Nubae: can you site them? I haven't heard of any besides easy-ltsp
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<Nubae>
hmmm check the logs
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I new logging the channel would eventually be useful ;-)
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yesterday precisely we were talking about 2 of them
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python based
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<Lns>
hrm. Sounds like BugsBunnyBR was starting a project I wanted to start too ;)
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http://github.com/BugsBunnyBR/web-ltsp/tree/master
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<cyberorg>
nubae, easy-ltsp will work on any distro, kiwi specific part is just a module, added during compile time, ./configure --with-kiwi
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