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Ryan52: edit your ltsp-dhcpd.conf and make it do PXE instead of elf
Ryan52: perhaps the mkelfimage wrapped kernel broke with F-11?
the tftp server isn't responding.
from anything except localhost..
(from another system on my network:)
$ tftp 10.0.0.13
tftp> get /ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp
Transfer timed out.
$ ping -c 1 10.0.0.13
PING 10.0.0.13 (10.0.0.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 10.0.0.13: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.488 ms
and it's listening, according to netstat..
Ryan52: which tftp server is that?
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that was it. *shame*
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Ryan52: that bit me dozens of times
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now I get a black screen half way through boot.
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are people here using sabayon to administer users? if so how do i get it working on ubuntu-ltsp?
or else, what are people using to centrally administer users?
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guys, does anyone have succeded to get thin-clients sound card recognized and working under ubuntu 8.04?
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guys, is there any way to chroot the clients ?
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I'm looking for connecting to LTSP via a windows runnning VNC. I'm running LTSP5 on Ubuntu 8.10
( sorry it's not 100% linux but my boss want it :p
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X-TaZ: im doing something similar with rdp on ubuntu 8.10
Ok. Does it work ?
yes, but not completely correct
it seems to forget that its runnign gconf
while a "normal" PXE booted session works fine
Doh :x Do you know if vnc works fine with ltsp 5 ? I read some lines about using it on LTSP4 but nothing about 5
which ltsp is default on ubu 8.10?
I don't know exactly what 5.0XXX it is :x What command could tell me that ?
dpkg -l|grep ltsp
so I'm runing 5.1.29-0ubuntu3
Which win32 rdp client are u using Drakonen ?
none, we have tried tsclient on linux, remote desktop on mac, and a hardware thing doing rdp
we dont run windows on the desktop here
or, as little as possible
we have a cytrix machine though
My boss want me to make transitionnal from windows to linux... But wants to remain some compz under windows ( i don't know if my english is readable )
for clients that do not have to run windows, use PXE booting, works the best as far as i know
X-TaZ, install xrdp server and use rdp client to connect
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Well its what I'm doing right now :)
X-TaZ, so whats the problem?
I'd prefer using vnc
so enable vnc server?
( all my clients already have a vnc in their laptops )
X-TaZ, doesnt windows come with rdp client built in?
yes it does
Enable vnc server .. ? I want clients could connect at the login panel, via VNC, like with usual normal PXE booting on LTSP5
Oh yes ?
I have to read more on the web about rdp
X-TaZ, for that enable xdmcp
cyberorg: do you have experience with xrdp>?
cyberorg, : do you have any tutirial about this ?
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Drakonen, live dvd here has xrdp server preinstalled http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
so you suggest switching to suse?
open terminal, su -, run rcxrdp start
im running ubuntu atm
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Drakonen, if you wish :) but i think xrdp server is available for ubuntu, it should work almost same
(i read all kinds of nice things and easy configuration about kiwi-suse)
cyberorg: i have it working, but its not working completely properly
the theme for example is not set correctly and i guess takes on the defaults
(its not the brown ubuntu theme i get when PXE booting, but blue)
and when i try to change the desktop background it gives a warning that the gnome-seetings-daemon cannot be started
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X-TaZ, when you have xdmcp enabled, point your vnc client to the ltsp server with whatever port it is running xdmcp (i think it is serverip:1)
you dont have to change anything in lts.conf for windows PC to connect
Thanks a lot
Drakonen, i have never tested it with windows, it should work better as a lot of extra work has gone in suse's xrdp
cyberorg: hmm, that might b good news
but it doesnt matter which rdp client i use :/
ill try suse, with the link posted before
which image should i get? opensuse education unstable or opensuse ed kiwi ltsp live?
at least it will tell you if it works properly or not or give you an idea how it should work
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guys, how to set a proxy for all users ?
tadeu_: System > Preferences > Network proxy > Apply for all users
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Can't find how to enable XDMCP. I found oldstuff ( since 2006 ) telling me System->Administration->Login Screen Setup > Security but there is nothing about XDMCP in it :x
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X-TaZ: vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf => [xdmc] => Enable: True
typo, [xdmcp] => Enable=True
alkisg, well i didn't find that option in ubuntu
thank you alkisg
tadeu_: well, I use Ubuntu and the option's there :)
Anyway, run: gnome-network-properties
It's the same without going to the menus
alkisg, you probably use the other ubuntu :)
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i noticed that before ...
you seem to use the ubuntu that has bugs :P
Hehe yeah too many of them! :)
|09:01||* ogra is really unhappy with the added requirement of gnome translations through ldm-dialog|
Me too... couldn't you just ask us translators to translate a few more buttons somehow? :(
ldm was always designed in a way that you could have used it without translation packages to save ram and diskspace
alkisg, yeah, thats what i would propose
|09:03||* alkisg would prefer copying all gtk20.mo files from the server manually to installing the language packs on the chroot...|
i assume i will meet stgraber at UDS to discuss it with him
no, thats hackish
Sure, but it's also 20 Mb less :)
if its really only for a bunch of buttons we really should use custom made ones
and wont need any language üacks at all
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something like ldm should definately ship the translations in the package
cant people who use computers read/live with few buttons/preferences in english?
they shouldnt need to
ogra, but now with localapps the language packs will be needed more..
alkisg I've done what you said , to activate the xdmcp, but I still can't get a VNC connexion. When i make a netstat -lataupe | grep xdmcp, I get : udp6 0 0 [::]:xdmcp [::]:* root 15520 5072/gdm
alkisg, well, localapps is a different thing
So there is no special listening port ?
alkisg, it means you touch the chroot manually anyway to install packages
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for these you should also install the respective langpacks manually
X-TaZ: I've connected with XDMCP locally, but I've never done the vnc <=> xdmcp trick that cyberorg suggested. It sounds cool, though
ogra, yeah, you're right on this.
i find it important that a default *thin* client still works with 64M
adding a huge locale cache to the ram doestn help with that
Whats the netstat command that coult tell me what the port number of xdmcp, instead of giving me the nickname of the port ?
Very important!!! I use such clients every day at school, and they work fine, so I don't like people saying that you need 256 minimum RAM for ltsp...
X-TaZ: grep -i xdmcp /etc/services
Thank you :)
Well cyberorg, the trick you purposed to me don't work. I'm trying to connect with a vnc client to server'sIP:177 without succes. Did I miss sthing ?
|09:13||* ogra wonders where cyberorg said 177 above|
He said : 1
X-TaZ, see if this helps http://www.novell.com/communities/node/6669/rdp-linux-managing-gui-displays-remotely
177 is xdmcp's port. I guess it is on i
Ok, i'm loking at it
it's got many possible ways of getting desktop from remote PC
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you need to allow remote access to your DM, so when you do vnviewer serverip:1 it opens a DM
only on hacked up distros :P
i think that works on suse because they install an X vncserver by default with gdm
ogra, you are right, it enables vnc server via xinetd when we activate GDM/KDM remote access
ogra, : do you mean i should install VNC server ?
i saw our security team rant about it before :)
well on 11.2 they are doing away with vnc, using xrdp ;)
and xrdp is using vnc afaik
I'm getting lost
i had to install tightvnc to be able to get it working
no, dmx, and in failsafe mode it uses vnc
X-TaZ, since you are using ubuntu, did you look at the ubuntu documentation for vnc setups already ?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC might be a good start
there you are "Connecting to your login screen"
'looking at it. Thanks a lot guys
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I was messing up between LTSP and VNC. Actually there are 2 really diffrent connectiong modes, there aren't linked
Thanks a lot all, my work day is finished :) I'll continue it tomorow
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cyberorg: im trying the kiwi live cd atm, but it crashes after a while O_o
the desktop is still visible, but doesnt respond to input
how much RAM have you got?
in a virtual machine?
yes, 412 now
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you'd need at least close to 512M to run that, it is a full ltsp server
suse's normal installation sucks on 256M, for live you definitely need 512 ;)
hm, its a lot faster atleast :)
aww no tsclient installed :/ but it does have a java ide
Drakonen, what client are you looking for?
run rdesktop ;)
ugh.. im getting retarded :p
no clue why i keep on looking for tsclient when im actually looking for rdesktop
using suse for a short while does not do that :P
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Drakonen, tsclient added anything else you need?
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cyberorg when i boot off my kiwi image there's a process running 'tail -f /var/log/boot.kiwi'
where does that come from?
do you run with kiwidebug=1?
i don't think so, where is that set?
may be from initrd if using kiwidebug, otherwise not sure where else, try grepping in /usr/share/kiwi -R
not using kiwidebug
if you still can't find it with grepping, post on kiwi-users mailing list, schaefi is on vacation, will be back on 20th so you may get reply only after that :)
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good afternoon #ltsp
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hi jammcq :)
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Good day. I hope everyone is well. I am setting up a software RAID to back up my LTSP server. I've been having a steep learning curve with fdisk, partitioning, mdadm, etc but I *think* I have it. I just wanted to confirm it with people who know better before I rely on it for backing up my system.
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I've created an array from two identical 400 GB drives and they are showing up under /dev/md0
I ran mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 and it ran successfully.
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mdadm -D /dev/md0 shows everything is great and clean.
the only question I have is - why does fdisk -l show there is no valid partition table on /dev/md0? and does that matter? thank you
TheProf: md0 *is* a partition, which is why it does not have a partition table
Gadi: That was my impression to be honest. I just got worried when fdisk gave me that message.
TheProf: no worries on that end
I am able to mount /dev/md0 no problem and create/delete files.
Gadi: Thanks very much!
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Gadi: have lew check his email
but, that's where I draw the line
Gadi: go make me a sammich
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hi nubae !
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CAN-o-SPAM: hey do you have any info on energy consumption of your TCs?
I saw a TC lately that did 7w of consumption only... think it was from MSI
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I need some real world operating numbers for the dw clients as I'm trying to prepare a concept proposal for energy efficiency/reduction with thin client computing.. i've seen some stuff out there but not for those clients specifically
the more facts i have the easier it'll be to pitch to the big boys :)
yeah, I'm kinda looking for the same
the wyse terminals to 12,7 w
I found the one that did 7w, its a FUTURO A2XX by fujitsu siemens
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my 1220pxe shows 30W power supply, though i'm sure it probably doesn't use the full 30W all the time..
and I have something very detailed about thin client consumption vs normal pc consumption if u are interested
nubae: you do? Yes, please send it over! :)
but its in German
babelfish ftw ;)
still u can extract the numbers easily enough
Thin Client: 220 Tage x 24 h x 7,5 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 1,4 W = 44,47 kWh
Server: 220 Tage x 24 h x 246,6 W + 145 Tage x 24 h x 214,9 W = 2 049,90 kWh
Server + Klimatisierung: 2 x 2 049,90 kWh = 4 099,80 kWh
Thin Client + Server-Anteil: 44,47 kWh + 4 099,80 kWh / 35 = 161,61 kWh
something like that is what u are looking for?
definitely. Thanks!! I just need to learn how to decipher all of that. ;) I'm not an energy expert (yet)
klimatisierung = climatisation
well, its just talking about wattage... so find out how much u pay per watt and u should be good to go
so those calculations are for a year
running 24/7 basically, too
u want the normal pc figures too?
I'll just send u the pdf
wahts u're email
that'd be great, thanks =)
nubae, could you send it to me too? alkisg at gmail... :)
Lns: The 1220 pulls 8 - 11W (11W peak, 8W normal operating, but it varies)
Lns: The 1520 pulls 18 - 20W (20W peak, 18W normal operating, still varies, but much less)
CAN-o-SPAM: wow, the atom client uses MORE?
I guess it has much more performance-related h/w though (dvi, gfx, 6xusb)
those are great numbers though
I'm partnering with an energy efficiency company and we're hoping to make some real waves with this info :)
to benefit all!
wahts the difference between 1220 and 1520?
Lns: u're email?
lol nubae i PM'd you.. ;)
oh... hmmm didnt get it
did you get that one?
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whatever, nobody's a spammer here i hope =p jerickson at logicalnetworking dot net
try again, think its cause I wasn't under my real nick
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yeah, it would be nice to have a real pro TOC doc
so according to that doc I just sent u... over 5 years, u'd use 54% less CO2 emissions
with thin clients
Nubae: I think between all of us here we could have a pretty solid reference that many could use
the doc has some nice comparisons on how in 5 years, if u used thin clients instead of normal pcs, it would be like going round the world 27 times with a VW (co2 emissions saved)
Crazy Germans and your VW references =p
what would be nice is to build an energy sparer script, something that switches off tcs automatically when not in use for 1 hour, etc
that was one of the biggest issues we had at the school I worked at... pcs were not turned off at night, cause its a pain to go and turn off 100 pcs
Nubae: there's a windows equiv. in use at the district i'm working for called pheronics or something similar.. though the staff likes the idea of a time-schedule poweroff instead (ala my wiki pages)
I'm hoping to contract out a couple of really good LTSPers soon to package the energy saving stuff I engineered so it's not so cumbersome to set up and control
anyway, in these recessive times, TCs are definetly sexy
exactly. We've got a really big window of opportunity here
to make a big splash with ltsp
yep... although I wonder what the world figures are now for TCs... must be quit a big number in the millions
i know FedEx uses them a lot at their facilities
iirc they're a big citrix shop
when wireless LTSP is really doable, that will help a lot too
precisely in the case of specialised businesses like fedex, restaurants, etc
Lns: btw... have u checked out the latest Suse LTSP... its really nice
I wrote an article reviewing it here: www.nubae.com
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hrm, easy-ltsp seems SuSE dependent, eh?
yep... lots of specific stuff to suse... but to be honest... it really just works
|15:23||* Lns wonders if parts of it could be taken to produce a more generalized ltsp setup facility|
as easy as ubuntu, and the edu packages included are pretty all encompasing
also, nice to mess around with nomad (xrdp) and AOE
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Is anyone working on an Ubuntu LTSP configuration util at all?
As in, post-install configuration/maintenance
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In the last couple of days I've seen 6 different ltsp configurators :-)
non of which are any good, I dont know why everyone wants to make their own
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Nubae: can you site them? I haven't heard of any besides easy-ltsp
hmmm check the logs
I new logging the channel would eventually be useful ;-)
yesterday precisely we were talking about 2 of them
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hrm. Sounds like BugsBunnyBR was starting a project I wanted to start too ;)
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nubae, easy-ltsp will work on any distro, kiwi specific part is just a module, added during compile time, ./configure --with-kiwi
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