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Channel log from 30 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<garbat>
As I can eliminate the assembly automatic rifle in the thin client of discs scsi-sda1, scsi-sda2...?
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<mcfloppy_>
moin
04:13
bzw hello
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<cyberorg>
hi i installed edubuntu tribe 5, client boots up and just gives me loging prompt, no ldm login
07:28
how do i get ldm?
07:30
alright got the login, it took about 4 minutes to do that :/
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<ogra>
cyberorg, what kind of client is that ?
07:32
<cyberorg>
ogra, it might be server problem, vmware :)
07:32
<ogra>
ah, k
07:32
yeah, i heard there are various probs with vmware ... specifically network related stuff
07:33
<cyberorg>
login is still at verifying password, please wait...
07:33
<ogra>
but that sounds just like vmware slowness
07:34
my slowest real client here boots in 110sec here ... thats a 200Mhz all on one chip thingie (took 5 mins with feisty)
07:34
regular (i.e. ~500MHz) systems should be up in around 45-60 sec
07:35
<cyberorg>
it has been about 7 minutes since i gave login to gdm, still black screen with mouse pointer
07:35
i am sshed into the server and that seems to respond fast
07:36
would nfs root work faster than nbd?
07:37
nbd is default right?
07:38
<ogra>
xnfs is a lot slower than nbd ususally
07:38
(twice as slow over the thumb)
07:39
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
07:39
has a howto to switch your chroot to nfs
07:39
(at the bottom)
07:39
<cyberorg>
ogra, yeah, was just looking at that :)
07:41
ogra, is .img exactly same as /opt/ltsp/i386?
07:42
<ogra>
its a squashfs of /opt/ltsp/i386
07:42
but yes
07:42
the contents are identical
07:42
<cyberorg>
ok
07:42
<ogra>
if you make changes, do them chrooted in /opt/ltsp/i386 as usual and then run ltsp-update-image to rebuild the sqaushfs
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<cyberorg>
ogra, ok
07:44
ogra, how do i see what is going on behind the boot splash?
07:45
<ogra>
remove the word splash from your boot file (pxelinux.cfg/default in the tftp dir)
07:46
<cyberorg>
ok, o got "There was error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon" message
07:46
<ogra>
??
07:46
<cyberorg>
nfs seems to have worked faster, under 1 min
07:47
<ogra>
so vmware has a prob with nbd
07:47
<cyberorg>
yeah, looks like that, i'll switch back and see
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<cyberorg>
"module-detect.c: failed to detect any sound hardware"
07:51
module.c: failed to load module "module-detect" (argument:""): initialization failed
07:51
known?
07:52
client is acer travelmate 2350 laptop, running celeron M, 750+ ram
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<ogra>
no idea, look at launchpad :)
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:12
<cyberorg>
moin sbalneav
08:13
<sbalneav>
heya
08:14
<ByPasS>
morning sbal
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<BlackDark>
hi
08:47
I'm doing a brand new installation of ltsp
08:47
based on feisty
08:47
<ogra>
great
08:47
!ubuntu
08:47
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:47
<BlackDark>
I have, some problems to make work the usd pen drives
08:47
I can see the device settling in syslog
08:48
but it's not mounted in the user session
08:48
<ogra>
you just need to enable access for the user in the users and groups tool
08:48
<BlackDark>
in /etc/group ?
08:48
<ogra>
no
08:48
in the gui tool
08:48
<BlackDark>
what tool do I need to install ?
08:49
<ogra>
use the tool that is installed for user and group maintenance in your desktop
08:49
it has an option for ltspfs
08:49
<BlackDark>
do I still need to add the directives for localdev in lts.conf ?
08:50
<ogra>
thats in there by default
08:50
ltsp-build-client in feisty adds a default lts.conf with sound and loicaldev enabled
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<BlackDark>
umm it has the right to
08:51
brb
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<rjune_>
Howdy
09:18
<ogra>
yo rjune
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<cliebow>
hey rjune!!
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<blackdark|away>
ogra : if hte user has the right to use ltspfs, what could be wrong ?
10:05
<ogra>
blackdark|away, you fiddled around with yout lts.conf could be a reason, ltspfs not being installed in either server or chroot could be another
10:05
nt using ldm could also be one
10:05
*not
10:05
<sbalneav>
!localdevs
10:05
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "localdevs" is not a valid command.
10:05
<sbalneav>
!localdev
10:05
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
10:05
<sbalneav>
Take a shuffle through that last link.
10:06
<blackdark|away>
thanks
10:06* ogra cries ....
10:06
<ogra>
debconf hates me :(
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<sbalneav>
ogra: it just doesn't know what a nice person you are.
10:08
<ogra>
well, it cant run twice on one machine apparently
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<ogra>
and since d-i occupies the file descriptor already, it breaks if ltsp-build-client calls apt-get in the chroot
10:08
since that invokes a new debconf frontend
10:09
looks like i have to rewrite half of ltsp-build-client to make it work as i want
10:10
and redirect all output of every plugin
10:10
*murm*
10:11
<sbalneav>
What's this for? Getting status messages during the build?
10:11
<ogra>
no, getting progress reporting in the installer
10:12
<sbalneav>
right, that's what I meant. This is so we don't have the "stuck at 50% for a long time" issue.
10:12
Rewriting half of build-client's a big job.
10:12
<blackdark|away>
it's a local problem
10:13
the usb pendrive is not mounted automaticly
10:13
<sbalneav>
Couldn't we just echo > /dev/ttysomething, and put a note up on the screen telling people to look on ttysomething for status?
10:13
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "new udeb frontend script" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/297
10:13
<blackdark|away>
if I connect to the term, I can mount the drive manually
10:13
<ogra>
look what i need to do to make the basics work
10:14
<blackdark|away>
do it use automount or so ?
10:14
<ogra>
yes
10:14
<sbalneav>
blackdark|away: The usb pen won't be mounted automatically.
10:14
<blackdark|away>
how do it work ?
10:14
does
10:14
<sbalneav>
It uses an automounter.
10:15
<monteslu>
are lts.conf variable names case-sensitive?
10:15
<blackdark|away>
what does trig the automounter ?
10:15
<ogra>
if you plug it in, the kernel sends an event udev picks up ... udev triggers an automounter ...
10:15
<sbalneav>
monteslu: yes.
10:15
<ogra>
the automounter uses the ssh tunnel of ldm to then do the actual mounting
10:15
<blackdark|away>
how can I debug that ?
10:15
<sbalneav>
blackdark|away: read or write access to the device.
10:15
<monteslu>
sbalneav, thatś what I thought, but conflicting documentation regarding keyboard variables
10:15
<sbalneav>
with the procedure that's on that page.
10:16
monteslu: Which conflicting docs?
10:16
ogra: Could you use the "tee" command here?
10:16
<ogra>
sbalneav, can you ask tee to use different things than stdin/out ?
10:16
else it wont help
10:17
<sbalneav>
I beleive so...
10:17
<ogra>
the file descriptor clashing is my prob
10:17
<monteslu>
sbalneav, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-client.html & http://www.edubuntu.org/GettingStarted
10:17
look at the keyboard things on those
10:17
<ogra>
gettingstarted is explicitly for dapper
10:18
<monteslu>
so itś uppercase in 7.04 ?
10:18
<ogra>
it was always uppercase
10:18
<monteslu>
except for dapper,then
10:19
<ogra>
no, but dapper didnt care :)
10:19
<sbalneav>
What's in the handbook is correct.
10:19
<ogra>
right
10:20
<sbalneav>
Well, tee goes to a file.
10:20
so couldn't you just tee to the fifo?
10:21
<ogra>
sure, what do i gain beyond just using > with that ?
10:21
<sbalneav>
Sorry, maybe I'm not understanding the problem.
10:21
<ogra>
note that the FIFO needs to be read through fd9
10:23
<sbalneav>
ah, so it's the fact that you're calling db_progress while the chroot's building that's the problem?
10:24
<ogra>
yes
10:24
<sbalneav>
ok, now I see.
10:24
umm, well...
10:24
<ogra>
what i need to do is to make all chrooted stuff use a different fd
10:24
and then redirect that to ltsp-build-client's stdout
10:25
<sbalneav>
db_progress has to use fd9?
10:25
<ogra>
anything above 3 as i understood ... else you spam the debconf screen with messages
10:27
<sbalneav>
Well, me, personally, I wouldn't have a problem with all that stuff just being echoed to > /dev/tty11 or wherever, and just tell people to check on that tty for status.
10:27
<ogra>
actually i need to implement the in-target script from the debian-installer-utils package into ltsp-buil-client it seems
10:27
thats no option for me
10:27
it has towork as the reast of the installer
10:28
<sbalneav>
heh, yeah, you've got internal company policy to deal with :)
10:28
<ogra>
s/company/distro/
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<vagrantc>
ogra: so, what did all that symlinkery mess up for you ?
11:34* vagrantc pokes sbalneav
11:35
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, it takes kubuntu and xubuntu the opportunity to use their theme icons
11:35
<vagrantc>
ogra: ?
11:36
<ogra>
xubuntu and kubuntu have their own button themeing etc ...
11:36
<vagrantc>
ogra: the *only* symlinks i made were ones that were currently identical
11:36
<ogra>
right
11:36
<vagrantc>
so ...
11:36
<ogra>
they wont stay identical
11:36
<vagrantc>
doesn't it make sense to switch them when they aren't identical ?
11:37
<ogra>
i dont want to have to check that if any xubuntu dev contributes stuff ...
11:37
so leave them their dirs
11:37
feel free to do whatever you want with the debian or skole ones :)
11:37
<vagrantc>
well, we deleted the debian-edu ones.
11:37
they'll maintain it in their own package
11:38
<ogra>
right
11:38
<vagrantc>
and next time don't revert the debian changes :P
11:38
<ogra>
and you linked debians buttons to edubuntus
11:38
<vagrantc>
right
11:38
<ogra>
which is fine
11:38
anyway, i'm suffering with other stuff here
11:38
<vagrantc>
i also put a debian logo in place
11:38
sure sure
11:38
<ogra>
yup, saw that
11:38
debconf is giving me grief
11:39
<vagrantc>
what sort of grief?
11:39
did you move almost entirely away from debconf ?
11:39
<ogra>
d-i grief
11:39
not with the udeb
11:39
which needs a total rework *now*
11:40
problem is, if d-i occupies the debconf frontend, ltsp-build-client breaks
11:40
<vagrantc>
ouch
11:41
<ogra>
i'm already blowing little steam rings out of my ears here while trying to wrap my head around fd redirection
11:42
debconf itself only works if i pipe the output of ltsp-buil-client through a fifo which in turn is piped through fd9 (or so) ...
11:42
that works well as long as only debootstrap runs ... the moment apt-get update runs it breaks ...
11:42
<vagrantc>
what changed that caused it to break ?
11:42
<ogra>
nothing
11:42
it never worked
11:43
<vagrantc>
the udeb never worked ?
11:43
<ogra>
we had no progress reporting in the udeb
11:43
<vagrantc>
ah
11:43
got it
11:43
<ogra>
cjwatsons answer was that we shouldnt use chroot in ltsp-build-client
11:43
<vagrantc>
can we spit the output to a file, and then parse the file for a progress bar ?
11:44
<ogra>
but implement something like in-target from d-i-utils
11:44
<vagrantc>
not use chroot in ltsp-build-client ? that's a trivial change :)
11:44
<ogra>
heh
11:44
<vagrantc>
actually ...
11:45
<ogra>
well, in-target sets some debconf vars amongst other stuff
11:45
<vagrantc>
if we implement ltsp-chroot ... which could behave differently if run from d-i
11:45
then our code could stay sane
11:45
<ogra>
well, yes
11:45
we would have to replace all chroot calls
11:46
same as the in-target approach
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<vagrantc>
yes, but if we handled the chroot calls in ltsp-chroot, and have some way to define that ltsp-chroot uses in-target ...
11:47
then we only have to make the d-i weirdness in a single place
11:47
<ogra>
and have a --in-d-i switch
11:47
or some such
11:47
<vagrantc>
or an environment variable
11:47
<ogra>
hmm, i just realize that my approach wont work anyway :P
11:48
<vagrantc>
heh
11:48
<ogra>
apparently the mksquashfs progress output isnt properly pipeable
11:48* vagrantc plays with a "new" laptop
11:48
<ogra>
ooooh !
11:48
how's the visa situation btw ?
11:48
any news ?
11:49
<vagrantc>
it's beurocratic and complicated to even get started
11:49
<ogra>
yeah, thats expected ...
11:49
its got governments involved ....
11:49
<vagrantc>
so, not really any news worth mentioning
11:50
still struggling with exactly what even needs to be applied for
11:50
there's numerous different visas, permits, etc. and not really much definition of what is for what
11:53
<sbalneav>
back, sorry was away.
11:53
Gimme a chance to read.
11:56
ok, so what are we doing opposite the symlinks?
11:56
<vagrantc>
just copying everything over, apparently.
11:56
<sbalneav>
okie
11:57
So long as everyone's happy, I'm happy :)
11:57* vagrantc makes mild but inconsequential grumbling sounds
11:58
<sbalneav>
I don't care one way or the other: this is a "packaging" thing to me, and I'll leave that to people who know packaging more than I do. :)
11:59
I got my hands full with code + docs :)
11:59
<vagrantc>
i just saw a way to significantly reduce the size a bit, but apparently it is unpopular
12:00
in the long-term, i think we should have a "common" theme directory, and themes should only put in bits that differ from common.
12:00
that would be simpler than symlinks
12:00
though ogra's concern that something might break for the others would still stand ...
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<vagrantc>
though having separate files for everything doesn't really change that, in my opinion.
12:01
<sbalneav>
If it were me, I'd ask why we're including k* x* ed* debian themes at all, I'd have thought they'd be separate packages that would be maintained by each distro, but that's just me :)
12:01
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: that's what i would suggest, yes :)
12:02
<sbalneav>
we'll hash that one out next time :)
12:02
<ogra>
right
12:02
<vagrantc>
we need an "LTSP" theme.
12:02
<ogra>
feel free
12:02
<sbalneav>
ok, off for some excersize. Doctor's been waving his finger at me.
12:04
<ogra>
hmmm
12:04
is there a way to have a "virtual tty" ?
12:05
like xvfb
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<ogra>
i really dont manage to get any mksquashfs output throug the fifo
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<rjune_>
hey ogra
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<mighty-d>
hi, is there a way to use krfb with a thin client?
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<ogra>
mighty-d, does that use libvnc in the backend ?
13:42
if so, you should be able to, yes
13:42
<monteslu>
wasn't there a rapper that went by "mighty d" ?
13:42
<ogra>
vino in gnome works so i wouldnt see a reason why krfb shouldnt ....
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<mighty-d>
ogra, i try to run krfb in the client
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but when i use krdc i get a black screen
13:54
still i can see how i move the mouse pointer in the thin client screen
13:55
i know this is because the display is running on the thin client, and not in the server, but how do i solve this?
13:59
ogra, is there any other way to take over a thin client's terminal?
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<dmorar>
ogra, im sorry, power went off
14:13
ill repeat my question, whenever i try to run krfb in the thin client, and then connect with krdc i get a black screen, i know this is because i try to get the display from a thin client that thinks its the server, is there any other way to control user's terminals ?
14:17
<ogra>
is that ltsp5 ?
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<dmorar>
no, unfortunatelly it isnt
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<str4nd>
ogra: Do you know any kiosk mode WM:s (Only something like ksmoothdock and permission to open firefox / OO.o)
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<ogra>
str4nd, no, feel free to experiment with a ~/.xsession :)
14:22
<str4nd>
:)
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<loather-work>
ugh. esound seems to really suck
14:37
<ogra>
thats why we dont use it anymore ;)
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<loather-work>
hmm. what are we using instead?
14:37* loather-work is still on ... 4.3?
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<ogra>
a virtual alsa device on top of a pulseaudio stream
14:39
<loather-work>
that's much more sexy than esd.
14:39
'cause everything (worth a damn) supports alsa
14:39
<ogra>
works a lot better as well :)
14:39
<sbalneav>
We're all about the sexy here at LTSP :)
14:39
<ogra>
and you have volume control
14:39
<loather-work>
yes, volume control is nice :)
14:40
i think i blew my headphones debugging a problem with our setup
14:40
<ogra>
we'll go for hal integration next release i think ... so we'll have recording by then and autodetection (plug in your usb headset and it just works)
14:41
hotpluggable sound devices its a great thing :)
14:41
<loather-work>
*niiiiice* ... when's the next release? (bad question, i know. Speculative guesses are OK)
14:41
I agree. Hotpluggable anything that Just Works(tm) is great.
14:43
<ogra>
well, ltsp5 is depending on the distro release its built in ... for ubuntu thats 8.04 .... (current dev release is just being stabilized for october), no idea when the next debian release is :)
14:43
i guess "if its ready"
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<gu>
can that pulse audio device be used in conjunction with a jack server?
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<ogra>
probably, i never tired that (we dont have jack in main in ubuntu, so i dont really test such stuff)
15:06
if the jack server can use the alsa device as backend i see no probs though
15:07
<gu>
i'm planning to use ltsp at a small radio station - would be great if it would be possible to use ardour, but that depends on jack
15:08
i don't know if jack only works with alsa real-hardware devices
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<ogra>
well, it should work with the virtual device as well
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<ogra>
from a client side view the device looks like any other alsa device
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<gu>
ok - so i'll just take a closer look
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<loather-work>
yea... the clients here are used to the fedora L&F
15:39
so i'll probably get the latest tarball and see if i can jimmy it together with F7
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
HI! how do i setup autologin for my terminal?
17:53
terminals?
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
HI! how do i setup autologin for my terminals?
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each terminal must use a specific user (im using gnome/gdm)
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<rcy>
pablo-uy-mvd: good question... id like to do the same thing
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
rcy. yes it would be great to know how to setup taht config
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<ari_stress>
morning
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<loather-work>
ok, i'm convinced that nfs on linux is stupid./
20:02
<MS_slayer>
how stupid?
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:)
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<loather-work>
stupid enough so that if the permissions are wide open, it *still* returns permission denied on the client.
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<jammcq>
what are you doing, when you get the error?
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<MS_slayer>
i haven't encounter that kind of problem
20:07
<loather-work>
mount -t nfs server:/opt/ltsp /tmp/ltsp
20:07
nothing specia.
20:07
<MS_slayer>
what is the /etc/exports?
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<jammcq>
on the server, do this: showmount -e
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<loather-work>
/opt/ltsp *(rw,no_root_squash)
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<jammcq>
what distro?
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<loather-work>
F7
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on the server, anyways
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<jammcq>
is your client listed in dns or /etc/hosts ?
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<loather-work>
in /etc/hosts, yes
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<jammcq>
see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog ?
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<loather-work>
just the normal garbage about an authenticated mount request on the server
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<jammcq>
are you doing the mount as the superuser ?
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<loather-work>
yup
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<jammcq>
umm, been a while since I played with Fedora
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<loather-work>
yeah, i wonder if there's some sort of stupidity going on with that
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<jammcq>
the error you are getting is 'Permission Denied' ?
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<loather-work>
mount: server:/opt/ltsp failed, reason given by server: Permission denied
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<jammcq>
lots of poeple using Fedora 7 with LTSP, and that depends on NFS, so I'm thinking there's nothing inherently wrong with Fedora/NFS
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ah
20:14
on the server, do this: exportfs -ra
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then try your mount again
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<loather-work>
yeah, done that :)
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<jammcq>
recently?
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<loather-work>
yeah :)
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see. No reason it should be doing this, right?
20:19
well. there's a reason, of course, but it's probably not a good one :)
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<MS_slayer>
back
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<MS_slayer>
loather-work: how about restarting the nfs daemon?
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also check for portmap daemon is running
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<jammcq>
if portmap wasn't running, then showmount wouldn't work
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<MS_slayer>
oh right
20:34
how about SELinux?
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<jammcq>
that's what i'd worry about
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<loather-work>
MS_slayer: tried that several times. SElinux is disabled on both systems
20:34
<jammcq>
i've got no experience with that
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<MS_slayer>
mm FC7 is such a grumpy baby
20:34
ok what else
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<loather-work>
it really is. i've had to clue-by-four it back into being useful more than once
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<MS_slayer>
let me search my magic book :)
20:38
i have 107,178 messages in my Fedora folder :)
20:40
do you define anything in /etc/hosts.deny hosts.allow?
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<loather-work>
nope. tcp_wrappers needs to die a horrible death
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although, adding ALL:ALL to hosts.allow makes no difference
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<MS_slayer>
nice
20:41
are you using the latest kernel?
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<loather-work>
2.6.22.2
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so not quite the latest. but pretty close :)
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<MS_slayer>
do you still have the older kernel?
20:43
looks like the newer kernel has problem with nfs
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> I have been struggling to update my machines to fedora 7 with the latest
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> kernel. We are getting a crash of the kernel as shown below.
20:44
Drop back a kernel. There is at least one NFSv4 problem in the new kernel
20:44
being worked on upstream and it seems you are hitting it
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<loather-work>
yea, this isn't a crash though (and i can't really reboot the machine right now anyways)
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<jammcq>
but he shouldn't even be using NFSv4
20:44
maybe he IS using that and that's the problem, in which case he should try v3
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<loather-work>
yeah, it's just nfsv3, whatever kernel autoconfiguration uses
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nah, it's v3
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<jammcq>
k
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<loather-work>
you have to specify nfs4 as the fstype to mount ;(
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and that doesn't work either
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<MS_slayer>
oh ok
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<MS_slayer>
but, make sure you're using v3
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morning scott
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<loather-work>
yea, i can specify -o vers=3 but it doesn't change anything
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<sbalneav>
Evening MS_slayer!
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<MS_slayer>
> What's the purpose of the NFS4 checkbox in securitylevel, and why is
20:48
> NFS access so complicated to setup?
20:48
Using the new format of /etc/exports and 'checking the checkbox' should
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work out of the box.
20:49
FC5 once got me. a forgot what feature, but it seemed that FC5 dropped it, because it planned to use a new cool one, but the new one hadn't been implemented. very annoying
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<loather-work>
no firewall on either machine
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and new format of /etc/exports?
20:50* loather-work googles this
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<MS_slayer>
there are many FC7 and NFS problems in my mail filter
20:51
<loather-work>
ok, so i'm not insane.
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<MS_slayer>
Interesting; hadn't noticed that (and it isn't in the release notes :P).
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portmap has been replaced with rpcbind, which is functionally equivalent.
20:53
portmap has been replaced?
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:D
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<loather-work>
yup, figured that one out
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<MS_slayer>
damn.. FC7 is so bleeding edge
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<MS_slayer>
http://goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php
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:D
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<loather-work>
microsoft sucks :p
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okay. well. i managed to work around the problem
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i stuck the repository onto a different box and mounted it instead.
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<MS_slayer>
running FC7 too?
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<loather-work>
no, it's the old ltsp host
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running FC5
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<MS_slayer>
see, FC7 is so bleeding edge that it's bleeding to death :D
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<loather-work>
hahaha :)
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i can believe that
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now, if only i could get the station to actually boot.
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<sbalneav>
Back in a minute
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<sbalneav>
Back
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