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Channel log from 29 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ii>
Anyone around to help?
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<efaistos>
hi
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<efaistos>
does someone have a good tutorial for ltsp ?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:38
ogra_cmpc: Hey, you online over there?
08:38
<ogra_cmpc>
no, just pretending to
08:38
:)
08:39
<sbalneav>
So, are we going to kick off with an "edubuntu roundtable?"
08:39
And bang in some specs?
08:39
<ogra_cmpc>
rich is still busy writing them :)
08:39
<sbalneav>
heh
08:40
<ogra_cmpc>
there is #uds-boston btw
08:40
<sbalneav>
Oh, cool
08:40
Joining
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<Mikaku>
hi all
09:45
quick question: what is the first script executed during the LTSP bootup?
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
10:32
<Gadi>
morning, jammcq
10:33
<jammcq>
hey Gadi
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<cliebow__>
Dad!! how is it going...
10:46
<dtrask>
jammcq: Hi Dad!
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<jammcq>
hey dtrask
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<ibt>
did 'chooser' type stuff make it into the gutsy greeter?
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<monteslu>
what's the name of the python script that's used for print serving on the client?
11:56
someone on the edubuntu list is having a problem with 7.04 and it's probably the same bug that I ran accross that's in launchpad.. I just can't find it
11:57
<Gadi>
jetpipe?
11:57
<sbalneav>
jetpipe
11:57* Gadi waves to sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Hey gadi!!
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<sbalneav>
You going to show up at UDS?
11:58
<Gadi>
Thursday, God willing
11:58
<sbalneav>
Excellent.
11:58
<Gadi>
don't wear everybody out ;)
11:58
<monteslu>
yeah, jetpipe. thanks
11:59
<Guaraldo>
jammcq:
11:59
jammcq: Realtek 8110SC Onboard LAN can work on a LTSP envoriment?
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<monteslu>
yay, i was able to help someone
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: is there no longer ltsp-server-standalone in gutsy?
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<Guaraldo>
It's a gigabit lan board, jammcq... :-/
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: Should be.
12:01
Heading to lunch
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<monteslu>
sbalneav, scared me for a sec. Thought you'd steal my thunder answering that question on the list
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: How could I compile a kernel to LTSP clients?
12:23
I need some drivers on LTSP4.2 that are not present on pre-builded kernel...
12:24
<Gadi>
Guaraldo: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Build-LTSP-42#Building_the_kernel
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<Guaraldo>
Gadi: for a 2.6.16.1 kernel ???
12:27
<Gadi>
Guaraldo: same instructions
12:27
different kernel
12:27
:)
12:27
<Guaraldo>
Ok...
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<monteslu>
my ltsp-discuss email is bouncing back.
12:32
I'm not a spammer, promise
12:35
<aep>
gnn. any of you knows if one can manipulate ACPI boards to go on when they get power? it's anoying to have to switch on power on the clients and then press the soft power on button
12:35
or other way round, press the soft button 5 seconds to actually switch it off
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<Gadi>
aep: in the BIOS
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<aep>
nah. no such setting
12:41
the bios settings are extremly limited
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<richard__>
anyone on to help me troubleshoot an issue i'm having?
13:29
clients sometimes freeze and after hard reboot after login come up with black screen and cursor
13:30
<vagrantc>
go ahead and start asking questions
13:30
no need to wait
13:30
which linux distro? which ltsp version?
13:30
<richard__>
edubutnu gutsy ltsp5
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<vagrantc>
richard__: they freeze immediately after login, or after you use them for a while ?
13:32
sorry, i misread ...
13:32
richard__: you get the black screen immediately after login, after you've rebooted the thin client?
13:33* vagrantc pokes ogra
13:33
<richard__>
vagrantc, yes if hard reboot is done without loggin in
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<richard__>
oops sorry without loggin out
13:34
<vagrantc>
richard__: look for error messages in ~USER/.xsession-errors
13:35
richard__: also, try and see if there are any processes running by that user
13:37
<richard__>
what's the command again to do an updated log in cli? cat .xsession-errors | (X)
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<vagrantc>
i would just do: less .xsession-errors
13:44
<richard__>
vagrantc, http://pastebin.ca/754016
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<vagrantc>
!pastebot
13:45
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
13:45
<vagrantc>
for future reference
13:46
richard__: are there any processes running as that user ?
13:46
<richard__>
how can i tell?
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<vagrantc>
ps aux | egrep USER
13:47
<richard__>
i'm still sitting at the black screen: http://pastebin.ca/754023
13:48
<vagrantc>
richard__: your old session never stopped running, so the new one isn't starting
13:48
that's my guess
13:49
<richard__>
ok so how do i make it so the old session is picked up or is killed upon hard reboot?
13:49
<vagrantc>
richard__: rebooting the terminal won't affect processes running on the server
13:49
<richard__>
aside from restarting the server that is...
13:50
<vagrantc>
killall -u USER
13:50
<richard__>
but I normally work an hour away from this box and can not always ssh in. I want to have a life too...
13:51
<vagrantc>
well, i'm not an ubuntu user, so you might try and ask in edubuntu for more help
13:52
<richard__>
shoot.
13:52
ok thanks vagrantc
13:52
any idea when sbalneav or ogra will be on?
13:52
<vagrantc>
they're probably busy envisioning the next ubuntu release
13:52
<richard__>
well they need to fix this one first.
13:52
lol
13:53
<vagrantc>
richard__: are you in the #edubuntu channel? that might be a good place to ask more questions
13:53
<richard__>
yeah no one is there to help.
13:54
<vagrantc>
well, good luck then
13:54
though now would be a good time to make feature requests
13:54
since they are all planning the next release
13:55
richard__: maybe file some bugs at launchpad.net
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<richard__>
ok will do thx
13:56
<vagrantc>
short of figuring out why it's hanging, it's probably difficult to fix the "user session still running" problem.
13:57
<John_Titor>
wich distro do you guys recommend to use ltsp
13:57
<vagrantc>
richard__: as a workaround, you could install another window manager and have them log in with that?
13:57
!bestltspdistro
13:57
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
13:58
<richard__>
vagrantc, that's a good idea but it was like pulling teeth to show them gnome it would be almost impossible to show them another. ;)
13:58
<vagrantc>
John_Titor: i work on debian. ubuntu's pretty good. opensuse has got the beginnings of ltsp5 ...
13:58
richard__: well, they can probably navigate another window manager easier than no window manager.
13:59
don't think any other distros have ltsp5 yet.
13:59
<richard__>
lol you'd think hahah
13:59
<vagrantc>
John_Titor: the real question is: what are you comfortable with now, and what are your goals?
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<John_Titor>
i just wanna make a small ltsp .. something i can show in class as an example of what ltps does
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<richard__>
edubuntu server is probably the quickest ootb ltsp
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: howdy!
14:13
sbalneav: how goes UDS?
14:15
sbalneav: i was just thinking about the main remaining feature in SDM that's missing from LDM ... basically handling anonymous logins ... think it would be feasible to add a "guest login" button?
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<vagrantc>
i want to avoid having to tell people which username to login as when doing anonymous login, but also not require named users to do something weird... and have each default to a different server.
14:18
i guess i could spec it out
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<rcy>
vagrantc: im looking for something like that... we have a bunch of guestNN accounts for our lab here
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its quite clunky
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<vagrantc>
at freegeek, we have one server with a bunch of guest accounts, and another server with real accounts
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so it sort of protects the real accounts from anything evil done by the guest accounts
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<rcy>
vagrantc: hmm, thats not a bad idea
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<vagrantc>
it also splits the load across multiple servers
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<rcy>
i tried getting autologins working the other day with a new ltsp5 installation, but the clients just get a black screen with the X mouse cursor
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<vagrantc>
at some point i had anonymous logins working with ldm
14:35
<richard__>
vagrantc, you could just set up some 10 student accounts sudent1-student10 and then the passwords be the same/
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<vagrantc>
richard__: yeah, that's exactly what i want to avoid
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<richard__>
oh ok why is that?
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<vagrantc>
i don't want to have to: tell people usernames or passwords
14:39
currently, i have it working with LTSP + SDM... they click login, and it logs into one server with an anonymous user ... if they enter a user, it logs into a different server
14:39
but i would like to stop maintaining sdm
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<richard__>
gotcha.
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:41
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
14:41* vagrantc waves to sbalneav
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: so, you are the: Kimi Räikkönen of the LTSP world!
14:41
<sbalneav>
Yeah,
14:41
Don't know what that means, or if it means that it's working now or not :)
14:41
<jammcq>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimi_R%C3%A4ikk%C3%B6nen
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, i'm trying to spec out the one feature from SDM that LDM is missing ...
14:42
<sbalneav>
Which is?
14:42
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: currently, i have it working with LTSP + SDM... they click login, and it logs into one server with an anonymous user ... if they enter a user, it logs into a different server and asks for a password
14:43
i'm thinking a "guest login" button would maybe be a simple way to get that behavior
14:43
only if the feature is enabled, of course
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<sbalneav>
So you just want to set something that if userid is blank, ssl -l anonymous another server?
14:44
Don't need a spec for that.
14:44
We'll just add it.
14:44
It's an upstream enhancement.
14:44
:)
14:44
<vagrantc>
heh
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<dtrask>
LOL
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<Gadi>
can't just be 'anonymous', tho, can it
14:44
otherwise everyone would be in the same user account
14:44
<sbalneav>
So long as it's not enabled by default, it won't affect anything.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ogra objected to it on aesthetic reasons, and i sort of agree
14:45
<dtrask>
heaven forbid should someone name their kid "anonymous"
14:45
<sbalneav>
Well, I agree it's gross.
14:45
<vagrantc>
with SDM, i have it configured to use the hostname by default
14:45
would it be less gross to have an anonymous login button?
14:45
<sbalneav>
But if it solves a need, and it's not there on by default, I have no moral objection.
14:46
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well good :)
14:46
<sbalneav>
No, I think that would be gross. The first way's just code-gross The second way's visibly gross :)
14:46
<vagrantc>
the login with no user specified thing is kind of user-interface gross, in my opinion
14:46
<sbalneav>
Code gross is hidden to all but the most dedicated :)
14:46
<vagrantc>
it's not clear what's happening
14:46
<sbalneav>
True.
14:47
Ah.
14:47
We'll detect the lts.conf button, and only make the button appear if it's an option.
14:47
How's that?
14:47
<vagrantc>
that's what i was (attempting) to propose :)
14:47
<sbalneav>
sorry, lts.conf option.
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<sbalneav>
i.e. if LDM_ANONYMOUS_LOGIN is True, then we add a button.
14:48
Oh, I thought you were ALWAYS going to have a btton there.
14:48
If that's the case, then no, I don't object to the button :)
14:49
<vagrantc>
excellent
14:50
maybe throw in a LDM_ANONYMOUS_SERVER for good measure
14:52
or shorter ... LDM_ANON_LOGIN, LDM_ANON_SERVER ... and some way to dynamically determine the username ?
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<sbalneav>
yeah
14:53
We'll just code it up.
14:53
I don't think it needs a spec.
14:53* vagrantc sings the sbalneav rocks anthem
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<vagrantc>
with something reasonable close, if not better, than what sdm does now, then i think i can finally put that project to rest :)
14:56
lessdisks is dead! long live ltsp! http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lessdisks/news/20071028T132857Z.html
14:58* sbalneav plays taps.
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<cliebow__>
God Bless Canadians....Long may they live!...Stand beside them...and guide them..thru the night with a light from above
14:59* vagrantc gives a eulogy
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<jammcq>
err, keyboard
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<vagrantc>
much easier typed than done
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Compiling kernel 2.6.23.1 to ltsp4.2... What do you think???
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<jammcq>
cool
15:03
<cliebow__>
cool
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<Guaraldo>
May I package it to you?
15:03
<cliebow__>
to jammcq?
15:03
<Guaraldo>
Yep
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<jammcq>
Guaraldo: you gonna create a package?
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<cliebow__>
im old fashioned..tar and zip it up??
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Module to Realtek 8110SC didn't worked well on 2.6.20 ltsp kernel...
15:04
<jammcq>
hmm
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Maybe... if you whant to...
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<vagrantc>
so we still seem to be having trouble overtaking the world domination of ltsp 4.2 with our shiny new ltsp 5
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<jammcq>
well, I should take the .config from you
15:05
<cliebow__>
vagrantc:if we could get these blessed netvistas to work in 5 i'd jump on board..
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Ok... I send you the file after all tests...
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<vagrantc>
cliebow__: what's the issue with them?
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<cliebow__>
wont load a 2.6 kerne;
15:06
imstill in 4.1 with em
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<dtrask>
cliebow__: Blessed? NetVistas? in the same sentence?
15:06
<cliebow__>
actually the latest seemed to load before the client died altogether
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<Guaraldo>
but need to get sorce from realtek web site...
15:06
<cliebow__>
this is a family channel
15:07
ogra is going to fix it this weekend
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with Scottie's help
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<cliebow__>
and jammcq..and .and...and..
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Gadi: where's Gadi!!
15:07* dtrask will watch and marvel at the wondrous feats they perform
15:08* jammcq is gonna sit in the corner and drink beer
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<jammcq>
that's all
15:08
<dtrask>
cliebow__: He had to go
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15:08* dtrask no seafood in boston....saving up
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15:09* Guaraldo is going to a Algoritm and Programming class right now...
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<Guaraldo>
ops... *an
15:10* Guaraldo is studing on a graduation curse...
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<cliebow__>
curse is right 8~)
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<dtrask>
cliebow_: any idea how much the rooms are this weekend?
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<jammcq>
dtrask: $60/nite
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<cliebow__>
headin for home...
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<dan__t>
'afternoon, doods.
15:27
I added a printer per the Wiki, and the port being listened on is 9200, not 9100, which is expected when using the device as an HP Jet Direct port.
15:27
anyone ever seen that?
15:28
Even an nmap of the ltsp client doesn't show that port being open.
15:28
It does, however, show port 9200
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<sbalneav>
Which version of ltsp, and what does your lts.conf file look like?
15:29
<jammcq>
dan__t: port 9200 is something else, not a printer
15:30
<dan__t>
4.2, and it looks like it should with the addition of some printer options wihch are an exact copy of another client specification in that file which has a printer that works fine.
15:30
Let me post what I have for that client, hold on.
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<dan__t>
http://pastebin.ca/754139
15:32
I've verified that cups supports the printer pretty well
15:33
I guess first things first, get the printer configued properly on the ltsp client before proceeding.
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<ogra>
jammcq, so did scottie tell you the news ?
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<sbalneav>
ah, yeah.
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<sbalneav>
ltsp moves out of edubuntu only, and up to ubuntu proper.
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<ogra>
you wil be able to use every ubuntu alternate CD to install
15:36
:)))
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<jammcq>
ogra: AWESOME !!!!
15:37
<ogra>
:D
15:37
<jammcq>
finally, the respect we deserve :)
15:38
<richard_>
yay! when does this happen?
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<dan__t>
very cool
15:39
<ogra>
richard_, in hardy
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(8.04)
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<dan__t>
jammcq, were you able to take a look at that?
15:42
<jammcq>
a look at what?
15:42
<dan__t>
or, sorry, sbalneav, asking to post my config.
15:43
<jammcq>
dan__t: are you sure it's picking up the host entries with those fqdn's there?
15:43
try moving your PRINTER lines up to default, just to see if it makes a difference
15:46
<dan__t>
That's od.
15:46
odd.
15:47* ogra would suggest to rather use MAC adresses ... its way less error prone
15:47* jammcq likes mac addresses, cuz they never change
15:47
<jammcq>
well.... mostly never
15:47
<ogra>
yeah
15:47
unles you do weird stuff with ifconfig ;)
15:48
<dan__t>
Oh, I can use mac adresses like that
15:48
?
15:48
<jammcq>
you betcha
15:48
<dan__t>
To define a hostname in lts.conf?
15:48
<jammcq>
[00:11:22:33:44:55]
15:48
<dan__t>
Wow.
15:48
<ogra>
yeah
15:48
<dan__t>
Ok, cool.
15:48
<jammcq>
or IP addresses
15:48
but that's not as cool
15:48
<dtrask>
amen
15:48
<dan__t>
well, I've just been using hostnames simply to help me differentiate hosts from within lts.conf
15:48
<dtrask>
not as cool
15:48
<dan__t>
No, not nearly as cool.
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<vagrantc>
dan__t: you could include a host name as a comment with the mac address segment
15:49
<dan__t>
I suppose I could.
15:49
I'm going to go burn one, waiting for tihs client ot boot back up.
15:49
Just replaced the parallel cable and forced the port number for kicks.
16:03
Ok, now I see Mr. JetDirect listening.
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<dan__t>
welp. Not sure what it is.
16:15
er, was.
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I replaced the parallel cable and forced the port number, now I can see it.
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<cliebow>
HO!!!!!!!!!!
18:33
<jammcq>
hey chuckie
18:34
<cliebow>
Jim!
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