IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<iMav>
are there any performance issues with the Symbiont Mini?
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<dsmith>
hi
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<iMav>
howdy
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<dsmith>
so ltsp is like citrix but for linux
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<iMav>
pretty much.
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
hi
03:00
i have probelm
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<iMav>
howdy
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
iMav, i wanna boot from wireless card, Do you have an idea?
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<iMav>
AFAIK, wireless cards don't do PXE booting.
03:03
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
iMav, can i write a module for kernel?
03:03
<iMav>
do you have to use a wireless card, or do you just not havee wired connectivity to the server? (cuz a wired NIC using a wireless bridge should work fine)
03:05
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
iMav, no,i wanna use wireless card
03:06
iMav, can i implement PXE for wireless card?
03:07
iMav, Is it FreeCode?
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<iMav>
I don't think LTSP via wireless is viable at this time...
03:09
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
iMav, Do you know same project?
03:17
What's license of PXE protocol?
03:17
<iMav>
you could boot off a live CD (such as knoppix) which has support for your wireless card...and then "X -query <ip of your LTSP server>
03:17
it's not a true thin client setup, but would work.
03:20
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
iMav, oh, i wanna start a same project,i wanna implement it.But i don't know that same project was performed or not!
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<iMav>
has anyone used the SYM1110's? (Symbiont Mini)
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<gvy>
m_pahlevanzadeh, google for wifi pxe -- there was something but not really mature
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
gvy, ty
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<gvy>
btw there's no such thing as a "protocol license" afaik
05:43
a proto may be patent-encumbered (in loser countries that do swpats) but not licensed itself
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
mornings
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<ohmbr>
hi... i'm getting "rc.sysinit completd, switching to multi-session mode" and after that nothing happends... what can be?
06:34
I did remove a inittab file, but i have recreated ... i dont know if is write...
06:34
can be that?
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<jammcq>
ohmbr: sounds like LTSP-4.2, and you don't have a 'SCREEN_01 = startx' in your lts.conf file
06:35
oh
06:35
and you shou'dn't have removed that inittab file. it was supposed to have been a symlink, not a real file
06:35
that's more likely the problem in your case
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yeah, that's prolly it
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<ohmbr>
humm... is thare a way to recreate that link?
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<jammcq>
sure
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remove the file
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then, do: ln -s /tmp/inittab inittab
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while you are in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc directory
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<ohmbr>
jammcq: yep!!! that is it!!! its wotrking now!!
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thanks a lot!!!!
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<jammcq>
:)
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<scane>
Hi. I have a very old notebook (ibm thinkpad 600E) and a pcmcia networking card. Is there any chance I can make a thinclient boot cd with such a networking card?
07:13
I want to use it as a thinclient and pxe boot from an edubuntu server directly connected to the card through a lan cable
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<joebaker>
scane: I don't think pcmcia cards work. You could boot a live CD, then start X like
07:14
this... X :7 -query ltspserver_IP
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<scane>
sounds good
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<joebaker>
My answer is quit old however. Things may have changed. PXEBoot requires some integration between the laptop manufacturer and the nic.
07:15
There's a space after the X
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<scane>
I have already running xubuntu on the laptop
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<joebaker>
excellent!
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<scane>
so i would close the running local session and start a new one like you said
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<joebaker>
NoMachine is a cool way to connect to your ltsp server also. Persistent sessions, low bandwidth. I've got to leave for work now... Cheers!
07:17
No
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I'd fall back to CTRL-ALT-F1
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<joebaker>
then type it there... replace 7 with 8
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Bye...
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<scane>
ok thank you i will do further inverstigations starting with your information
07:18
Bye
07:18
cool
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<joebaker>
scane: I'm back... at work now.
07:40
scane: there is also a program called xnest to investigate.
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<Blinny>
My 1225e is doing weird things today. It's dropping the network connection for about 1 second every 30 seconds or so.
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I would suspect slight power issues, but the monitor/keyboard stuff isn't affected. It happened while typing the last sentence, and every character I typed during that short lock surged in after the connection came back.
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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<ogra>
hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
ogra: when are you arriving/departing Portland ?
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<ogra>
sat 20:14
08:31
departing on wed 8:30
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<jammcq>
hmm
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ogra: we're arriving around noon on sunday
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and hanging around until about noon on friday
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<sbalneav_>
Morning all
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<ogra>
!sw
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<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "sw" is not a valid command.
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<ogra>
bah
09:07
!s
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav_>
hehe
09:08
How are you, ogra?
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<ogra>
fighting with broken liveCds
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<sbalneav_>
Oh no!
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Bummer
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<ogra>
yeah
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i didnt test enough yesterday
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i dont think anyone did amd64 tests this time either
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and we have a weird bug where the livefs fills scripts with binary rubbish etc
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so they dont finish booting
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<sbalneav_>
eurgh
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<ogra>
yeah
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something changed in the loopdevice handling in intramfs
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i'm trying to fix that ... but indeed that needs a CD rebuild after every small change
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very time consuming
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<whiprush>
sbalneav_: jammcq: hey, you guys wanna hang out with some GNOME people in portland?
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<scane>
joebaker, are you still around?
09:24
<sbalneav_>
whiprush:unfortunately, I won't be in Portland
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<scane>
xnest looks amazing.
09:24
<ogra>
whiprush, are there gnome ppl as well ?
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<whiprush>
sbalneav_: dude what? that was like half the reason I was going
09:24
ogra: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/PDXMeetup2007
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pass it around!
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<ogra>
i thought they are all stuck at guadec
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(with no power and spare network :) )
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<sbalneav_>
My wife's having trouble at work, so I need to be home to help her.
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<ogra>
whiprush, heh, the usual suspects
09:25
<whiprush>
ogra: plenty of people are coming right from birmingham.
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<ogra>
i wont be there at sat (arriving after 8pm)
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<whiprush>
heh.
09:25
yeah that's why we have 2 parties.
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<ogra>
but i'll see if i can make tuesday
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<whiprush>
ogra: it's open invite, so feel free to invite whoever
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<ogra>
even tuesday is the last evening for most canonical employees, the company might have planned something
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<whiprush>
we'll figure something out
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<rjune>
ogra: Canonical closing?
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<ogra>
??
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<rjune>
even tuesday is the last evening for most canonical employees, the company might have planned something
09:44
just seeing that makes it sound like canonical is folding. but that would be odd
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<whiprush>
he means last day of ubuntulive
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<ogra>
rjune, we just rented http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millbank_Tower and the company grew by 100% over the last 8 months
09:47
unlikely that we'll close during te next years :)
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<rjune>
well, seeing as your funded by an eccentric millionaire
09:50
wait, the company rented the entire tower?
09:50
<ogra>
nah
09:50
one floor for the start ;)
09:50
we still all work from home ...
09:50
<rjune>
also, who do I file a bug report on the vmware package in the commercial aps repo?
09:50
<ogra>
thats mainly admin people sitting there
09:51
rjune, not sure where bugs for that go, but i heard that fabbione will be caring for that repo now
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<rjune>
the vmware package is flaky
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<ogra>
we had a bunch of vmware people at the sprint last week ...
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but i'm not involved there s i have no clue what they were there for ...
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but we're partnering very tightly with vmware, intel and dell ... one would think that things should be smooth :)
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<sbalneav_>
ogra: What's german for beautiful?
10:01
ah schon
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<rjune>
the o is umlaut
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<scane>
joebaker, thanks a lot for hinting me to xnest - that's would be the way to go for me
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<joebaker>
scane... How does your command line look for Xnest?
11:15
You're very welcome scane.
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<scane>
:-) i will have to install a new server first that will take a while. No idea yet about the command line
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<scane>
But I thought I'd run xnest on the server
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<joebaker>
scane: Do you run Openvz?
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I saw you're logged into that channel. Is that like vmware?
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<scane>
joebaker, I am using 2 virtual servers
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from hosters, and they use virtuozzo
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<joebaker>
I see.
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<scane>
All the guests and the host share the same kernel and they say they have only 1 per cent overhead
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<mistik1>
scane: When done with Xnest, if you need and even better sandbox environment for text x apps try Xephyr
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<scane>
but of course only linux
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<mistik1>
Its the replacement for Xnest but it supports all the latest X extensions like Damage, Xrandr, Composite etc, etc
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<scane>
mistik1, I already stumbled over xephyr recently and I will certainly try both and compare whcih one is faster for my setup
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<mistik1>
And that is even if your host display dont support them
11:21
;)
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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<meduxa>
hi all, I just wrote an e-mail about ltsp-es that I would want yo to answer to if you have time...thanks
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<indradg>
sbalneav, hi
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<sbalneav_>
indradg: hello
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<indradg>
sbalneav, as suspected, my trouble with local CD-ROM support on 4.2, was due to it being turned off from the BIOS
11:45
:P
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<sbalneav_>
meduxa: Having support for more languages is a fine idea, did you copy jammcq on the email? I suspect if you're willing to do the work, he'll be happy to let you run with it.
11:46
indradg: Well, good. Easy fix.
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<indradg>
sbalneav, is the ltspwebcam package available for 4.2 ?
11:47
<sbalneav_>
No idea. I didn't have anything to do with it.
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<meduxa>
first I have to say this idea on the old ltsp-es list to see if people want to swich and collaborate
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<indradg>
sbalneav, ok
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<meduxa>
if I can convice 3 or 4 people, wewill go for it beginning with 1 wiki page and open a mailing list under ltsp domain
11:49
in spanish
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<MrChicken>
Hello
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I have two Dell Optiplex GX50
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but one of them is able to boot ltsp and the other one isnt
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the latter loads vmlinuz and initrd and dies there
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what can be happening?
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ideas?
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suggestions?
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flames>
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?
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<MrChicken>
hrmmm
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<jammcq>
MrChicken: what version of ltsp ?
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<MrChicken>
5
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<jammcq>
hmm
15:07
try setting SCREEN_07 = shell
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and see what happens
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<MrChicken>
just checked the log
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it says tfp: client does not support options
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<jammcq>
that's not a problem
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just part of the tftp negotiation
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<MrChicken>
o so screen_07?
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<jammcq>
SCREEN_07
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<MrChicken>
SCREEN_07=shell
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and I have a great big amount of nothing happening
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(same error)
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<jammcq>
how much ram in the client?
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<MrChicken>
it was 256 a min ago
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just replaced it with 128 2 see what happened
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<jammcq>
maybe it's just a good ole fashioned hardware problem
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<joebaker>
http://netjack.sourceforge.net/ Somebody just showed me this link. Network audio using Jackd.
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Looks like it needs to be a _VERY_ good network connection though.
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otherwise stability issues ensue.
15:26
If I read that page right.
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<Q-FUNK>
what could possibly make LDM fail to launch?
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I see X start and the X appear, but LDM fails to load.
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<lmveloso>
ogra, ping!
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<RyanRyan52>
I'm trying to set it up and it says: "No up Ethernet interfaces detected!" How do I fix it?
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<shale_>
ok got sound working in rdesktop
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if anyone wants to verify/test our ltsp5/rdesktop setup, it'd be appreciated!
18:14
http://akgeeks.net/ltsp-w2k3
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<akSeya>
hi there!!
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does anyone here already tried to install LTSP 5 on SLackware?
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<petre>
evening all
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<edgarin>
Hi
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hi jammcq
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jammcq, how are you?
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<jammcq>
hey
21:20
how's it going?
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<edgarin>
fine thanks! and you?
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<jammcq>
doing great as usual
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<edgarin>
cool!
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jammcq, I'm working in projects for the mayan people with laboratories with ltsp and the translation of several free software to mayan languages :D!
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<jammcq>
wow, sounds cool
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<edgarin>
jammcq, yes but in this moment I have several problems because in Guatemala I don't have a support for this projects :(
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<youngun>
hey y'all
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<iMav>
howdy
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<youngun>
I need some help if you don't care
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<iMav>
what's up?
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<youngun>
well i don't know if it is firefox or esd or what but hopefully we can find out
22:53
i have ubuntu 7.04 with ltsp 5.0
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all the clients play system sounds but will not play out of browsers i do have the flash non-free installed
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i have a very generic lts.conf file sound=y localdev=y so on
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and with the distro the clients can not choose to use kde in hopes i could rebuild arts
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so my question is
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is it ubuntu the distro
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the new ltsp
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flash
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or firefox
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<iMav>
32-bit?
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<youngun>
64
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I have tried both
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they do the same thing
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<iMav>
clients are 64-bit as well or just the server?
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<youngun>
server
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the clients are 32
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i have two laptos and 2 p4
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<iMav>
if you launch browser from the command line, do you see any reoccuring errors when you try and play sound?
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<youngun>
hmm hold on
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do you know how to push windows through if the ltsp server is dishing out addys
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my wife is gung ho bout windows but i have to run her a speacial line to the router
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<iMav>
This thread seems quite applicable to you. http://www.nabble.com/No-Sound-with-Flash-in-Firefox-t4069915.html
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specifically, "The difference is they aren't using thin clients. Until recently flash
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didn't work with sound on thin clients, period. Only the most recent flash
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plugin with extra pulseaudio support added by the revolutionlinux guys
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solved this.
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http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio "
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<youngun>
ok i am trying to build it right now
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thank you
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<youngun>
it worked thank you so very much
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<iMav>
no problem
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<youngun>
one last question
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<iMav>
shoot
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<youngun>
how do i push a windows box through a linux dhcpd sever?
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when my wife uses windows it says the network has limited to no connectivity
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and won't access the net
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<iMav>
The LTSP server is between your windows box and the internet connection?
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<youngun>
yes
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well no
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i have a wireless router
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i have to run her a seacial chord all the way across the house for her windows but i have a switch right next to it for linux
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<iMav>
does the windows system pull an IP from the LTSP[/DHCP] server?
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<youngun>
yes
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192.168.0.200
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<iMav>
if the windows box can connect to the router directions, as long as it has the appropriate default route and working DNS, it should be f ine.
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uhhh "directly"
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<youngun>
right route and dns
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i have to configure the card in other words
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<iMav>
do you have two NIC's in your LTSP server?
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<youngun>
yes
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one to connect to the router and one to the clients
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i would like to get rid of the router though
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<iMav>
so, isn't the windows system pulling an IP from the router?
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ahh, I see what you are saying.
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<youngun>
it is
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right now but i would like to pull from linux
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i have to run a speacila line to the router
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<iMav>
why can't she connect wirelessly to the router?
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personally, unless there is a compelling reason to ditch the router, my preference would be to keep the router and not make the LTSP server your edge device.
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<youngun>
k
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the dignal at the back of the house is too low for internet
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too much junk
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i will try to run it out side the house lmao
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<iMav>
:)
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<youngun>
I do greatly appreaciate all of your help
23:50
<iMav>
no problem
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<youngun>
gud night
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