IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 April 2013   (all times are UTC)

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06:32
<alkisg>
vagrantc: do you think we should put the package descriptions for ltsp components somewhere in the source, so that they're translated in launchpad?
06:32
Along with the rest of ltsp, and then debian, gentoo, fedora etc can use them as they like?
06:32
I'll do that for epoptes...
06:33
If so, it might be a good chance to review them, so as they're up to date (e.g. some only mention "thin" clients) and somewhat distro-agnostic..
06:38
<vagrantc>
network clients?
06:45
<alkisg>
Description-en: Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin clients
06:45
==>
06:45
Description-en: Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP clients
06:46
ltsp-client-core: "DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only"
06:46
==> maybe the warning needs to tone down a bit, now with ltsp-pnp etc...
06:47
Or we can postpone all that for the new ltsp6 packages...
06:47
:)
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07:02
<vagrantc>
yes, the warning on that should go away now.
07:03
although i still left the udev rules for sound in there... *sigh*
07:03
think they're fixed upstream.
07:03* vagrantc waves
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07:07
<dievel>
Good Morning everybody. I have a question. Edubuntu+LTSP. The thin client use the gnome-session. Sometime, the Application menu or the gear menu (right side of the top menubar) display a little gray empty square instead of the menu entries. Never seen this before?
07:09
Could it be related to the Profile Manager? Because before implementing that I didn't see the problem.
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<highvoltage>
dievel: did those user change their icon theme perhaps? some icon themes are incomplete and don't have that icon
07:25
dievel: or did the same user perhaps log in twice on different machines? logging in twice breaks some things, usually gnome-settings-daemon as well which would make you lose icon settings and theming
07:27
<dievel>
highvoltage: as far as I can see the theme is always the default and they don't log twice. It happen randomly even in my test machine/client.
07:30
More than this I can say that if I leave the mouse pointer on the menu for some time, the menu finally appear. But being so random I need to test better.
07:36
<highvoltage>
dievel: ok
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10:06
<dievel>
I confirm the/my problem. The top right gear menu (and sometime also the Application menu), does not open immediately. It show a gray empty square. If you leave the mouse resting on the menu for more or less 10 seconds, the menu appear. This happen only the first time you try to open the menu. Once opened it works fine. Anybody noticed before? I have this behavior on test and production server. I bet I should tune lts.conf but no clue in wh
10:06
ich direction to go.
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12:36
<vnc786>
i want to make libreoffice profile folder common for all on fat clients has one did this refernce-https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile
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12:43
<epoptes_user8>
Hey
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<Hyperbyte>
Hi!
12:44
vnc786, do you see any reason why this might not work with LTSP?
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<vnc786>
since image is read only so wondering how do i do ?
12:56
Hyperbyte: just wondering from where to start
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<vnc786>
how can i make common folder for libreoffice (profile folder ) so that all fat clients can use that one..
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<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, /opt/ltsp/i386/ contains the client image. You can edit everything there, then run ltsp-update-image
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13:42
<vnc786>
Hyperbyte: thanks for that i know which file i should modify in chroot but the question is how can i make it centrally available like i have to share it via samba
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
Just like you would in any other Linux installation.
13:45
<vnc786>
okay i will make changes in chroot and will provide chroot path (/opt/libreoffice) will let u know if i success...thanks
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<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, /opt/ltsp/i386/opt/libreoffice you mean probably?
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20:03
<lykwydchykyn>
Hello; I have an ltsp setup on Ubuntu 12.04. Is there a command I can use to restart LDM on a client if I'm ssh'd in to the client?
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20:05
<alkisg>
lykwydchykyn: pkill ldm ?
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20:06
<lykwydchykyn>
alkisg: Actually ldm is already killed; it's not respawing, so I should properly ask what command will *start* ldm.
20:06
<alkisg>
The screen script is supposed to restart ldm after it dies
20:06
So it's weird that it doesn't respawn...
20:07
try: start ltsp-client-core
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Or `restart ltsp-client-core`
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20:08
<lykwydchykyn>
alkisg: that seems to have done it, I think
20:08
Thanks!
20:08
<alkisg>
np
20:09
<lykwydchykyn>
Now I just wish I knew why it was crashing in the first place
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20:09
<alkisg>
lykwydchykyn: it always crashes, or it just crashed once?
20:10
Check /var/log/ldm.log on the client
20:11
<lykwydchykyn>
There's no ldm.log on the client
20:11
This is weird, but it crashes randomly when special characters are typed into an input field in a web page
20:11
<alkisg>
(11:09:51 μμ) alkisg: lykwydchykyn: it always crashes, or it just crashed once?
20:11
:)
20:12
<lykwydchykyn>
I had this problem on 10.04, upgrading on my test server fixed it; upgrading in production didn't, apparently
20:17
alkisg: if you're curious, and bored, the whole saga is detailed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2103221&highlight=ltsp
20:19
<alkisg>
Yeah sounds like a xorg input problem
20:19
The nbd message is normal and unrelated
20:21
<lykwydchykyn>
I've been hunting this bug for like, 2 years
20:22
Finally managed to discover the procedure for reproducing it two months ago
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<alkisg>
Check /var/log/Xorg.7.log.old after crashes
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And dmesg
20:25
Also the output of `setxkbmap -print` on the server and on the client might be useful...
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<lykwydchykyn>
I'll add that to the forum post, but it doesn't immediately convey anything significant to me
20:33
Not sure how to get "setxkbmap -print" to run on the client, it needs DISPLAY set apparently, and I'm not sure what ldm sets that too
20:34
Looks like evdev just unloads for no particular reason
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20:36
<gbaman>
ok, i am back, finally got debian working (nvidia driver bugs). For debian can I used the greek schools ppa ubuntu part for most up to date versions of ltsp?
20:37
or is there a special place to get debian versions?
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<vagrantc>
de...
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21:03
<vaab>
HI everybody !
21:04
I'm looking for a way to connect to my LTSP Server as a LTSP workstation would. I'm on an Ubuntu computer right now... what options have I ?
21:05
something that would give a rough functional equivalent of a Xnest or a rdesktop...
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<vaab>
I have full access to the LTSP server.
21:13
<alkisg>
Google for x2go
21:17
<vaab>
More context: I really need to use the same way than LTSP workstation uses as I want to debug LTSP session opening... I'm not in the same places than the workstations at the moment (200 miles away).
21:18
I can log in with nxclient, but this isn't enough to reproduce the bug I'm chasing. (it's some sort of an environment bug that occurs on LTSP sessions and not on nxclient session, and it's hitting IBUS input method.
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<alkisg>
!kvm
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<ltsp>
kvm: To boot a fake thin client with kvm: kvm -ctrl-grab -net nic -net user,tftp=/var/lib/tftpboot,bootfile=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
21:19
<alkisg>
Or vbox on the server, or whatever other method for virtual machines
21:19
Or if you have a client open, you can just vnc to it
21:19
<vaab>
okay, that's a neat idea. Didn't though of that.
21:20
alkisg: my problem is that I have to open and close the session (so I loose the VNC connection), and furthermore, all LTSP workstations are shutdown at the moment.
21:21
but the KVM or virtualbox might be the way for me... I've virtualbox running on the same server.
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<alkisg>
For example, with epoptes you could have the client VNC to you, but if they're closed you obviously can't :)
21:22
gbaman, if you see the logs: no, don't use Ubuntu PPAs on Debian unless they specifically mention that they've taken care of version mismatches etc. The Greek schools PPA is for Ubuntu 12.04 only.
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<vagrantc_>
the debian versions are reasonably current
21:24
in wheezy, that is
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i'll make backports of newer versions once wheezy releses... (real soon now...)
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<vaab>
ok virtualbox made it... Thanks a lot for your help alkisg and ltsp !
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22:32
<gbaman>
vagrantc, noticed you replyed to my qestion after i left, what were you going to say?
22:32
<vagrantc>
gbaman: the versions in debian should be fine
22:32
debian wheezy
22:33
<gbaman>
just noticed my question was answered in the logs :)
22:34
i am on squeeze
22:34
sigh
22:38
upgrading though only involes changing sources list and updating everything from there, dousnt it?
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<vagrantc>
there's not much point is squeeze right now
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<gbaman>
well i might have just installed the server with squeeze, is it worth just reinstalling?
22:41
not much on it, just a fix for a framebuffer issue on the old mac mini
22:45
<vagrantc>
you're using a mac mini server?
22:46
<gbaman>
yip
22:46
have been this whole time
22:47
an old mac mini
22:47
<vagrantc>
is it x86 based, or powerpc?
22:47
<gbaman>
x86
22:47
not that old :)
22:47* vagrantc breathes a sigh of relief
22:48
<gbaman>
:)
22:48
it is the same machine that the edubuntu install is on
22:48
(had fun trying to figure out how to get grub to recognise the second os)
22:48
<vagrantc>
you could either reinstall with wheezy, or upgrade to wheezy, either should work fine
22:49
<gbaman>
will the kernel be upgraded?
22:49
for an upgrade
22:49
<vagrantc>
yes
22:50
<gbaman>
ok, i patched it with the nvidia driver, might as well just reinstall it, reinstall always works better
22:50
dont have anything other that on it
22:51
this will be my 5th attempt at getting debian right :)
22:52
anyways, thanks, will do that tomorrow then try and follow your guide
22:52
<vaab>
I'm looking for information about where to put environment variables for LTSP (an equivalent to xinit.rc or .xprofile...) can somebody give me an hint ?
22:55* gbaman reminds vagrantc to write his licence thing for his guide so gbaman can go clean it up "from a new to linux teacher"
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<vaab>
This might be a silly question: does the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* scripts from the LTSP SERVER get executed when a workstation is launched ?
23:17
<vagrantc_>
when you log into the server from a thin client
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<vaab>
I've got issues with IBUS that relies on some environment variables to be set. These are set thanks to /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/* that seems to be triggered through /etc/X11/Xsession mecanism on the LTSP SERVER... I was wondering if I had to install something on the /opt/ltsp/i386 image (especially in the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11... directory).
23:21
<vagrantc>
are you using thin clients or fat clients?
23:22
<vaab>
obviously my quick test seems to confirm that Xsession files from the server are not executed on the LTSP workstation (which might be normal, but in this case, this invalidates the IBUS installation procedure for LTSP)
23:22
I'm on thin clients
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<vagrantc>
yes, Xsession definitely runs on the server for thin clients
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<vaab>
well, I added a simple 'echo "Ran" >> /tmp/ksento.ping.log' at the beginning of the '/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch' file, and I can re log in as many times as I wish, no /tmp/ksento.ping.log gets created.
23:27
<vagrantc>
so the server's xinput.d files are causing you problems on when logging in from a thin client?
23:27
<vaab>
if I log in with nxclient, the file gets created.
23:28
So my method seems a good way to prove that /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-script script from the LTSP server is not beiing executed when login in from an LTSP workstation.
23:30
I must add that I've tried to add a similar line in "80_ltsp-sound" script also, and that it isnt ran either.
23:30
<vagrantc>
from an LTSP thin client?
23:31
<vaab>
Yep: LTSP server's files /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* are not executed when login in from an LTSP thin client.
23:31
but they are (as you would naturally expect) when login in thank to nxclient for example.
23:31
<vagrantc>
have you specified LDM_XSESSION in lts.conf?
23:31
normally, it's a bad idea to mess with thta.
23:32
<vaab>
I have:
23:32
LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
23:32
<vagrantc>
there's a lot of bad instructions on the internet that suggest to use LDM_XSESSION, but they abuse it.
23:32
really, people should be using LDM_SESSION to select the session.
23:32
vaab: that's your problem. you've told it not to use /etc/X11/Xsession
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<vaab>
ok, but I tried:
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LDM_SESSION="ubuntu-2d"
23:33
and this didn't worked at all
23:34
that was my first try... I had to resolve to use LDM_XSESSION because LDM_SESSION didn't work for me.
23:34
<vagrantc>
well, that's going to cause you problems, figure out how to get it to work with LDM_SESSION if you really need that.
23:35
you may need a newer version of ldm and/or ltsp in order to work properly
23:36
<vaab>
I can't remember exactly what didn't work (probably it just didn't select the correct session).
23:36
<vagrantc>
LDM_XSESSION is only supposed to be used for something to replace the entire functionality of /etc/X11/Xsession.
23:36
there were bugs in LDM_SESSION that later got fixed
23:37
<vaab>
okay, are there ppa or something similar to get some official good version of LTSP for 12.04 ?
23:37
<vagrantc>
vaab: that said, you might be able to write a wrapper around Xsession which hard-codes "gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
23:37
!ppa
23:37
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'ppa', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sbalneav-ppa', 'greek-schools-ppa'
23:37
<vagrantc>
!greek-schools-ppa
23:37
<ltsp>
greek-schools-ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
23:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg supports that
23:40
<vaab>
ok thanks, perfect. I'll use them surely. But at this moment, I'm not in a position to tinker things that much as I'm not located next to the real workstations right now. And I guess I'll need to check that they all boot correctly and support any session changes (especially issues with graphic drivers and session not beiing correctly forced to 2d modes)...
23:41
Do you see a quick and temporary way to set some variables in the X session of the ltsp-thin client ? I was thinking about /etc/X11/Xsession of the thin client... is that valid ?
23:41
I mean in the ltsp-image of course
23:42
<vagrantc>
the thing i was thinking about was dropping a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ that overrides the default setting.
23:43
<vaab>
on the ltsp-image ?
23:44
<vagrantc>
no on the server.
23:44
you could force the session type server-side by messing with the server's /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and adding a little hook.
23:45
you'd need to mangle the STARTUP var a bit.
23:45
anyways, gotta run... good luck.
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<vaab>
ok, thanks
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