IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 April 2011   (all times are UTC)

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03:57
<andygraybeal>
morrninging
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05:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
goooood morning
05:08
<mgariepy>
good morning _UsUrPeR_
05:09
how do you do ?
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05:22
<andygraybeal>
:)
05:22
i need help configuring my system to to be an ldap client; how do i go abuot doing this? is there documentation?
05:22
i'm reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
05:23
it says for the client, that i should install libnss-ldap and reconfigure ldap-auth-config; then run pam-auth-update
05:24
is this how everyone is doing this?
05:24
i feel so left out.
05:25
<mgariepy>
andygraybeal, you need to configure the ltsp server to authenticate on ldap
05:26
<andygraybeal>
is there any documentation to do this?
05:26
i'm fully clueless
05:26
<muppis>
I did it with this http://www.opinsys.fi/en/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
05:26
<andygraybeal>
okay thank you
05:26
<evil_root>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster_NAT_OpenLDAP
05:26
andygraybeal scroll down to Let ltsp-appserv01 use OpenLDAP server
05:26
<andygraybeal>
evil_root, that document is so confusing
05:27
evil_root, aah okay thank you
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05:27
<evil_root>
do you already have a running ldap server andygraybeal
05:27
<andygraybeal>
yes, ldap server is running; it has groups and users
05:27
i'm so confused about PAM and home folders and things
05:28
<evil_root>
ok yea then run the like 5 commands in the section Let ltsp-appserv01 use OpenLDAP server
05:28
<andygraybeal>
okay thank you, i will read
05:28
<evil_root>
np
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05:28
<evil_root>
oh and dont forget /etc/init.d/nscd restart after your done
05:29
<andygraybeal>
evil, okay
05:29
how do home folders get configured?
05:30
i'm sorry my brain is so dense and dull with all of this
05:30
<evil_root>
depends where you are storing the users home folders
05:30
<andygraybeal>
okay
05:30
i do see the 'automatic' home folder creation
05:30
right before the nscd restart
05:31
i'm so scared to do this.
05:31
evil_root and muppis thank you
05:31
<evil_root>
are you storing the home folders on the server the clients are authentication to, or are they on a separate nfs server
05:32
<andygraybeal>
i would like to have them on a seperate NFS server, i'm still trying to get the NFS server to auth with LDAP .... so i'm getting ahead of myself
05:32
but i think for the most part you hashed out the problem with LTSP and LDAP for me
05:32
<evil_root>
ok, if you need help with the nfs let me know, clustering is much fun :)
05:33
<andygraybeal>
oh i would love to cluster
05:33
and use nfs thank you for the offer.
05:34
on the opinsys.fi article, it says to also install libmap-ldapd along with libnss-ldapd ... this is the first time i've seen this mentioned when reading how to configure ubuntu to connect to ldap server
05:35
<evil_root>
are you sure they didn't mean libpam-ldapd? or can i get a link to the article?
05:38
<andygraybeal>
ah pam
05:38
i'm on drugs.. caffiene
05:38
your right and link is...
05:38
http://www.opinsys.fi/en/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2
05:39
i type crap like that backwards too often
05:40
<evil_root>
lol its ok i am ok pot, and none of my servers or clients have libpam-ldapd installed but they do have libpam-ldap installed
05:40* evil_root is reading that article now
05:41
<evil_root>
and i am not sure what the difference is between libpam-ldapd and libpam-ldap
05:42
<andygraybeal>
yea, i'm not going to read into it too much - i'm gonna stick with the url you gave me; i've read that one before.. i just couldn't seperate it out enough to make senes
05:42
*senes
05:42
sense
05:43
<evil_root>
ok cool
05:43
<andygraybeal>
thanks again
05:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
mgariepy: sorry. was away. I am doing well thanks
05:49
<mgariepy>
_UsUrPeR_, no problem :) I don't usually expect to have an answer right away on irc ;)
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08:01
<sidartha>
does anyone know how to execute a command from the server to a thin client machine? I want to set up a script to have firefox launch after specific times
08:01
<alkisg>
Launch firefox on the logged on user account?
08:01
That then runs on the server, not on the client
08:03
<sidartha>
no I have it set up to run as a local app. I want to launch "ltsp-localapps firefox -url somewbsite.org"
08:06
basically I am already doing this thru italc. But I want to set it up as a cronjob on the server.
08:07
<alkisg>
sidartha: you can set up a cron job on the server that sees the logged on users, finds out their DISPLAYs and XAUTHORITYies from /proc/xx/environ, and then executes ltsp-localapps for them.
08:08
You don't need to execute stuff on the thin client, let ltsp-localapps to do that, so that it's part of their session
08:12
<sidartha>
I dont know how to do that. Do you know any links that might point me in the right direction?
08:16
<alkisg>
No, I don't know of any links specifically for that script. It's just shell scripting though, so any tutorials should do.
08:17
If you don't manage to do it, ping me later on, I might find some time to make you a basic script for that
08:17
<sidartha>
thanks.
08:21
<andygraybeal>
sidartha, i can't help, but i wonder why are you doing this? what is the purpose. i'm interested.
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08:44
<ska>
Is it possible to get a vnc session to a terminial w/o having vnc server on the terminal? Can I connect to the X sesssion directly to the server?
08:53
<alkisg>
ska: you can set $DISPLAY and $XAUTHORITY and then run vnc-server yourself, or a screen capturing utility. But that doesn't sound easier than running a vnc server on the user session :)
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09:13
<alkisg>
sidartha: try this "ltspexec" script, it supposedly executes a command on all connected ltsp users: http://pastebin.com/edzwTFjz
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09:15
<ska>
alkisg: I have to drive 100 miles to install the images on the user clients :(
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09:17
<ska>
alkisg: would I need to re-start the client-user sessions in order to do it?
09:21
<alkisg>
ska: what images? if you have remote access to execute commands on them, why drive?
09:21
It depends on how you run the vnc server or whatever else
09:21
Maybe describing your situation in more detail will help
09:23
<ska>
ok.. thanks.
09:24
alkisg: I'm not running ltsp though.. Im doing XDM using thinstation.
09:24
<alkisg>
ok
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09:24
<ska>
I came here since ltsp is similar and there are many users.
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10:05
<andygraybeal>
evil_root, or anyone, i want to re-set up my ltsp server and this time put home directories on an NFS share, how does this work? does it get defined in LDAP?
10:06
<evil_root>
your user home directory location is determined by ldap, but you can either directly connect your client to the nfs server or connect your ltsp server to the nfs server
10:07
like the system veriable for the user's home directory it gets from ldap, but the actual nfs connection is either done on the client or on the ltsp sever, if that makes better sense
10:08
<andygraybeal>
okay so on the ltsp server's fstab, i would just have it mount an nfs share, correct? and this would be regardless if anyone was logged in at all.
10:08
<evil_root>
if you using thin clients, yes andygraybeal
10:09
<andygraybeal>
k, i'm using thin clients
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<dan_l>
alkisg: A week ago you suggested I use local homes and users to avoid problems with syncing and cleanup. Can you advise me how to do this?
11:23
alkisg: this is in reference to the project I discussed in http://pastebin.com/S8iwZdpv
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<alkisg>
dan_l: so to sum up, you're using a local firefox and you want to have a clear /home on each login?
11:40
<dan_l>
that's correct
11:40
<alkisg>
And the users authenticate with ldm? Or they login without it and authenticate later with a card or something?
11:41
Ah you mention an xdialog prompt. That suggests you're not using ldm
11:42
<dan_l>
the users are authenticated against a separate db. The workstation is autlogged and the user is then requested to authenticate with a pin
11:42
we are using ldm
11:42
<alkisg>
The users don't see ldm. Right?
11:42
<dan_l>
They don't see ldm
11:43
<alkisg>
OK. So you have something like a kiosk setup, but with an xdialog before launching firefox
11:43
<dan_l>
yes
11:46
<alkisg>
A local home would impose some restrictions. E.g. if the user saved a 1 GB file from firefox, it would waste the local RAM
11:46
You could use nbd-client to mount a /home exported from the server with nbd-server -c (cow) though
11:46
<dan_l>
right - that would not work for us. Workstatiosn have only 1G
11:47
<alkisg>
This way anything saved to the /home on the client would go to a temporary file on the server
11:47
And it's even automatically cleaned if the connection is broken
11:47
<dan_l>
that sounds good
11:47
some docs?
11:47
<alkisg>
And it can be used by multiple users without problems, as it's a block export
11:47
man nbd-server?
11:48
<dan_l>
I'll get to work - thanks
11:48
are there any known problems with gvfs
11:48
<alkisg>
nbd-server is a block device, so usually programs do not even "see" that it's a network device
11:48
<dan_l>
my rsync scripts fail because of permission changes that occur with .gvfs
11:49
<alkisg>
You don't even need rsync as any changes get discarded when the connection breaks
11:49
You just need a screen.d script instead of ldm
11:50
That unmounts /home, if already mounted, remounts it via nbd-client, and presents the xdialog to the user
11:50
No rsync or cleaning involved
11:50
And no ram wasted
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11:50
<dan_l>
that sounds great - is there an example screen.d script around?
11:51
<alkisg>
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/
11:53
<dan_l>
ok - I've got enough to play with now - many thanks alkisg
11:53
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<alkisg>
sidartha: you're welcome
12:32
sidartha: don't forget that it's outside the user "session" though, no access to dbus etc
12:32
You'd need to set more env vars for that
12:32
<dan_l>
alkisg: using the nbd mount method you described could a user still mount and write to a usb key?
12:33
<alkisg>
dan_l: the way you describe it, I'd start from the kiosk plugin
12:33
The kiosk plugin works like fat clients, so USB sticks are local devices easily mounted
12:33
<dan_l>
thanks
12:33
<alkisg>
No localdev, localapps or any other ltsp magic involved
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<roasted_>
Tomorrow I am moving my server from fat client to thin client. Would it be wise to build a new image (I figured I'd rename i386 and retain it and just rebuild a new thin image) or would it make more sense to add LTSP_FATCLIENT=false in LTS.conf?
20:24
If for some reason it would make sense torebuild an image, I can do it. I just wasnt sure if using LTSP_FATCLIENT=false was as efficient or if there was any issue with doing that.
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<Test__>
hu
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<alkisg>
dan_l: there's a problem with the nbd-server /home approach that I didn't think of yesterday, though. It's security: in this case /home would be unencrypted and over the network. So I don't think it's a good idea for a public library anymore.
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(unless it's somehow tunneled via ssh)
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