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Channel log from 14 August 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<generalsnus>
My linux users authenticate against AD, and i was trying to use pam_group.so so users that logs on would be a member of the local groups floppy/audio/fuse/plugdev. but it dosent seem to work, issuing the cmd "id" with a user only shows he is a member of the group "domain^user" anyone else tried this?
02:17
My linux users authenticate against AD, and i was trying to use pam_group.so so users that logs on would be a member of the local groups floppy/audio/fuse/plugdev. but it dosent seem to work, issuing the cmd "id" with a user only shows he is a member of the group "domain^user" anyone else tried this?
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<johnny>
generalsnus, you might wanna try back with that question at another time period
02:25
generalsnus, you might wanna try back with that question at another time period
02:25
not many folks about at this hour
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not many folks about at this hour
02:26
prolly need a good 5 more for good results
02:26
prolly need a good 5 more for good results
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<generalsnus>
:/ well, this is my work hours :P
02:26
:/ well, this is my work hours :P
02:26
<johnny>
not good hours for this channel tho
02:26
not good hours for this channel tho
02:28
i myself don't use any ldap/AD stuff, so i don't really have much to offer on that one
02:28
i myself don't use any ldap/AD stuff, so i don't really have much to offer on that one
02:28
you could try your distro channel, since the issue is ltsp agnostic
02:28
you could try your distro channel, since the issue is ltsp agnostic
02:31
<cyberorg>
generalsnus, you can try chmod +rw /dev/fuse
02:31
generalsnus, you can try chmod +rw /dev/fuse
02:32
<generalsnus>
hm.. would that add my domain users to the group fuse?
02:32
hm.. would that add my domain users to the group fuse?
02:32
<cyberorg>
generalsnus, no, it will make fuse available to everyone
02:32
generalsnus, no, it will make fuse available to everyone
02:33
<generalsnus>
so you mean that users dosent need to be member of the group fuse to have usb and such to automount??
02:33
so you mean that users dosent need to be member of the group fuse to have usb and such to automount??
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<johnny>
you could probably change udev rules to make that so
02:33
you could probably change udev rules to make that so
02:33
but it is not good practice tho imo
02:33
but it is not good practice tho imo
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<cyberorg>
generalsnus, i've never tried that, on suse we dont have fuse group
02:34
generalsnus, i've never tried that, on suse we dont have fuse group
02:34
<generalsnus>
plugdev
02:34
plugdev
02:35
johnny: care to explain those udev rules?
02:35
johnny: care to explain those udev rules?
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<johnny>
generalsnus, much better tutorials out there than what i would explain
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generalsnus, much better tutorials out there than what i would explain
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i'd suggest that you go talk to your distro folks or read more about pam_group first tho
02:36
i'd suggest that you go talk to your distro folks or read more about pam_group first tho
02:36
or whatever it takes to make your intended setup work
02:36
or whatever it takes to make your intended setup work
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<generalsnus>
http://www.mibbit.com/pb/i5BME9 i came over this post and script... what do you guys think of this? will it bog down my system in any way?
03:01
http://www.mibbit.com/pb/i5BME9 i came over this post and script... what do you guys think of this? will it bog down my system in any way?
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<moldy>
hi
06:38
hi
06:38
SCREEN_02=shell should create a shell on vt2 of the terminal, right?
06:38
SCREEN_02=shell should create a shell on vt2 of the terminal, right?
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it does not work here, for some reason
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it does not work here, for some reason
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<wigwam>
the screen scripts don't work very well for me too...
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<wigwam>
the screen scripts don't work very well for me too...
06:42
after a few tries i found combination that worked for me :)
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<moldy>
good to know that :)
06:41
<wigwam>
after a few tries i found combination that worked for me :)
06:45
<moldy>
good to know that :)
06:45
what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?
06:45
what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?
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or how do i check wethere this is working?
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or how do i check wethere this is working?
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<wigwam>
local usb mass storage?
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i think just mass storage drives and printers are supported... storage drives are mounted automatically and exported to network
06:54
local usb mass storage?
06:54
server just mounts network filesystem i think
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<wigwam>
don't know anything about how printers work
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don't know anything about how printers work
06:57
<ogra>
moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
06:57
moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
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<moldy>
hi again
07:08
hi again
07:08
sorry... did i miss an answer to my question? :)
07:08
sorry... did i miss an answer to my question? :)
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<ogra>
moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
07:12
moldy, nothing, in ubuntu it works out of the box (make sure your users are in the local fuse group though)
07:12
(my answer to "what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?")
07:12
(my answer to "what do i need to do to see local media in ubuntu 8.04?")
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<jammcq>
!seen sbalneav
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<jammcq>
!seen sbalneav
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<lts9bot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
07:30
<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
07:30
<lts9bot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
07:30
<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 50 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Cheers.
07:30
<jammcq>
ah, good to see the bot is alive
07:30
ah, good to see the bot is alive
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<laprag>
jammcq: hey big boss
07:43
jammcq: hey big boss
07:45* ogra waves to laprag
07:45* ogra waves to laprag
07:49
<jammcq>
laprag: HEY
07:49
laprag: HEY
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<jammcq>
laprag: where you at today?
07:49
laprag: where you at today?
07:49
<laprag>
hiding from the rain at home
07:49
hiding from the rain at home
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<jammcq>
ah, rainy season?
07:49
ah, rainy season?
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<laprag>
heh, pretty much all year!
07:50
heh, pretty much all year!
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<jammcq>
hmm
07:50
hmm
07:50
we're putting plans together for another BTS in Maine
07:50
we're putting plans together for another BTS in Maine
07:50* laprag waves back to ogra
07:50* laprag waves back to ogra
07:51
<jammcq>
ogra: a few guys have expressed a problem with the week that we've chosen for BTS. would Nov 6th-10 work for you?
07:52
<ogra>
i think so
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<laprag>
i was hoping to get to test the new Fedora, but my wife keeps coming with lists of things do ;)
07:52
<ogra>
unless i fall dead before
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(which i nearly did a week ago :/ )
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<laprag>
oh
07:52
<jammcq>
ogra: well, let's just hope that doesn't happen
07:52* ogra spent a week in hospitaö
07:52
<laprag>
what happened?
07:52
<jammcq>
ogra: i reas about that TIA thing.
07:52
scary stuff
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<ogra>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
07:51
<jammcq>
ogra: a few guys have expressed a problem with the week that we've chosen for BTS. would Nov 6th-10 work for you?
07:52
<ogra>
i think so
07:52
<laprag>
i was hoping to get to test the new Fedora, but my wife keeps coming with lists of things do ;)
07:52
<ogra>
unless i fall dead before
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(which i nearly did a week ago :/ )
07:52
<laprag>
oh
07:52
<jammcq>
ogra: well, let's just hope that doesn't happen
07:52* ogra spent a week in hospitaö
07:52
<laprag>
what happened?
07:52
<jammcq>
ogra: i reas about that TIA thing.
07:52
scary stuff
07:52
<ogra>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack
07:52
laprag, ^^
07:52
laprag, ^^
07:52
my blood is to thick, i dont move enough and have to much cholesterol
07:52
my blood is to thick, i dont move enough and have to much cholesterol
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<laprag>
yikes
07:53
yikes
07:53
scary indeed
07:53
scary indeed
07:53
so, no more cigs, plenty of exercise, to bed at 2300?
07:53
so, no more cigs, plenty of exercise, to bed at 2300?
07:54
<ogra>
well, no more cigs is nothing i want ... but i limited myself to max 5 a day, at least 1h cycling, drink 5l of water etc
07:54
well, no more cigs is nothing i want ... but i limited myself to max 5 a day, at least 1h cycling, drink 5l of water etc
07:55
<jammcq>
1hr on a bicycle? that's awesome
07:55
1hr on a bicycle? that's awesome
07:55
<laga>
i recently start cycling again. it's awesome
07:55
i recently start cycling again. it's awesome
07:55* jammcq LOVES cycling
07:55* jammcq LOVES cycling
07:56
<laprag>
ogra: sounds good. it's a wake up call
07:56
ogra: sounds good. it's a wake up call
07:56
<Blinny>
ogra: Please take care of yourself. If it's stress related, take a long long holiday!
07:56
ogra: Please take care of yourself. If it's stress related, take a long long holiday!
07:56
<laga>
i bought a bike computer. i did 28km yesterday just because i loved seeing the numbers ;)
07:56
i bought a bike computer. i did 28km yesterday just because i loved seeing the numbers ;)
07:56* laprag thinks jammcq loves WATCHING OTHER PEOPLE cycle on TV
07:56* laprag thinks jammcq loves WATCHING OTHER PEOPLE cycle on TV
07:56
<jammcq>
yeah, that's what I meant
07:56
yeah, that's what I meant
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<laprag>
heh
07:56
heh
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<ogra>
Blinny, surely stress plays into that ....
07:57
Blinny, surely stress plays into that ....
07:57
<laprag>
you get to watch the Olympics?
07:57
you get to watch the Olympics?
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<jammcq>
and then I dream that I'm on the bike
07:57
and then I dream that I'm on the bike
07:57* jammcq hasn't seen 1 nanosecond of the olympics this year
07:57* jammcq hasn't seen 1 nanosecond of the olympics this year
07:57
<laprag>
wow, is that possible?
07:57
wow, is that possible?
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<jammcq>
well, I haven't been watching much tv
07:58
well, I haven't been watching much tv
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<laprag>
there you go
07:58
there you go
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<jammcq>
which is strange, cuz I usually have the TV on at my office at home
07:58
which is strange, cuz I usually have the TV on at my office at home
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but not so much lately
07:58
but not so much lately
07:58
<laprag>
how's your systems development business coming along?
07:58
how's your systems development business coming along?
07:58
<Blinny>
ogra: Life isn't meant to lead /directly/ to death. Have fun with it! Go outside! Forget this computer crap!
07:58
ogra: Life isn't meant to lead /directly/ to death. Have fun with it! Go outside! Forget this computer crap!
07:59
<jammcq>
laprag: very well. of course we aren't moving as fast as I'd like, but it's going pretty well
07:59
laprag: very well. of course we aren't moving as fast as I'd like, but it's going pretty well
07:59* laprag wonders about such "advice"
07:59* laprag wonders about such "advice"
07:59
<laprag>
jammcq: good to hear. You got staff now?
07:59
jammcq: good to hear. You got staff now?
07:59
<jammcq>
there's 4 of us now
07:59
there's 4 of us now
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although 1 is part time
07:59
although 1 is part time
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<laprag>
wow
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wow
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<jammcq>
yeah, big time
08:00
yeah, big time
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<laprag>
expansion during the recession. not bad.
08:00
expansion during the recession. not bad.
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<jammcq>
well, it's good to be in the healthcare business. the economy goes in the toilet, but people still need to go see the doctor, and the doctor wants to get paid
08:01
well, it's good to be in the healthcare business. the economy goes in the toilet, but people still need to go see the doctor, and the doctor wants to get paid
08:01
so, that's where we come in
08:01
so, that's where we come in
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and.... there's so much crap software out there, it's really not that hard to build a better mouse trap
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and.... there's so much crap software out there, it's really not that hard to build a better mouse trap
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<laprag>
or perhaps you're a good salesman?
08:01
or perhaps you're a good salesman?
08:02* jammcq is NO salesman. my work is my calling card :)
08:02* jammcq is NO salesman. my work is my calling card :)
08:02
<jammcq>
I'm barely a businessman
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I'm barely a businessman
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<laprag>
better still, "AND your're a good salesman"
08:02
better still, "AND your're a good salesman"
08:03* laprag thinks jammcq is slightly too humble
08:03* laprag thinks jammcq is slightly too humble
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<laprag>
gotta go do my chores
08:05
gotta go do my chores
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<warren>
jammcq: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/detroit-housing.html Detroit houses for $1?
08:28
jammcq: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/08/detroit-housing.html Detroit houses for $1?
08:35
<ogra>
bah, nobody on #debian-devel noticed the banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/ yet :/
08:35
bah, nobody on #debian-devel noticed the banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/ yet :/
08:35
<laga>
well, why would they go to ubuntu.com? ;)
08:35
well, why would they go to ubuntu.com? ;)
08:36
<ogra>
some might ... some actually are ubuntu friendly
08:36
some might ... some actually are ubuntu friendly
08:36
<laga>
i never go to www.ubuntu.com and i'm very ubuntu friendly ;)
08:36
i never go to www.ubuntu.com and i'm very ubuntu friendly ;)
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<ogra>
i do occasionally ... to check for new banners :P
08:37
i do occasionally ... to check for new banners :P
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<jammcq>
warren: you thinking of buying one of those houses?
08:47
warren: you thinking of buying one of those houses?
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<warren>
jammcq: only if they can overnight it here.
08:48
jammcq: only if they can overnight it here.
08:48
<jammcq>
the problem around here now isn't the housing, it's the mayor
08:48
the problem around here now isn't the housing, it's the mayor
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<Gadi>
morning, all
09:36
morning, all
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<ace_suares>
gadi !!!
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gadi !!!
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nice ot see you here.
10:28
nice ot see you here.
10:29
I was looking for some solution to sound on my concorted setup, and was told you where the expert, gadi... :)
10:29
I was looking for some solution to sound on my concorted setup, and was told you where the expert, gadi... :)
10:29
but I gathered I need just install pulseaudio and all will be right :-)
10:29
but I gathered I need just install pulseaudio and all will be right :-)
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<Gadi>
lol - I love how you used gadi and expert in the sam sentence... /me logs this chat!
10:31
lol - I love how you used gadi and expert in the sam sentence... /me logs this chat!
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;)
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;)
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whats the concorted (?) setup ?
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whats the concorted (?) setup ?
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<ace_suares>
Gadi oh, its very distrubed. It used like 3 layers of virtualization :-)
10:32
Gadi oh, its very distrubed. It used like 3 layers of virtualization :-)
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<Gadi>
SWEET
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SWEET
10:33
I was virtual once
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I was virtual once
10:33
made it hard to pee
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made it hard to pee
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so, draw me a map...
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so, draw me a map...
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<ace_suares>
the idea is to do ssh -X to a kvm that runs on the ltsp server. Inside the kvm it runs damn small linux(not) and that runs win4lin (with sco merge).
10:33
the idea is to do ssh -X to a kvm that runs on the ltsp server. Inside the kvm it runs damn small linux(not) and that runs win4lin (with sco merge).
10:33
gadi the fun thing is that it kind of works... but now how to get sound from inside that beast all the way to the thin client ?
10:33
gadi the fun thing is that it kind of works... but now how to get sound from inside that beast all the way to the thin client ?
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<Gadi>
what kind of sound?
10:34
what kind of sound?
10:34
windows sound?
10:34
windows sound?
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<ace_suares>
gadi the sound on the server works - starting up win98 over ssh -X gives the stupid windoze sound on the server speakers.
10:34
gadi the sound on the server works - starting up win98 over ssh -X gives the stupid windoze sound on the server speakers.
10:34
<Gadi>
rdesktop?
10:34
rdesktop?
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<warren>
why can't win4lin run on the server?
10:34
why can't win4lin run on the server?
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<ace_suares>
warren hi
10:34
warren hi
10:34
warren because it can't work with a kernel after 2.6.12
10:34
warren because it can't work with a kernel after 2.6.12
10:34
<warren>
can't kvm run win98 directly?
10:34
can't kvm run win98 directly?
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<ace_suares>
warren it's the old win 4 lin terminalserver
10:35
warren it's the old win 4 lin terminalserver
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<Gadi>
you need: ssh -X .... PULSE_SERVER=.... <command>
10:35
you need: ssh -X .... PULSE_SERVER=.... <command>
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<ace_suares>
warren win4lin has provisioniong which is very nice it wipes win98 clean after aech login
10:35
warren win4lin has provisioniong which is very nice it wipes win98 clean after aech login
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<warren>
ace_suares: one problem you'll have is kvm's sound output is pretty broken
10:35
ace_suares: one problem you'll have is kvm's sound output is pretty broken
10:35
ace_suares: you *can* do that with kvm with a little scripting
10:35
ace_suares: you *can* do that with kvm with a little scripting
10:35
running win4lin inside of kvm seems like lose.
10:35
running win4lin inside of kvm seems like lose.
10:36
<ace_suares>
gadi okay ! but do i need the pulse on the dams small linux ?
10:36
gadi okay ! but do i need the pulse on the dams small linux ?
10:36
<Gadi>
yeah
10:36
yeah
10:36
<ace_suares>
warren okay you are smarter then me that's well established now :-)
10:36
warren okay you are smarter then me that's well established now :-)
10:36
<Gadi>
well, hmm
10:36
well, hmm
10:36
<ace_suares>
gadi i figured that much in the last few days and it's probably the cleanest solution
10:36
gadi i figured that much in the last few days and it's probably the cleanest solution
10:36
<Gadi>
yeah, the way you have it set up
10:36
yeah, the way you have it set up
10:36
<warren>
until very recent versions, kvm would output sound only to OSS, and in a very bad way
10:36
until very recent versions, kvm would output sound only to OSS, and in a very bad way
10:37
<ace_suares>
gadi tough it probably is not so easy to get it on the damn small distro :-P
10:36
gadi tough it probably is not so easy to get it on the damn small distro :-P
10:37
<warren>
very recent versions of pulse can do ALSA or pulse native sound output
10:37
very recent versions of pulse can do ALSA or pulse native sound output
10:37
but that isn't even in F-9 yet.
10:37
but that isn't even in F-9 yet.
10:37
too new
10:37
too new
10:37
<ace_suares>
warren i tought pulse would circumvent that ?
10:37
warren i tought pulse would circumvent that ?
10:37
<Gadi>
warren: if he installs pulse in the kvm, it wont matter
10:37
warren: if he installs pulse in the kvm, it wont matter
10:37
<warren>
ace_suares: not if the app behaves badly
10:37
ace_suares: not if the app behaves badly
10:37
Gadi: oh.
10:37
Gadi: oh.
10:37
<ace_suares>
gadi thank you thats what i wanted to know.
10:37
gadi thank you thats what i wanted to know.
10:38
<Gadi>
ace_suares: what about esound-clients?
10:38
ace_suares: what about esound-clients?
10:38
<ace_suares>
gadi it's all tcp/ip there isnt it
10:38
gadi it's all tcp/ip there isnt it
10:38
<Gadi>
can you get that in DSL?
10:38
can you get that in DSL?
10:38
<warren>
ace_suares: running one emulation layer inside another seem like a bad idea. you should really just script running a fresh kvm image and do win98 directly.
10:38
ace_suares: running one emulation layer inside another seem like a bad idea. you should really just script running a fresh kvm image and do win98 directly.
10:38
<ace_suares>
gadi i worked with esd in ltsp 4.2
10:38
gadi i worked with esd in ltsp 4.2
10:38
gadi but I think it would need me to modify the whole ltsp setup wont it ? and anyway, the stuff inside the kvm is now accessed over ssh -X
10:38
gadi but I think it would need me to modify the whole ltsp setup wont it ? and anyway, the stuff inside the kvm is now accessed over ssh -X
10:39
gadi won't that hurt anything to do with esd ?
10:39
gadi won't that hurt anything to do with esd ?
10:39
<Gadi>
no
10:39
no
10:39
pulse is compat with esd
10:39
pulse is compat with esd
10:39
<ace_suares>
warren good idea i'll chek it out someday
10:39
warren good idea i'll chek it out someday
10:40
<Gadi>
you can use esddsp with a pulse server, etc
10:40
you can use esddsp with a pulse server, etc
10:40
<ace_suares>
gadi so on the kvm how does it know how to send sound to the correct thin client ?
10:40
gadi so on the kvm how does it know how to send sound to the correct thin client ?
10:40
<Gadi>
you need: ssh -X .... ESPEAKER= ... <app>
10:40
you need: ssh -X .... ESPEAKER= ... <app>
10:41
and make ESPEAKER = <thinIP:16001>
10:41
and make ESPEAKER = <thinIP:16001>
10:41
<ace_suares>
gadi okay,... hmm sounds promising. Sorry for my ignorance but this means I don't have to modify the kvm ?
10:41
gadi okay,... hmm sounds promising. Sorry for my ignorance but this means I don't have to modify the kvm ?
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<ace_suares>
warren how much memory would 30 kvm-win98 sessions need, given that each win session has 128 MB ?
10:42
warren how much memory would 30 kvm-win98 sessions need, given that each win session has 128 MB ?
10:42
<Gadi>
you just need esound_clients installed in DSL
10:42
you just need esound_clients installed in DSL
10:42
<warren>
ace_suares: I don't know how to do multiplication.
10:42
ace_suares: I don't know how to do multiplication.
10:42
<Gadi>
and prolly wrap the windows app in esddsp
10:42
and prolly wrap the windows app in esddsp
10:43
<ace_suares>
warren because with win4lin you could run that in under 512...
10:43
warren because with win4lin you could run that in under 512...
10:43
<Gadi>
lol
10:43
lol
10:43
warren: you crack me up
10:43
warren: you crack me up
10:43
<ace_suares>
gadi it seems esound-clients is a .deb package, so with LUCK it might plain install on the Damn Small
10:43
gadi it seems esound-clients is a .deb package, so with LUCK it might plain install on the Damn Small
10:43
<Gadi>
ace_suares: cool
10:43
ace_suares: cool
10:43
what window manager does it run (if any)
10:43
what window manager does it run (if any)
10:43
<warren>
ace_suares: wow, that's a pretty specialized use of shared memory, yeah kvm can't do that.
10:43
ace_suares: wow, that's a pretty specialized use of shared memory, yeah kvm can't do that.
10:44
<ace_suares>
warren thanks for acking me :-)
10:44
warren thanks for acking me :-)
10:44
gadi dsl runs fluxbox
10:44
gadi dsl runs fluxbox
10:45
<Gadi>
ace_suares: if you make sure that the sound from win4lin gets piped to esd, you should have a solution
10:45
ace_suares: if you make sure that the sound from win4lin gets piped to esd, you should have a solution
10:45
<ace_suares>
it's not a perfect setup tough some badly wrtitten soft on the win98 behave badly as to cpu time and graphics use
10:45
it's not a perfect setup tough some badly wrtitten soft on the win98 behave badly as to cpu time and graphics use
10:45
<Gadi>
not pretty
10:45
not pretty
10:45
and may be choppy
10:45
and may be choppy
10:45
but, you'll find out soon enuff
10:45
but, you'll find out soon enuff
10:45
;)
10:45
;)
10:45
<ace_suares>
gadi if it's bound to be choppy then it certainly will be choppy with 20 - 30 clients :-)
10:45
gadi if it's bound to be choppy then it certainly will be choppy with 20 - 30 clients :-)
10:46
the win98 uses whatever sound the host uses Dams Small). so it might be a minor problem to get esd or pulse to work with that.
10:46
the win98 uses whatever sound the host uses Dams Small). so it might be a minor problem to get esd or pulse to work with that.
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<ace_suares>
it isntalls a special driver in win98 that has notjhing to do with the real sound card.
10:46
it isntalls a special driver in win98 that has notjhing to do with the real sound card.
10:47
I'll walk these two ways (puls2e and esound-clients) this weekend and i'll let you know.
10:47
I'll walk these two ways (puls2e and esound-clients) this weekend and i'll let you know.
10:47
<Gadi>
well, if it is choppy with 1 client, it is a software issue
10:47
well, if it is choppy with 1 client, it is a software issue
10:47
if it is only choppy with 30 clients, its a bandwidth issue
10:47
if it is only choppy with 30 clients, its a bandwidth issue
10:48
<ace_suares>
can't trust anytjing inside the win98 anyway. I've seen bad things happen. One software grabbed the keybaord by doing a endless loop
10:48
can't trust anytjing inside the win98 anyway. I've seen bad things happen. One software grabbed the keybaord by doing a endless loop
10:48
which made the server cp go 100% for just 1 client and nothing I could do to fake or break that.
10:48
which made the server cp go 100% for just 1 client and nothing I could do to fake or break that.
10:48
<Gadi>
ace_suares: but does win98 use OSS or ALSA output?
10:48
ace_suares: but does win98 use OSS or ALSA output?
10:48
<ace_suares>
cp cpu
10:48
cp cpu
10:49
gadi it's sco merge I think that is doing the ouput. I had it working with alsa i think. it's a whole layer. I don't understand anything of it.
10:49
gadi it's sco merge I think that is doing the ouput. I had it working with alsa i think. it's a whole layer. I don't understand anything of it.
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<ace_suares>
But the moment I added -soundhw es1370 to the kvm is suddenly worked without doing anything to win98
10:49
But the moment I added -soundhw es1370 to the kvm is suddenly worked without doing anything to win98
10:49
is = it
10:49
is = it
10:50
<warren>
what is sco merge?
10:50
what is sco merge?
10:50
<ace_suares>
Problem is i have no visual picture in my mind of how sound wotks in linux (or windows). So just testing
10:50
Problem is i have no visual picture in my mind of how sound wotks in linux (or windows). So just testing
10:50
<Gadi>
ah, so you can try specifying OSS output and wrapping it in esddsp
10:50
ah, so you can try specifying OSS output and wrapping it in esddsp
10:50
<ace_suares>
warren something old and proprieatry that was used to emulate windows under win4lin
10:50
warren something old and proprieatry that was used to emulate windows under win4lin
10:50
<warren>
I haven't successfully wrapped kvm's OSS output with anything
10:50
I haven't successfully wrapped kvm's OSS output with anything
10:50
<Gadi>
otherwise, you would need it to be esd-aware
10:50
otherwise, you would need it to be esd-aware
10:51
<warren>
Like I said earlier, VERY new versions of kvm can do native pulse output.
10:51
Like I said earlier, VERY new versions of kvm can do native pulse output.
10:51
you probably want that
10:51
you probably want that
10:51
<ace_suares>
warren if you are interested in the general setup of my experiment: http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
10:51
warren if you are interested in the general setup of my experiment: http://www.suares.an/index.php?page_id=25&news_id=212#news-top
10:51
<Gadi>
right - but he isn't exactly wrapping kvm, he is wrapping an app run inside kvm
10:51
right - but he isn't exactly wrapping kvm, he is wrapping an app run inside kvm
10:51
<warren>
no I'm not interested
10:51
no I'm not interested
10:51
oh
10:51
oh
10:51
<ace_suares>
gadi right.
10:51
gadi right.
10:51
<Gadi>
I think
10:51
I think
10:52
if I get this monstrosity right in my head ;)
10:52
if I get this monstrosity right in my head ;)
10:52
<ace_suares>
gadi you're 80% of the way ;-). the dsl in kvm mounts its home dirs over nfs from the host :-)
10:52
gadi you're 80% of the way ;-). the dsl in kvm mounts its home dirs over nfs from the host :-)
10:53
gadi so the thin client users home dir is in fact also the kvm-dsl home dir
10:53
gadi so the thin client users home dir is in fact also the kvm-dsl home dir
10:53* Gadi likes ur style
10:53* Gadi likes ur style
10:53
<ace_suares>
\me blushes...
10:53
\me blushes...
10:53* ace_suares blushes (Damn!)
10:53* ace_suares blushes (Damn!)
10:54
<ace_suares>
I wish the win4lin would run on modern kernels and not being forced to loose i/o and cpu and ram by moving that into a kwm.
10:54
I wish the win4lin would run on modern kernels and not being forced to loose i/o and cpu and ram by moving that into a kwm.
10:54
the modern wi4lin uses qemu, for winxp emulation. But takes a lot of mem to run 30 winxp clients.
10:54
the modern wi4lin uses qemu, for winxp emulation. But takes a lot of mem to run 30 winxp clients.
10:55
about 512 per sessions, 512 x 30 = 15630 MB (I used gnome calculator).
10:55
about 512 per sessions, 512 x 30 = 15630 MB (I used gnome calculator).
10:56
the educational software our schools use run fine on win98. (altough not all of them run under this quasimodo of virtualizations...)
10:56
the educational software our schools use run fine on win98. (altough not all of them run under this quasimodo of virtualizations...)
10:57
gotta run, thanks !!!!
10:57
gotta run, thanks !!!!
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<gbolte>
hi loather
11:28
hi loather
11:29
<loathing>
ok, so. i'm looking to customize ldm; specifically the text colors and whatnot.
11:29
ok, so. i'm looking to customize ldm; specifically the text colors and whatnot.
11:29
<gbolte>
er loathing
11:29
er loathing
11:29
<loathing>
heya gbolte
11:29
heya gbolte
11:29
how are you this afternoon?
11:29
how are you this afternoon?
11:29
<gbolte>
heh morning for me...but I am doing well
11:29
heh morning for me...but I am doing well
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<loathing>
yea, it would normally be morning for me
11:30
yea, it would normally be morning for me
11:30
but i'm on travel this week and next. busy busy!
11:30
but i'm on travel this week and next. busy busy!
11:31
<gbolte>
ah
11:31
ah
11:31
cool
11:31
cool
11:31
<loathing>
i've been at work for 4 hours, interviewed two people, and my coworkers in san diego are *barely* starting to get into the office.
11:31
i've been at work for 4 hours, interviewed two people, and my coworkers in san diego are *barely* starting to get into the office.
11:31
heh
11:31
heh
11:32
<gbolte>
loathing, ldm dosent actually have text
11:32
loathing, ldm dosent actually have text
11:32
<japerry>
loathing: you only have pictures
11:32
loathing: you only have pictures
11:32
<gbolte>
its all just images
11:32
its all just images
11:32
<japerry>
we had a discussion at the hackfest about theming, but the consensus was to not make something more complicated.
11:32
we had a discussion at the hackfest about theming, but the consensus was to not make something more complicated.
11:33
basically, no one really thinks it'd be worth it to put a theme layer like GDM's on LDM
11:33
basically, no one really thinks it'd be worth it to put a theme layer like GDM's on LDM
11:33
<cyberorg>
loathing, the fastest way is just replace bg.png and logo.png in your default theme
11:33
loathing, the fastest way is just replace bg.png and logo.png in your default theme
11:36
<ogra>
loathing, just edit the gtkrc file
11:36
loathing, just edit the gtkrc file
11:37
if you want to use a different gtk theme dont forget to install that in the chroot/image
11:37
if you want to use a different gtk theme dont forget to install that in the chroot/image
11:38
japerry, if we can develop an easy theme mechanism thats fine ... i think the consensus was only that gdm's themeing is really overkill
11:38
japerry, if we can develop an easy theme mechanism thats fine ... i think the consensus was only that gdm's themeing is really overkill
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<japerry>
ogra: yah and I agree, its too bad gtkrc isn't easier
11:38
ogra: yah and I agree, its too bad gtkrc isn't easier
11:39
<ogra>
yeah
11:39
yeah
11:39
<cyberorg>
ogra, i feel just these three elements, bg, logo and gtkrc are good enough
11:39
ogra, i feel just these three elements, bg, logo and gtkrc are good enough
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<japerry>
after looking through what it'd take to do something similar to GDM, its not really worth it
11:39
after looking through what it'd take to do something similar to GDM, its not really worth it
11:40* japerry agrees with cyberorg -- but I also don't know gtk themes as well
11:40* japerry agrees with cyberorg -- but I also don't know gtk themes as well
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<cyberorg>
japerry, you just have to experimant with html color codes :)
11:40
japerry, you just have to experimant with html color codes :)
11:41
<japerry>
oh. ha ha. but I couldn't find a way to do my own text in the gtkrc... granted I had a hard time finding some good examples to go by
11:41
oh. ha ha. but I couldn't find a way to do my own text in the gtkrc... granted I had a hard time finding some good examples to go by
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<cyberorg>
here is something for everyone who does lot of compiling http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/14/announcing-kiwi-icecream-001/
11:41
here is something for everyone who does lot of compiling http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/08/14/announcing-kiwi-icecream-001/
11:42
<gbolte>
:)
11:42
:)
11:42
<loathing>
cyberorg, ogra: yeah... I got that much. I replaced the image files as necessary, but it doesn't look like my changes to the gtkrc don't seem to take.
11:42
cyberorg, ogra: yeah... I got that much. I replaced the image files as necessary, but it doesn't look like my changes to the gtkrc don't seem to take.
11:43
<Lns>
Has anyone ever had issues (ubuntu/8.04.1) regarding random missing panel launchers in gnome?
11:43
Has anyone ever had issues (ubuntu/8.04.1) regarding random missing panel launchers in gnome?
11:43
I had a drawer full of custom app launchers and this morning when i log in all but one are missing
11:43
I had a drawer full of custom app launchers and this morning when i log in all but one are missing
11:43
<loathing>
Lns: look for stale processes
11:43
Lns: look for stale processes
11:44
<gbolte>
cyberorg, is icecream based on distcc
11:44
cyberorg, is icecream based on distcc
11:44
<cyberorg>
gbolte, something similar, but much better
11:44
gbolte, something similar, but much better
11:44
<Lns>
loathing, any in particular? The only thing I can think it could be is the "session state" was saved when i logged out
11:44
loathing, any in particular? The only thing I can think it could be is the "session state" was saved when i logged out
11:44
I think that thing is horribly broken
11:44
I think that thing is horribly broken
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<Lns>
half of my apps didn't launch when i logged back in either
11:44
half of my apps didn't launch when i logged back in either
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<cyberorg>
gbolte, follow the links ;)
11:45
gbolte, follow the links ;)
11:45
<loathing>
Lns: ah, you might have hit a gnome/gconfd bug. i've had more trouble with gconfd getting corrupted.
11:45
Lns: ah, you might have hit a gnome/gconfd bug. i've had more trouble with gconfd getting corrupted.
11:45* gbolte is on the yellow brick road
11:45* gbolte is on the yellow brick road
11:45
<gbolte>
:D
11:45
:D
11:45
<cyberorg>
Lns, rm -rf /tmp/* on the server helps, provided you run when no one is logged in
11:45
Lns, rm -rf /tmp/* on the server helps, provided you run when no one is logged in
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<Lns>
cyberorg, ok..i'll probably just down the server to do that - have to see what kind of ram is installed to get more anyway =) thx!
11:46
cyberorg, ok..i'll probably just down the server to do that - have to see what kind of ram is installed to get more anyway =) thx!
11:47
<gbolte>
yeah that works, but if you get pissed off and want to start over just get rid of the last 5 characters
11:47
yeah that works, but if you get pissed off and want to start over just get rid of the last 5 characters
11:47
:P
11:47
:P
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<gbolte>
Qt will compile in 62s
11:49
Qt will compile in 62s
11:49
lol @ cyberorg
11:49
lol @ cyberorg
11:49
:P
11:49
:P
11:50
<cyberorg>
where did you see that?
11:50
where did you see that?
11:50
i wish i could use it to run mksquashfs on ltsp image
11:50
i wish i could use it to run mksquashfs on ltsp image
11:50
i'd be done in seconds
11:50
i'd be done in seconds
11:51
<gbolte>
cyberorg, its in the section talking about combining icecream with ccache
11:51
cyberorg, its in the section talking about combining icecream with ccache
11:51
<cyberorg>
ah
11:51
ah
11:56
<gbolte>
so loathing did you get ldm figured out
11:56
so loathing did you get ldm figured out
11:56
<loathing>
gbolte: no, been distracted -- someone came into my office
11:56
gbolte: no, been distracted -- someone came into my office
11:57
<gbolte>
kick them out
11:57
kick them out
11:57
:P
11:57
:P
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey guys.
12:03
hey guys.
12:04
I'm trying to run an old 150e (TK-3350) on Fedora 9 with LTSP 5. It has the following etherboot version: EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
12:04
I'm trying to run an old 150e (TK-3350) on Fedora 9 with LTSP 5. It has the following etherboot version: EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
12:05
it's throwing an error like this: 172.31.100.254:/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image
12:05
it's throwing an error like this: 172.31.100.254:/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp ...error: not a valid image
12:05
what do I need to get this thing to boot?
12:05
what do I need to get this thing to boot?
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<loathing>
_UsUrPeR_: on the host you'll want to install the mknbi package, then create an etherboot image for the terminals.
12:12
_UsUrPeR_: on the host you'll want to install the mknbi package, then create an etherboot image for the terminals.
12:12
etherboot can't boot a regular kernel like a pxe terminal.
12:12
etherboot can't boot a regular kernel like a pxe terminal.
12:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, any specific nomenclature I should pay attention to when creating the etherboot image?
12:12
ok, any specific nomenclature I should pay attention to when creating the etherboot image?
12:13
<loathing>
it's all in the mknbi man page. basically, you feed it a kernel image, an initrd image, and a list of kernel command line options and it'll create the nbi
12:13
it's all in the mknbi man page. basically, you feed it a kernel image, an initrd image, and a list of kernel command line options and it'll create the nbi
12:13
you feed that into option 66 of your dhcp server.
12:13
you feed that into option 66 of your dhcp server.
12:13
<ogra>
is there an .nbi file somewher in your tftp directory ?
12:13
is there an .nbi file somewher in your tftp directory ?
12:14
that should be pointed to by the dhcp config
12:14
that should be pointed to by the dhcp config
12:14
<loathing>
150es are good units. I've got like 50 of them.
12:14
150es are good units. I've got like 50 of them.
12:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O
12:14
:O
12:14
<ogra>
yeah, the 150 is great
12:14
yeah, the 150 is great
12:15
<loathing>
i swear, they're bulletproof
12:15
i swear, they're bulletproof
12:15
<ogra>
in ubuntu they work out of the box though ... i wuld have expected the same from fedora
12:15
in ubuntu they work out of the box though ... i wuld have expected the same from fedora
12:15
<loathing>
the only thing i don't like about them, and it's relatively minor, is the front panel I/O. I like all my I/O on the back panel.
12:15
the only thing i don't like about them, and it's relatively minor, is the front panel I/O. I like all my I/O on the back panel.
12:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
I've noticed some irregularities depending on the linux flavor for USB support
12:15
I've noticed some irregularities depending on the linux flavor for USB support
12:16
err... whoops. wrong model
12:16
err... whoops. wrong model
12:16
these do work out of the box if they work with PXE
12:16
these do work out of the box if they work with PXE
12:17
<ogra>
etherboot as well in ubuntu ... though its some releases ago that i tested an etherboot one
12:17
etherboot as well in ubuntu ... though its some releases ago that i tested an etherboot one
12:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, etherboot isn't included in a standard package install any more. At least it does not work out of the box anymore.
12:17
yeah, etherboot isn't included in a standard package install any more. At least it does not work out of the box anymore.
12:18
<ogra>
:(
12:18
:(
12:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
it would be nice if that stuck around :/
12:18
it would be nice if that stuck around :/
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<_UsUrPeR_>
where are kernel images kept in fedora?
12:25
where are kernel images kept in fedora?
12:25
yum made it too easy -_-
12:25
yum made it too easy -_-
12:26
<warren>
what are you trying to do?
12:26
what are you trying to do?
12:26
<ogra>
using etherboot :)
12:26
using etherboot :)
12:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
utilize the command mkelf-linux
12:26
utilize the command mkelf-linux
12:26
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: Etherboot-5.4 or something earlier?
12:26
_UsUrPeR_: Etherboot-5.4 or something earlier?
12:26
<ogra>
5.0.10
12:26
5.0.10
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: I got it working with Etherboot-5.4
12:26
_UsUrPeR_: I got it working with Etherboot-5.4
12:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
12:27
EtherBoot/32 5.0.10 (GPL)
12:27
<warren>
does that require NBI images?
12:27
does that require NBI images?
12:27
I tried mknbi and it just fails.
12:27
I tried mknbi and it just fails.
12:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
:|
12:27
:|
12:27
<warren>
it creates an NBI image but it can't boot
12:27
it creates an NBI image but it can't boot
12:27
<ogra>
warren, did you try the sourcepackage of ubuntus mknbi ?
12:27
warren, did you try the sourcepackage of ubuntus mknbi ?
12:28
i theink mvo fixed some assmebler lines in ours
12:28
i theink mvo fixed some assmebler lines in ours
12:28
*think
12:28
*think
12:28
<warren>
ogra: I'll try your binary directly
12:28
ogra: I'll try your binary directly
12:28
if it helps hten I'll build
12:28
if it helps hten I'll build
12:28
<ogra>
if that works ...
12:28
if that works ...
12:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
12:28
hmm
12:29
ok, so where does fedora keep it's ramdisks?
12:29
ok, so where does fedora keep it's ramdisks?
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: same place as Ubuntu, exactly.
12:29
_UsUrPeR_: same place as Ubuntu, exactly.
12:30
ogra: any clue what that assembler changes does?
12:30
ogra: any clue what that assembler changes does?
12:30
<ogra>
nope
12:30
nope
12:30
it ftbfs'ed without them though
12:30
it ftbfs'ed without them though
12:31
<warren>
what the heck does that mean?
12:31
what the heck does that mean?
12:31
<ogra>
fail to build from source :)
12:31
fail to build from source :)
12:31
its a debian package term we adopted in ubuntu as well :)
12:31
its a debian package term we adopted in ubuntu as well :)
12:31
dont you love abbreviations ? *g*
12:31
dont you love abbreviations ? *g*
12:32
<warren>
omgwtfbbq
12:32
omgwtfbbq
12:32
<ogra>
heh
12:32
heh
12:34
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: I'm pushing a new ltsp package with the mknbi stuff already in the scripts.
12:34
_UsUrPeR_: I'm pushing a new ltsp package with the mknbi stuff already in the scripts.
12:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, like, right now?
12:34
oh, like, right now?
12:34
nice :D
12:34
nice :D
12:35
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: I've only tested the mkelfimage part (for Etherboot-5.4)
12:35
_UsUrPeR_: I've only tested the mkelfimage part (for Etherboot-5.4)
12:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'll be subject to test
12:36
I'll be subject to test
12:36
where is the package stored?
12:36
where is the package stored?
12:36
err... where can I gt it?
12:36
err... where can I gt it?
12:39
<warren>
building it now
12:39
building it now
12:39
hold
12:39
hold
12:39
found an error, rebuilding
12:39
found an error, rebuilding
12:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
k, cool
12:39
k, cool
12:42
<warren>
ls
12:42
ls
12:42
oops
12:42
oops
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<supreme_>
hi all, i cannot use vncviewer, help me pls
13:05
hi all, i cannot use vncviewer, help me pls
13:05
i ve done everything step by step
13:05
i ve done everything step by step
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<supreme_>
anybody?
13:14
anybody?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: you getting anywhere?
13:15
warren: you getting anywhere?
13:16
<warren>
doing 3 things at once
13:16
doing 3 things at once
13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh :)
13:16
oh :)
13:16
supreme_: what's the problem?
13:16
supreme_: what's the problem?
13:16
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: http://togami.com/~k12linux-temporary/fedora/9/
13:16
_UsUrPeR_: http://togami.com/~k12linux-temporary/fedora/9/
13:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: explain to me your current setup
13:16
supreme_: explain to me your current setup
13:16
warren: thanks
13:16
warren: thanks
13:17
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: upgrade your ltsp-server and install your /opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch
13:17
_UsUrPeR_: upgrade your ltsp-server and install your /opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch
13:17
<supreme_>
ok _UsUrPeR_
13:17
ok _UsUrPeR_
13:17
is an ltsp4.2
13:17
is an ltsp4.2
13:18
i think i already have vnc server in clients
13:18
i think i already have vnc server in clients
13:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: so you are trying to use vncviewer on an LTSP client?
13:19
supreme_: so you are trying to use vncviewer on an LTSP client?
13:20
what is the error you get when you try to use VNC on a specific IP?
13:20
what is the error you get when you try to use VNC on a specific IP?
13:20
<supreme_>
yes, im trying to view a client's remote screen from another client
13:20
yes, im trying to view a client's remote screen from another client
13:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: when you say upgrade your ltsp server, do you mean ltsp-build-client?
13:21
warren: when you say upgrade your ltsp server, do you mean ltsp-build-client?
13:21
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: install the latest ltsp-server from that URL
13:21
_UsUrPeR_: install the latest ltsp-server from that URL
13:21
<supreme_>
i only have 4 commands about vnc: vncconfig vncconfig.py vncpasswd vncserver
13:21
i only have 4 commands about vnc: vncconfig vncconfig.py vncpasswd vncserver
13:22
cause i found many clients and i dont know which one to install
13:22
cause i found many clients and i dont know which one to install
13:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm. ok, so I am seeing that you installed vnc-server, but you did not install vnc-viewer
13:22
hmm. ok, so I am seeing that you installed vnc-server, but you did not install vnc-viewer
13:23
what distro are you running?
13:23
what distro are you running?
13:23
<supreme_>
rhel4
13:23
rhel4
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<supreme_>
in a identical server vnc works, but i forgot what i did, my mistake
13:23
in a identical server vnc works, but i forgot what i did, my mistake
13:24
i dont remember have installed anything but as i see thats not true
13:24
i dont remember have installed anything but as i see thats not true
13:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm.
13:24
hmm.
13:24
I was basing this off apt-get in ubuntu
13:24
I was basing this off apt-get in ubuntu
13:25
still, it looks like you are missing the client software to jump on vnc servers.
13:25
still, it looks like you are missing the client software to jump on vnc servers.
13:26
if those 4 commands are the only ones you can find
13:26
if those 4 commands are the only ones you can find
13:26
<supreme_>
yes, to be sure thats only thing that is failing, how can i know that vncserver is running on clients?
13:26
yes, to be sure thats only thing that is failing, how can i know that vncserver is running on clients?
13:27
i only remember that the other identical server uses x11vnc
13:27
i only remember that the other identical server uses x11vnc
13:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
you need to ssh in to a client
13:28
you need to ssh in to a client
13:28
and run a ps -aux
13:28
and run a ps -aux
13:28
so jump on a client
13:28
so jump on a client
13:29
<supreme_>
grepping x11vnc right?
13:29
grepping x11vnc right?
13:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
x11vnc or just vnc for a broader coverage
13:29
x11vnc or just vnc for a broader coverage
13:29
<supreme_>
omg i havent :/
13:29
omg i havent :/
13:29
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: you rebuilding your chroot now?
13:29
_UsUrPeR_: you rebuilding your chroot now?
13:30
_UsUrPeR_: I have it using mknbi-linux for a NBI image, and mkelfimage for an elf image for coreboot and Etherboot-5.4
13:30
_UsUrPeR_: I have it using mknbi-linux for a NBI image, and mkelfimage for an elf image for coreboot and Etherboot-5.4
13:31
ogra: where is your latest binary package of mknbi?
13:31
ogra: where is your latest binary package of mknbi?
13:33
_UsUrPeR_: you will have to manually edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to serve the legacy-nbi.ltsp to Etherboot
13:33
_UsUrPeR_: you will have to manually edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to serve the legacy-nbi.ltsp to Etherboot
13:33
hmm
13:33
hmm
13:33
i'll test this more when I get home
13:33
i'll test this more when I get home
13:33
my ancient etherboot client is there
13:33
my ancient etherboot client is there
13:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
sorry, warren. Just got caught up with a customer. when you say "install your opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch, do you want to have me run ltsp-build-clien?
13:35
sorry, warren. Just got caught up with a customer. when you say "install your opt/ltsp/i386 from scratch, do you want to have me run ltsp-build-clien?
13:35
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: yes, after upgrading to the latest ltsp-server from that URL
13:35
_UsUrPeR_: yes, after upgrading to the latest ltsp-server from that URL
13:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so I am going to use this .rpm: ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
13:37
ok, so I am going to use this .rpm: ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
13:37
is that the latest and greatest?
13:37
is that the latest and greatest?
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<warren>
yes
13:40
yes
13:40
<supreme_>
_UsUrPeR_, i havent anything about vnc in the clients of the other server, but i run 'x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop' in client's rc.local and works fine everyday, the client is vncviewer
13:40
_UsUrPeR_, i havent anything about vnc in the clients of the other server, but i run 'x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop' in client's rc.local and works fine everyday, the client is vncviewer
13:40
*i havent anything about vnc doing ps -aux in local console
13:40
*i havent anything about vnc doing ps -aux in local console
13:43
ok, i ve checked that here loads vncserver too, so the only thing i need is vncserver, thanks
13:43
ok, i ve checked that here loads vncserver too, so the only thing i need is vncserver, thanks
13:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: so... you're all set then?
13:47
supreme_: so... you're all set then?
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<supreme_>
yes, now im fetching packages from repositories (it takes eons to do from dag :/) and then install vncviewer, i hope it works fine :) thanks
13:48
yes, now im fetching packages from repositories (it takes eons to do from dag :/) and then install vncviewer, i hope it works fine :) thanks
13:49
<warren>
ogra: nope, same failure with your mknbi binary
13:49
ogra: nope, same failure with your mknbi binary
13:49
the fedora kernel could be different
13:49
the fedora kernel could be different
13:49
or I'm trying to boot it on a much newer etherboot version that is incompatible with ancient nbi
13:49
or I'm trying to boot it on a much newer etherboot version that is incompatible with ancient nbi
13:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ok, building a new client after installing ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
13:49
warren: ok, building a new client after installing ltsp-server-5.1.18-3.20080814.13.fc9.i386.rpm
13:50
<supreme_>
another question, now i need like 40 thin clients, but it has to be capable to watch vids fluidly
13:50
another question, now i need like 40 thin clients, but it has to be capable to watch vids fluidly
13:50
*show
13:50
*show
13:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: start sacrificing goats, because the lord of the underworld is the only one who can grant that power ;)
13:50
supreme_: start sacrificing goats, because the lord of the underworld is the only one who can grant that power ;)
13:51
<supreme_>
and i have gigabit net?
13:51
and i have gigabit net?
13:51
*what about if i have gig net?
13:51
*what about if i have gig net?
13:51
<warren>
supreme_: that isn't enough
13:51
supreme_: that isn't enough
13:51
<supreme_>
:o
13:51
:o
13:51
<warren>
supreme_: each client watching youtube can easily use 40-80mbit/sec
13:51
supreme_: each client watching youtube can easily use 40-80mbit/sec
13:51
that's in the tiny un-maximized youtube window
13:51
that's in the tiny un-maximized youtube window
13:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah :|
13:52
yeah :|
13:52
<supreme_>
omg!, and what about if i put 20clients foreach server?
13:52
omg!, and what about if i put 20clients foreach server?
13:52
<warren>
supreme_: the new localapps feature in LTSP5 is your only chance, but then your clients need lots of their own RAM to run their own app
13:52
supreme_: the new localapps feature in LTSP5 is your only chance, but then your clients need lots of their own RAM to run their own app
13:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
not to mention doing that with more than one client
13:52
not to mention doing that with more than one client
13:53
<warren>
supreme_: 1000 is only a theoretical maximum, you'll likely max out much lower than that.
13:53
supreme_: 1000 is only a theoretical maximum, you'll likely max out much lower than that.
13:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
what kind of gigabit client are you currently running?
13:53
what kind of gigabit client are you currently running?
13:53
<supreme_>
ethernet 1000base
13:53
ethernet 1000base
13:53
gigabit switch too
13:53
gigabit switch too
13:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
for reference, satan prefers short-haired goats
13:54
for reference, satan prefers short-haired goats
13:54
<supreme_>
xd
13:54
xd
13:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
what was the video you were planning on disseminating?
13:55
what was the video you were planning on disseminating?
13:57
<warren>
hmm... NBI created by wraplinux is behaving differently than mknbi
13:57
hmm... NBI created by wraplinux is behaving differently than mknbi
13:57
still wrong, but different
13:57
still wrong, but different
13:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: still building. brb.
13:58
warren: still building. brb.
14:00
<supreme_>
_UsUrPeR_, done! vncviewer installed, but how can i configure password?
14:00
_UsUrPeR_, done! vncviewer installed, but how can i configure password?
14:03
<loathing>
mmm, SACRIFICE
14:03
mmm, SACRIFICE
14:03
<warren>
ooh
14:03
ooh
14:03
the wraplinux created NBI is booting here
14:03
the wraplinux created NBI is booting here
14:04
<supreme_>
warren, how can i configure password of vncviewer?
14:04
warren, how can i configure password of vncviewer?
14:04
<warren>
supreme_: you are using ancient software that I haven't touched in like 5 years
14:04
supreme_: you are using ancient software that I haven't touched in like 5 years
14:05
<supreme_>
hum, ok, the only thing i left to do is buy new clients, since they boot too slow and havent sound with ltsp5 :/
14:05
hum, ok, the only thing i left to do is buy new clients, since they boot too slow and havent sound with ltsp5 :/
14:06
somebody know how to configure password to vncviewer?
14:06
somebody know how to configure password to vncviewer?
14:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: you have to set the password in vnc server
14:07
supreme_: you have to set the password in vnc server
14:07
vncviewer being the client, you enter a password after the server is up and running
14:07
vncviewer being the client, you enter a password after the server is up and running
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<supreme_>
_UsUrPeR_, how can i set the password of the server?
14:10
_UsUrPeR_, how can i set the password of the server?
14:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
14:12
http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
14:12
the answer lies within
14:12
the answer lies within
14:13
<supreme_>
thanks a lot
14:13
thanks a lot
14:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: LTSP client installation completed successfully
14:13
warren: LTSP client installation completed successfully
14:13
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: ok, look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
14:13
_UsUrPeR_: ok, look in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
14:13
_UsUrPeR_: there should be a legacy-nbi.ltsp there
14:13
_UsUrPeR_: there should be a legacy-nbi.ltsp there
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your client tries to use that legacy-nbi.ltsp
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: edit your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure your client tries to use that legacy-nbi.ltsp
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd restart
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: service ltsp-dhcpd restart
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: here the mknbi created legacy-nbi.ltsp fails to boot on new etherboot, but wraplinux created nbi works
14:14
_UsUrPeR_: here the mknbi created legacy-nbi.ltsp fails to boot on new etherboot, but wraplinux created nbi works
14:14
i'm going to try both on the ancient NBI client I have home tonight
14:14
i'm going to try both on the ancient NBI client I have home tonight
14:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
to be sure, I change this portion in dhcpd.conf: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
14:16
to be sure, I change this portion in dhcpd.conf: http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
14:16
oh crap
14:16
oh crap
14:16
copy-paste through vmware without tools running
14:16
copy-paste through vmware without tools running
14:16
my bad
14:16
my bad
14:17
filename "/ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp"; Is that the one I should be changing?
14:17
filename "/ltsp/i386/elf.ltsp"; Is that the one I should be changing?
14:17
<warren>
does it say Etherboot-5.4 above that?
14:17
does it say Etherboot-5.4 above that?
14:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
14:17
yes
14:18
<warren>
change that to Etherboot
14:18
change that to Etherboot
14:18
you might need to change the range from 13 to 9
14:18
you might need to change the range from 13 to 9
14:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
k, I have changed that line
14:21
k, I have changed that line
14:21
elseif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot"
14:21
elseif substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot"
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: if that works, try seeing if a block with Etherboot-5.4 above it correctly falls through
14:23
_UsUrPeR_: if that works, try seeing if a block with Etherboot-5.4 above it correctly falls through
14:23
i'm not sure if it will
14:23
i'm not sure if it will
14:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
It's still trying to go to /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp
14:25
It's still trying to go to /ltsp/i386/vmlinuz.ltsp
14:25
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: install wireshark-gui and listen on ltspbr0
14:25
_UsUrPeR_: install wireshark-gui and listen on ltspbr0
14:25
_UsUrPeR_: somewhere in that you'll see the dhcp vendor class identifier that your client tells the server
14:25
_UsUrPeR_: somewhere in that you'll see the dhcp vendor class identifier that your client tells the server
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<_UsUrPeR_>
oh, wait. I need to restart the server when I make a change...
14:28
oh, wait. I need to restart the server when I make a change...
14:29
I knew Steel Reserve for lunch was a bad choice
14:29
I knew Steel Reserve for lunch was a bad choice
14:29
<loathing>
steel reserve is always a bad choice :P
14:29
steel reserve is always a bad choice :P
14:30
warren: need an ancient NBI? I've got one on a system I could send you
14:30
warren: need an ancient NBI? I've got one on a system I could send you
14:30
oh, i misread that
14:30
oh, i misread that
14:30
an ancient terminal, not an ancient image :P
14:30
an ancient terminal, not an ancient image :P
14:30
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: restart the server?
14:30
_UsUrPeR_: restart the server?
14:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
the dhcpd server
14:30
the dhcpd server
14:32
<johnny>
LOL
14:32
LOL
14:33
steel reserve...
14:33
steel reserve...
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
unghh.
14:34
unghh.
14:37
ok, so after changing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, it's failing to start. the error log says that I don't have a NIC associated to a listening device
14:37
ok, so after changing /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, it's failing to start. the error log says that I don't have a NIC associated to a listening device
14:37
but I don't recall changing that
14:37
but I don't recall changing that
14:37
and it doesn't look like there's anything pertaining to that in the .conf file I was in
14:37
and it doesn't look like there's anything pertaining to that in the .conf file I was in
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<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. ok
14:39
oh. ok
14:39
it created ltspbr0
14:39
it created ltspbr0
14:40
<supreme_>
_UsUrPeR_, everything is ok now, but when i try to vncview i got "CConnection: No password configured for VNC Auth" but i ve already do vncpasswd
14:40
_UsUrPeR_, everything is ok now, but when i try to vncview i got "CConnection: No password configured for VNC Auth" but i ve already do vncpasswd
14:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
what do you see in ~/.vnc/passwd?
14:43
what do you see in ~/.vnc/passwd?
14:45
<supreme_>
ofuscated text
14:45
ofuscated text
14:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm.
14:45
hmm.
14:45
is that in the home directory you are running vncserver in?
14:45
is that in the home directory you are running vncserver in?
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<supreme_>
yes im as userx in this client and the file with ofuscated text is in /home/userx/.vnc/vnc
14:46
yes im as userx in this client and the file with ofuscated text is in /home/userx/.vnc/vnc
14:47
*./passwd
14:47
*./passwd
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<_UsUrPeR_>
:|
14:48
:|
14:48
<supreme_>
i already reboot machine with vnc client running
14:48
i already reboot machine with vnc client running
14:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am going to be honest: the last two things I helped you out with I was able to google. I really don't know much about vnc, aside from I used it at my house once.
14:49
I am going to be honest: the last two things I helped you out with I was able to google. I really don't know much about vnc, aside from I used it at my house once.
14:49
but doing a search for Connection: No password configured for VNC Auth in google had a lot of content
14:49
but doing a search for Connection: No password configured for VNC Auth in google had a lot of content
14:49
give that a shot.
14:49
give that a shot.
14:49
sorry :|
14:49
sorry :|
14:51
<supreme_>
dont worry _UsUrPeR_ , unfortunately i ve googled about that for this last minutes unsuccessfully, thanks anyway
14:51
dont worry _UsUrPeR_ , unfortunately i ve googled about that for this last minutes unsuccessfully, thanks anyway
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
supreme_: sounds like you're further along than you were
14:52
supreme_: sounds like you're further along than you were
14:58
warren: this created a network bridge for eth1 called ltspbr0, and freaked out the dhcp server. Is that SOP? If so, how do I repair?
14:58
warren: this created a network bridge for eth1 called ltspbr0, and freaked out the dhcp server. Is that SOP? If so, how do I repair?
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<supreme_>
damn, i just cannot make that works :/
15:02
damn, i just cannot make that works :/
15:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
on the server, when you run ps-aux, what user does it show running the program?
15:04
on the server, when you run ps-aux, what user does it show running the program?
15:05
does that match up to the home directory of the password you looked at previously?
15:05
does that match up to the home directory of the password you looked at previously?
15:05
it sounds like if can't seem to find the password file you created
15:05
it sounds like if can't seem to find the password file you created
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<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: ifconfig
15:17
_UsUrPeR_: ifconfig
15:18
_UsUrPeR_: is ltspbr0 still running with the default addresses?
15:18
_UsUrPeR_: is ltspbr0 still running with the default addresses?
15:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
15:18
yes
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<_UsUrPeR_>
err wait, no
15:19
err wait, no
15:21
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: what exactly did you change from the default?
15:21
_UsUrPeR_: what exactly did you change from the default?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I take that back. The original ip address for eth1 was 10.1.2.1
15:31
I take that back. The original ip address for eth1 was 10.1.2.1
15:31
not it's 172.31.100.254
15:31
not it's 172.31.100.254
15:31
not = now
15:31
not = now
15:32
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: the interface that you dedicate to LTSP serving must have no IP address
15:32
_UsUrPeR_: the interface that you dedicate to LTSP serving must have no IP address
15:32
_UsUrPeR_: do you have two eth cards?
15:32
_UsUrPeR_: do you have two eth cards?
15:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
15:32
yes
15:33
warren: eth0 is external
15:33
warren: eth0 is external
15:33
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager is disabled?
15:33
_UsUrPeR_: NetworkManager is disabled?
15:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: where would I discover that?
15:34
warren: where would I discover that?
15:34
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: service NetworkManager status
15:34
_UsUrPeR_: service NetworkManager status
15:35
<jcastro>
vagrantc: I wore my LTSP pullover for the debconf group picture
15:35
vagrantc: I wore my LTSP pullover for the debconf group picture
15:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: netowrkmanager is running
15:35
warren: netowrkmanager is running
15:35
dyslexia
15:35
dyslexia
15:35
<vagrantc>
jcastro: make me jealous :P
15:35
jcastro: make me jealous :P
15:36
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: system-config-network
15:36
_UsUrPeR_: system-config-network
15:36
_UsUrPeR_: is eth1 listed there?
15:36
_UsUrPeR_: is eth1 listed there?
15:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
yes
15:36
yes
15:36
warren: it's listed as inactive
15:36
warren: it's listed as inactive
15:36
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: thats fine
15:36
_UsUrPeR_: thats fine
15:36
edit it
15:36
edit it
15:37
make sure "Controlled by NetworkManager" is unchecked
15:37
make sure "Controlled by NetworkManager" is unchecked
15:37
click Statically set IP address
15:37
click Statically set IP address
15:37
but do not fill it out.
15:37
but do not fill it out.
15:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: it is, indeed, unchecked
15:37
warren: it is, indeed, unchecked
15:37
<warren>
then click OK, save and exit this app.
15:37
then click OK, save and exit this app.
15:37
brb a sec
15:37
brb a sec
15:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
15:37
ok
15:43
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
15:43
_UsUrPeR_: edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1
15:43
add BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to the bottom
15:43
add BRIDGE=ltspbr0 to the bottom
15:43
save and exit
15:43
save and exit
15:43
_UsUrPeR_: did you follow the directions on my site at all? =)
15:43
_UsUrPeR_: did you follow the directions on my site at all? =)
15:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: BRIDGE=ltspbr0 was already in there
15:44
warren: BRIDGE=ltspbr0 was already in there
15:44
<warren>
ok
15:44
ok
15:45
_UsUrPeR_: if you ifdown eth1 and ifup eth1
15:45
_UsUrPeR_: if you ifdown eth1 and ifup eth1
15:45
_UsUrPeR_: does ifconfig show it as up but no IP address?
15:45
_UsUrPeR_: does ifconfig show it as up but no IP address?
15:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct. no ip address
15:45
correct. no ip address
15:45
<warren>
brctl show
15:45
brctl show
15:46
does it show eth1 as part of ltspbr0?\
15:46
does it show eth1 as part of ltspbr0?\
15:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: negative. no eth1 listed in brctl show. there is ltspbr0 and pan0
15:46
warren: negative. no eth1 listed in brctl show. there is ltspbr0 and pan0
15:47
ltspbr0 has eth1 under "interfaces"
15:47
ltspbr0 has eth1 under "interfaces"
15:47
<warren>
that's what I meant
15:47
that's what I meant
15:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. sorry. then yes. it is next to ltspbr0
15:47
oh. sorry. then yes. it is next to ltspbr0
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<warren>
ok, restart ltsp-dhcpd now
15:48
ok, restart ltsp-dhcpd now
15:48
it should be ok
15:48
it should be ok
15:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
looks like it came up
15:49
looks like it came up
15:49
now to try booting again
15:49
now to try booting again
15:49
<warren>
I think I need to write a GUI app that lets the admin select an interface
15:49
I think I need to write a GUI app that lets the admin select an interface
15:49
nobody follows instructions
15:49
nobody follows instructions
15:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
shot across the bow :)
15:50
shot across the bow :)
15:50
ok, still no dice, but I need to get wireshark on here and monitor.
15:50
ok, still no dice, but I need to get wireshark on here and monitor.
15:50
thanks for the help
15:50
thanks for the help
15:54
<warren>
find out the client identifier of that thing
15:54
find out the client identifier of that thing
15:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
rgr
15:55
rgr
15:58
warren: ok, I'm out. I'll get this figured out tomorrow.
15:58
warren: ok, I'm out. I'll get this figured out tomorrow.
15:58
<warren>
k
15:58
k
15:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: thanks for your help
15:58
warren: thanks for your help
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<Lns>
Does ltsp-update-image now exit immediately if there are no changes to the image? does it keep track now?
16:15
Does ltsp-update-image now exit immediately if there are no changes to the image? does it keep track now?
16:16
Ubuntu/8.04.1 - I did an ltsp-build-client --arch=-i386 --copy-sourceslist and got, at the end, "...I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
16:16
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:16
Ubuntu/8.04.1 - I did an ltsp-build-client --arch=-i386 --copy-sourceslist and got, at the end, "...I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
16:16
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:16
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
16:16
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
16:16
right after that I did a ltsp-update-image but it just returned me to shell prompt
16:16
right after that I did a ltsp-update-image but it just returned me to shell prompt
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<Lns>
gadi!
16:17
gadi!
16:18
i'm having issues =(
16:18
i'm having issues =(
16:20
<johnny>
no
16:20
no
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<Lns>
I'm re-trying ltsp-build-client.. wonder what could have messed it up
16:21
I'm re-trying ltsp-build-client.. wonder what could have messed it up
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<Gadi>
Lns: give me 32 secs
16:21
Lns: give me 32 secs
16:21
<Lns>
;) no worries
16:21
;) no worries
16:21
<Gadi>
I am trying to rocess something on a website that times out
16:21
I am trying to rocess something on a website that times out
16:21
:)
16:21
:)
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<Lns>
I <3 3GB RAM (vs 1) sooo much faster
16:22
I <3 3GB RAM (vs 1) sooo much faster
16:22
hrm....again, running ltsp-build-client:
16:22
hrm....again, running ltsp-build-client:
16:22* mistik1 snarfs some of Lns
16:22* mistik1 snarfs some of Lns
16:22
<mistik1>
ram
16:22
<Lns>
I: Configuring libc6...
16:22
I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
16:22
<mistik1>
ram
16:22
<Lns>
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:22
I: Configuring libc6...
16:22
I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
16:22
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:22
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
16:22
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
16:23
mistik1, ;) it was so cheap! $35 for 2GB DDR2 800
16:23
mistik1, ;) it was so cheap! $35 for 2GB DDR2 800
16:23
<johnny>
warren, are you about?
16:23
warren, are you about?
16:24
<mistik1>
Lns: unfortunately i'm on a laptop
16:24
Lns: unfortunately i'm on a laptop
16:26
<Lns>
jeez...even running ltsp-build-client without switches doesn't work
16:26
jeez...even running ltsp-build-client without switches doesn't work
16:27
it looks like ltsp-update-image is borked for some reason...
16:27
it looks like ltsp-update-image is borked for some reason...
16:33
I installed Ubuntu 8.04.1 alternate CD w/LTSP option to build during installation...anyone think that could have done something? I haven't tried rebuilding chroot on this server yet.
16:33
I installed Ubuntu 8.04.1 alternate CD w/LTSP option to build during installation...anyone think that could have done something? I haven't tried rebuilding chroot on this server yet.
16:35
<warren>
johnny: what's up
16:35
johnny: what's up
16:36
<johnny>
warren, sadly.. it isn't ltsp related.. does rhel5 come with yum?
16:36
warren, sadly.. it isn't ltsp related.. does rhel5 come with yum?
16:36
or something like that/
16:36
or something like that/
16:36
<ogra>
Lns, --arch=i386 not -i386
16:36
Lns, --arch=i386 not -i386
16:36
<johnny>
ain't seeing it on 4..
16:36
ain't seeing it on 4..
16:37
<Lns>
ogra, sorry - that's what i typed
16:37
ogra, sorry - that's what i typed
16:37
ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --copy-sourceslist
16:37
ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 --copy-sourceslist
16:37
<johnny>
dberkholz, so.. what can we do to get the gentoo code merged? and me commit access?
16:37
dberkholz, so.. what can we do to get the gentoo code merged? and me commit access?
16:37
<ogra>
Lns, that should work fine
16:37
Lns, that should work fine
16:37
<Lns>
thats what i thought too ;)
16:37
thats what i thought too ;)
16:37
<ogra>
at least it does for plenty of others
16:37
at least it does for plenty of others
16:37
<Lns>
even did it w/o switches
16:37
even did it w/o switches
16:38
<warren>
johnny: yes
16:38
johnny: yes
16:38
<Lns>
there are no errors during pkg install/cfg, it seems that when it tries to run ltsp-update-image it borks out
16:38
there are no errors during pkg install/cfg, it seems that when it tries to run ltsp-update-image it borks out
16:38
and running ltsp-update-image by itself just returns me to a prompt w/o error, nothing
16:38
and running ltsp-update-image by itself just returns me to a prompt w/o error, nothing
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<ogra>
add set -x at the top of the script
16:38
add set -x at the top of the script
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<ogra>
it will give you lots of info
16:39
it will give you lots of info
16:39
<Lns>
ogra, at top of ltsp-update-image ?
16:39
ogra, at top of ltsp-update-image ?
16:39
<ogra>
yeah
16:39
yeah
16:39
<Lns>
k
16:39
k
16:39
<ogra>
directly below the shell line
16:39
directly below the shell line
16:39
<johnny>
wtf is up with my wifi
16:39
wtf is up with my wifi
16:39
<Lns>
right
16:39
right
16:40
<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "root@Fibonacci:/opt# ltsp-upda" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/43
16:40
"Lns" pasted "root@Fibonacci:/opt# ltsp-upda" (30 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/43
16:42
<Lns>
ogra, any clues? :)
16:42
ogra, any clues? :)
16:43
<ogra>
Lns, are you using nfs ?
16:43
Lns, are you using nfs ?
16:43
somehow looks like it doesnt find the nbd being set
16:43
somehow looks like it doesnt find the nbd being set
16:43
<Lns>
not that i know of... it's a default ltsp install from hardy alternate
16:43
not that i know of... it's a default ltsp install from hardy alternate
16:43
<ogra>
grep nbd /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
16:43
grep nbd /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp
16:43
does that return a line ?
16:43
does that return a line ?
16:43
<Lns>
grep: /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp: No such file or directory
16:43
grep: /opt/ltsp/i386//usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp: No such file or directory
16:44
oh
16:44
oh
16:44
<ogra>
does /opt/ltsp/i386/ exist at all ?
16:44
does /opt/ltsp/i386/ exist at all ?
16:44
<Lns>
yes
16:44
yes
16:44
<ogra>
how about /opt/ltsp/images ?
16:44
how about /opt/ltsp/images ?
16:45
<Lns>
nope
16:45
nope
16:45
<ogra>
aha
16:45
aha
16:45
<Lns>
i nuked it
16:45
i nuked it
16:45
<ogra>
did ltsp-build-client properly finish wirhout errors?
16:45
did ltsp-build-client properly finish wirhout errors?
16:45
<Lns>
no
16:45
no
16:45
<ogra>
aha
16:45
aha
16:45
well, your chroot is borked
16:45
well, your chroot is borked
16:45
wipe it, rebuild
16:45
wipe it, rebuild
16:46
<Lns>
I did =)
16:46
I did =)
16:46
it still craps out for some reason
16:46
it still craps out for some reason
16:46
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:46
I: Base system installed successfully.
16:46
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
16:46
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally"
16:46
one right after the other - and nothing errors out in between whatsoever
16:46
one right after the other - and nothing errors out in between whatsoever
16:46
<jammcq>
out of space maybe?
16:46
out of space maybe?
16:46
<Lns>
jammcq, nope checked that
16:46
jammcq, nope checked that
16:47
<ogra>
well, scroll up ... there must be an error above
16:47
well, scroll up ... there must be an error above
16:47
<Lns>
the only thing is i put 2GB ram in, could that be somehow just crapping out ltsp-update-image and nothing else?
16:47
the only thing is i put 2GB ram in, could that be somehow just crapping out ltsp-update-image and nothing else?
16:47
<ogra>
debootstrap is quite silly if it comes o errors
16:47
debootstrap is quite silly if it comes o errors
16:47
"I: Base system installed successfully." is worth noting here
16:47
"I: Base system installed successfully." is worth noting here
16:47
<Lns>
ogra, i'll paste the log of install i directed
16:47
ogra, i'll paste the log of install i directed
16:48
<ogra>
ok
16:48
ok
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<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "ltsp-build-client log" (731 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
16:51
"Lns" pasted "ltsp-build-client log" (731 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/44
16:53
<ogra>
hmm
16:53
hmm
16:53
did you redirect stdin to stdout for that log ?
16:53
did you redirect stdin to stdout for that log ?
16:53
<Lns>
i did ltsp-build-client > 1.log
16:53
i did ltsp-build-client > 1.log
16:54
oh
16:54
oh
16:54
durrr
16:54
durrr
16:54
that doesn't do errors huh? (IANA scripter)
16:54
that doesn't do errors huh? (IANA scripter)
16:54
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2&>1
16:54
ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2&>1
16:54
<Lns>
bah
16:54
bah
16:54
<ogra>
err
16:54
err
16:54
<Lns>
hehe.. ok
16:54
hehe.. ok
16:54
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2>&1
16:54
ltsp-build-client > 1.log 2>&1
16:54
that way round :)
16:54
that way round :)
16:54
<Lns>
k... /me needs to hit the bash scripting books for real
16:54
k... /me needs to hit the bash scripting books for real
16:56
can i pipe the logfile directly to pastebot somehow?
16:56
can i pipe the logfile directly to pastebot somehow?
16:58* Lns found pastebinit
16:58* Lns found pastebinit
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<Lns>
ogra http://pastebin.com/f209d9c11
17:00
ogra http://pastebin.com/f209d9c11
17:01
guess pastebot.ltsp.org isn't compatible w/pastebinit
17:01
guess pastebot.ltsp.org isn't compatible w/pastebinit
17:02
<ogra>
hmm, doesnt look like anything is broken in debootstrap
17:02
hmm, doesnt look like anything is broken in debootstrap
17:02
<Lns>
it's so weird
17:02
it's so weird
17:03
could it be that i'm ON a thin-client right now doing all of this?
17:03
could it be that i'm ON a thin-client right now doing all of this?
17:03
even though i nuked the chroot?
17:03
even though i nuked the chroot?
17:03
<ogra>
no
17:03
no
17:03
th eclient runs off the image
17:03
th eclient runs off the image
17:03
not off the chroot
17:03
not off the chroot
17:03
<Lns>
yea
17:03
yea
17:04
it's just really weird because ltsp-update-image does nothing
17:04
it's just really weird because ltsp-update-image does nothing
17:04
<ogra>
ltsp-update-image only operates on working chroots
17:04
ltsp-update-image only operates on working chroots
17:04
your chroot is broken
17:04
your chroot is broken
17:04
<Lns>
it doesn't error out if nothing is found?
17:04
it doesn't error out if nothing is found?
17:04
<ogra>
it exits
17:04
it exits
17:04
<Lns>
k
17:04
k
17:05
my old LTSP chroot is 523mb
17:05
my old LTSP chroot is 523mb
17:05
the ones that i'm building now are 177mb
17:05
the ones that i'm building now are 177mb
17:06
<loathing>
ok, this gtkrc thing is still not working.
17:06
ok, this gtkrc thing is still not working.
17:06
<ogra>
you have only the bare base ... no X or anything
17:06
you have only the bare base ... no X or anything
17:06
neither a kernel
17:06
neither a kernel
17:06
it smells like apt cant do its job
17:06
it smells like apt cant do its job
17:07
do you have a transparent proxy in your net ?
17:07
do you have a transparent proxy in your net ?
17:07
<Gadi>
Lns: have you modified the server's sources.list (ie added your own repos)?
17:07
Lns: have you modified the server's sources.list (ie added your own repos)?
17:07
<Lns>
ogra, yes i do
17:07
ogra, yes i do
17:08
Gadi, i did see hardy-updates were there, yes
17:08
Gadi, i did see hardy-updates were there, yes
17:08
<ogra>
hmm, that might get in the way if it doesnt translate the html properly
17:08
hmm, that might get in the way if it doesnt translate the html properly
17:08
<Lns>
lemme turn it off and try
17:08
lemme turn it off and try
17:08
might drop..not sure
17:08
might drop..not sure
17:09
hrm..you might be onto something ogra - new advanced proxy (ipcop) got support for .debs
17:09
hrm..you might be onto something ogra - new advanced proxy (ipcop) got support for .debs
17:09
<ogra>
meh, "transparent" proxies are *evil*
17:09
meh, "transparent" proxies are *evil*
17:09
<gbolte>
lol
17:09
lol
17:10
<ogra>
massively evil
17:10
massively evil
17:10
<gbolte>
yeah they are I love it
17:10
yeah they are I love it
17:10
<johnny>
i need such a thing for install fests.. :(
17:10
i need such a thing for install fests.. :(
17:10
<Lns>
ogra, i've never had a prob. before :(
17:10
ogra, i've never had a prob. before :(
17:10
<gbolte>
our proxy setup is awesome
17:10
our proxy setup is awesome
17:10
<ogra>
just us a proper port ... you will run into more probs if neither the server nor the browser know there are proxies involved
17:10
just us a proper port ... you will run into more probs if neither the server nor the browser know there are proxies involved
17:10
<Lns>
guess i have now though! =p
17:10
guess i have now though! =p
17:11
<ogra>
s/us/use/
17:11
s/us/use/
17:11
<Lns>
i should have thought to clear the cache at least
17:11
i should have thought to clear the cache at least
17:11
<ogra>
heh
17:11
heh
17:12
<johnny>
lol.. ogra can smell apt
17:12
lol.. ogra can smell apt
17:12
but can he smell the super cow powers..
17:12
but can he smell the super cow powers..
17:12
<Lns>
haha.. yea, there's an update for advproxy too for new ipcop version that came out a couple weeks ago
17:12
haha.. yea, there's an update for advproxy too for new ipcop version that came out a couple weeks ago
17:13
haven't upgraded yet :( usually the addon tells me.. /me stops relying on that now
17:13
haven't upgraded yet :( usually the addon tells me.. /me stops relying on that now
17:13
<johnny>
warren, see.. the problem with rpm is the lack of those super cow powers,you should work on that
17:13
warren, see.. the problem with rpm is the lack of those super cow powers,you should work on that
17:13* ogra lols about the latest comment to vagrantc's tcsh bug
17:13* ogra lols about the latest comment to vagrantc's tcsh bug
17:13
<gbolte>
hmm we just use dans guardian and squid on gentoo server
17:13
hmm we just use dans guardian and squid on gentoo server
17:13
:D
17:13
:D
17:13
<ogra>
vagrantc, have fun :P
17:13
vagrantc, have fun :P
17:14* ogra would just have closed the bug as whishlist
17:14* ogra would just have closed the bug as whishlist
17:14
<johnny>
linkie?
17:14
linkie?
17:14
<Lns>
johnny, super cow powers? as in apt-get moo ?
17:14
johnny, super cow powers? as in apt-get moo ?
17:14
<johnny>
Lns, it always says this apt has super cow powers :)
17:14
Lns, it always says this apt has super cow powers :)
17:14
<Lns>
heh
17:14
heh
17:14
<gbolte>
apt-get moo poo
17:14
apt-get moo poo
17:14
<ogra>
johnny, not in the ML archive yet it seems ...
17:14
johnny, not in the ML archive yet it seems ...
17:14
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/thread.html
17:14
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/thread.html
17:15
ah, no
17:15
ah, no
17:15
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/001550.html
17:15
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-ltsp-devel/2008-August/001550.html
17:15
there it is
17:15
there it is
17:16
<johnny>
the ssh -O thing?
17:16
the ssh -O thing?
17:16
:)
17:16
:)
17:16
<ogra>
nah, tcsh support
17:16
nah, tcsh support
17:16
<johnny>
in general?
17:16
in general?
17:16
:)
17:16
:)
17:17
<ogra>
vagrant puts a lot of work into that
17:17
vagrant puts a lot of work into that
17:17
<johnny>
i've never used tcsh in my life
17:17
i've never used tcsh in my life
17:17
<ogra>
which is really a waste imho ...
17:17
which is really a waste imho ...
17:17
and now it turns out there is no $PPID in tcsh ...
17:17
and now it turns out there is no $PPID in tcsh ...
17:17
so the fix wont work at all
17:17
so the fix wont work at all
17:17
<johnny>
oops!
17:17
oops!
17:18
<vagrantc>
ogra: oh, i'm having a blast with tcsh.
17:18
ogra: oh, i'm having a blast with tcsh.
17:18
<ogra>
heh, yeah
17:18
heh, yeah
17:18
<vagrantc>
i test a patch, and it works, and then they want me to test something else.
17:18
i test a patch, and it works, and then they want me to test something else.
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<ogra>
make it whishlist and comment that we only support bash or POSIX shells ...
17:19
make it whishlist and comment that we only support bash or POSIX shells ...
17:19
i really wouldnt put so much effort into that
17:19
i really wouldnt put so much effort into that
17:19
<Lns>
ogra, http://pastebin.com/fa3a592 - looks like the same thing after proxy is disabled :(
17:19
ogra, http://pastebin.com/fa3a592 - looks like the same thing after proxy is disabled :(
17:20
<ogra>
yeah
17:20
yeah
17:20
<vagrantc>
give a tcsh user a centimeter, and they want a yard.
17:20
give a tcsh user a centimeter, and they want a yard.
17:20
<ogra>
:/
17:20
:/
17:20
lol
17:20
lol
17:20
tell them we only support zsh
17:20
tell them we only support zsh
17:20
or korn shell
17:20
or korn shell
17:20
but not tcsh
17:20
but not tcsh
17:21
<vagrantc>
i'll close it with a "document that we don't support tcsh" comment.
17:21
i'll close it with a "document that we don't support tcsh" comment.
17:21
<ogra>
yeah, thats good
17:21
yeah, thats good
17:21
and: "working and tested patches accepted"
17:21
and: "working and tested patches accepted"
17:22
<loathing>
zsh is awesome :)
17:22
zsh is awesome :)
17:22
<ogra>
its a fake ... there have never been xsh or ysh ... how can there even be a zsh
17:22
its a fake ... there have never been xsh or ysh ... how can there even be a zsh
17:23
<loathing>
zsh.org!
17:23
zsh.org!
17:23* Lns wants a vsh
17:23* Lns wants a vsh
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<ogra>
Lns, are you using sudo (or are you root) with your ltsp-build-client ?
17:24
Lns, are you using sudo (or are you root) with your ltsp-build-client ?
17:24
<Lns>
ogra, i'm root
17:24
ogra, i'm root
17:26
<ogra>
i really dont have ideas ...
17:26
i really dont have ideas ...
17:26
<loathing>
does ldmgtkgreet log anywhere?
17:26
does ldmgtkgreet log anywhere?
17:27
<ogra>
nope
17:27
nope
17:27
ldm does
17:27
ldm does
17:27
<Lns>
uh-oh, i stumped ogra
17:27
uh-oh, i stumped ogra
17:27* Lns runs for the hills
17:27* Lns runs for the hills
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<gbolte>
wb
17:27
wb
17:27
<Lns>
well i'll keep poking around...maybe try directly on the server or take out that ram i put in just to see
17:27
well i'll keep poking around...maybe try directly on the server or take out that ram i put in just to see
17:27
<ogra>
Lns, well, you could try the set -x with ltsp-build-client as well to try to find out whats stopping it
17:27
Lns, well, you could try the set -x with ltsp-build-client as well to try to find out whats stopping it
17:28
<Lns>
ogra, ok
17:28
ogra, ok
17:28
<Gadi>
Lns: have you tried "sudo ltsp-build-client..." instead
17:28
Lns: have you tried "sudo ltsp-build-client..." instead
17:28
<Lns>
Gadi, no
17:28
Gadi, no
17:28
<Gadi>
try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
17:28
try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
17:28
then, sudo ltsp-build-client....
17:28
then, sudo ltsp-build-client....
17:29
as a user
17:29
as a user
17:29
<Lns>
ok
17:29
ok
17:29
<Gadi>
(with sudo privs, of course)
17:29
(with sudo privs, of course)
17:29
<Lns>
ogra, replace set -e w/-x in the script?
17:29
ogra, replace set -e w/-x in the script?
17:29
<ogra>
jus add x after -e
17:29
jus add x after -e
17:29
make it -ex
17:29
make it -ex
17:29
<Lns>
k
17:29
k
17:29
<ogra>
beware that will get noisy
17:29
beware that will get noisy
17:30
<Gadi>
heh - gotta run, folks - Lns, good luck
17:30
heh - gotta run, folks - Lns, good luck
17:30
<Lns>
it's cool, i'm redirecting to that log ;)
17:30
it's cool, i'm redirecting to that log ;)
17:30
thank you Gadi
17:30
thank you Gadi
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<Lns>
i really hope this isn't something dumb i did =p
17:31
i really hope this isn't something dumb i did =p
17:31
i can't think of a thing though
17:31
i can't think of a thing though
17:39
hrrrrrmmm
17:39
hrrrrrmmm
17:39
ogra, looks like using sudo is making it get further
17:39
ogra, looks like using sudo is making it get further
17:39
"Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release [65.9kB]"
17:39
"Get:5 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy Release [65.9kB]"
17:40
wassa upa wita data? =p
17:40
wassa upa wita data? =p
17:40* Lns still refuses to use sudo on a regular basis
17:40* Lns still refuses to use sudo on a regular basis
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17:41* Lns feels more elite when seeing a #
17:41* Lns feels more elite when seeing a #
17:41* ogra only uses sudo nowadays and it saved his butt more than one time
17:41* ogra only uses sudo nowadays and it saved his butt more than one time
17:42
<Lns>
apt doesn't store per-user settings for anything does it?
17:42
apt doesn't store per-user settings for anything does it?
17:42
<ogra>
no
17:42
no
17:42
apt runs as root
17:42
apt runs as root
17:42
<Lns>
i don't get why using it would push it further along
17:42
i don't get why using it would push it further along
17:42
<ogra>
only apt-cache doesnt
17:42
only apt-cache doesnt
17:42
<Lns>
hmm
17:42
hmm
17:42* Lns notes apt-cache doesn't
17:42* Lns notes apt-cache doesn't
17:42
<ogra>
but apt-cache isnt involved here
17:42
but apt-cache isnt involved here
17:43
<Lns>
yeah - i just hate typing extra when looking for stuff =p
17:43
yeah - i just hate typing extra when looking for stuff =p
17:43
<ogra>
ah
17:43
ah
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<ogra>
Lns, so does it get through ?
17:53
Lns, so does it get through ?
17:53
<Lns>
ogra, yep! testing a boot right now actually
17:53
ogra, yep! testing a boot right now actually
17:54
<ogra>
ah, great
17:54
ah, great
17:54* ogra goes to bed then
17:54* ogra goes to bed then
17:54
<Lns>
thank you so much ogra
17:54
thank you so much ogra
17:54
you rock
17:54
you rock
17:54
<ogra>
;)
17:54
;)
17:54
<Lns>
i still wanna buy you a pizza
17:54
i still wanna buy you a pizza
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<ogra>
we'll get to that at some point
17:55
we'll get to that at some point
17:55
:)
17:55
:)
17:57
<Lns>
haha...well i'm still having issues w/my tc but that's another ball of wax
17:57
haha...well i'm still having issues w/my tc but that's another ball of wax
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<johnny>
btw... i can host an ltsp BTS at some point... altho.. it'd be a BTB... By the Bay
18:07
btw... i can host an ltsp BTS at some point... altho.. it'd be a BTB... By the Bay
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<Lns>
johnny, which bay?
18:10
johnny, which bay?
18:10
and what's bts?
18:10
and what's bts?
18:12
<vagrantc>
by the sea
18:12
by the sea
18:12
<Lns>
ah
18:12
ah
18:13
rawrg... major video corruption on geode GX2 ldm startup :(
18:13
rawrg... major video corruption on geode GX2 ldm startup :(
18:15
<johnny>
Lns, close to the chesapeake
18:15
Lns, close to the chesapeake
18:16
<Lns>
cool
18:16
cool
18:16* Lns lives near san francisco bay
18:16* Lns lives near san francisco bay
18:16
<johnny>
altho i am pretty willing to host any open source gathering
18:16
altho i am pretty willing to host any open source gathering
18:17
<Lns>
i think ltsp would be a cool specific gathering
18:17
i think ltsp would be a cool specific gathering
18:18
you remember hearing all the noise about windsor unified school district moving to novell/ltsp?
18:18
you remember hearing all the noise about windsor unified school district moving to novell/ltsp?
18:22
<johnny>
novell doesn't do ltsp officially afaik, they have their own thin client setup
18:22
novell doesn't do ltsp officially afaik, they have their own thin client setup
18:23
<Lns>
yeah - well it's ltsp modified afaik
18:23
yeah - well it's ltsp modified afaik
18:23
they've used a LOT of stuff from ubuntu
18:23
they've used a LOT of stuff from ubuntu
18:23
<johnny>
huh?
18:23
huh?
18:24
<Lns>
just their wiki has tons of references to ubuntu docs
18:24
just their wiki has tons of references to ubuntu docs
18:24
<johnny>
are you talking about the kiwi ltsp s tuff?
18:24
are you talking about the kiwi ltsp s tuff?
18:25
<Lns>
whatever novell uses, yeah
18:25
whatever novell uses, yeah
18:25
<johnny>
from what i thought i heard, that is not what they distribute/sell support for
18:25
from what i thought i heard, that is not what they distribute/sell support for
18:25
it happens to be on a novell site
18:25
it happens to be on a novell site
18:25
for community purposes i guess
18:25
for community purposes i guess
18:25
<Lns>
you could be right
18:25
you could be right
18:25
<johnny>
but it is not what they sell
18:25
but it is not what they sell
18:25
that's what the opensuse people here say anyways
18:25
that's what the opensuse people here say anyways
18:26
<Lns>
yea - that could be the case. i just recall lots of times looking at novell wikis and seeing refs to ubuntu docs/wiki pages with what they were doing/explaining
18:26
yea - that could be the case. i just recall lots of times looking at novell wikis and seeing refs to ubuntu docs/wiki pages with what they were doing/explaining
18:26
as far as ltsp style stuff
18:26
as far as ltsp style stuff
18:26
<johnny>
sure.. that is because ubuntu had the refererence implementation for ltsp5
18:26
sure.. that is because ubuntu had the refererence implementation for ltsp5
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18:28* Lns is sad he can't get his shiny new sym1112 going :(
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<warren>
whoa.
19:53
whoa.
19:54
I just realized that one of the older clients that disklessworkstations.com sent me is actually a GX1
19:54
I just realized that one of the older clients that disklessworkstations.com sent me is actually a GX1
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<warren>
oh, but only 64mb RAM
19:57
oh, but only 64mb RAM
20:00
wraplinux NBI is booting fine here.
20:00
wraplinux NBI is booting fine here.
20:01
Etherboot-5.0.5
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Etherboot-5.0.5
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<warren>
tagging ltsp-trunk soon
22:00
tagging ltsp-trunk soon
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<ball>
popey: stop following me ;-)
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popey: stop following me ;-)
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<ball>
hello johnny
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hello johnny
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<johnny>
hello
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hello
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do you know me?
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do you know me?
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<ball>
doubtful ;-)
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doubtful ;-)
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