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Channel log from 16 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<richguit>
g' morning all
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03:22
<siji_>
hi
03:23
richguit>,goodmorning
03:26
<richguit>
siji_: found the pxe probs?
03:26
<siji_>
yes
03:26
I fix it
03:26
it's working now
03:29
<richguit>
cool :) , did you take a look at the existing knoppix ltsp variants, maybe they contain good ideas for your project?
03:35
<siji_>
ok
03:35
but first I just wants to run ltsp
03:35
all the others are ready
03:35
I have to test it only
03:38
<richguit>
ok, what was the prob with pxe?
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<siji_>
The path of the kernel image was not correct
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<killsalad>
hi all
04:58
i've got a problem with sound on a terminal - dell optiplex gx1 which has cs424something card
05:00
durnig startup there is a mesage which says that sound card is busy - is there any chance to run sound on this terminal?
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<ogra>
the one and only Gadi ...
07:02
ey hey
07:02
<Gadi>
guten tag
07:05
<jammcq>
Bom dia
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<ogra>
jammcq, !
07:06
jammcq, do you have a common method to test NFS speed properly ?
07:06
i'm juat starting the ltsp-profiling spec and want to list tools/mechanisms to use
07:07
<jammcq>
what I did was using my laptop, I have both the Debian and Ubuntu chroot's. I configured dhcpd to cause the thin client to boot debian, and while it was running, I used a stop watch and ran iptraf
07:08
recorded the time and throughput
07:08
then did the same for ubuntu
07:08
i'm thinking there's probably some better tools for doing that
07:08
<ogra>
hmm, rather something empiric with no stopwatch involved :)
07:08
<jammcq>
well, yeah
07:08
but, ultimately, the user IS the stopwatch
07:08
<ogra>
i.e. creating a 10M file with "dd" and measuring with "time" ...
07:09
sure
07:09
but my colleagues will want something like bootchart :)
07:09
<jammcq>
that's probably a good test
07:09
<ogra>
and mdz too i guess
07:09
<jammcq>
bootchart will probably help us alot
07:09
<ogra>
well
07:09
so so
07:09
bootchart wont work on 32M systems
07:10
even with 128 it takes about 15mins to create the lng in the end here
07:10
<jammcq>
or 256
07:10
<ogra>
*png
07:10
(bootchart has a java based converter that maes a png from the raw data after booting)
07:11
<jammcq>
whcih machine creates the png?
07:11
<ogra>
so testing with bootchart can take a lot of time :) since you cant log in while it generates the chart
07:11
<jammcq>
seems like we could take the raw data from the workstation and turn it into a graph on the server
07:11
<ogra>
the machine its installed on ... in this case the client ...
07:11
right
07:11
that will need hacking
07:11
<jammcq>
might be worthwhile hacking
07:11
dunno what's involved
07:12
if it were perl, I'd do it :)
07:12
<dem>
is there any easy way of testing ldm localy on Xnest?
07:14
<ogra>
only the greeter ...
07:14
you can cd into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/shar/ltsp-client/greeters and execute the gtk binary ...
07:15
but that wont give you the functionallity of the backend indeed
07:15
<dem>
i was wondering if there was some magical way of doing it
07:15
<ogra>
its ot supposed to be run outside a client environment ...
07:15
so no development effor has been put into such a finctionallity
07:15
<dem>
right, except when your trying to test your changes
07:16
<ogra>
feel free to send me a patch ;)
07:16
(to make that work i mean)
07:16
also note that next iterations will be written in C/GTK
07:16
not in python anymore
07:17
<dem>
i'll have some time later on this week, so i'll probably "fix" it up to not really on any hard coded paths, etc so i can test it out of the bzr branch dir
07:17
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/ldm-greeter <- new code for the october release
07:17
<dem>
ldm, the greater or both
07:17
<ogra>
the greeter for now ...
07:17
<dem>
what's the reason for writing it in c?
07:18
<ogra>
even though i'd love to switch the actual bianry over as well, but thats something for later releases
07:18
speed
07:18
size
07:18
<dem>
does it matter that much?
07:18
<ogra>
well, size does
07:18
spees is subjectively biased ...
07:19
<dem>
well to be honest, i don't care much for the greeter but rather for the rest of ldm
07:19
<ogra>
a relogin with the C code takes 4-5 seconds while one with the python gui takes 8-10
07:19
the python code uses gnomecanvas wich is huge and slow to load
07:19
the C code only uses gtk standard widgets
07:19
<dem>
well afaik the olpc guys done a lot of work to speed up gtk/python startup on applications
07:20
<ogra>
might be, but C is still the fastest ...
07:20
and smallest
07:20
<dem>
i guess i don't see the need
07:20
<ogra>
the need is jammcq complaiing about long boots :P
07:21
ltsp 4.2 -> 20secs or so ... ltsp5 rather 90secs
07:21
we want to try to get the 5.x version at least near that
07:21
<jammcq>
heh
07:22
hey, I'm only Pre-complaining. the users will do the real complaining
07:22
<ogra>
in bootchart speak below 30 secs is my target for gutsy ...
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<ogra>
(which would be 50 secs or so in jammcq's measuring)
07:22
<jammcq>
ogra: is that from kernel startup to LDM ready ?
07:22
missing bios and kernel download?
07:23
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/feisty-20070405-1.png
07:23
i want to get this below 30
07:24
<jammcq>
well, that needs to be below 30 on the e2300
07:24
<ogra>
i.e. sped up the module loading and the ltsp-client config (specifically X here)
07:24
<jammcq>
which means it should be much better on the 1220
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<ogra>
that is a 1220
07:24
<jammcq>
yeah, I'm saying we need the e2300 to do sub-30 seconds
07:24
<ogra>
well
07:24
<jammcq>
well
07:24
<ogra>
i dont see that yet
07:25
simply because of the HW the e2300 has ...
07:25
whats that ? 233 or 300Mhz ?
07:25
<jammcq>
ltsp-4.2 does it in 41 seconds, power-on to login
07:25
200mhz
07:25
<ogra>
phew
07:26
i know what ltsp 4.2 does ... ;)
07:26
<dem>
i guess i'm just not seeing why worry about a micro optimization when there are bigger fish to fry (boot chart)
07:26
<ogra>
get some bootchart to work :)
07:26
<jammcq>
it's NOT the hardware, it's the SOFTWARE that is the problem
07:26
<ogra>
dem, bootchart ?
07:26
<dem>
esp for the extra effort
07:26
<jammcq>
dem: becuase 4 minutes and 45 seconds is WAY too long for a workstatoin to boot
07:26
<dem>
modprobe is like 50% of that chart
07:26
<ogra>
yes
07:26
<dem>
vs worrying about ldm which is extra 5 seconds (if that)
07:27
<ogra>
thats what i said above :)
07:27
<jammcq>
dem: considering LTSP-4.2 does the same thing in 41 seconds.
07:27
<ogra>
<ogra> i.e. sped up the module loading and the ltsp-client config (specifically X here)
07:27* jammcq has to shutdown now. mfdutra is coming to pick us up soon
07:27
<ogra>
jammcq, it doesnt ... it does the same thing in 20 ;) stopmeasuring stuff we cant measure ;)
07:28
<jammcq>
ogra: the user doesn't give a rats-ass what's going on during the boot. they know when they hit the power button, and they know when they can log in. That's the ONLY important thing to them. That's the thing that I'm timing
07:28
<ogra>
right
07:29
not taking into account that tftp will be totally bound to netwrok speed for example ...
07:29
<jammcq>
sometimes people get all caught up in the instrumentation, when the best thing to do is use a simple stop watch
07:29
<ogra>
what i want to measure is stuff that doesnt change, which i really can compare in an empiric way...
07:30
<jammcq>
ok, what I want to do is make users happy
07:30
<ogra>
well, we have bootchart which is the tool we use in our distro to measure bootspeed :)
07:30
right, me too
07:30
<jammcq>
surely there's a way we can do that
07:30
<ogra>
can you bring a 2300 to seville ?
07:30
<dem>
imho there's bigger bang optimizing xorg.conf setup (it does a dkpg-reconfigure on boot)
07:30
<ogra>
i'll try to make sure we'll get a monitor
07:30
<jammcq>
bootchart is good for analyzing what parts are slow
07:30
but in the end, power-on to login is the important thing
07:31
yes, I'll bring a e2300
07:31
<ogra>
dem, there is currently no other proper way to configure X reiably
07:31
<jammcq>
I'm hoping to bring 2 of them
07:31
<ogra>
good
07:31
even though one will suffice :)
07:32
dem, for feisty we sped it up a bit by queueing the dbconf-comunicate calls into a single one ...
07:32
*debconf
07:32
but beyond that we'll likely have to wait for Xorg to not need a config anymore
07:33
<jammcq>
ok, see you kids later
07:33
<ogra>
ciao :)
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<dem>
it be nice to have linux bios on some of these things
07:34
<ogra>
heh
07:34
well, not in the focus of ltsp yet ...
07:34
and surely not an area where i want to get my hands dirty :) imagine the trashed BIOS chips if you accidentially introduce bugs :)
07:35
<dem>
well i'm thinking more of the boxes jim sells, have them come with linux bios
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<ogra>
well, thats up to him, if he can support that
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<vanya>
ogra, I was reading your conversation about speeding up LTSP 5 and one crazy idea just hit my head :)
08:53
I am using suspend2 to hibernate my machine here, on fat client, this gives me real quick start up time
08:53
can't we use this on thin clients? :)
08:54
but we'll need to transfer large amuount of data in order to wake up our thin clients
08:54
<vagrantc>
i think some sort of suspend is/was already supported
08:55
obviously not suspend to disk, but suspend to ram ...
08:55
<vanya>
I'm using suspend to disk
08:55
it restores my desktop very quickly
08:56
don't you think that could work for thin clients?
08:56
<vagrantc>
so, how would you use suspend to disk without a disk?
08:56
<vanya>
we can store images on server
08:56
but the problem will be to transfer those images back to client
08:56
<vagrantc>
it would require very low-level support
08:56
right.
08:56
<ogra>
yeah, that would need a lot of kernel hacking
08:57
<vanya>
what is the maximum size of initrd or how is that thing called? :)
08:57
<ogra>
hibernate is as well depending on the bootloader ... so pxelinux hacking goes alongside
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<ogra>
it would be a cool to have thing ... but i dont think thats easily to implement
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<ogra>
i'll keep the hibernate option for fat clients in mind for our default install though, thanks for the suggestion
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08:59
<ogra>
(at least wit ubuntu fat clients that should be trivial, if not just work out of the box)
08:59
<vanya>
yes, that would be great for fat diskless clients
08:59
<jammcq>
ogra: lots of questions here in brazil about fat clients
08:59
<ogra>
jammcq, as soon as we have natwork auth ...
09:00
<jammcq>
yep
09:00
<ogra>
*network
09:00* jammcq is looking forward to that
09:00
<vagrantc>
skolelinux/debian-edu already has it
09:00
<jammcq>
it'll open up a whole world of possibilities
09:00
<vagrantc>
they've had it since the sarge-based debian-edu was released
09:00
<ogra>
apart from that sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and fiddle with LDAP yourself ;)
09:01
<vagrantc>
might have to tweak which directories get put into ram
09:01
for some applications
09:01
though we should look at unionfs again.
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09:01
<vagrantc>
at least for fat clients
09:01
<ogra>
in ubuntu its only gdm so far
09:01
for thin clients as well
09:01
i heard there are workarounds for nfs
09:01
<EversonCaratti>
hi, I need 2 paralel printer in a ltsp station. I tryed config lst.conf with PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 and PRINTER_1_DEVICE=/dev/lp1. then, I go cups and config socket://ws033:9100 (lp0) and 9200 (lp1) but don't print in lp1 !!!!
09:02
<ogra>
but i'D prefer to look into something like sshfs ;)
09:02
<vagrantc>
debian-live uses unionfs with nfs for network boot fat clients
09:02
<jammcq>
EversonCaratti: it's NOT 9200. it should be 9101
09:02
we wouldn't waste 100 port numbers just to get to the next printer :)
09:02
9100, 9101, 9102, ...
09:02
vagrantc: what does unionfs do for you?
09:02
<EversonCaratti>
jammcq, tks!
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: no need to have a hard-coded list of which directories to put into ram
09:03
jammcq: i.e. FOO need /var/lib/FOO to be writeable ...
09:04
<ogra>
jammcq, it merges directories transparently into one FS
09:04
so we have about 20 tmpfs mounts atm if you type mount on a client
09:04* McDutchie wonders why anyone would want fat clients. it seems to me like it defeats the purpose of LTSP...
09:04
<vagrantc>
it probably will result in a little more wasted ram, being the downside
09:04
<ogra>
with unionfs you will only see / again
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09:04
<EversonCaratti>
jammcq, I need upload any module TO try it ?
09:04
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, we have one tmpfs mount and many bind mounts :P
09:04
<jammcq>
EversonCaratti: nope
09:05
<vagrantc>
not that it's any less ugly
09:05
<ogra>
McDutchie, you can runn 1000 clients on a single server for example ... the load gets put on the client by keeping all advantages a thin client gives you wrt maintenance
09:05
vagrantc, well , indeed :)
09:06
<McDutchie>
ogra: but all programs would need to boot over the network, that seems very slow -- wouldn't it be better to just rsync everything to the local hard disk from a master image?
09:06* vagrantc suspects rsyncing regularly will be more slow than loading things on demand
09:06
<jammcq>
McDutchie: local hard disk? the whole idea of thin clients is to eliminate moving parts
09:06
<ogra>
if all 1000 start OOo simultaneously you will get HD speed issues i guess
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<McDutchie>
jammcq: yeah, but i thought we were talking about fat clients now :)
09:07
<ogra>
but with rsyncing you will add an additional maintanance level
09:07
<vagrantc>
well... if they all load it at once, they'll all be loading the same files and it should be cached in ram
09:07
<jammcq>
yes, but who says fat clients require hard disks ?
09:07
<McDutchie>
jammcq: i guess that's a point... hadn't considered that
09:07
<jammcq>
to me, fat clients just have more ram and faster cpus
09:07* vagrantc has seen "fat client" used to described disked machines
09:08
<jammcq>
if you are gonna put a hard disk in it, you might as well load a distro too
09:08
<McDutchie>
jammcq: that's what i thought, hence my question - but it makes sense if you eliminate the hard disks.
09:08
<ogra>
McDutchie, one big advantage i want to put into the ubuntu ltsp is a "golden workstation", one client that mounts the nfs export raedwrite, so the admin using this WS can influence the whole setup for the company
09:08
<jammcq>
there's a grey line that can be moved around, when talking about fat vs thin clients
09:08
<vagrantc>
the only case i can see for local hard drive is swap space ... much easier to maintain than a distro.
09:09
<jammcq>
via is working on a 2Ghz cpu. take that, and 1gb of ram, and you'd have a dandy thin/fat client with no moving parts
09:09
<ogra>
yeah
09:10
<vagrantc>
even a 1GHz ain't too shabby
09:10
<jammcq>
yeah, and those are available now
09:10
put a hard disk in, and the heat goes up and the power consumption also goes up
09:10
<McDutchie>
i guess with 1 GB of RAM, you don't need any swap anyway.
09:10
<jammcq>
then, you need a fan, and pretty soon, you haven't saved anything
09:11
<ogra>
ogra@edubuntu:~$ free
09:11
total used free shared buffers cached
09:11
Mem: 904712 813444 91268 0 21640 364672
09:11
-/+ buffers/cache: 427132 477580
09:11
Swap: 1951888 33904 1917984
09:11
<vagrantc>
well, if it's a hard disk that is only used for swap, and is able to spin down when un-used ... you might come out ok.
09:11
<ogra>
well, depends what you do :P
09:11
(thats my normal used laptop )
09:11
<McDutchie>
ogra: true, it does :)
09:12* jammcq wouldn't want to wait for a hard disk to spin back up when a page fault occurs
09:12
<jammcq>
clearly there's use cases where a hard disk would be fine
09:12
<ogra>
jammcq, pfft youre to imaptient
09:12
<jammcq>
:)
09:12
<vagrantc>
i've never had a problem with swapping to a drive that needs to spin up first
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<McDutchie>
for non-laptop hard disks it can apparently be bad to spin up and down a lot.
09:13
<vagrantc>
most of the time, swap is jus a place to put the junk you never really use. if it's anything more than that, you have a problem.
09:14* ogra gumbles about weird gnome-screensaver bugs ...
09:14
<McDutchie>
maybe it would be better to eliminate the junk, and the swap, then.
09:14
<ogra>
"my screensaver dies if the filesystem is full"
09:14
<jammcq>
ogra: any news on release schedule?
09:14
<ogra>
*sigh*
09:14
jammcq, we're testing still
09:14
<vagrantc>
typically, my machine boot up, caches about 8 megs to swap, and then stays about the same place for days.
09:14
<ogra>
apparently for RC atm
09:14
<jammcq>
ogra: so is it unlikely to be released on thursday?
09:14
<ogra>
yeah
09:15
<jammcq>
bummer
09:15
<ogra>
rather a weeklate
09:15
<jammcq>
ok
09:15
<ogra>
were you planninhg a reease party ?
09:15
*release
09:15
<McDutchie>
('junk' like that is the reason why i run IceWM + ROX on $JOB's LTSP server and not bloatware like GNOME or KDE.)
09:16* ogra goes fr futther iso testing ... bbl
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<vagrantc>
McDutchie: yeah. i tend to run low-resource systems. but that's not always an option for everyone.
09:16
<McDutchie>
true
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<vagrantc>
McDutchie: and even running plain icewm without rox or some other "desktop", i frequently see swap happening.
09:17
<McDutchie>
at $JOB people mostly run OO.o though, so no need for extensive desktop environments - OO.o is bloat enough all by itself :)
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09:18
<vagrantc>
there are some things that are used once at boot, and rarely ever again, that make sense to swap out to free the ram for more active things.
09:18
<McDutchie>
yeah
09:20
but even right now on my laptop (256 MB RAM and I do run KDE) only 2.5 meg of swap is used, so it shouldn't be much under slimmer environments unless you start doing photo/video/sound editing or something.
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09:26
<dem>
jammcq: now if those new via thin clients came with decent on board video
09:26
that be fantastic
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09:41
<str4nd>
How I can use cyrillic and finnish character set in LTSP (and switching them, kkbswitch(?))?
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<amsmith42hs>
So I want to be able to logon to with any client and take over a session (i.e. see what was exactly on my desktop at another client). Possible?
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10:01* McDutchie would also be very interested in an answer to amsmith42hs's question...
10:04
<Blinny>
I've asked that question before and received a "no". Perhaps things have changed since I asked.
10:04
NX, from fat clients, does this though
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<McDutchie>
thanks Blinny
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<vagrantc>
there's no reason you can't use freenx on thin clients.
10:13
or vnc
10:13
you just have to figure out how.
10:13
i most definitely can be done.
10:14
but it depends a lot on exactly what you need and how much tinkering you want to do.
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<vagrantc>
i don't think it "just works"
10:15
<ogra_thin>
you surelay need some scripting magic
10:15
*surely
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<amsmith42hs>
Ugh.
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<ogra_thin>
so this edubuntu iso is ready for RC ...
10:16* ogra_thin dances
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<vagrantc>
nice
10:16
<ogra_thin>
well, amd64 testing still pending ...
10:17
and the DVD tests ...
10:17
but both CD i386 isos are fine :)
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<amsmith42hs>
Wouldn't that be ideal though? Have one session per user and all changes made/documents saved stay with that user/session?
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<mhterres>
morning
10:52
<ogra>
afternoon
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<mhterres>
afternoon ogra
10:59
I was talking with sbalneaves in fisl and he show me some pictures from you guys
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<ogra>
:)
11:00
<mhterres>
I think is great when you can associate a nickname with a face :-)
11:00
<ogra>
yeah
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<str4nd>
ogra: (can you help me (16:40:46 UTC))
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<ogra>
str4nd, not sure, i'm very busy and need to go off and online all the time today due to edubuntu iso testing
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<str4nd>
:/
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<ogra>
but shoot
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<str4nd>
[17:40:46] < str4nd> How I can use cyrillic and finnish character set in LTSP (and switching them, kkbswitch(?))?
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<ogra>
which distro ?
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<str4nd>
kubuntu
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(because I think, Gentoo + LTSP isn't good idea ;))
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<ogra>
hmm, no idea then, i know in ubuntu/gnome you just use the language selector that installs the matching langpack then ...
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<str4nd>
umm, how it works in ubuntu?
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<ogra>
i guess kubuntu has a tool for that as well
11:20
you run the language selector, make sure the language-support package you want is installed and thats it ... then you can either select the language in ldm on login or set it in gnome via the gnome settings as you like
11:20
<str4nd>
Ok. How I can change ldm to kdm?
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<ogra>
i wouldnt do that unless you can live without sound and localdev
11:21
<str4nd>
Ouch, ok.
11:21* ogra is still looking for someone to write a qt gui for ldm
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<ogra>
i'd appreciate something like that for users like you, but there semms to be only user interestm no developer interest
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<str4nd>
:)
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<ogra>
if you know any QT programmer who would be interested point him/her to me
11:27
it only needs t run a fullscreen window with input field and print out user, pass, session, language it recieved from the gui settings
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<str4nd>
sounds easy
11:29* vagrantc considers an Xdialog implementation
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<ogra>
shudder
11:30
i have a tkinter variant here if you want it ugly :)
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<kevinl-->
hello
12:44
i was told that LTSP developed some kernel module so that linux machines can utilize swap space over TCP/IP
12:44
is that correct?
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<ogra>
no
12:44
we use the included nbd module
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<kevinl-->
i see
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is there any documentation of the implementation of that as it applies to ltsp ?
12:46
im working on a debian-live based network booting "thick" client environment
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<ogra>
the kernel documentation i guess
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<kevinl-->
with heavy RAM useable on the clients
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useage*
12:46
too much RAM useage unfortunately
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need to swap, but machines dont have hard drives.
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<ogra>
yo surely dont want network swapping if you can avoid it ...
12:47
but beyond that debian uses nbdswapd in ltsp5
12:47
<Guaraldo>
Jim just have quit Porto Alegre... he is going home...
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<ogra>
note that network swapping will slow down extremely ... we use it in thin clients only to avoid that the client hardlocks ...
12:48
or crashes the X server ...
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kevinl--: check the nbd-server/-client packages in debian ... also the nbdswapd script that ltsp-server installs
12:49
the client side is set up during client boot by the ltsp-client-setup initscript
12:51* ogra twiddles thumbs while watching an i386 ltsp chroot install on an amd64 edubuntu ...
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<phls>
oi, alguem do Brasil?
12:54
<Guaraldo>
fala, phls..
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<phls>
td bem?
12:55
a gente pode falar em portugues ou tem que ser em ingles??
12:55
<Guaraldo>
na paz...
12:55
que manda, phls...
12:56
<phls>
rapaz, eu tinha uma rede com 5 thin clients pendurados em umn servidor P4 2.8
12:56
com 1 gb de ram
12:56
agora troquei o servidor pra um P4 3.8 HT com 2 Gb de ram
12:56
instalei tudo, está funcionando
12:56
mas os clientes estão MUITO lentos
12:56
a parte grafica deles
12:57
usei o ltsp 2.4 com Debian Etch
12:57
antes o servidor tinha Sarge
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<Guaraldo>
4.2...
12:57
<phls>
isso
12:57
<Guaraldo>
tás usando swap de rede, phls???
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<phls>
humm
12:58
acho que sim
12:58
no lts.conf ta definido um swap
12:58
de 64 mb
12:58
<Guaraldo>
Pois é... o swap de rede cria muito trafego de rede e deixa bem lento...
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<phls>
uma opcao seria tirar?
12:59
<Guaraldo>
desativa o swap de rede e teste novamente...
12:59
provavelmente ficará mais rápido...
12:59
Ah!, e recentemente temos o canal ltsp-br
13:00
e é oficial...
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<phls>
ah beleza
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?-)
13:01
:-)
13:02
vou tentar aqui
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<ogra_thin>
7join #edubuntu
13:12
heh
13:12
yay ...
13:13
looks like edubuntu is ready for RC :)
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<mhterres>
Hey guys
14:14
afternoon
14:15
some pictures from fisl8.0
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http://picasaweb.google.com/mhterres/Fisl8
14:15
<Blinny>
My x86_64 totem throws an error every time I exit. The only info is 'has quit unexpectedly. you can inform the developers or you can restart right now' but the buttons are 'restart' and 'close'. I'm assuming this is an ltsp thing, as my other totems don't do so.
14:18
mhterres: Nice pics. Good to put faces to nicks.
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<mhterres>
yeahm I like this too :-)
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<mhterres>
Alberto is bengoa here
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<mhterres>
and Luis (with the eyeglasses) is Guaraldo here
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Marlon is mfdutra
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<bengoa>
Jim is jimmcq :)
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<bengoa>
and scotty is sbalneav
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<mhterres>
Jim is jammcq
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<bengoa>
oh yeah
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<kwaping>
does anyone here run perl on their ltsp boxes?
17:21
I'm trying to make a socket connection using IO::Socket::INET and it works fine from the server itself, but not on the terminal box
17:21
I think it has something to do with the terminal's filesystem being read-only, but I'm not sure
17:25
?
17:25
woops mt
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<yhan>
hi
19:02
what do you guys think about this terminal ? http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/details.html
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<cliebow>
yhan: i think they are very similaar to the ebox 2300..you need to speak to jammcq on it
19:05
are you in USA?
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<yhan>
no in Canada
19:06
http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=116666196119861&w=2
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<cliebow>
i tr5ied to get some..but the cost and prospect of wiring money to them put me off
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<yhan>
that tiny post seems to say that the term boots ltsp in 30 sec
19:07
<cliebow>
jammcq and ogra had some boottime problems witht em in ltsp5..like five minutes
19:07
<yhan>
do they look to be unclean ?
19:07
arrghh
19:07
<cliebow>
but they may have resolved that
19:07
<yhan>
I have now some visara 1783 term
19:07
that I got on ebay for a couple of $
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they boot in 9mins
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<cliebow>
all mine are junk
19:08
<yhan>
it;s a cyrix 233 mhz
19:08
<cliebow>
that in ltsp5?
19:08
<yhan>
yes with ubuntu edgy
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<cliebow>
netvistas are also cyrix board..they boot very fast in ltsp4.2..well 47 seconds
19:09
<yhan>
as I have to use the vesa driver for xorg they are too slow
19:09
I wonder if I could find some netvistas at work
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<cliebow>
i use the hmmm cant remember.. nsc driver
19:09
i think
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cyrix driver was useless
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<yhan>
I tried the cyrix driver
19:10
I got a black screen with the cyrix driver
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<cliebow>
jammcq is still ithink in porto alegre..so pretty much out of touch
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<yhan>
so nsc driver is compatible with the cyrix 5530 chipset ?
19:11
<cliebow>
the diskless works tation 150 is wicked fast..the netvistas video card is just worn out
19:11
i believe so ..on netvista..i may hve something on the netvista posted on the wiki
19:12
dont quote me
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<yhan>
search on google for xorg nsc driver
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and check the first result of the search
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<cliebow>
the netvista are perfectly usable except for the video card\
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<yhan>
if I could find a way to improve the video speed the visara terminal could be nice
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<daniQ>
cliebow?
19:14
<cliebow>
daniQ:hows your water?
19:14
<daniQ>
cliebow - there is lots of it
19:14
<yhan>
I found a way to use the sound card too
19:14
<daniQ>
and yours?
19:14
<yhan>
it's only has a oss driver
19:14
<cliebow>
i have used the sound card some..
19:14
<yhan>
with the asound lib it's works #1
19:14
but I had to install the asound lib from debian unstable
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<cliebow>
ive been wa t ching the next door neighbors cellar pumping steady all day
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yhan: mine wont load a 2.6 kernel so im sunk as faqr as ltsp5
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<daniQ>
i dug a trench with a pickaxe to give it somewhere to go
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<cliebow>
heh..that must have been good times..Gus help?
19:17
zJuds fence blew down into the backyard..thinking of suing
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<daniQ>
gus is always helpful...too bad about your neighbors fence...you must be really sad
19:19
the sound doesn't work again....
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<cliebow>
i am..im trelling em they cant stand on my new lawn to fix it
19:20
cause they wouldnt let us step a ladder on their side to paint the trim'
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upstairs
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daniq:you are on dialup ?
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<daniQ>
no dsl
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<cliebow>
ohh..cool..so you dont care about the modem anymore..
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<daniQ>
cliebow - they are obnoxious neighbors...and your new lawn is beautiful
19:24
<cliebow>
do cat /etc/issue...what version of ubuntu are you in now?
19:24
<daniQ>
i have a westell
19:25
<cliebow>
time for a raking...dogs and all
19:25
<daniQ>
edgy?
19:25
<cliebow>
daniQ: have you tried pandora.com?
19:25
<daniQ>
i fixed this problem before but i can't remember how....
19:25
<cliebow>
in another few days maybe update to feisty
19:26
i dont remeber either..
19:26
<daniQ>
oh god!!!! are all the bugs worked out? are their bugs with fiesty?
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<cliebow>
it is brand new..still beta..til friday
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<daniQ>
i'll wait a bit...i'm not a computer brain like you.
19:28
can you put up a really ugly fence to replace what was lost? chain link with some of that green plastic stuff...or blaze orange snow fencing?
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<cliebow>
i have an ibook that is rocking in feisty..except for support for ppc for nx..and for shcokwave..and modem
19:28
it is a problem keeping the dogs at bay
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<daniQ>
i want to get a mac laptop...if only they were less $$
19:29
what if her nasty dog wanders in your yard?
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<cliebow>
daniQ:try www.pandora.com..set up your own radio station
19:29
i can make a stew..
19:30
daniQ: i set up a heptones radio station..for my reggae..it ROCKS
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<daniQ>
too bad i'm a veggie...or i would partake
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<cliebow>
we could could the eveggies seperately
19:31
thi ^%&% keyboard is acting weird
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<dani>
cliebow - what is the url of the radio station?
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<daniQ>
i don't know why i was just kicked off and then got back on....funny
19:49
<cliebow>
www.pandoraa.com
19:49
www.pandoraacom
19:49
shit
19:49
www.pandora.com
19:49
sorry\
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<daniQ>
night
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