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Channel log from 22 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<papaf>
Hi all! I'm running LTSP 5.1 on ubuntu, and I'm experiencing extreme lag on various firefox 3 operations. For example, opening drop down menues in pages takes 5-6 seconds, and even menu windows are slow, albeit less. firefox 2 shows no such problems and is super fast. Where can I look?
03:23
<dipeshmehta2>
Hello all, I have successfully setup LTSP-5 on Ubuntu, my problem is that... I am able to PXE boot at a time on any one client only, if one client is running others get busybox/initramfs prompt...., how do I allow more concurrent connections?
03:33
<alkisg>
papaf: known bug, reported somewhere in launchpad
03:34
dipeshmehta2: do you see any error about dhcp before it drops to busybox?
03:35
<dipeshmehta2>
I think no, but wait... I just check the logs again
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<alkisg>
(e.g. ipconfig sends the "Linux ipconfig" vendor identifier string, so your dhcp server may refuse to lease an ip to it)
03:38
<dipeshmehta2>
but if I shutdown the first client... then the same machine where busybox was apearing... and moreover my dhcp server has pool of 30 ip to lease
03:38
<papaf>
alkisg: I know about that bug, but it seems that one is different. It seems that case is about heavy loading with 10+ terminals, while I have just one.
03:39
<alkisg>
papaf: the bug I'm talking about is related to some xlib, and it shows with even 1 client right clicking on a simple www page.
03:40
<papaf>
alkisg: oh, I saw another bug then.
03:40
<alkisg>
There's a workaround by using an old (or patched) version of that xlib... let me see if I can find it...
03:41
papaf: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb/+bug/277069
03:42
<papaf>
probably firefox 2 doesn't use that functions, right?
03:43
<alkisg>
Could be... try with the patched library to see if it gets any better, it worked fine for me
03:43
<dipeshmehta2>
alkisg: I checked logs, dhcp leasea
03:43
alkisg: I checked logs, dhcp leases were granted.....
03:44
<alkisg>
dipeshmehta2: each client should get a lease TWICE, did it?
03:44
<papaf>
alkisg: uhm, I doubt I could patch a jaunty install...
03:44
<dipeshmehta2>
alkisg: yes,
03:46
<alkisg>
dipeshmehta2: when it drops to busybox, do `cat /tmp/net*` and see if next-server points to your server
03:46
or, see if the clients report any error before they drop to busybox...
03:48
<dipeshmehta2>
alkisg: at client I get ubuntu splash screen for a couple of moments, then blank screen with cursor blinking on upper left corner for 3-5 minutes, and then busybox
03:48
<alkisg>
Remove the splash screen :)
03:48
<dipeshmehta2>
ok
03:48
<alkisg>
sudo vi /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
03:49
(or amd64, whatever you have for your clients)
03:49
<dipeshmehta2>
ok,
03:49
<alkisg>
remove "quiet splash" from that file
03:51
<dipeshmehta2>
ok, done.....
03:51
now please wait, I check again on more than one clients....
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<papaf>
alkisg: jaunty it's still downgradeable, it seems. It is faster now, although a bit sluggish compared to firefox2
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<alkisg>
papaf: I hope they solve this bug soon, it's rather annoying :(
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<papaf>
alkisg: do you happen to know what benefits does this xcb thing get us?
04:10
<alkisg>
Nope, didn't look into it
04:10
<papaf>
alkisg: I tried running firefox with strace and my God, a ton of futile calls. No wonder it's so slow...
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04:16
<dipeshmehta>
alkisg:I checked again: when first client boots, it gets dhcp lease twice, but on subsequent clients, they do not get leases twice, so they waits at IP-CONFIG: eth0 done, with address, broadwast gateway rootserver, all addresses to 192.168.1.1 which is not correct.... with rootpath and filename blank........
04:16
<ogra>
that sounds like you run another dhcp server somewhere in your net
04:16
<alkisg>
dipeshmehta: you probably have another dhcp server runing
04:16
<ogra>
snap
04:16
:)
04:16
morning alkisg
04:16
<alkisg>
Faster fingers :P
04:16
morning!
04:17
<ogra>
just waking up :)
04:17
they are not worn out by the day yet ;)
04:17
<alkisg>
How's it going with all the installations?
04:17* alkisg is writing the ubuntu0904ltsp greek installation manual... :)
04:17
<ogra>
well, pretty much done ... today is paperwork day ... writing announcements, preparing wikipages and docs
04:18
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all nearly all green :)
04:22
<dipeshmehta>
alkisg: no, I checked again.... there is no another dhcp server running....
04:23
<ogra>
no DSL router or anything that could run one ?
04:24
<dipeshmehta>
I checked my windows server and ADSL router.... both dhcp services are disabled
04:26
<alkisg>
dipeshmehta: let's get sure it is indeed a dhcp problem: append this line to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default:
04:26
IPAPPEND 3
04:26
It should boot this way. But you still have to solve the dhcp problem afterwards.
04:27
(IPAPPEND 3 should be an a new, seperate line in that file)
04:28
<dipeshmehta>
ok
04:33
after appending IPAPPEND 3 now it boots successfully,
04:34
<alkisg>
(it *could* be an ipconfig problem; I've noticed that it has more bugs than working code... :P - OK I'm exaggerating it's actually 50%-50%)
04:34
dipeshmehta: now, from a client, try running `ipconfig -n eth0` to see where it gets it's DHCP lease from
04:34
<ogra>
didnt stgraber have a solution for that ? some dhcp client you can add to initramfs
04:34
<alkisg>
udcpd
04:34
<ogra>
right
04:36
<alkisg>
(11:29:11 μμ) stgraber: droalt: just apt-get install udhcpc in the chroot, then do update-initramfs -u
04:36
(11:29:15 μμ) stgraber: and you'll get it
04:37
dipeshmehta: if it turns out to be an ipconfig bug, this should help you ^^^
04:37* alkisg has to go for a while, bbl.
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<dipeshmehta>
alkisg: ipconfig ------ bash: command not found
04:41
<alkisg>
dipeshmehta: on a local terminal, not one running on the server
04:41
What version is that?
04:41
<ogra>
ipconfig is a klibc command its not in your path
04:41
<alkisg>
It's there: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig
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bbl
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<jaume>
Hi! I'm using K12Linux under f10 I need help with LDAP auth. Is there a step by step HOWTO?
05:48
I can ldapsearch from another computer using an ldap user i've added, how should i config the thin client to get auth?
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<ogra>
stgraber, i'm pondering to add a UDS spec for "udhcp by default in initramfs", any opinion ?
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<dscastro>
morning
06:28
can i change windows manager, i think that gnome or kde are so duty!
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<knipwim>
dscastro: by setting LDM_SESSION = /usr/bin/fluxbox (or another wm) in lts.conf
06:53
<dscastro>
knipwim, ok, what about desktop shortcuts?
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<knipwim>
dscastro: you mean icons on the desktop? idesk can do that for fluxbox
06:56
<dscastro>
knipwim, ok, i think that gnome needs a lot memory
06:56
knipwim, users gonna run just erp
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08:03
<stgraber>
ogra: sounds good
08:03
ogra: I really want it in main because it solves a lot of issue there :)
08:04
<ogra>
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/improve-netbooting-with-udhcp
08:04
<stgraber>
ogra: will you have time for LTSP at UDS this time ?
08:04
<ogra>
if you have more convincing arguments for the text, let me know :)
08:04
i hope so, my team grew a lot the last months, but i'm not 100% sure
08:04
i should have time for one or two sessions though
08:05
will you register one for the amd64/dhcpd.conf issue ?
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<stgraber>
ogra: I've scheduled a general one about LTSP in Karmic, we may discuss it here as it's not the only item that'd benefit from having a different behavior when internet is up or not (I'd also like the langpacks to be installed when possible)
08:18
ogra: can you make sure these actually get scheduled ? IIRC these should have been proposed a while ago :)
08:18* ogra heavily objects the langpack installation ... really, ldm should ship the translations itself
08:19
<ogra>
it will eat tons of ram to keep the whole set of gtk translations in ram just for a button transaltion in a dialog thats rarely shown
08:20
<stgraber>
makes sense, we should check ldm-dialog then as I'm pretty sure it won't get translated if you don't have the langpack
08:20
<ogra>
stgraber, i cant make sure they are scheduled since i'm not in any team that would be responsible for ltsp ... try asking robbiew or dendrobates one of them might have it on his plate
08:20
team maangers decide what gets scheduled
08:21
stgraber, just use custom made buttons and put the translation into ldm
08:22
for localapps people will have to touch the chroot anyway and in that case they should install a langpack ... for a normal fully remote thin-client setup there shouldnt be any langpacks installed or loaded
08:22
<stgraber>
ogra: for udhcp, you may also say that it's actually in Jaunty but requires you to install udhcpc in the chroot and rebuild the initramfs to turn it on
08:23
<ogra>
well, i dont want to refer to ltsp to much here
08:23
what i'm proposing is a distro default to also push to debian
08:23
for all netboot setups
08:24
<stgraber>
sounds good
08:25
<ogra>
its a good point though that you only have to install it and run update-initramfs to make it the default
08:25
i'll mention that in the wiki
08:25
<stgraber>
what team lead should be contacted for this one ? are you going to do it ?
08:25
<ogra>
(once i get to the wikipages :P ... etoomanyspecs)
08:26
<stgraber>
for LTSP, I'll check with dandrobates, ideally I'd like to see it part of the ubuntu server community rather than being an education thing :)
08:26
<ogra>
yes
08:27
<alkisg>
ogra, for ipconfig you may say that it's not a proper dhcp client because it doesn't respect the protocol, i.e. it doesn't support lease renewal. You may also quote the current maintainer (hpa) that said that.
08:28
<ogra>
you dont happen to have a reference to that quote in a mail archive or something ?
08:28
<alkisg>
yes, I think I can find it
08:29
<ogra>
that would be cool
08:30
<dscastro>
how can i map serial devices? i must map serial bar code reader
08:32
<alkisg>
Heh someone is trying to push my ipconfig patches upstream: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511959
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<X-TaZ>
Hi here :)
08:36
alkisg, I just saw you name on my client's pxe. You rock
08:36
<alkisg>
X-TaZ: you mean grubgpxe? Heh it's a little disk I use for my schools, very handy
08:37
But it'll be replaced by dnsmasq acting as a proxydhcp server when the new version's out :)
08:37
<X-TaZ>
Does someone know how to make some load balancing with multiple ltsp servers ?
08:37
how yeah its very handy, thank you to have coded it !
08:37
<Appiah>
ltsp-cluster
08:37
<alkisg>
Did you see stgraber's ltsp-cluster ?
08:37
<Appiah>
but I never tried it
08:37
Haven't had time
08:38
<X-TaZ>
I'm gonna take a look at it. I have 200 clients and 8~10 servers wich will be clustered
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<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, see the ltsp docs, simple clustering is supported already
08:41
X-TaZ, look for get_hosts
08:41
<X-TaZ>
Thank a lot :)
08:42
<cyberorg>
if you want to see how it should work, you can check out live DVD from here ;) http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/
08:43
some details of how it works http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Cluster/Setup
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<Appiah>
kiwi-ltsp
08:45
does that apply to ltsp in ubuntu?
08:45
<cyberorg>
Appiah, yes, you'll have to add get_hosts script as mentioned in ltsp docs, on suse it is included in the client image
08:46
<X-TaZ>
I can't find get_hosts in LTSP's doc :x
08:46
<cyberorg>
X-TaZ, looking in the link in the /topic?
08:46
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
08:47
Chapter?17.?Session dispatching
08:47
<ogra>
Appiah, no, it uses kiw (as the name says)
08:47
*kiwi
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<Appiah>
:D
08:47
<X-TaZ>
Erf, my firefox did find nothing ( CTRL +F : get_hosts ) .. Thank you
08:47
<Appiah>
yes , no
08:48
<ogra>
while the ubuntu version uses the distro tools to build the client as the other distros do
08:48
<alkisg>
ogra, sorry, can't find it :( But you can quote the dhcp rfc :P "If the lease expires before the client receives a DHCPACK, the client moves to INIT state, MUST immediately stop any other network processing and requests network initialization parameters as if the client were uninitialized."
08:48
<Appiah>
right now I'm using not so real load-balancer method
08:49
just a DNS round robin to send clients to different servers
08:49
(2 servers)
08:50
but if this is growing larger I'd like something like ltsp-cluster
08:50
<ogra>
Appiah, get_hosts is several years old and included in ubuntu
08:50
<Appiah>
is it in the ltsp-docs ?
08:50
<ogra>
should be in the upstream docs
08:50
<Appiah>
Then I'll take a look at that
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08:51
<Appiah>
but that still means I have to sync my servers myself and so on
08:51
(can be made easier with scripts)
08:51
<ogra>
not sure Lns ever set up a doc on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ for that
08:51
well, you should have three servers :) one nfs-home and two app servers
08:52
<Gadi>
screen.d/ldm: if [ -x /usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts ]; then
08:52
screen.d/ldm: LDM_SERVER=$(/usr/share/ltsp/get_hosts)
08:52
<ogra>
the app servers mount home from the nef one
08:52
<Appiah>
I do have 3 servers
08:52
<ogra>
*nfs
08:52
<Appiah>
one for storage and ldap
08:52
<ogra>
right, what else do you need ? :)
08:52
<Appiah>
What I mean is a interface for me to just update all my servers to the same version for all the packages etc
08:53
<ogra>
ah
08:53
<Appiah>
if I make a change on firefox on appserv1 i need to do the same in appserv2
08:53
etc
08:53
<ogra>
landscape :)
08:53
but costs money ...
08:53
<Gadi>
wasnt there something like puppet?
08:53
<Appiah>
Like now It's just simple scripts to send config files here and there
08:53
<ogra>
yeah, but then you can as well do scripting
08:53
<Appiah>
to the other server
08:53
<ogra>
puppet is cool but all cmdline
08:54
<Appiah>
yes
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08:57
<Appiah>
since ltsp-cluster was supposed to have some sort of http interface to manage , I was thinking it would be easy to make some more features there with scripts to to manage stuff mentiond above
08:58
<X-TaZ>
How would you sync the users between servers ?
08:59
<Appiah>
dont , use ldap
08:59
:)
08:59
<X-TaZ>
does your coma is voluntary ?
08:59
<Appiah>
huh?
09:00
<cyberorg>
Appiah, this is the idea that is possible in near future http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient/Cluster
09:00
<X-TaZ>
"dont , use ldap" or " dont use ldap" ther's a diffrence :s ( i don't understand very well english )
09:00
<Appiah>
cyberorg: sweet
09:00
I mean "Dont sync the users"
09:00
"Use ldap instead"
09:00
:D
09:00
<X-TaZ>
Ok thank you
09:01
<Appiah>
sorry for the confusion
09:01
cyberorg: how far away is the near-feature in this case? end of the year?
09:02
<cyberorg>
to set up a fatclient(diskless node) is simple http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Fatclient so creating a cluster using those should be easy enough
09:02
possibly as near as someone writing a wiki howto :)
09:02
<Appiah>
do you know the big diff between this and ltsp-cluster ?
09:03
<ogra>
heavy client specs
09:03
<cyberorg>
ltsp-cluster is much more scalable
09:03
<ogra>
a fatclient cluster essentially needs a full pc as client
09:03
<cyberorg>
ogra, correct, but just diskless
09:04
<ogra>
an ltsp-cluster is jutst a clusetr of ltsp servers still operating in ltsp ode
09:04* ogra wonders whats up with the "m" on this kbd
09:05
<cyberorg>
ees too :)
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<ogra>
well, ees are at least appearing on the screen if i press the key
09:06
mms seem to start doing that only on a case by case base
09:07
<cyberorg>
it's getting selective now :)
09:07
<ogra>
the kbd isnt even 10 years old ... damned
09:15
<cyberorg>
i've got just 1 keyboard over 10 y old, quite a few keys don't work, the original "Cherry" keys
09:16* ogra uses a SUN kbd atm ... one of the first USB ones they had
09:17
<cyberorg>
oracle :)
09:18
<X-TaZ>
I was reading the web page of ltsp-cluster and I saw " ltsp-cluster-pxeconfig - Gets the configuration from the control center and generate symlinks for each node "
09:18
What does it mean ? Do I need thick package if my clients are using pxe to lan boot ?
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<stgraber>
ogra: is dandrobates just not on freenode or is he also missing on irc.c.c ?
09:38
<cyberorg>
ogra, you really need to try suse someday(no hurry), you'll get what "kiwi" is kiwi-ltsp :)
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<ogra>
stgraber, dendrobates :)
10:29
<stgraber>
ogra: hehe, indeed
10:29
<ogra>
stgraber, he is the server teamlead
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<droalt>
morning guys
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<droalt>
kinda slow today lol
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<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM: ping
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<woot>
To continue the past discuss, did someone here used ltsp-cluster
12:25
?
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<jammcq>
good afternoon friends
12:45
<Lumiere>
'lo
12:54* vagrantc waves
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<Gadi>
is that Mr Rogers?
12:58
oh no - he's not tying his shoes...
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:)
12:59* jammcq in fact is wearing a brand new pair of shoes today. can you say "comfortable"?
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<Gadi>
r u gellin'?
13:25
<Nubae>
had a discussion yesterday with some folks who claimed ltsp wouldn't scale
13:25
and nor would any centralised systems, which is why they were excited about 'cloud computing'
13:25
I hate that term so much
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<alkisg>
That and "web 2.0"
13:27
I don't think anyone can give a precise definition for those terms...
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<zamba>
how does ltsp work with virtualization? like vmware, vbox or xen?
14:05
<alkisg>
vbox here, works fine
14:07
<zamba>
what distro is your host os?
14:07
<vagrantc>
zamba: i use xen for LTSP servers, and virtualbox for testing servers and thin clients.
14:07
zamba: on debian
14:07
<zamba>
vagrantc: that works fine too? no hickups?
14:07
<vagrantc>
zamba: works great
14:07
<zamba>
someone wrote something here yesterday about nbd (or something?) not working if you virtualize it?
14:07
that you had to use nfs instead..?
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<alkisg>
zamba, vbox for guest and host
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<vagrantc>
zamba: don't know any reason you would have to use NFS rather than NBD, but Debian defaults to NFS, so that's what i've mostly tested.
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<zamba>
vagrantc: are you using other guest os-es too?
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<alkisg>
zamba, no, that's a "normal" error messages that's displayed but does not affect anything.
14:10
<zamba>
alkisg: ok
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<alkisg>
I guess the person that wrote it had other problems, just saw that error message and thought that was the problem.
14:10
<zamba>
and how does network work in xen? i want to be able to trunk different vlans up to my physical server.. is it possible to then get "native" network connectivity to the different guests instead of doing some NAT tricks and so on?
14:11
<alkisg>
(sorry, ubuntu for guest and host - my kid doesn't let me to use the keyboard :P)
14:11
<vagrantc>
zamba: i just use debian, though i have xen server running ubuntu as an application server.
14:11
<zamba>
alkisg: i gathered that much :)
14:13
<vagrantc>
zamba: no need for NAT, really.
14:13
zamba: but sometimes it's easiest, depending on what you're trying to do.
14:13
<zamba>
vagrantc: so you can trunk up to the host os and then run multiple vlans to the guest os?
14:13
<vagrantc>
zamba: i don't really understand what sort of trunking you're talking about. trunk has many meanings.
14:14
<zamba>
802.1q
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<vagrantc>
the typical configuration i use is two network cards in the server, one for the thin client network, and one to get internet access
14:14
<zamba>
that's NAT-ing
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<vagrantc>
zamba: like bridge-utils
14:15
zamba: no NAT involved- the thin clients do not have access to the internet
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<zamba>
i guess my question is a bit OT, since it really is about xen and not ltsp
14:15
yeah
14:15
so this is related to xen
14:15
the guest os running ltsp for you.. that gets its network connectivitiy how?
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<vagrantc>
zamba: i really don't understand what you're asking.
14:16
<zamba>
ok :)
14:16
on the physical server.. let's say you have only one NIC..
14:17
<vagrantc>
what a shame.
14:17
<zamba>
so only one physical way to reach the outside world
14:17
for the sake of discussion :)
14:17
<vagrantc>
in that case, set up the virtual server to get inernet access, and set up some virtual networks for the thin clients.
14:18
get internet access through the single physical NIC
14:18
trivial with virtualbox.
14:18
<zamba>
hm.. i should probably ask this question in #xen :)
14:18
it's not related to ltsp at all, so
14:18
<vagrantc>
haven't used xen as a thin client, so i don't know how that works
14:18* vagrantc is happy to pass the buck to #xen
14:18
<zamba>
forget those thin clients for a moment :)
14:18
this is purely a virtualization question
14:19
but yeah, i'll ask on #xen
14:19
thanks for your answers for the ltsp bit
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<warren>
CAN-o-SPAM: ping
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<warren>
if boolean_is_true "$SOUND" ; then
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# Detect and report a common problem with thin clients
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if [ ! -c /dev/dsp ] ; then
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warn "Sound requested but /dev/dsp is missing. Continuing."
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fi
15:21
uh...
15:21
what actually uses /dev/dsp?
15:21
that's OSS
15:21
I vote for removing this.
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<vagrantc>
ah, the good old days of OSS
15:22
don't really see much reason to keep it around... where
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s it at?
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<warren>
i'm removing it now upstream
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<warren>
/usr/bin/getfacl exists at that location on Ubuntu/Debian?
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<Gadi>
hehe
15:36
warren's been drinking happy juice
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:)
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<warren>
# Explicitly allow pulse user access to sound devices, ignore errors
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if [ -x /usr/bin/setfacl ]; then
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/usr/bin/setfacl -m u:pulse:rw /dev/snd/* > /dev/null &2>1
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fi
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/usr/bin/pulseaudio --system \
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any objections?
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<warren>
if your filesystem can't do fsacl's, or you have no pulse user, just ignore
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<Gadi>
you have a typo
15:37
you want: 2>&1
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other than that I say - what the facl?
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:)
15:38
er, what the facl!!!
15:38
die die die!
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<warren>
oh
15:40
Gadi: man setfacl
15:40
Gadi: man getfacl
15:40
<Gadi>
I was joking
15:40
<warren>
oh
15:40
I see
15:40
I'm rushed
15:40
<Gadi>
in the same vain as lets get the flock outta here
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:)
15:41
<Lns>
Gadi: fsck you buddy
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<Gadi>
in some dark alleys, attempts at such humor are met with waterboarding
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repeatedly
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hundreds of times
15:41
<Lns>
ha!
15:44* alkisg wonders why is > /dev/null 2>&1 is used instead of 2>&- 1>&-
15:45
<Gadi>
man sh
15:45
:P
15:45
<alkisg>
It's posix, isn't it?
15:45
<Gadi>
yeah yeah
15:47
<alkisg>
Ah, I see, sh sucks :)
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<alkisg>
Hmmm no, it works fine: sh -c 'ls . asdf 2>&- 1>&-' It even describes the &- on the man page. Well, whatever. :)
15:58
<Gadi>
shucks
15:58
as the sh folks would say
15:58
meanwhile, I know of know one who uses such syntax
15:58
*no one
15:58
man, its late
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<Gadi>
has anyone here experienced race conditions with audio? ie on some hardware with some drivers you sometimes get sound, and other times not?
16:42
I ask because I am tempted to put in code to alleviate such race conditions
16:42
code such as:
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unset soundcard_ready
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while [ -z "$soundcard_ready" ]; do
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amixer -c0 >/dev/null 2>&1
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[ "$?" = 0 ] && soundcard_ready=1
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sleep 2
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done
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of course, forked into a background process
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so configuring audio volumes and running pulseaudio would happen only once the sound card is ready
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<vagrantc>
hmmm...
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<Lns>
not sure if this is in newer versions (than hardy) but it'd be cool if ltsp-update-image had an --imagename switch so you didn't overwrite the current(ly being used) image and causing possible lockups on live systems
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<aminus>
hi is anyone here?
20:22
<Ryan52>
bi
20:22
err.
20:22
hi
20:22
no, nobody is here.
20:22
!question
20:22
<ltspbot`>
Ryan52: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
20:22
<Ryan52>
aminus: ^^
20:24
<aminus>
which ltsp would be good for an optiplex gx1????
20:24
<Ryan52>
what do you mean which ltsp?
20:26
<aminus>
theres 2 different versions 4.2 and 5. i believe...
20:27
<Ryan52>
!docs
20:27
<ltspbot`>
Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
20:27
<aminus>
thanks
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<Ryan52>
"The bare minimum for a thin client to work is about 48MB, but it will be unusably slow, so it is recommended to install at least 128MB Ram, with 256MB Ram if you can spare it."
20:28
"For using the default, secure mode of LTSP, you'll need to have a slightly faster CPU. Any 533 MHz or better CPU should provide acceptable performance. "
20:28
aminus: if it meets that, ltsp 5 should be fine.
20:28
aminus: otherwise, I dunno. maybe ltsp 4.2 needs less. but it's not maintained anymore...
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<aminus>
ok
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