IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<Hyperbyte>
quietone, LTSP uses SSH for authentication. Try to SSH to user@server from SCREEN_02, see if it spits out some error or warning about keys.
00:01
!screen_02
00:01
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: screen_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
00:01
<quietone>
I found that by copying .gconf from the working user to a new, non working user, the new one would start working.
00:01
<Hyperbyte>
Also see
00:01
!ltsp-update-sshkeys
00:01
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
00:01
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
00:02
Also, check permissions on home dirs.
00:02
If they're writable by the users.
00:02
Happy debugging. :-)
00:02
I'm off to dreamland. G'night.
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01:24
<Gadi>
!disable-compiz|echo quietone
01:24
<ltsp>
quietone disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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01:36
<quietone>
Gadi, that was it. Thank you very much!
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02:12
<sbalneav>
Evening all
02:18
<cliebow>
SCOTTie!!!!
02:23
<sbalneav>
Hey cliebow!!!
02:24
<cliebow>
enjoying the evening!! never saw "terminator1 before"
02:26
<sbalneav>
heh, the original
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02:36
<cliebow>
8~)
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06:29
<alkisg>
libpam-nufw: "...NuFW uses a strict security model and can apply different access rules to users connected on the same host, for example."
06:29* alkisg wonders if that would be a better way to block internet to certain students, than then squid/identd combination
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09:28
<Hyperbyte>
Gadi: like a boss!
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11:41
<andygraybeal>
good moornrnningingging
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11:51
<lifeboy>
alkisg: Do you have moment to continue where we left off on Sunday? I have put the results in http://pastebin.com/gcFCgjzG
11:52
I have also compiled the kernel again with no changes but to add r6040 to the kernel
11:53
<alkisg>
Can't you just compile the module and load it as a module?
11:53
It would be much saner than having to editing configuration files etc
11:53
You'd then use a stock chroot, plus your module
11:54
<lifeboy>
I suppose I could, I just had the impression I needed more than r6040 alone
11:54
<alkisg>
Like what?
11:55
<lifeboy>
At least that's what the manufacturer led me to believe
11:55
r6040 ethernet, rdc video driver and their audio, no cmov support
11:56
<alkisg>
If you need more, then ok
11:56
So you just edited those options in the kernel configuration, and compiled the kernel, and that's all?
11:56
<lifeboy>
But it does seem that the display may work with standard vesa as well
11:56
Yes
11:57
and I added the letter gts to identify the kernel
11:57
letters...
11:57
<alkisg>
(initramfs) mount -o loop /dev/nbd0 /mnt
11:57
mount: mounting /dev/nbd0 on /mnt failed: No such file or directory
11:57
Before issuing those, do a "mkdir /mnt"
11:58
<lifeboy>
ah, then it's happy with the command
11:58
<alkisg>
And after that, ls /mnt
11:58
Do you see the contents of your chroot there?
11:58
<lifeboy>
yes
11:58
<alkisg>
You've actually tried that?
11:58
<lifeboy>
yes :-)
11:58
<alkisg>
You didn't have problems with the broadcast address?         inet addr:172.16.0.24  Bcast:0.0.0.0  Mask:255.255.255.0
11:58
...which is zero?
11:59
<lifeboy>
not that I've seen anything that complains about it.
11:59
<alkisg>
OK
11:59
Do that again, with break=mount
12:00
Go to the initramfs prompt
12:00
Don't run anything there
12:00
Just ping me so that we run the nbd/aufs commands one by one
12:00
<lifeboy>
I currently have "break-mount" in
12:01
alkisg: ok, I'm at the initramfs prompt after rebooting
12:02
What do you mean by "just ping me"? I'm am irc noob
12:02
<alkisg>
ping == write my name
12:02
OK gimme 1 minute...
12:03
<lifeboy>
alkisg: ok, like this?
12:03
<alkisg>
Yeah :)
12:03
nbd-client 172.16.0.1 2000 /dev/nbd0
12:03
mkdir -p /cow
12:03
mkdir -p /rofs
12:03
(if you see any errors or warnings, write them here)
12:03
mount -t tmpfs -o mode=0755 tmpfs /cow
12:04
<lifeboy>
after nbd-client / nbd0: unknown partition table
12:04
<alkisg>
Ignore that, it's ok
12:04
mount -o ro -t squashfs /dev/nbd0 /rofs
12:04
mount -t aufs -o dirs=/cow=rw:/rofs=ro aufs ${rootmnt}
12:05
Oops sorry
12:05
before the last one:
12:05
rootmnt=/root
12:05
mkdir -p ${rootmnt}/cow
12:05
mount -o bind /cow ${rootmnt}/cow
12:05
mkdir -p ${rootmnt}/rofs
12:05
mount -o move /rofs ${rootmnt}/rofs
12:05
After all those, the root file system is ready to go
12:06
So you should probably see an aufs error before that, based on what you said
12:10
<lifeboy>
mount -t aufs gives error "mount: mounting aufs on /root failed: No such device"
12:12
alkisg: rootmnt=/root comes before the "mount -t aufs ...", right?
12:12
<alkisg>
yes
12:13
<lifeboy>
hmmm, but there is no /root at the time
12:14
ok, sorry, there is
12:14
busybox just shows nothing if there are no files in it, of course
12:14
for "ls /root" that is
12:15
alkisg: Should I continue with the commands after the error?
12:15
<alkisg>
No, the error is your problem
12:15
I.e. no aufs support?
12:16
<lifeboy>
yes
12:16
<alkisg>
So, your goal now is to put aufs support in your kernel
12:16
<lifeboy>
is it known by another name maybe in Ubuntu?
12:17
<alkisg>
find / -name aufs*
12:17
Or find /lib -name aufs*
12:17
No, it's known as "aufs.ko"
12:18
You should have a module in /lib named aufs.ko, and you should also have a /sys/fs/aufs dir
12:18
<lifeboy>
Maybe the problem is my .config file since it doesn't have aufs as an option, but the sources have it
12:20
<alkisg>
Btw lifeboy do you need specific kernel sources?
12:20
Or you can use the exact source as your stock ubuntu version?
12:20
<lifeboy>
I used the /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/config-2.6.32-34-generic as my .config file.
12:20
<alkisg>
If so, you could just copy aufs.ko from a regular chroot, no?
12:21
<lifeboy>
I'm using standard ubuntu 10.04 sources
12:21
yes, I could I would think
12:21
<alkisg>
So then just copy aufs.ko from ubuntu, and put it to your initramfs
12:21
<lifeboy>
I've got aufs.ko in the chroot
12:21
<alkisg>
Do you have it in the initramfs?
12:21
(02:17:08 μμ) alkisg: Or find /lib -name aufs*
12:22
(from your <initramfs> prompt)
12:23
<lifeboy>
but it's not in my built initramfs, but it's in the stock version's lib dir
12:23
<alkisg>
Copy it on your server's /var/lib/tftpboot dir
12:24
Then reboot the client, again with break=mount
12:24
We'll try to get it via tftp to see if that solves your problem
12:24
Or just regenerate your initramfs, whatever's easiest for you
12:24
<lifeboy>
yes, will do... gimme 10 to just grab lunch, otherwise it'll be cold soon ;-)
12:27* lifeboy is away: will be back in 10 - 20 minutes
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12:42
<Matrix3000-Home>
good morning everyone
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12:50
<andygraybeal>
heyaaa m3k
12:52* lifeboy is back
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<lifeboy>
duh, how to I undo my "away" status? /away complains that I should add a reason
12:57* lifeboy wants to know how to undo his "away" status? /away complains that he should add a reason
12:58
<lifeboy>
hmm, it seems just saying something brings me back. Is that correct?
12:59
But there's lag in effectively being back...
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13:16* Matrix3000 is hungry
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13:28
<andygraybeal>
matrix3000, bro, i just got me a plate of roasted butternut squash, braised collard greens, two sunny-side eggs, raw monterey jack cheese with a chile blend, diced onions, and to top it off - it comes with strawberry fatale chili salsa :)
13:29
it's like breakfest and a wake up kick in the face all at once.
13:30
it makes me snot and cry every time i eat it, which is every day i come in to work :)
13:30
<lifeboy>
:-) Reading the /HELP stuff... /BACK is pretty logical I suppose
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<andygraybeal>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalii
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13:48
<Matrix3000>
andygraybeal, that looks like my kind of hot sause
13:48
sauce*
13:49
<andygraybeal>
well, it's not exactly what i had, but yea - the chili is what counts :)
13:49
it's hot :)
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<andygraybeal>
heya khildin
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15:10
<Matrix3000>
its a quiet day in her
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15:14
<sbalneav>
Morning all.
15:16
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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15:25
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
15:25
<Matrix3000>
Morning
15:25
im working on ldap management
15:25
think i need to create a ldif to import to ldap
15:25
for ltsp
15:25
so i can restrict accounts access
15:26
<sbalneav>
LTSP had a schema, and there's also an OID that's been assigned to LTSP
15:26
Are you talking about ldapifying the lts.conf file? or something else?
15:27
<Matrix3000>
yes
15:28
ldapifying the lts.conf, and settings schema management in fusiondirectory
15:28
it's a current project
15:28
over there
15:28
<sbalneav>
Have you seen the original ldap schema?
15:28
<jammcq>
9888
15:29
that's our enterprise number from IANA
15:29
<Matrix3000>
oh really
15:29
link?
15:30
<jammcq>
http://www.iana.org/assignments/enterprise-numbers
15:30
we applied for that about 10 years ago
15:30
<sbalneav>
iirc, skolelinux used to have an LDAP schema for ltsp
15:31
bbiab, work
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15:40
<Matrix3000>
ok, ill take a look at it
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15:40
<Matrix3000>
do you have the ldif for me to look at
15:40
for download anywhere?
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15:44
<sbalneav>
Matrix3000: I'll try to find it this evening. I think I have it at home somewhere
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15:49
<jammcq>
bengoa: bom dia
15:49
or rather, boa tarde
15:49
<bengoa>
jammcq: boa tarde :)
15:49
here I'm, enjoying the holiday
15:50
<jammcq>
how was the bbq ?
15:50
<bengoa>
was fantastic. The guys stays there up to mid-night
15:52
we save a bone for you
15:52
<jammcq>
:)
15:52
and one for scotty
15:52
<bengoa>
sure
15:54
where is sbalneav?
15:54
<jammcq>
here's here in the channel somewhere
15:54
!seen sbalneav
15:54
<ltsp>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 10 minutes and 34 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Matrix3000: I'll try to find it this evening. I think I have it at home somewhere
15:54
<bengoa>
hahahaha
15:54
awesome :)
15:55
He's probably running to get his bone :)
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16:08
<sbalneav>
hey ho
16:08
<bengoa>
let's go
16:09
<sbalneav>
Eurgh. So last night I figured out the recursion problem with the nss_sshsock library
16:10
Basically, if you put sshsock before compat, and do an nss query, the machine starts forking off an infinite number of lookups.
16:10
So, I'm using popen() to run the ssh command
16:16
and popen spawns a shell, which inherets the environment variables that cause it to poke the nss library again.
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<sbalneav>
so I have to re-implement popen() but use execve() and clean the environment so that those two env variables aren't there :)
16:16
*sigh* it's always something.
16:17
fortunately, however, it's fairly easy to fix.
16:23
<jammcq>
can't you just use popen, and prepend your ssh command with: env BADVAR="" OTHERBADVAR="" ssh ....
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<Matrix3000>
nice
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: Might work.
16:54
worth a try anyway
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<vagrantc>
hot diggity. libnss-sshsock made it into debian unstable!
17:12
<Matrix3000>
what is libnss-sshsock?
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<Matrix3000>
ssh auth?
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<vagrantc>
it's part of our master plans for the future of LTSP
17:14
there's libpam-sshauth and libnss-sshsock ... they're used to authenticate and get user/group info over ssh
17:17
<Matrix3000>
ah ok, this has no affect then on ldap authentication correct
17:18
<sbalneav>
Matrix3000: They're a pam module and nss module that allow remote machines to authenticate via ssh'ing into a remote machine, and then obtaining nss information over an ssh socket
17:18
<vagrantc>
Matrix3000: it's a hopefully simpler alternative to ldap auth
17:20
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: I think I figured out what the recursion problem is. I'll do some work on it today.
17:20
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: be sure to increment the version ... 0.1 is in the wild :)
17:22
<sbalneav>
yeah, if this fixes it, I'll bump to 0.2
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<bengoa>
sbalneav: if you and vagrantc needs any helps please lemme know. Maybe I could help
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18:27
<pingufan>
Hello. Please, if someone knows ... I would like to use automatic logins, but the login screen shall pause for ~20 seconds to give the user the possibility to choose shutdown the client.
18:27
Is this possible?
18:27
During my googleing in last days I saw an option for that, but I cannot remember where.
18:28
<mgariepy>
pingufan, you can use guest login instead
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<pingufan>
What is that?
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<mgariepy>
about the same as autologin but instead of login automaticly it show up a button in LDM for guest login
18:29
<pingufan>
And can the client then login as a regular user?
18:29
<mgariepy>
yes
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<mgariepy>
or use the guest login button
18:30
<pingufan>
And can the client enter any username/password then/still ?
18:31
<mgariepy>
yes the user can enter username and password or click on the guestlogin button
18:31
<pingufan>
This is what I do not want, as this allows that multiple clients can then login with same name. Not very good for KDE
18:32
When the user can only click on login or shutdown client, it is what I am actually looking for.
18:32
And username/password is predefined.
18:33
Another option would be to do a local shutdown when clicking an icon on KDE
18:33
But KDE is coming from the server.
18:34
Or how do i correctly shutdown the client when autologin is enabled?
18:35
I assume that a long press on power button is not the right way.
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<Matrix3000>
sbalneav: oh ok, thank you
18:45
vagrantc: thank you for explaining it
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19:14
<sbalneav>
Launchpad having problems?
19:14
Can't seem to pull
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<sbalneav>
Ah, works now.
19:17
launchpad was napping
19:20
jammcq: ping
19:20
Nicely done sir.
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: ping
20:05
Or, for the rest of the channel...
20:05
What's the best way to handle this?
20:06* vagrantc awaits
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20:09
<sbalneav>
I want to have a changelog
20:10
And ideally, what I want to do is just "bzr log > ChangeLog"
20:10
But, of course, if I do that...
20:10
I generate ANOTHER change I have to commit.
20:11* alkisg likes the idea of having a separate commit for each published version, where the only things that change are the version number in the sources + the changelog itself
20:12
<vagrantc>
that's not too bad
20:12
what alkisg said
20:13
<alkisg>
And I guess that can be scripted to do the bzr log > changelog bit
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20:13
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the other thing, with the advent of dpkg source format 3.0, maintaining the debian dir upstream isn't as annoying as it used to be.
20:14
unless we start having different upstreams...
20:15
er, different downstreams (i.e. debian and ubuntu's debian dirs diverge)
20:15
then it becomes a headache
20:16* alkisg reads about `bzr tag`...
20:17
<vagrantc>
i could just maintain a debian branch that ships all the debian dir stuff, and just merges the upstream branch when i start packaging a new upstream version for debian.
20:17
sbalneav: we could use the mkdst approach, but not run all the autofoo.
20:18
<sbalneav>
I'm trying to do what alkis wants, but I'm having the old chicken and egg problem
20:19
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: well, if you generate the log, all it would miss is the "committing version foo" commit.
20:19
<sbalneav>
right
20:20
It just annoys my delicate sensibilities :)
20:20
<vagrantc>
heh
20:20
<sbalneav>
hold on, 0.2 will be out shortly.
20:20
<vagrantc>
heh
20:22
<alkisg>
sbalneav: `my-release msg`: bzr commit -m $msg; log --gnu-changelog > Changelog; bzr uncommit; bzr commit -m $msg
20:22
:P
20:22
<vagrantc>
oh evil.
20:23
<alkisg>
OK the last changelog entry can be created from the script, not from bzr log :D
20:26
<sbalneav>
ok, 0.2 out
20:26
rev 24
20:26
<Matrix3000>
0.2 of what?
20:27
<sbalneav>
AND: vagrantc check for me; it shouldn't matter now where you put the sshsock on the nss line.
20:27
Matrix3000: nss_sshsock
20:27
<Matrix3000>
oh ha
20:27
did you find the ltsp ldap schema?
20:27
<sbalneav>
I figured out what the problem actually was last night, and was going to fix it, and jammcq suggested a simpler fix
20:28
<Matrix3000>
nice sweet
20:28
<sbalneav>
Matrix3000: I'm still at work, I'll look for it tonight when I get home.
20:28
<Matrix3000>
wish i could help at that part
20:30
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: will see if i can carve out some time to confirm ... might not be till the weekend
20:31
<sbalneav>
That's fine.
20:31
It works for me here now
20:31
<vagrantc>
i've got a few minor packaging changes i should do as well.
20:32
<sbalneav>
If there should be something "upstream" that would make packaging easier, let me know.
20:33
This is the first time I've ever dealt with libtool for autoconf stuff, so I'm not 100% sure if I've got it right.
20:34
<vagrantc>
seems mostly right... i only had to make a few minor tweaks
20:34
and i'm not sure they're your fault ... more libtools bugs
20:37
<sbalneav>
The fact that libtool copies a bunch of m4 macros into your source directory seems perverse.
20:38
<vagrantc>
i think it uses symlinks, but it's annoying... dh-autoreconf works around the limitations of that, thankfully.
20:38
<sbalneav>
I mean, I can see having the option there if you're doing something really bizarre that you need to tweak the systems ones. But by default, I'd like to think it could just point to the system ones.
20:39
I'm not sure what the intention is: if you do a "make dist" you have to essentially ditribute those macros. It's wierd
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20:44
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte suggested that we shouldn't use school-related names in epoptes. What should we use instead of "classrooms"? "Labs"? "Groups"?
20:44
Related screenshots, I'm talking about the left pane: http://italc.sourceforge.net/screenshots/italc-1.0.0_2.jpg http://www.epoptes.org/_/rsrc/1318626861799/about/epoptes.png
20:44
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, something more generic would be useful
20:44
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, groups. :-D
20:44
<alkisg>
Groups is ok? Cool, ty
20:44
<Matrix3000>
I would prefer gruops
20:45
Groups works in both enterprise/education/etc evironments
20:45
<vagrantc>
group doesn't presume a particular type of organization
20:45
<Matrix3000>
instead of just one type of organization
20:45
yea, basically :)
20:45
<alkisg>
And the "Discovered computers"? I want a small caption there...
20:45
Italc uses "Autodetected computers", remmina just "Discovered"
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20:46
<vagrantc>
or simply "detected computers"
20:46
<alkisg>
That's smaller, good!
20:47
<Matrix3000>
Detected Systems
20:47* vagrantc likes detected systems
20:47
<alkisg>
It should be consistent with how we call the clients in general
20:47
<sbalneav>
detected silicon based lifeforms
20:47
<alkisg>
Computers? Workstations? Clients? Systems?
20:48
<Matrix3000>
Detected Clients?
20:48* Hyperbyte detects vagrantc's system
20:48
<Matrix3000>
ahaha
20:48
shorter is better right?
20:48
what will people understand easier
20:48
<alkisg>
Yup, as long as it keeps the correct meaning
20:48
<sbalneav>
"things found"
20:48
<Matrix3000>
thin client fat client
20:48
<sbalneav>
x whatchamacallits
20:48
<Matrix3000>
commonality is client
20:49
<sbalneav>
I'm just being silly. Ignore me. :)
20:49
off for a bit.
20:49
<Matrix3000>
actually look at the image sample, "Client01"
20:49
<alkisg>
It's bad that ltsp only has thin and fat clients, and no regulars...
20:49
<Matrix3000>
"client02", "client03"
20:49
<alkisg>
Yes but that's just a name selected by some greek weird guy
20:50
<Matrix3000>
ahahaha
20:50
<alkisg>
I wouldn't trust him to propose correct names for my app :P
20:50
<Matrix3000>
System is universal
20:50
computer is same
20:53* vagrantc thinks systems is correct
20:53
<vagrantc>
it applies to thin clients, fat clients, or probably other types of thingamawhazits we haven't thought of.
20:53
<Matrix3000>
yea
20:53
<alkisg>
Examples: nx users, x2go users, vnc users, xdmcp users...
20:54
And not only on the server, but on fat clients or standalone clients too
20:54
<Matrix3000>
yea
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<alkisg>
E.g. if we have 1 standalone computer in the classroom (not the server) with 3 nx users connected to it, and 1 local, epoptes would show 4 icons
20:54
So, 4 "systems"?
20:54
<Matrix3000>
contain any combination of the following: LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, non LTSP servers, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. 
20:54
yea
20:55
<alkisg>
Nice, thank you guys
20:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, they're connecting via some sort of system, even if some of the code is running on the same machine.
20:55
alkisg: or sessions
20:55
detected sessions
20:55
though a logged out system isn't really much of a session ...
20:56
<alkisg>
What about "clients", in the "epoptes-client" sense?
20:56
<Hyperbyte>
Systems, clients, screens, displays, users, ...
20:56
<vagrantc>
there's that, too
20:57
<Matrix3000>
yea
20:57
<alkisg>
We do have system clients running as root, and session clients running as the connected user
20:57
So maybe we can just leave it "clients", it will be easier for the existing translations too :D
20:57
<vagrantc>
sure
20:57
<Matrix3000>
ok
20:58
when did you take over teh epoptes code?
20:58
just wondering abotu the whole rewrite
20:58
<alkisg>
What do you mean take over? We started it
20:59
You mean the rewrite from sch-scripts to epoptes?
20:59
Sch-scripts was our app too, but it required root privileges
20:59
Because it also offered chroot manipulation (create, update, compress, etc)
20:59
And user account creation, programs list installation etc etc
21:00
<Matrix3000>
oh ok
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<alkisg>
So we stripped all the stuff requiring root access, and we made epoptes, and refined it in the process
21:00
<Matrix3000>
I was just wondering, all this time in #ltsp and I never heard you guys talk of it until now
21:01
<alkisg>
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/?u=username&k=epoptes
21:03
<Matrix3000>
Phantomas is the main developer of the new tool, called "epoptes" - you can bug him to release sooner :D
21:03
haha
21:03
so this is really a new system
21:03* alkisg is bugging him in the other channel right now :D
21:03
<Matrix3000>
ahahahaha
21:03
you guys are hilarious
21:03
<alkisg>
Yes, it's been in use for 1 year as "sch-scripts", and this is its second year, trying to get an international user base
21:03* vagrantc is the fool they duped into uploading it to debian
21:04
<jammcq>
vagrantc: it's cool to be a fool
21:04* alkisg is planning on exposing a lot of security holes after it gets to debian stable, to ruin vagrantc's reputation :D
21:05
<vagrantc>
dlffjsgfahf
21:05
<Matrix3000>
oh, that's disgraceful alkisg
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<Matrix3000>
so will epoptes also allow the main computer to chat with the clients
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<alkisg>
define chat
21:06
<vagrantc>
you can send messages
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<alkisg>
Ah, IM style chat
21:07* vagrantc waves to Gadi
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<alkisg>
Not yet but you can file a wishlist bug :)
21:07
Although empathy has a feature for chatting with nearby computers, no?
21:08
<Matrix3000>
ahahaha
21:08
yes it does
21:08
we use pidgin mainly though
21:08* Matrix3000 wishes we used empathy actually
21:10
<vagrantc>
alkisg: looks like the perl related build-deps are cleared up ... i could try another epoptes upload
21:10
<alkisg>
vagrantc: sure, we don't have any commits coming up soon, the next one will be the groups one, and I'd like to test that for a couple of weeks before you uploading it to debian
21:10
So it's a good time for unstable
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<Matrix3000>
how how stable is epoptes currently
21:12
<alkisg>
It's should be pretty stable atm
21:13
<Matrix3000>
ok cause was wanting to do italc, but if this solution is better :)
21:13
<alkisg>
We have 2 PPAs, one stable and one proposed
21:13
<Matrix3000>
no windows client though right
21:13
<alkisg>
If you stick to the stable one, supposedly you shouldn't have any big problems
21:13
No, no windows client
21:14
<Matrix3000>
now the epoptes-server can run on my local ubuntu machine right
21:15
<alkisg>
Yes
21:15
<Matrix3000>
does the management system have to be on teh epoptes-server
21:16
ill make image of what i want to do
21:16
<alkisg>
The gui must be ran on the same system where the daemon runs
21:16
So if it's an ltsp server, you can run it from the server, from a thin client, or with remoteapps from a fat client
21:19
<Matrix3000>
so i could do remoteapps epoptes-gui
21:19
or something like that
21:19
<alkisg>
Yes
21:19
<Matrix3000>
ah ok
21:19
i think i'd have to do that
21:19
<alkisg>
ltsp-remoteapps epoptes
21:22
<Matrix3000>
ah ok
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<Matrix3000>
http://screencast.com/t/Thhjk1WnhZSA
21:23
that's a super simple setup
21:23
of what i have
21:23
so if i have a vm on my computer that network boots to ltsp server
21:23
i can do it then
21:24
<alkisg>
Er, you can just ssh -X to the server
21:24
No need for a VM
21:24
<Matrix3000>
i don't run ubuntu on my machine
21:24
i have windows because of gay networking tools for cisco
21:24
<alkisg>
Windows? nx then
21:25
<Matrix3000>
i don't have nx installed on the ltsp server though?
21:26
<alkisg>
Well, apt-get install neatx-server, done
21:26
<Matrix3000>
lol
21:27
<alkisg>
Or http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/
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<Matrix3000>
k
21:33
and it doesn't ahve to be a local app right
21:33
on the thin clients
21:34
<alkisg>
You need to install epoptes-client in the chroot
21:34
It's not a gui app, it's used for reboot/shutdown/screen broadcasting etc
21:34
Just takes 1 mb ram
21:34
<Matrix3000>
k
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<Matrix3000>
so it requires x11vnc and xvnc4viewer
21:36
<alkisg>
It's in the dependencies list, yes
21:37
<Matrix3000>
Yoh shit
21:37
oh*
21:37
the users that would be connecting are ldap?
21:37
so can i still put them in the epoptes group
21:38
aight it worked
21:39
<vagrantc>
the epoptes group is only for people who have access to the epoptes monitoring interface, anyone can run the epoptes-client
21:39
<Matrix3000>
ah ok
21:40
<vagrantc>
sbalneav, alkisg: well, i got libnss-sshsock and epoptes to build, will see if i can test tonight
21:46
<Matrix3000>
not bad
21:46
i like
21:46
although did get an error on boot
21:46
trying it again
21:47
<alkisg>
What error?
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<Matrix3000>
nevermind
22:00
didn't happen
22:02
oh, i can send messages
22:02
sweet
22:02
i didn't need it for chat, just alerts
22:02
basically
22:02
:)
22:06
is the real irc for epoptes #linux.sch.gr
22:06
or does it need changed in code
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<alkisg>
It's #linux.sch.gr, currently, until more than 10 users are there :D
22:22
Then it'll be #epoptes
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<Matrix3000>
is a load of 2.3 bad for a celeron 1.8ghz
23:46
lol
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