IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 November 2006   (all times are UTC)

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<rz90000>
hi
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hello
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anyone know how to send text messages to another user using ltsp terminal?
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<bronze>
"talk"
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or "write"
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or echo > /dev/tty of your choice
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<cliebow>
moquist: ill post them on the wiki in win integration
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<patrickb>
has anyone had any experience with the compaq/HP evo t20 thin clients with LTSP? do they work?
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<cliebow>
patrickb: do they do pxe?
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<Faithful>
I just bought a new WD SATAII 320GB Enterprise disk and it is running so hot you can't touch it... what do you think?
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<patrickb>
that doesn't seem right Faithful.....
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<gentgeen__>
Anyone here happen to have IPcop as the DHCP server, Debian as the LTSP client, and have PXE boot working? I can't seem to get PXE boot to work
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<patrickb>
genteen: i have not used IPCop as a DHCP server...so i do not know how configurable it is...but i do have a DHCP server seperate from my LTSP server
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16:03 < patrickb> wrong window
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<cliebow>
gentgeen:_ ipcop will let you pass a filename option?
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<gentgeen__>
cliebow, yes it does
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I see the client start up, gets getway info, then I see
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TFTP. . .
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<cliebow>
how about next-server option?
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<gentgeen__>
but nothing... then it just boots from the internal HD
09:16
yep, got that in the config also
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<cliebow>
ubuntu or other?..just wonder what is assumed as part of the path to pxelinux
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<gentgeen__>
I have 3 other clients that all have /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0 in the filename area... the clients use a harddrive boot (via wizzy toms root boot disk)
09:18
Debian Testing system
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all clients have the /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0 as filename -- 192.168.74.3:/opt/ltsp/i386 as root path -- 192.168.74.3 as next-server
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I am thinking I don't have PXE boot set up on the server correctly, but everything I look at says I do have it right
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<cliebow>
jammcq had me manually use tftp to check that piece..i dont remember just how i did that now
09:21
<McPolo>
tftp , connect (localhost), get path/filename ?
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<gentgeen__>
OK, I did "tftp connect localhost" and I have a tftp> prompt....
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<McPolo>
Yep, you have to insert command separately
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That's why i put commas and stuff.
09:27
tftp (enter) connect(enter) host_of_tftp (enter) get path/filename (like 2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0)
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That was the way the ubuntu tftp worked.
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<gentgeen__>
OK, that worked
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I was able to get a file from within the /tftpboot/
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so I can assume that TFTP (and therefore PXE) is set up right?
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<McPolo>
It depends ofcourse what is the root directory of the tftp-daemon.
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<gentgeen__>
should I remove it from the dhcp path?
09:32
/tftpboot/ is the root directory
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sorry, the second line did not go through originally :-)
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<cliebow>
gentgeen_:you should see \how tftp is initiated...what -s parameter given tftpboot to start looking for info
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<gentgeen__>
cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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#Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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RUN_DAEMON="yes"
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OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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with /var/lib/tftpboot being a simlink to /tftboot
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correction /tftpboot
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<gentgeen__>
UGH... I added -vv to the /etc/default/tftpd-hpa OPTIONS ... Thinking I would atleast get some output, but don't see anything
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<Shane-S>
questions, on my TC I can connect to my server (which is running the most recent K12ltsp) via a crossover cable perfectly. I plug it into a typical plug and play Switch, and it gets a DHCP address, starts to boot, then after the mouse drive line I get...
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Error! dhcpcd failed! <new line> Kernel Panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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now I am tailing with -f /var/log/messages
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and I see nothing about it, other then it gave the bootdhcp command, nothing about a failure
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<Shane-S>
so I plugged the crossover back into the client direct to the server and it boots fine...no clue why a switch is failing, when its gets a DHCP address fine
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could the server nic be broken, and a crossover makes it work, cause I tried the crossover into the switch (its auto-sensing/adjusting) and I got a link light with it and a standard cable. same error regardless
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I know this switch is a good switch it was used a replacement switch when we have a v-laned switch die, we tossed this P&P switch in with a crossover and it got our users back online with touching its configurations from dell.
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<g333k>
Hello, I'm having problems with latin american keyboards I cannot get the characthers with the combination of: ALT Gr+ <any key>, any clue?
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<antoinog>
Hey everyone
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<cliebow>
bbiab
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<joebaker>
Hello
15:24
What happened to the main ltsp site. It looks like it redirects over to the wiki now when loading http://www.ltsp.org
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That's not a bad thing.
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<antoinog>
Does anyone know if you can run ltsp over the internet, not on a lan etc.
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<joebaker>
Just different and unexpected.
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antoniog: I'd use something like Nomachine.com for over the Internet work.
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antoniog: They do protocol compression that makes very efficient use of bandwidth.
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It's all encapsulated in ssl too.
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<antoinog>
Well I was thinking of an idea where I would rent people in the same city thin clients, so with broadband it'd be ok
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i just wondered does the architecture support non lan
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test
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test
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sorry about the underline
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would a thin client capable of nomachine require more than ltsp client?
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<joebaker>
LTSP over the Internet... Not really. Protocols like DHCP and NFS are too transparent to be used securely. Give them a bootable KNOPPIX disk with the NoMachine client on it and have them connect to your server. NoMachine is the way to go for that sort of venture. (antoniog)
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hello!
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<jammcq>
hey
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<pscheie>
jammcq & sbalneav: is anyone going to write up a summary of what you guys did at your codefest for us spectators?
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<sbalneav>
pscheie: I think so
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We could post something to -discuss, or the like.
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<jammcq>
pscheie: most of what we did over the weekend was clean up the website. expect to see that get launched "real soon now"
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<sbalneav>
:)
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<pscheie>
which part, the older part or the wiki?
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<jammcq>
yes
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<pscheie>
Personally, I like the look of the wiki but it's sometimes harder to find things
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<jammcq>
the look won't change so much
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<jammcq>
just the organization of the content
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<pscheie>
witness the bit about the NFS block size problem you helped me with last week
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and how I was looking at one page on the wiki and you were looking at another
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<cliebow_>
pscheie: most of what we did was gorge ourselves on prime rib..chicken in bacon lamb sirloin
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and we earned it
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<pscheie>
cliebow: earned how? Washing dishes afterward? ;-)
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Gadi: I'm still trying to understand why your sound package works on my Dell laptops.
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Is OSS 'old' and ALSA 'new', and your esd just bridges that somehow?
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And do Pulse and gstreamer make that all immaterial once apps start using them?
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<jammcq>
gadi says it works, cuz of the "mojo"
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<Gadi>
heh
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pscheie: basically, it comes down to this:
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esd can be compiled for OSS or ALSA but not both
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LTSP ships esd compiled for OSS
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so, it only works with OSS drivers or OSS-emulation for ALSA drivers
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my package has esd compiled against ALSA
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so, it only works with the ALSA drivers
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<pscheie>
jammcq: what was the file you had me look in where we found the module for my maestro3 chip was called snd-maestro3 instead of just maestro3?
16:58* jammcq wonders what would happen if LTSP supplied 2 esd binaries. one for oss, and another for alsa
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<Gadi>
pscheie: all ALSA sound modules have a "snd-" prefix
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OSS ones have no prefix
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<jammcq>
pscheie: that would have been audiolist
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<pscheie>
Right; but there was some command that Jim had me run that showed it was trying to load a driver named maestro3, which explained why it was failing
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but I can't remember the command, and I want to add it to my notes for future reference.
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<jammcq>
oh, on the client, you need to run something like:
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getltscfg /etc/audiolist
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<Gadi>
not pci-scan /etc/audiolist?
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<jammcq>
umm, yeah, that's it
17:05
that's exactly it
17:06* jammcq had a brain fart
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<Gadi>
thats one way to clear a room ;)
17:06
man, this beryl stuff slows down my interface
17:06* Gadi needs to tweak....
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<pscheie>
what's beryl?
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<Gadi>
its a composition manager
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basically, it makes your desktop do funky eye-candy things
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like rotate as a cube
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or animate windows
17:08* Gadi is running a rather old laptop atm
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<pscheie>
what, if anything, would getltscfg /etc/audiolist show?
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<jammcq>
nothing at all
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it would return an error
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<pscheie>
If ltsp supplied an esd binary for oss and alsa, would it try both or would you have to specify?
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<jammcq>
I think we'd have to pick one as the default, and allow the sysadmin to specify the other
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<pscheie>
This may be a really dumb question, but why doesn't esd work under kde?
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<Gadi>
it does, but you have to tell kde to use it
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kde use[sd] artsd
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and you could tell arts to use esd
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but kde is moving to phonon (which is similar to gstreamer)
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so, you would then tell phonon to use it
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... unless we beat all of these changes to the punch, and incorporate pulseaudio and alsa redirection
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<pscheie>
I thought the point of gstreamer was to not need esd (?)
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<Gadi>
in which case, no modification would be necesasry to 99% of the apps on the server
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no, the point of gstreamer is to provide middleware to the audio stack
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so, apps talk to gstreamer
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and gstreamer decides what mechanism to use to play the sound
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<pscheie>
But that requires all the apps to be gstreamer- or phonon- aware, right?
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<Gadi>
right
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but many have gone that way
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if we wind up doing alsa redirection, we should obviate that need as well
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<pscheie>
I'm thinking about how Real Player 8 works on clients, but later versions don't
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<Gadi>
and the *only* remaining apps that would break, would be ones that talk directly to /dev/dsp
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(java *cough*)
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RP8 has esd support
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<pscheie>
RP10 does not AFAIK
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<Gadi>
RP10 only has ALSA support
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<pscheie>
so with your esd-with-alsa, should RP10 work?
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<Gadi>
no
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the esd-with-alsa still uses esd
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it just uses alsa on the client
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<Gadi>
basically, alsa/oss are on the level of talking to the soundcard
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esd/nasd are on the level of transporting the sound
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gstreamer/phonon are middleware
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<Gadi>
welcome to the mess that is sound in Linux
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<Gadi>
but, dont fret
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things are working themselves out....
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<pscheie>
well, that partially explains why I have a hard time getting my head around it all ;-)
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<Gadi>
u bet
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<ogra>
moquist, so ? anything i missed in the e-a-s spec ?
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<cliebow_>
x
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<g333k_work>
Hi, I have latin american keyboards, but I cant use the characters that appears with AltGr+<Key>, like @, why?
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<cliebow_>
moquist:didyou get what you needed??
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<g333k_work>
nevermind I solved it....:(
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<cliebow_>
laprag!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<rjune>
cliebow_:
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<cliebow_>
rjune;Hey!~
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<laprag>
hey
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<rjune>
how are you doing laprag ?
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<laprag>
I am doing just fine
19:40
Just bought a micro rc helicopter, playing with it :)
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<rjune>
sweet
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<laprag>
heh
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These guys at Google are awfully quiet
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<dberkholz>
that nick reminds me a lot of laphroaig
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<rjune>
laprag: ?
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<laprag>
heh, I don't taste all that good ;)
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<rjune>
laprag: what do you mean the guys at google are awful quiet?
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<laprag>
The Ubuntu Developer Conference is at Google Campus, jammcq and friends are there
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<sbalneav>
Hello hello
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<laprag>
How's it going?
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You done your talk yet?
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<sbalneav>
All of our current specs have passed review, so now we're good for a whole new slate tomorrow!
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No, they haven't asked me to speak yet.
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But:
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<rjune>
that's very cool
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<sbalneav>
edbuntu-network-auth-[server|client], both passed
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ltsp-gui-management passed
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<rjune>
sbalneav: are you at google?
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
ltsp-persistent-home passed
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hey rjune
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although, it basically just entails fixing pam_mkhomedir brokenness
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<laprag>
sbalneav: But that's just the spec, not the actual work, right?
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<sbalneav>
right.
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But once you have the spec, the we can do the work, and the feature will be included in feisty.
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<laprag>
ooooh, the charger is done, gotta go flying :))
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<sbalneav>
So that's a good thing.
19:50
<laprag>
Yes
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<sbalneav>
Heading home? Safe trip!
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<laprag>
Any takers for the coding, or ogra doing it all?
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<sbalneav>
Matt will be helping with the ldap stuff, I'll be helping with other stuff.
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<laprag>
sbalneav: nono, just in the hotel room, got myself a litte toy
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<rjune>
laprag: you're in CA too?
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<laprag>
rjune: No, in TX
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<jammcq>
laprag: howdie
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<sbalneav>
w
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<rjune>
laprag: cool deal.;
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<laprag>
jammcq: Good afternoon to you too
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<sbalneav>
it's been very productive.
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<laprag>
Sounds good
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<Gadi>
rjuney!
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<rjune>
Gadi: !
19:53* rjune hugs Gadi
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<Gadi>
aw...
19:54* Gadi nuzzles in the warm embrace
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<Gadi>
laprag: sorry I missed you
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I hope you get to come to more of these things
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<rjune>
how are you doing Gadi ?
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<Gadi>
good. gettin by with a lil help from my friends....
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et tu, brute?
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<rjune>
work, work, work
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<laprag>
me file brute
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<Gadi>
all work and no play...
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<rjune>
indeed.
20:00* Gadi has a lot of play in store for work....
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