IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 February 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: there should be a ltsp hackfest at freegeek on the 9th and 10th
00:48* johnny wishes he could come
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<vagrantc>
sounds like there will be gentoo, debian and fedora folks there
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<johnny>
altho i doubt i'd be much help yet
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<Ryan52>
I know about Fedora too.
00:48* Ryan52 is scared of gentoo
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<vagrantc>
heh
00:49
well, fedora folk have been working hard on getting ltsp5 going... and gentoo just needs to get a little kickstart
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<dberkholz>
fedora people are gonna make it too?
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: eric harrison said he'll be there
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: btw, got any interest in joining up with an X hackfest the same day?
00:50
i just got an email about one on the 9th
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<Ryan52>
what time is the ltsp hackfest?
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: i'm more free on sunday than saturday
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dberkholz: you know, we didn't really discuss times ... :)
00:51
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: oh, i'll probably leave here around 10, get there in time to kick things off with lunch around noon, and go till late.
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: ok ... i've got commitments from 11-12 and 1-2 and 3-7 ... but all of those are somewhat flexible
00:52
dberkholz: in that i'm largely covering for other folks if they don't show
00:52* johnny wants to come to freegeek
00:52
<johnny>
one day..
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: hmm. do you have time to get me set up during those commitments, or should i show up in a free time?
00:53
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: probably won't know for sure till 10:45 or so
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: ok. so what would you recommend i do?
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<johnny>
dberkholz, coffeeshop? :)
00:55
if you need me for any sort of testing, lemme know
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: shouldn't take too much to get you set up ... i'magine we can just manage ...
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dberkholz: the 11-12 is just a backup for teaching a basic commandline class :)
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<dberkholz>
exciting!
00:56
vagrantc: yeah. pretty much just point me to wherever the computer is, and the plugins, and i'm good to go.
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: heh :)
00:57
dberkholz: freegeek opens at 11, but if you think you might show up before then, i can get you in ... maybe i'll just show up early and get you a diskless terminal all set up and ready to go
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: hmm. i could probably manage 10:30 or so.
00:58
it's ~1:30 drive time
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: that'd work pretty good if you don't mind starting a little earlier
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<dberkholz>
should be ok
00:59
i'll just have to get to sleep by midnight friday
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<vagrantc>
heh
01:02
Ryan52: so, the main C projects ltsp has right now are ... ldm, ltspfs and there's a little utility called jetpipe ... ltspfs is in decent shape... ldm could certainly use some care and feeding
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<Ryan52>
okay...
01:03
what languages are the other stuff written in?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: a bit of python, a fair amount of shell
01:04
<Ryan52>
okay
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<passerby>
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04:32
hi people!
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<tuukka>
hi! should there exist crontab in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc?? (using edubuntu gutsy) or what is the best way to shutdown thin clients at every night?? thanks in advance for all the pointers...
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<Q-FUNK>
oh... Scotty is back? :)
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, was ....
05:27
he was here for an hour or so recently ...
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<ogra>
but said he would be around more often now
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: how is he doing?
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<ogra>
busy
05:32
they switched completely from a customized mozilla based app to the same thing on firefox
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indeed that crap was written 1000 years ago
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so porting it is a real challenge, he was scared of that since some time :)
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<bartolomeojsimps>
hello
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<bartolomeojsimps>
a few days ago i have two machines as thin clients that stuck loading de pxe....0 image
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<bartolomeojsimps>
yesterday i test them again in they work fine
08:25
do you have any idea of the reason?
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<th13fp45s>
Hi, I have 2 printers on a thin-client, but how I need configure Cups?
08:28
socket://IP:9100
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this, send the job to the first printer on thin-client.
08:28
there is some way to do this?
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<th13fp45s>
otavio: pode me ajudar com a pergunta acima?
08:38
otavio: can you help?
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<Nubae>
th13 tem que comfigurar lts.conf
08:46
thats in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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doh, not here anymore
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<warren>
hmm
09:36
Ubuntu's /etc/inetd.conf
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9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
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where is nbdrootd served?
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<Nubae>
same file just under
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<cliebow_>
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/powerpc.img
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<warren>
huh
09:59
ohh
09:59
I see
10:00
cliebow_, what port is nbdswapd?
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<cliebow_>
just a sec
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9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
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<warren>
ok
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<Gadi>
does anyone know where the call to "nc" in the ldm code is (to collect info from ldminfod)?
12:12
I do not see it in gtkgreet/ldminfo.c
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<Gadi>
ah, found it!
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<cliebow_>
you ROCK
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<Gadi>
it wasnt in the c code at all, but in the screen script
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<cliebow_>
i see...i watch and listen..and hope some rubs off
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<Q-FUNK>
heh
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<jammcq>
hey guys
13:02* vagrantc waves
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<warren>
hey
13:07* cliebow_ cliebow genuflects
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<Guaraldo>
hey, jammcq...
13:14
jammcq: How are you?
13:15
jammcq: Are you comming to fisl9?
13:16* vagrantc wonders why the pt_BR translation for ltsp is broken
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<jammcq>
Guaraldo: yep, I'm definately planning on being there
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<vagrantc>
warren: any objection to my patch for the autologin support? i'm guessing it doesn't really affect you much, since the main issue is that it broke compatibility with previous versions
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<warren>
vagrantc, just go for it
13:26* vagrantc was mainly waiting on ogra, since it broke compatibility
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<warren>
vagrantc, shouldn't we branch for "past stable" with a number and use HEAD for devel, things that WILL break back compat?
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: saw ur patch wrt autologin - looks good
13:27
<vagrantc>
Gadi: :)
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<warren>
declare a ldm-VERSIONNUMBER and make it its own branch.
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<vagrantc>
warren: yes. since there hasn't been a real release of ldm yet ...
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: I have a few more on my list - can I review before spending too much time?
13:28
<vagrantc>
warren: although, really would be better with tags...
13:28
<warren>
vagrantc, wouldn't be too bad with branches
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: a few more patches?
13:28
<Gadi>
yeah, hacking ldm is next on my list of todos
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<vagrantc>
warren: but tags are more immutable than branches ... someone could come along an muck up a branch.
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Will you present a talk?
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<warren>
vagrantc, ldm-0.1 branch can maintain compat with the current stuff. Versioned releases from there could be ldm-0.1.Y.
13:29
vagrantc, why not use both tags and branches?
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<vagrantc>
warren: maintaining it in two separate places gets us ... ?
13:29
warren: or you mean concurrent development branches ...
13:29
<warren>
vagrantc, yes
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: If you want I can put you on invited speakers...
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<warren>
vagrantc, sometimes you want to backport stuff to the ldm-0.1 series
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<vagrantc>
warren: ah, sure. when it comes to that. seeing as we don't have any real releases yet ...
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<warren>
just copy ldm-trunk to ldm-0.1 and then we are unrestricted to do crazy shit in ldm-trunk
13:30
ldm-0.1 can be for backports of things that don't break compat
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vagrantc, I especially need this because I will be doing compat breaking things in the coming 2 months
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<vagrantc>
warren: i understand what you are saying, however there is no ldm 0.1 release yet.
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<Gadi>
my list so far includes: 1. not restarting X on failed attempt (but rather return to greeter) 2. add a timeout to the nc call in screen.d/ldm (handles remote servers better) 3. use src/get_ip.c code within greeter for getting IP, so it is not hardcoded to eth0
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<warren>
vagrantc, there doesn't have to be a release to branch it
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vagrantc, ldm-0.1 branch is understood to be "changes that don't break compat"
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vagrantc, I don't particularly care what happens in that branch personally
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vagrantc, I personally will branch ldm-0.2 at some point after I've reached my ldm goals for Fedora 9
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<vagrantc>
warren: i think the topic of releases needs to be discussed... probably best on ltsp-developer
13:33
<warren>
vagrantc, yeah...
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<vagrantc>
it's already bad enough between ubuntu and debian
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: I was at Solutions Linux in Paris, this week and bumped into the CEO of Red Hat France. He's looking forward to adding your LTSP port to his portfolio of enterprise solutions.
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13:36* vagrantc impatiently awaits the mips and mipsel buildd's for ldm builds
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: any thoughts on the above?
13:38
(while u wait) :)
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: all sounds good to me
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<warren>
Q-FUNK, everyone tells me that, but nobody is giving me resources =)
13:39
<Gadi>
cool
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<vagrantc>
i have one remaining feature request ... an optional "Guest Login" button. that basically does the same thing as autologin, but gives an opportunity for a specified user to log in.
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<Gadi>
specified user?
13:40
ah, I know what u mean
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<vagrantc>
i.e. i log in as "vagrant" ... but if someone clicks the "Guest Login" button, it logs them in much like the way autologin works
13:41* Gadi nods
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<Gadi>
"so may it be written..."
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<vagrantc>
i should also figure out how to have auto/guest logins go to a different server than named logins
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and then freegeek can ditch ldm! :)
13:42
er
13:42
sdm!
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<Gadi>
also, a failed autologin should return to a greeter with the guest login option
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<vagrantc>
indeed.
13:42
but the guest login option should only show a button if the feature is enabled, of course ...
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<Gadi>
right
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LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER
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:)
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<vagrantc>
yeah ...
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i'll look at the code and see if i can't slip it in easily
13:43
the "Guest Login" button feature request is a little more intrusive, i think.
13:43* Gadi hopes the whole X restarting thing doesnt require major surgery, as well
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<vagrantc>
oh, and handling bad passwords better...
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: after the pep talk I did and showing him how every other distro in the show is going for it, things might change.
13:44* Gadi sets /etc/ssh/ssh_config NumberPasswordPrompts 1
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<Gadi>
works nicely except all of X restarts if you get it wrong
13:45
:P
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<vagrantc>
i've had situations where it doesn't restart, but freezes ...
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<Gadi>
quick question: with the new upstream branches, what are the steps to making a deb pkg?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: check out the *-trunk, check out the relevent *-packaging branch as the debian dir
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<Gadi>
do I need mkdst?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: oh yeah, if you don't use mkdst ... you'll need to run ./autogen.sh
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Gadi: for quick patching, mkdst is maybe overkill
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<Gadi>
hmm... i dont see *-packaging branches
13:57* vagrantc knows where the debian ones are
13:57* Gadi must be doing something wrong
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<warren>
vagrantc, branching ldm-0.1 would be of benefit to me because maybe next week I will be thinking about compat breaking changes.
13:58
gotta go for now
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<vagrantc>
warren: i fully understand that
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<vagrantc>
ok, implemented LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER :)
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one feature left to go :)
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<vagrantc>
ok, so now i just need to understand how greeter_iface.c and the gtkgreeter interact ... and figure out how to (conditionally) draw a "guest login" button
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: if that's GTK, you can just draw it by default, then play with hide() and show()
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: it is gtk, but it's a good deal over my head at the moment :)
15:53
i don't even understand how src/ldm.c, src/greeter_iface.c and gtkgreet/greeter.c interact yet
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<cliebow>
moquist:howdy
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: How did you set up the client with you're virtualbox?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i set the server to use two network cards, one using NAT, and one using the internal network ...
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Ryan52: and then i connected the thin-client to the internal network
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Ryan52: and configured the card with the internal network to do dhcp and such
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<Ryan52>
okay
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did you figure out the gtk stuff?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: and set it to network boot by default
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Ryan52: no, i look at it and my head spins :)
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<Ryan52>
If not I want to do it. (once I get my stuff setup)
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I'll do it then.
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: sounds great :)
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Ryan52: i was able to test that my idea for leaving the autologin code where it is can work ...
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Ryan52: by splitting the autologin code into a separate if statement, and in the code block where the greeter is handled, setting autologin to True
18:16
Ryan52: so just need to figure out how to get the greeter to be able to tell it to set autologin to true
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<Ryan52>
I don't understand what your saying...
18:17
ohh
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<vagrantc>
to get the "guest login" button working
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "crude autologin test patch" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/434
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: that patch is against the current ldm-trunk branch
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<Ryan52>
man, every channel has a bot...
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<vagrantc>
there's two in #ltsp :)
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<Ryan52>
ahh...I installed an update this morning and now anything thats not xterm has giant text.
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: When I am testing new code for ldm, I should have the ltsp server have debian sid and the ltsp package built from the latest bzr source, right?
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or should I use the debian package from sid?
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or is there a difference?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: the ltsp and ltspfs packages in sid should work with ldm from bzr
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<Ryan52>
okay
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: so you should only need to rebuild ldm
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<sickonnet>
hii
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how to enable print on ltsp 5
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<vagrantc>
sickonnet: which linux distro?
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<sickonnet>
ubuntu gutsy
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<vagrantc>
sickonnet: so, you have a printer attached to your thin-client and you want to print to it?
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<sickonnet>
yes
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it seems port 9100 on that thin client
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not open
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<sickonnet>
is there any configuration i miss?
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<vagrantc>
have you set PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/DEVICENAME where DEVICENAME is the name of your printer device?
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<sickonnet>
yes i try add new lts.conf on /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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<guillaume>
is the chroot apt-get upgrade only broken in edubuntu?
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<sickonnet>
with that setting
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<vagrantc>
guillaume: you also have to run ltsp-update-image after modifying the chroot
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that;s why lts.conf was moved outside of the chroot
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<guillaume>
i did
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<vagrantc>
guillaume: so, how does it break?
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<guillaume>
but the upgrade whithin the chroot seems to try to update kernels from wich is nonsense
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from within
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<vagrantc>
what do you mean?
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<guillaume>
1 sec
22:39
<vagrantc>
it's supposed to upgrade whatever is in the chroot
22:39
and the chroot is where the kernels are built
22:40
well, not built ... installed ... it's where the initramfs image is built
22:40
<guillaume>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/188223
22:40
I submitted that earlier today
22:40
i got 2 servers here and both do that now
22:41
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. apparently that's a bug that wasn't fixed for gutsy. i fixed it in debian sid a while back.
22:42
<sickonnet>
vagrantc
22:42
is there any other options?
22:43
<guillaume>
for that reason apt-get install is broken too and i cant get git-core installed to install latest amd drivers for my geode lx800
22:43
<vagrantc>
guillaume: to work around it, you just hae to move aside the nbi.img-* files and try to upgrade the chroot again ... maybe an apt-get -f install in the chroot first
22:44
<sickonnet>
btw vagrantc befroe i can chroot to ltsp image then passwd (for debug check ltsp client)
22:44
<vagrantc>
sickonnet: sorry, i'm not very familiar with printer support ... that's about all i know
22:44
<sickonnet>
right now using this version i can't
22:44
:(
22:44
<vagrantc>
sickonnet: SCREEN_XX=shell, where XX is an unused tty
22:44
<guillaume>
when you say move aside , will a rm do the trick?
22:45
<vagrantc>
guillaume: rm or mv should work great
22:45
<guillaume>
lol ok
22:45
<vagrantc>
guillaume: but i usually say move aside, i.e. mv ... so that you can revert if something goes terribly wrong
22:46
<guillaume>
bah i reinstalled from scrached 4 times today
22:46
its a dev server
22:46
<vagrantc>
i never like to give advice that puts people in a worse position than they started :)
22:46
<guillaume>
sorry for my english im very tired here
22:47
do i only have to delete the ones in the chroot?
22:48
<vagrantc>
guillaume: yes, you only need to delete the ones in /opt/ltsp/*/boot/nbd-*
22:49
<sickonnet>
i knew again the point
22:49
jetpipe is DIED
22:50
thx for ur advice for SCREEN
22:50
<vagrantc>
guillaume: i added a couple comments to the bug report... basically the same things i told you
22:51
<guillaume>
did you meen nbi.img
22:51
ok thanx
22:53
<vagrantc>
guillaume: yes, nbi.img ... sorry :)
22:55
<guillaume>
!pastebin
22:55
<ltspbot>
guillaume: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
22:55
<guillaume>
hmmm i get the same error so no need for a new pastebin
22:55
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
22:55
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
22:56
<vagrantc>
!help
22:56
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:57
<ltsppbot>
"guillaume" pasted "shell dump" (47 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/435
22:57
<guillaume>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/435
22:57
oh
22:57
faster than me
23:02
thast weird it still complains the file exists
23:02
vagrant?
23:03
<Ryan52>
when I ran ltsp-build-client it got very far but gave errors when it tried to install the kernel. I fixed it manually. How can I make it resume where it was?
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<guillaume>
wow the script is definetly broken
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23:26
<Ryan52>
It worked!
23:27
vagrantc: What processor does your laptop have?
23:32
and how much ram do you have?
23:32
and what speed is it?
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: because of the state of linux-latest-2.6 in sid, ltsp-build-client fails unless you tell it to use a specific kernel, or also give it mirrors pointing to lenny
23:55
<Ryan52>
ya, I figured that out.
23:55
I almost have a working ltsp setup.
23:55
I just need to figure out why it can't start a window manager...
23:56
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: you have a window manager installed on the server?
23:56
<Ryan52>
yes, icewm
23:56
originally it was ccomplaining that there was no .Xsession file, so I made it. Now it just restarts X.
23:57
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: does /etc/X11/Xsession exist? is it executable?
23:57
Ryan52: do you have ltsp-server-standalone installed, or jsut ltsp-server?
23:57
<Ryan52>
ltsp-server-standalone
23:57
<vagrantc>
ok...
23:58
Ryan52: regarding hardware specs... i regularly use virtualbox on my 866MHz with 512MB of ram.
23:58
<Ryan52>
...yikes...
23:58
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: i run my server with 160-256MB of ram, and the thin-client with 64MB ... typically lower the videoram to 1-2MB
23:59
clearly, a little more would help, but this is certainly useable.
23:59
Guil-T: did you want something?
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<Ryan52>
my laptop seems slower than yours was yesterday...I must be imagining it