IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 30 December 2015   (all times are UTC)

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05:45
<gehidore>
||cw: the package is gone and I have yet to get unlazy enough to re-create it
05:45
I really need to because I myself need it but I have more pressing issues...
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15:17
<rhi>
Hi, I'm looking for help|tips setting up clients with differing locale needs (ar_SY, Farsi, Dari, Pashto) in addition to German.
15:18
<vagrantc>
individual machines configured with different locales?
15:18
or all clients supporting all locales?
15:18
<rhi>
I want to set up "throw-away" clients for a kind of "international coffee shop" as a service for this countries influx of refugees
15:19
<vagrantc>
throw-away in what sense? reset at login/reboot ?
15:20
<rhi>
yes
15:21
If they want to save stuff between sessions, I'd suggest using a USB-stick
15:21
<vagrantc>
how much ram do the clients have?
15:23
<rhi>
I'm undecided on whether to individualise the users to include a locale ... ar_sy_nr1@box12
15:23
I don't know what "mix" of locale's we need to support at any 1 time.
15:25
ram: probably 1GB
15:25
<vagrantc>
have you set up LTSP networks before?
15:26
<rhi>
I've been doing debian since bruce perens was DPL ... but I'm new to locale & keyboards I don't know & menues I can't read :-)
15:26
<vagrantc>
i've got a setup that creates a fresh homedir in tmpfs on login using libpam-mount with fatclients using lightdm
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15:27
<rhi>
OK - that sounds like what I'm looking for if I can configure it to use a specific locale for a specific session (in some form choosable)
15:27
<vagrantc>
there are keyboard selection options from within gnome and gnome-flashback, i think ... and you can typically set the locale on login
15:29
<rhi>
true - but I'm not sure of the skill-levels needed to do this ... most people here have only had experiance with various win systems specifically set up for their countrioes
15:29
<vagrantc>
i'm also a bit inexperienced with locales, given that the C locale generally worsk for me ... but i strive to get a rough idea how locales work
15:29
<rhi>
they would be new to linux & selecting locale & keyboard & $LANG at startup
15:29
<vagrantc>
basically it's a button with a drop-down selection
15:30
<rhi>
That's why I started looking at LTSP ... get it right once & reboot as needed :-)
15:30
<vagrantc>
you could also set it up such that there's a different default locale from lts.conf, with some custom hooks
15:31
so if there was a particular day where a particular locale was preferred, you could make it the default on a daily basis from one place
15:32
<rhi>
no - it's more like a travelling coffee shop (lan party in a truck) and would need to cope with whatever nationalities I find at that location & day
15:32
<vagrantc>
there are plenty of hooks to implement all this ... if you have a good idea which locales to enable, then you'll want to enable them in the image, but if you're not sure you could install locales-all ... though that might make language selection drop-downs unusable
15:33
<rhi>
I only need around 5 or 6 variants as far as I can see
15:33
<vagrantc>
lots of options, mostly a matter of picking a few, experimenting a bit with the LTSP hooks till you get what you want
15:33
<rhi>
but I'll need some from the people themselves so as not to tread on toes through my own ignorance of their cultures & norms
15:35
<vagrantc>
definitely a good idea.
15:35
<rhi>
yeah - but a lot of work to get it right :-)
15:36
<vagrantc>
first, i'd get the LTSP parts working in your preferred language ... then work on adding the mutliple locale support you want
15:36
<rhi>
I could do "fat clients" in 2 or 3 locales but I want to be able to keep the configs but destroy what ever traces they've left on the boxes when they sign off.
15:37
would you differentiate based on username+logon or at PXE-boot-time ?
15:40
<vagrantc>
well, changing the keyboard layout without changing the actualy keyboard might be more confusing to inexperience computer users...
15:41
i would think choosing at login is going to work ... configuring user-specific locales with throwaway homedirs might be tricky ...
15:41
<rhi>
true - but I've had some experiance with changing between de_DE and Ukrainian for a person I support here,
15:41
<vagrantc>
with a throwaway homedir?
15:42
<rhi>
and we found it OK IF there is a printed "keymap" available.
15:43
I haven't doen the throwaway homedir thing yet ... I'm assuming that it might be something via NFS
15:43
and sutomounter
15:43
s/sutomounter/automounter/g
15:44
<vagrantc>
well, you can't throw the homedir away and save user-specific settings ... without getting very cumbersome :P
15:44* vagrantc would just recommend using libpam-mount with tmpfs for homedir
15:45
<rhi>
I don't have any keyboards in all these variants of arabic | persian and wouldn't be able to tell which was which without sticky-tape-labels :-(
15:46
<vagrantc>
right
15:46
<rhi>
I wasn't sure if /etc/skel and adduser was going to help me any ... or if keeping state gets in my way ---
15:48
The last time I used debian autoconf as a provisioning tool it took me about 3 reboots to get the boxes set up with their payload & up & running ... but that was a while ago
15:49
but then ... it was a real SYSV init, which is something I understand :-)
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15:49
<vagrantc>
autoconf?
15:50
<rhi>
yea - pxe boot & install & answer all the dpkg questions per script .. it's been a while .. I've forgotten the terminology
15:51
<vagrantc>
ah, debconf preseeding
15:51
well, nice thing about LTSP is you only have to install one machine for N clients :)
15:52
<rhi>
They were headless network-monitoring stations deplöoyed through out the corporate-net & we just shipped them & they phoned home & said "I've just arrived at XYZ & pls give me an assignment :-)"
15:53
That was easier that trying to get libreoffice & debian menues to work correctly with a keyboard I can't read
15:56
I'll go & read some about libpam-mount with tmpfs for homedir ... there are several rough edges in what I'm asking for & I think I need to simplify it quite a bit before I come asking again ...
15:58
I's beginning to look like one image pro (nationality|locale) & sort them out at boot-time
16:00
Thank you very much for your time & skill ... you've given me some good ideas to think about.
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<mober73>
hello
20:36* vagrantc waves
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<highvoltage>
hey vagrantc
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