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Channel log from 17 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<dean_za>
moring all
02:13
morning
02:20
i reinstalled my server this weekend , because i was having so many issues after attempting to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 to 8.04. Anyway for the most part things seem normal. I am however having a real strange issue with printing. I have installed the jetpipe program left out of hardy and on 1 terminal the service works perfectly. on 2 other terminals the jetdircet service is not running and the printers dont wok. How is it possible that different clients work
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<DawnLight>
hello. does anyone have experience with terminals running with the adobe flash plugin? does it take loads of RAM?
03:04
perhaps loads of CPU also?
03:14
<johnny>
yes
03:14
<tarzeau>
how many?
03:15
we have flash running too
03:16
<DawnLight>
are there any numbers about this?
03:18
from my experience, adobe flash can hog whole cpus
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<tarzeau>
DawnLight: around 50 clients, no idea how many of them surf java or flash pages
03:32
2.0.14 firefox on linux. we might switch to ff 3 sometime soon
03:32
we also have sound
03:33
<DawnLight>
tarzeau: do they all surf at the same time?
03:34
<tarzeau>
DawnLight: sometimes yes
03:35
<DawnLight>
i wonder what happens then
03:39
<tarzeau>
nothing special
03:39
it's a 4 cpu machine w/ first 4 gb memory, now 8 gb memory
03:39
the clients are 500 mhz amd geode machines
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<Pascal_1>
bonjour
04:01
<DawnLight>
hello Pascal_1
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<masus>
hi all
04:55
where can i find documantation for ltsp5?
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<masus>
masus: nowhere :)
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<daya>
while running ltsp-build-client it gives http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 was corrupt
05:39
,
05:41
does it happen in the upstream or my local connectiviy prob.
05:46
<masus>
u can try to build from cdrom
05:46
ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --mirror file:///cdrom
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<daya>
masus, no I have not all required DVDs of lenny
05:49
<masus>
i think you dont need at all the first is enough
05:49
but im not sure
05:49
try it
05:50
<daya>
masus, Ok But what the my error indicate, does it happen in the mainstream of debian
05:50
<masus>
daya: i don't know sorry
05:51
<daya>
masus, nop
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<masus>
!lts
06:30
<ltspbot>
masus: Error: "lts" is not a valid command.
06:32
<masus>
!lts.conf
06:32
<ltspbot>
masus: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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<masus>
anyone know how to change the default session to xfce4 on the clients
06:53
<ogra_cmpc>
you need to change the alternative on the server (in case you run ubuntu or debian)
06:53
<masus>
i run debian etch
06:53
<joebaker>
I will be installing the Ubuntu LTSP system this morning. Re-installing a system from scratch.
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<ogra_cmpc>
update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
06:54
<masus>
ogra_cmpc: thank u
06:56
do i have more credit for two questions :)
06:57
if yes. The first question is how to do autlogin for clients and the second is how to change the login screen on clients it's look not good :) ...
06:58
<ogra_cmpc>
there is a ldm themes dir in the client chroot, change graphics and gtkrc there
06:59
<masus>
and autologin is it possible ?
06:59
<ogra_cmpc>
autologin requirews LDM_AUTOLOGIN, LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD to be set in lts.conf (to an existing user on the server)
07:00
but that wasnt in the etch packages, you definately need the backports for such stuff
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<masus>
ogra_cmpc: i'll try thank u very much
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<x86>
does the LDM protocol use less bandwidth than the XDMCP protocol?
08:32
<ogra_cmpc>
similar
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<x86>
hmm
08:40
I've got these thin clients with Linux already loaded on them, and they boot into this connection manager app running inside of X (and there is no way to network boot them)
08:40
you can make the connection manager automatically establish an XDMCP connection to a remote X server
08:40
<ogra_cmpc>
there surely is
08:40
<x86>
HP Neoware c50
08:41* ogra_cmpc hasnt seen a thin client yet that had no netboot capabilities ... worst case throoough a BIOS update
08:41
<x86>
if you can find a way to network boot them, I'd be more than interested ;)
08:41
(I've looked)
08:41
they are made so that you use the connection manager... it can handle XDMCP, RDP, Citrix/ICA, VNC, and something else
08:42
which will work just fine for me...
08:42
I'm trying to find an advantage of using LTSP
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<ogra_cmpc>
there is no need for LTSP if you want to go with the locally installed system
08:45
just enable XDMCP in your running DM and be done ... but you wont benefit from any of the LTSP specialities (localdev, sound and soon to come local apps)
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<x86>
yeah I don't really need any of that
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<Blinny>
So I went up to amd64 Ubuntu 8.04 from i386 over the weekend, and my load is still much higher than it was on FC6.
10:37
<dean_za>
does anypne have issues with user processes after a client freeze. I was searching through my old emails and found a program called xtermintaor which removed any lingering processes when the user logged in , i found the launchpad site but there are only debs for fiesty and gutsy , was this implemented in hardy and / or is it compatable with hardy. Users dont complain as much about the client crashing as they do about not being able to login again afertwards
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<Blinny>
dean_za: I experience that really really often.
10:38
dean_za: It'd be great if you added your info to the existing bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/232532 to gain some traction.
10:38
dean_za: As a temporary fix I've added a killall -u $USER to the .xprofile in each user's home directory.
10:39
<dean_za>
blinny: its really frustrating the new server at on site is so much faster but I get 2 complaints the boot sequence is painfully slow the screen always sticks on the second block of the splash and they cant login after a freeze
10:39
but will that kill the .gvfs processes ?
10:39
I normally have to kill -9 them
10:41
<Blinny>
dean_za: Yeah, that works.
10:41
dean_za: I've had some pretty bad results with Ubuntu so far.
10:42
dean_za: I haven't experienced bootup problems. I don't think that is related to the user's spare processes sticking around. It _could_ have to do with NBDSWAP if you're using that.
10:43
dean_za: Are you completely updated?
10:43
<dean_za>
I am , some clients have 64mb/400mhz and 128mb/400mhz , why would a faster client boot through that section if it is the nbd swap ?
10:44
blinny : that for me is still a grey area , on one server i updated veryhting including dist-upgrade in the chroot and things are not so stable , I recently re-installed my main server and have not updated kernel in chroot only other updates
10:45
it has been better , but I still get client freeze and then users cant login
10:45
<Nubae>
64 mb is very little
10:45
u should really be running minimum 138
10:46
128 even
10:46
users not being able to log in often has to do with permissions
10:46
<dean_za>
that is why I have nbdswap enabled
10:47
<Nubae>
I put a script in my homes dir that changes ownership to then
10:47
the right owner
10:47
<dean_za>
users can login , but they cant use openoffice , thunerbird or whatever was open when they crashed
10:47
<Nubae>
for some reason, this gets mixed up a lot
10:47
ah... u mean the message saying u can only run one at a time?
10:48
<Blinny>
dean_za: Using the .xprofile script will clean out those Thunderbird/OOo processes on login.
10:48
<Nubae>
ie... firefox is already running please close the running proces?
10:48
<dean_za>
no message ever , they just get a message that the program is already running
10:48
yes
10:48
<Nubae>
yeah thats common as hell
10:48
<Blinny>
yeah thats annoying as hell :P
10:48
<Nubae>
the only thing u can do is killall -u $user
10:48
<dean_za>
then why havent they adressed it
10:49
<Nubae>
or show them how to kill the process
10:49
its not really a bug
10:49
if the system crashes or someone logs onto another system, the process really is running still
10:49
and must be shut down...
10:50
<Blinny>
Shouldn't processes be killed on user login if they can't be on logout?
10:50
<dean_za>
but then why not re-attache to the session ?
10:50
<Nubae>
from experience, the easiest thing was to show them how to kill the process via system ->system monitor
10:50
<Blinny>
dean_za: That's non-trivial in an LTSP environment.
10:50
<Nubae>
on logout the processes are killed
10:50* Gadi thinks we should have a nice popup box that allows the user logging in to kill all of his/her old processes and let the login proceed....
10:50
<Nubae>
but not on crash or logging into another system while still logged in
10:50
<Blinny>
Nubae: Not on a busted logout like xserver crash or restart.
10:50
<Gadi>
hmm....
10:50
<Blinny>
Gadi: Amen my brotha!
10:51
<Gadi>
shouldn't be too hard
10:51
<Nubae>
problem is, it often happens because user logs in twice
10:51
<Gadi>
simple rc.d script in ldm oughtta do it
10:51
<dean_za>
i actually read a tread on the ltsp-discuss list of someone who had done that with madriva
10:51
<Nubae>
ie... is in the cafeteria, browsing, class starts
10:51
logs onto machine in lab
10:51
<Gadi>
thats no problem - just give him the choice on second login to pkill or not to kill
10:51
<Nubae>
message pops up :-)
10:51
<Gadi>
*kill
10:52
nah - we make the msg pop up on the second machine
10:52
not the first
10:52
thats trivial
10:53
<Nubae>
yeah guess so
10:54
<dean_za>
I just looked in my home dir and I dont have a .Xprofile ?
10:54
do i need to create it ?
10:55
<Nubae>
yeah u can just create it
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<dean_za>
check this link http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg32850.html
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<Nubae>
I managed to get a cintiq wacom tablet working on hardy, man that thing is amazing...
10:58
I wonder if it will work with ltsp too?
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<Nubae>
dean_za: sure a quick fix is to disable multiple logins for same user
11:00
but that might become a pain
11:01
if it were done by groups or soemthing like that, it would be good
11:01
so sysadmin can still login in multiple times, but students cant for example
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<joebaker>
ogra Did you hear about my problems with tftpd ?
11:06
I have Pxe bootable machines that won't load from tftpd-hpa
11:07
Now even after loading a fresh install of 8.04 from the alternate ubuntu desktop i386 install I have problems with tftp.
11:10
What I have done to repair before was to download aftpd as a deb file, extract the tftpd binary from it and replace the in.tftpd file under /sbin
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<Gadi>
!pastebot
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<joebaker>
with the atftpd binary.
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:11
<Gadi>
anybody for testing untested code? ;)
11:11
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/541
11:12
<Gadi>
oops
11:12
Ive got quotes in the wrong place
11:12
hehe
11:13
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/542
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<Blinny>
Jeez. Again with the defunct processes. First it was bind9 - now squid proxy.
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<dean_za>
gadi: sure what must I do
11:17
<Gadi>
dean_za: what distro are you on?
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<dean_za>
ubuntu 8.04
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<Nubae>
Gadi: nice... that was fast
11:19
<Gadi>
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/rc.d
11:19
er
11:19
sorry
11:20
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/rc.d
11:20
is that where 8.04 has that dir?
11:20
sorry
11:20
actually
11:20
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ldm/rc.d
11:20
my fingers are faster than my brain today
11:21
<dean_za>
S01-setup-xauth
11:21
<Gadi>
excellent
11:21
<Nubae>
would be nice to put that on a wiki someplace
11:21
its bound to come up again
11:21
<Gadi>
that is the dir for scripts that ldm runs (client side) pre-login
11:21
and post-logout
11:22
so, save my pastebot to a file in that dir, say: S15checkUser
11:22
make it chmod 755
11:22
reroll the image
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<Blinny>
Gadi: Can you pastebin that again? I had to reboot my server. Again.
11:22
<Gadi>
then, reboot two clients and try logging in to them both
11:22
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/542
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<Nubae>
also save this conversation and try to document it somewhere :-)
11:23
<Gadi>
heh
11:23
well, lets see if it works, fisst
11:23
*first
11:23
as you can tell, my fingers are itchy today
11:23
:)
11:23
but, you can read the script and get the gist
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<Nubae>
yeah but when it works, everyone will say great and forget about putting it up for documentation purposes ;-) we're terrible that way...
11:24
<Gadi>
lol
11:24
<Blinny>
Gadi: Awesome. Lemme check it.
11:25
Any particular naming convention? S01-?
11:25
<Gadi>
yeah
11:25
its like SysV notation
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S = start (login)
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number = order
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name=name
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so, say: S15checkUser
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<Blinny>
OK if I get parse errors when running from shell ala ./S15... ?
11:28
<Gadi>
yeah - because the LDM_ vars will be empty
11:28
set those inur environment
11:28
<Blinny>
Gotchya. Booting 2nd now.
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<Gadi>
wow -ur fast
11:29
<Blinny>
It's easy when someone else writes the script!
11:29
<Gadi>
you must have a fast server
11:29
u rerolled the image?
11:29
<Blinny>
Yeh
11:30
This is the slower of the two machines I have too.
11:30
Serving a lot of clients.
11:30
Besides, all the RAM was free because I just had to reboot.
11:30
<Gadi>
my P3 sub 1GHz lappy is jealous
11:30
;)
11:30
<Blinny>
Ok. I just logged in as me at another terminal.
11:30
<Gadi>
btw: if this breaks ur image, just delete the file and rerool
11:30
<Blinny>
No zenity prompts.
11:31
<Gadi>
hmm
11:31
<Blinny>
No errors, but I haven't started anything.
11:31
I've got it as S02-check-processes chmod'd 775
11:31
<Gadi>
can you get a shell on the client?
11:31
<Blinny>
Sure.
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<Gadi>
export in the shell: LDM_USERNAME, LDM_SOCKET, and LDM_SERVER
11:32
to the appropriate values
11:32
<Blinny>
Wait. Crap. Must've been my last image. Lemme add the user and reroll.
11:32
<Gadi>
and just source the script
11:32
<Blinny>
K. Uno momento.
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<Blinny>
PS: Thanks.
11:33
<Nubae>
let us know if it works :-)
11:33
<Blinny>
I ctrl+alt_backspace'd out of the 2nd logged in client so it wouldn't kill this session on logout.
11:33
I'll have tons of fun processes laying around.
11:34
Where can I find the correct value for LDM_SOCKET ?
11:34
<Nubae>
ctrl alt backspace should kill sessions just fine...
11:35
2000 or 2001
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<Blinny>
Nubae: It doesn't. :P
11:35
<Nubae>
depends on how many images and which image you are on
11:35
but default is 2000
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<Gadi>
Blinny: /var/run/ldm.... on the client
11:35
iirc
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<Blinny>
K
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<Nubae>
cant believe you can buy a new athlon 64 with 2 gigs of ram and 160 gig drive for 250 euros...
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<Nubae>
things are getting cheap
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<Blinny>
So I have export LDM_SOCKET=2000 && export LDM_USERNAME=myuser && export LDM_SERVER=196.168.1.1
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<Gadi>
no
11:37
LDM_SOCKET=/var/run/ldm...
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the big name\
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<Blinny>
OK.
11:38
export LDM_SOCKET=/var/run/ldm/192.168.1.1
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<Gadi>
really?
11:38
no
11:38
thats not it
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<Blinny>
I'm on the client's console right now
11:39
and 192.168.1.1 is in /var/run/ldm -- only thing in there
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<Gadi>
hmm...
11:40
do this:
11:40
are you logged in thru ldm atm?
11:40
ps -efw|grep ldm
11:40
<Blinny>
Not with that user, no.
11:40
<Gadi>
on the client shell
11:40
<Nubae>
ah socket is ip + port?
11:40
<Gadi>
you should get a string like: ssh -X -S <something>
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you want the <something>
11:41
socket is a file
11:41
just not sure what filename we give it these days
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<Blinny>
Ok. So I should go ahead and log into LDM first? I have not yet logged into anything but the console.
11:41
<Gadi>
used to be a big one
11:41
yeah, log into ldm as somebody
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<Blinny>
Gotchya. Now i have ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.1.1
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<Gadi>
there ya go
11:42
<Nubae>
that rings a bell
11:42
<Gadi>
nice and long
11:42
:)
11:42
make sure you have the full path
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LDM_SOCKET=/full/path/to/socket
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<Blinny>
I do.
11:43
I get "Control socket connect:(/var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.1.1): Permission denied
11:43
Then the could not create directory /home/myser/.ssh stuff
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<Gadi>
are you on a shell on the client?
11:44
ctrl-alt-f1?
11:44
<Blinny>
Yeh.
11:44
<Gadi>
as root?
11:44
<Blinny>
No, as a normal user.
11:44
I don't know how to set up a root user on the terminal.
11:44
<Gadi>
you made normal users in your chroot?
11:44
<Blinny>
(that's always bothered me, btw)
11:45
I made a single normal user. Only thing I knew how to do.
11:45
<Gadi>
ah: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
11:45
<dean_za>
just unlock the root account in the chroot with passwd -U and set a password and your done
11:45
<Gadi>
that'll get you a root passwd
11:46
<dean_za>
guys how do I folow whats happened if I have to go now ?
11:46
is there a website somehwre /
11:47
<Blinny>
Gadi: OK. Lemme re-roll.
11:48
<Gadi>
dean_za: just drop into the channel tomorrow
11:48
we'll be here
11:48
:)
11:48
<Blinny>
So.
11:48
I have set a passwd with root. I will log into LDM as myuser
11:49
I will log into the console as root. Set LDM_USERNAME LDM_SERVER and LDM_SOCKET and then run the script by hand.
11:49
<Gadi>
cool
11:49
<Blinny>
Bah.
11:49
User account as expired. I guess this is the 'unlock' that dean_za was referring to.
11:49
<Gadi>
tho, the DISPLAY is prolly not set
11:50
I was banking on the fact that the script would be called from within X
11:50
<Blinny>
Soooo should I run it as myuser in X ?
11:50
<Gadi>
so, you will prolly need to: export DISPLAY=:6 (or :7)
11:51
no
11:51
run as root
11:51
<Blinny>
Ok. I'll export display too.
11:51
<Gadi>
but export the DISPLAY
11:51
<Blinny>
In X or at the console?
11:51
<Gadi>
at the console
11:51
<Blinny>
OK!
11:51
Fun.
11:51* Gadi still hacks in gutsy, so there are lots of details that they changed in hardy
11:52
<Blinny>
when I export DISPLAY=:X then X will correspond with the vt? in the LDM_SOCKET, yes?
11:52
<Gadi>
not the vt, but the display that ldm is on
11:52
do this: ls -a /tmp
11:52
whichever number the lock file for X has on it
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<Blinny>
OK.
11:55
Syntax error on line 17
11:55
<Gadi>
doh!
11:56
<Blinny>
Coincidentally, the same one I found before doing all this rigmarole (;
11:56
<Gadi>
duh
11:56
change the do to then
11:56
and the done to fi
11:57
lol
11:57
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/543
11:57
<Gadi>
like here
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11:57
<Gadi>
(or grab this one)
11:57
sorry bout that
11:57
glad you have a fast server
11:57
<Blinny>
Interesting. My ltsp-update-image froze. Or my gnome-terminal froze.
11:58
Gadi: Me too. My clients are still sluggish as hell though :(
11:58
<warren>
Gadi: that's cute
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<deanza>
gadi are you still testing pastebot 542 ?
11:59
<Gadi>
yes, but I had a syntax error: use: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/543
11:59
warren: whats cute?
11:59
my syntax error?
11:59
:)
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<warren>
the script
11:59
<Gadi>
ah
11:59
it'll be cuter if it works
11:59
<warren>
Gadi: why don't you post it to the list and see what people think?
12:00
<Blinny>
Damn you new vi and your automatic comment insertion
12:00
<Gadi>
I just wrote it in 5 mins just now
12:00
if it works, we'll post
12:01
<Blinny>
I have got to find a way to turn that off.
12:02
Hrm. It appears that ltsp-update-image seems to hang for long periods of time, then come back.
12:03
and it hangs pretty good too. Can't ctrl+z
12:03
OK. Once again from the top.
12:03
<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "idea for rc.d script to check for users logged in and create popup" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/544
12:03
<warren>
I hear that Debian has something to take the xkeyboard-config table and use it with xkb?
12:03
<Gadi>
found another mistake
12:03
use that one
12:03
:)
12:03
<Blinny>
Gadi: heh
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<Blinny>
Hrm. The time displayed in LDM is incorrect.
12:06
<Gadi>
of course it is
12:06
its your BIOS clock
12:06
:P
12:06
<Blinny>
...damn... incorrect... BIOS
12:06
<Gadi>
lol
12:07
you can modify your chroot to run ntpdate on boot
12:07
and set the time by a timeserver
12:07
damn trident driver!
12:07
lost my mouse again
12:08
*sigh*
12:08
<Blinny>
Gadi: I'm thinking this is going to work. I don't have zenity in the chroot. One moment, one more reroll.
12:08
But, that's something to consider, as it's not there by default.
12:08
<Gadi>
really?
12:08
I thought zenity was standard id debian these days
12:08
and ubuntu
12:09
<Blinny>
Woah.
12:09
<Gadi>
ok, xmessage it is!
12:09
lol
12:09
<Blinny>
Maybe this is why no zenity: The following packages will be automatically installed: aspell aspell-en dictionaries-common docbook-xml gconf2 gconf2-common libart-2.0-2 libaspell15 libdbus-glib-1-2 libenchant1c2a libgail-common libgail18 libgconf2-4 libglade2-0 libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libhunspell-1.1-0 libidl0 libnotify1 liborbit2 libscrollkeeper0 libsexy2 libstartup-notification0 libwnck-common libwnck22 libxml2 libxres1 libxslt1.1
12:09
<Gadi>
lol
12:09
sorr
12:10
lets make that xmessage for now
12:10
<Blinny>
No worries mate.
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<Blinny>
Well damn.
12:14
Guess he got it working on his terminal!
12:16
<Nubae>
any luck Blinny?
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<Blinny>
One second. Figuring out xmessage. I'm re-rolling the image now.
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<Blinny>
Gadi: I'm trying this: xmessage -buttons "Kill Current Session":0,"Cancel":5 The systems thinks you're logged in elsewhere. Would you like to close the other session and begin anew here?
12:19
(from xmessage man: If it detects an error, xmessage returns 1, so this value should not be used with a button.)
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<Blinny>
Hrm. Uhm. What provides xmessage? ogra did a great job stripping the chroot :P
12:22
<Gadi>
there's a pkg called xmesage
12:22
*xmessage
12:22
sorry - gotta run to a mtg
12:22
bbiab
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<Blinny>
Oh wait.
12:23
Hrm. I'm guessing I need to explicitly call it.
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12:24
<Blinny>
No. Something isn't correct in the grepping.
12:24
bash: line 1: 10658: Command not found
12:24
<Gadi>
theres only one grep
12:25
but it says command not found
12:25
perhaps, on top put:
12:25
<Blinny>
xmessage still pops up
12:25
kill is in /bin/kill not /usr/bin/kill
12:25
<Gadi>
PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin
12:25
ah
12:25
sorry
12:25
<Blinny>
but I don't get back to LDM. Just closes gnome, and I'm stuck staring at my background w/ no panel, etc
12:26
Also, the script doesn't return, I need to ctrl+c it
12:27
<Gadi>
are you running the script or sourcing it?
12:27
<ltsppbot>
"Be-Lovely" pasted "S02-check-processes" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/545
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<Blinny>
Running it like ./S02-check-processes
12:28
from the console, then seeing xmessage on X session at vt7
12:29
<Gadi>
try: . ./S02-check-processes
12:30
ok, now i really have to run
12:30
bbiab
12:30
<Blinny>
ok!
12:30
Thanks Gadi I'll keep at it
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<Nubae>
blinny... did u chmod o+x <filename>
12:35
?
12:35
<Blinny>
Nubae: Yes.
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<Nubae>
and won't execute?
12:36
<Blinny>
It's still not being called at login.
12:36
<Nubae>
hmm ok put it in lts.conf
12:36
<Blinny>
It will execute just fine if I specify it like ./S02-
12:36
<Nubae>
with rcfile=00=<filename--<
12:37
that should be rcfile_00=filename
12:38
<Blinny>
Nope.
12:38
It appears, when running manually, that it stops at the sleep call.
12:39
<Nubae>
you've tried putting it in lts.conf?
12:41
<Blinny>
Yes.
12:41
But regardless, shouldn't it be called if put in the rc.d folder?
12:43
<Nubae>
should yes, but in my experience the ltsp startup scripts can interefe a lot
12:43
interfere even
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<Nubae>
give it a higher number like S30
12:46
<Blinny>
...re-building image...
12:48
<Guaraldo>
Hey, guys... I´m in trouble with a LDM auto-login...
12:49
<ogra>
Blinny, you should exclude yourself :P
12:49
else you kill the pkill command before it killed anything else
12:50
<Guaraldo>
I´ve put the lines LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD on lts.conf... It didn´t work...
12:50
Does anyone can help me?
12:51
<johnny>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=T ?
12:52
<Guaraldo>
Oh!, johnny... I didn´t put that... :-) Thanks!
12:52
<johnny>
Guaraldo, i actually use the guest login feature myself , and then autologin based on the hostname
12:52
+ ssh keys
12:52
<Blinny>
No. No love.
12:52
<johnny>
when they click "Login as Guest"
12:52
<Blinny>
ogra: But the script is running as root.
12:53
<johnny>
what pkill command ?
12:53
<ogra>
well, he's not using pkill but kill
12:53
<johnny>
i find pkill -f to be the best kill
12:53
<ogra>
Blinny, and ?
12:53
Blinny, its not running as root on the server
12:54
it uses the authenticated ldm socked which is owned by the logged in user indeed
12:54
<Blinny>
Indeed!
12:54
ogra: So I need to pgrep for the current process then remove it from the list of processes that get killed?
12:55
<ogra>
and if the processid of kill is low then you kill the kill itself before killing other processes
12:55
lots of killing going on in tha sentence
12:55
*that
12:55
<Blinny>
Sounds like Alice's Restaurant.
12:55
<ogra>
heh
12:56
<Blinny>
Ok. Well, let me swim around some more.
12:57* johnny kills ogra
12:57
<ogra>
oh, and why the sleep ? if you are going to call -9 anyway just call it right away and drop the first kill and the sleep
12:57
<johnny>
ogra, we had our first unofficial tester of gentoo ltsp5.. it almost worked
12:57
two mods :)
12:57
<ogra>
cool !
12:57
<johnny>
and then it worked
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<johnny>
so.. i think we'll integrate my stuff officially at the hackfest
12:57
<Blinny>
Is "^$" the current process id?
12:58
<ogra>
i urgently look for ubuntu users who can verify the ltsp fixes in hardy proposed btw
12:58
<johnny>
really?
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12:58
<ogra>
if the bugs dont get a checkmark from at least one independent tester the fixes cant go on the 8.04.1 CD
12:58
<johnny>
can you get me a list of bugs
12:58
<Blinny>
ogra: I'm definitely guilty on that front. The NDB_PORT fix you made I haven't verified b/c I haven't been able to get my server stable long enough to test on the backup one.
12:58
<ogra>
let me grab the changelog
12:58
<johnny>
i'll test them on weds night
12:58
dont paste it here
12:59
email it to me
13:01
<ogra>
in case anyone else lurks: #224259, #235772, #221894, #234006, #222524 and (parts of) #199675
13:01
but i'll mail them if you want
13:01
our release managers are starting to make noise already
13:04
<laga>
i wish launchpad wasn't so darn slow.
13:05
<Blinny>
ogra: I'll do my best to check them out.
13:06
<ogra>
that would be great
13:06
one positive comment per bug suffices, more are better indeed :)
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<Lns>
ogra, would a comment help if I didn't apply the specific patch but used the workaround w/NBD_PORT ?
13:09
(for 235772)
13:10
<ogra>
well, preferred is that you use the package from hardy-proposed, but a positive comment wont do any harm indeed ;)
13:10
<Lns>
ok
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<johnny>
ogra, can you perhaps tell me how i could use those packages only from hardy-proposed? :)
13:12
something called pinning?
13:13
<ogra>
well, you enabe hardy-proposed, in the chroot, upgarde it and re-roll the image ...
13:13
proposed is frozen atm, there shouldnt be nything harmful in it thats not going onto the CD
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<Blinny>
...but only in the chroot?
13:15
<johnny>
yeah.. only in the chroot?
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<johnny>
yes.. mail them to me.. i will have less chance to forget :)
13:15
<ogra>
the majority of fixes is in the ltsp-client scripts, yes
13:15
<laga>
darn, i think i missed a fix for the mythbuntu plugin then. well, maybe next time :)
13:15
<Blinny>
I see a new ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone
13:15
<ogra>
sure, they come from the same source package
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "ltsp hardy-proposed changelog" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/546
13:17
<ogra>
the only server side fix is the fix of the ltsp-update-imae manpage
13:17
*image
13:17
all others are ltsp-client
13:18
<Blinny>
Right on.
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13:25
<Blinny>
ogra: In testing this script I've restarted the client by ctrl+alt+delete from the console. I then reboot, log in via LDM, and log out. Am I correct in assuming that all the first session's processes should be killed on the 2nd logout? I still have 30+ processes hanging around.
13:26
<ogra>
the logout will only kill the parent process (x-session-manager)
13:26
which then should drag everything with it
13:26
<Blinny>
but the parent of the specific login, not all logins of the same user?
13:26
<ogra>
right
13:26
<Blinny>
Is there currently any cleanup routing for these processes hanging around from an abnormal exit?
13:26
:s;routing;routine
13:26
<ogra>
the last command ldm runs is kill -1 ${PPID}
13:27
(in the session)
13:27
if anything isnt cleaned up after that the apps need to be fixed to properly exit with their parten
13:27
+t
13:28
*parent
13:28
*sigh*
13:29
<Blinny>
ogra: I'm missing something. There are no ldm processes on the server for any users, logged in or out.
13:29
<ogra>
no, only on the client
13:29
<Guaraldo>
johnny: LDM_AUTOLOGIN didn´t work... :-/
13:29
<Blinny>
ogra: I have the bash script that ends with kill -1 {$PPID} -- that's still running
13:30
<ogra>
ldm just runs the ssh command ... so all that runs on the server is sshd
13:30
<Guaraldo>
updating image...
13:30
<ogra>
which calls /etc/X11/Xsession
13:30
<Blinny>
Okay. Then are there any routines on the server to clean up these processes hanging around from an abnormally-exited client?
13:30
<ogra>
which in turn starts x-session-manager or whtever you put into ~/.xsession
13:30
<Blinny>
Right.
13:31
<ogra>
no, they should properly exit with their parent
13:32
if the X server dies on the client the ssh connection gets reset ... if that happens sshd and x-session-manager on the server die
13:32
<Blinny>
In a perfect world, this wouldn't be an issue.. but it is.
13:32
<ogra>
right, file bugs against the apps that misbehave ;)
13:33
<Blinny>
ogra: But (I think) what I'm experiencing is occuring before your 'the ssh connection gets reset'
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<Blinny>
I have tons of sshd processes on the server left around for a client that is off.
13:34
So, I should bug the openssh crew, and then after that domino falls, the rest should fall also?
13:35
I have x-session-manager processes hanging around from a client that is powered off.
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<Blinny>
which leads me to think that ldm on the client isn't doing its kill -1 so the sshd process isn't terminating so x-session-manager isn't terminating, so nautilus, bonobo, gvfs, etc aren't terminating
13:39
<Lns>
Blinny, what distro/version are you talking about?
13:39
<Blinny>
Lns: Ubuntu Hardy
13:41
Lns: ..and the packaged LTSP5 on the alternate install CD
13:42
<Lns>
Blinny, ah. I use Hardy but haven't tested extensively (school year is out, i'm just now getting done upgrading from gutsy)
13:43
<ace_suares>
Blinny: i see the same problem with hardy
13:45
<Blinny>
I've been sending people to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/232532 to report their findings but no one else has added anything.
13:46
Holy crap. I replied to the bug via email and none of it is in the bug! No wonder!
13:46
Lemme update.
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<supreme_>
hi all, how can i control volume in clients?
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13:47
<Lns>
Blinny, do you know about gnome-watchdog? I know the stale process issue has been around since gutsy - just depends on 'which' ones you're talking about i guess
13:48
<Blinny>
Lns: I'm new to Ubuntu in the LTSP world. No, I don't know about gnome-watchdog. However, on principle I'd prefer to address the problem than cover the symptom.
13:48
<Lns>
Blinny, I agree, but until that happens, gnome-watchdog might be a good workaround.
13:48
<Blinny>
ogra: And here all this time I thought you were too busy to get to that bug. I'm sorry I left it for a month - I really replied via email.
13:50
Lns: Where do you hook gnome-watchdog into the Xsession startup?
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<Lns>
Blinny, it's just a .deb you install.
13:51
<Blinny>
Lns: Not in the repos though correct?
13:51
<Lns>
Not sure about where it works specifically
13:51
no
13:52
Blinny, http://www.mail-archive.com/edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02609.html
13:53
<Guaraldo>
Hey, guys... can anyone help me with an LDM autologon in an Ubuntu 8.04?
13:53
<supreme_>
how can i control the volume level in thin clients?
13:54
<Guaraldo>
supreme_: there is a pulse client...
13:54
<supreme_>
im using ltsp 4.2
13:54
esd
13:54
<Guaraldo>
supreme_: so you can´t... :-D
13:54
<supreme_>
:o
13:54
<ogra>
supreme_, in ubuntu just use the volume control applet in the panel ... it default to the client sournd device
13:54
oh
13:54
well thats not possible there
13:54
<Lns>
4.2 is so, like, 90's... ;)
13:55
<ogra>
4.2 is ancient ...
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<supreme_>
unfortunately ltsp 4.2 boots in 40sec, ltsp5 does in 3mins
13:55
:/
13:55
<Guaraldo>
supreme_: you can put the volume level on the lts.conf, but not change it...
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<Lns>
supreme_, have you tried 5 lately? There have been massive improvements in bootup speed.
13:56
<supreme_>
Guaraldo, thats what i'll do then, if theres no solution
13:56
<_thomas__>
hi, I set-up a ltsp on debian lenny, and have a dhcp server on other machine, is there a way to do it work?
13:56
<supreme_>
Lns, ive tried in April
13:56
<_thomas__>
someone could point-me a link or something?
13:56
<supreme_>
my thin clients are ebox2
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<Guaraldo>
Lns: now it boots in 2,5 minutes... :-D
13:56
<Lns>
supreme_, ah...i've heard about those ebox.. ;)
13:56
<supreme_>
and ltsp5 doesnt support its sound anymore
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<ogra>
well, linux 2.6 doesnt
13:57
<Lns>
_thomas__, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
13:59
<supreme_>
omg, volume in xmms started working 10sec ago :O
13:59
<Guaraldo>
Someone have ever user autologon on LDM of Ubuntu 8.04?
13:59
<_thomas__>
Lns: thanks
13:59
but i use another linux machine to run dhcp
14:00
anyway, good point to start
14:00
<Lns>
_thomas__, well then that's even better
14:00
<_thomas__>
thanks
14:00
<Lns>
;)
14:00
All you need is a couple of options in your dhcpd.conf
14:00
<_thomas__>
next-server
14:00
<Lns>
IIRC next-server, root-path,
14:00
...maybe another one (my memory sucks)
14:00
<Blinny>
Lns: I'm a little afeared of installing that gnome-watchdog script. First off, I can't find a page for it, just the mailing list and .deb. Secondly, it's i386 and thirdly the source isn't published.
14:01
<Lns>
Blinny, that's your choice ;) Just wanted to point you to it since you were having those concerns about procs
14:01
<Blinny>
Thanks.
14:01
<Lns>
np
14:02
<Guaraldo>
Lns: LDM autologon... do you know how to do it???
14:02
<Lns>
Guaraldo, nope, never had the need to...sorry
14:02
<Guaraldo>
Lns: ok... no problem... I´ve never need too...
14:02
<Nubae>
hey Blinny... did u get that script to work?
14:03
<_thomas__>
Lns: could be this?
14:03
next-server 192.168.4.4; filename "pxeboot"; option root-path "192.168.4.4:/data/misc/diskless
14:03
<Blinny>
Nubae: No.
14:03
_thomas__: Don't forget a trailing "
14:04
Nubae: I am teh suck at bash.
14:04
<_thomas__>
and to where should I point root-path?
14:04
<Lns>
_thomas__, depends on the specifics of your network/filenames/server
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14:04
<_thomas__>
/opt/ltsp/home/username
14:04
?
14:04
<Lns>
nooo... ;)
14:04
<Guaraldo>
Lns: Now that I need I´m having a hard time here...
14:04
<Nubae>
Blinny: not sure I understtood that :-)
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14:04
<_thomas__>
sorry, pretty new to ltsp and even more with different machines to configure...
14:05
<Nubae>
but I catch the gist... bash gets confusing indeed
14:05
<Blinny>
_thomas__: If your ltsp root is /opt/ltsp/i386 then you would point root-path at /opt/ltsp/i386
14:05
<Lns>
_thomas__, if you read that URL it'll give you the rundown even though it's for windows
14:05
<_thomas__>
Lns: ok, I'm going
14:05
<Blinny>
_thomas__: You'll need to kick out a filename too, and it's relative to the root path. (IE /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 )
14:06
Nubae: It's the fresh lingo, yo.
14:06
n stuff
14:06
<Lns>
lolzorz
14:06* Blinny nods.
14:07* Lns jumps in his ROFL-copter
14:08
<Lns>
_thomas__, I don't want to sound like i'm pushing you off but if you'll be using LTSP a lot, it will be a very good idea to read up on how it works, step-by-step. It's invaluable information for when you're troubleshooting
14:09
<_thomas__>
Lns: just for tests, later today I will give a good read about it :D
14:09
thanks for the advice
14:09
<Lns>
cool
14:10
We're all here to help btw - one big happy family =p
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<Blinny>
I don't understand how the kill would kill the kill in that script. The process list is retrieved earlier.
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<Lns>
wooo, [Bug 235772] Fix released...ahh, the power of the community. ;)
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<Blinny>
Lns: Bully.
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14:17* Lns scratches his head
14:17
<Blinny>
...and down goes pidgin
14:18
Bully: adj : excellent —often used in interjectional expressions <bully for you>
14:19* Lns scratches his head again
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<Lns>
;)
14:20
<Blinny>
Well, the good news is I think I've traced the uber-high load I'm experiencing to a crappy scsi module.
14:21
<Lns>
nice
14:21
that musta been fun to troubleshoot
14:21
<Blinny>
Good times.
14:22
<Lns>
just got an e-mail from a client talking about their school tech quitting and if i'd like to take over...first thought was "Hmm....ltsp?" ;)
14:23
<alkisg>
´╗┐Guaraldo, I've used autologon...
14:28
<Nubae>
Lns: go forth and spread the seed
14:28
;-)
14:28
there was an article about ltsp in linux format recently
14:28
<Lns>
nice
14:28
<Nubae>
but they talked about installing everything from source... very weird
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<Nubae>
obviously they haven't looked at the distros lately...
14:29
<Lns>
4.2?
14:29
<vagrantc>
or gentoo :)
14:29
<Lns>
=p
14:29
<Nubae>
they didn't mention the edition... but I think they were trying to be cross-platform ;-)
14:31
ah wait, am looking at it again, they do talk of edubuntu
14:31
but using xdmpc
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and then they talk a little about how to do it in each distro
14:33
manually
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<Lns>
weird
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<Guaraldo>
alkisg: Hi, man... How can I configure an autologon on LDM???
14:37
<Nubae>
Guaraldo: I could only get autologin to work with guest
14:37
<alkisg>
LDM_USERNAME=username, LDM_PASSWORD=password
14:38
<Nubae>
it wont work just putting that in lts.conf
14:38
user and pass must be the hostname of the machine
14:38
<alkisg>
[ltspclient101]LDM_USERNAME etc
14:38
Or IP or mac address
14:38
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: I´ve tryed LDM_USERNAME, LDM_PASSWORD and LDM_AUTOLOGIN (LDM_AUTOLOGON)... non worked to me...
14:38
<laga>
hum, i'm talking to an user who is affected by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=245017
14:39
"tftpd-hpa: Fails with "cannot set groups for user nobody""
14:39
<Nubae>
u tried LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=
14:39
<laga>
has anyone seen that happen on ubuntu?
14:39
<Nubae>
?
14:39
<alkisg>
Guaraldo, let me see if I can find my old lts.conf...
14:40
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: Oh!, it would be great...
14:40
<Nubae>
laga: no... sounds weird indeed
14:40
<alkisg>
Guaraldo, OK, in [Default] I have LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True, in [192.168.0.112] I have LDM_USERNAME=guest01 LDM_PASSWORD=pass01
14:41
and for guests, if you want, LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=True
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<Guaraldo>
In my lts.conf I have quite the same, but there are mac addresses...
14:42
can be becouse of this???
14:42
<Q-FUNK>
hm
14:42
maudit bon article, bref
14:43
<alkisg>
Guaraldo, sorry, I haven't used mac addresses, don't know. It worked with dns names though.
14:43
<Nubae>
with mac addresses i can confirm that it doesnt work
14:43
only managed to get guest login access to work, which is almost the same as autologin
14:43
with the added benefit that other users can login too
14:44
<alkisg>
Are we all talking about Ubuntu 8.04? (I also have proposed updates on...)
14:44
<Nubae>
me too
14:44
<Guaraldo>
Nubae, alkisg: Thank you, very much!!!
14:45
You´ve helped me a lot...
14:45
<alkisg>
You're welcome. :)
14:45
<Nubae>
I've just been bitching that it doesn't work, don't thank me ;-)
14:46
<Blinny>
That's good work.
14:52
Gadi: Well. I'll try to shoot back in on Thursday to check in about that script. I can't get it to be fired, or to work if executed manually. I think ogra is right in that it's killing the wrong things, because the result I see is killing the session, but I never get back to the greeter to log back in.
14:52
Cheers.
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<alkisg>
Guaraldo, I've just tried it again with mac address, worked fine
14:55
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: And I tryed with IP and didn´t...
14:55
<alkisg>
But test was with virtual box NAT networking, I don't know if that affects anything...
14:56
Do the clients get any setting at all?
14:56
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: That´s the latest version of ltsp... :-/
14:56
<alkisg>
E.g. if you modify X_MODE_0...
14:56
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: I´ll try!
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<alkisg>
Well, this is mine: ltsp-server 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0u Basic LTSP server environment
14:57
Guaraldo, maybe upload your lts.conf to pastebot? Maybe you overlooked something...
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<Guaraldo>
alkisg: No it doesn´t work too... There is an error message about discover...
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<alkisg>
What message?
15:03
<ltsppbot>
"Guaraldo" pasted "My lts.conf" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/547
15:03
"alkisg" pasted "lts.conf for autologin" (9 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/548
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<alkisg>
Heh! Synrchonized!
15:05
I don't have /usr/bin/discover either, where did you see this message?
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<Guaraldo>
Configuring LTSP client...
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<alkisg>
Sorry, I didn't understand, where? The client showed this while booting?
15:08
Guaraldo, where do you put lts.conf ? In /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386?
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<Guaraldo>
alkisg: Yep... when apears Configuring LTSP client...
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<alkisg>
Why do you have to configure something? You just modify lts.conf and save, there no configuring phase...
15:09
Oh, there's a "configuring ltsp client" message while booting? I didn't notice...
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<Guaraldo>
alkisg: without splash it apears...
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<alkisg>
Guaraldo, I don't see "configuring ltsp client" anywhere... You mean "Setting up LTSP client?"
15:15
(I have splash disabled)
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<Guaraldo>
Oh, yep... Seting up LTSP client...
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<alkisg>
Anyway, I don't see anything there, starting system log deamon etc but no /usr/bin/discover message. Did you install something weird in the chroot? In any case, I don't think this would affect autologin... :-/
15:20
Can you login to the client console and tftp the server and try to download lts.conf?
15:20
Or, see if it was downloaded at all?
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<Guaraldo>
alkisg: login console = Yes, tftp the server = How do I do that? tftp server:/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ???
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<alkisg>
Guaraldo, e.g. if you use dnsmasq instead of tftp-hpa, it won't be able to download it...
15:22
tftp server [enter] get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf[enter]
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Guaraldo, if it was downloaded, it would be in /etc/lts.conf
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<Guaraldo>
them both are the same archieve (/var/lib/tftpboot/i386/lts.conf -> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf)
15:28
<alkisg>
Guaraldo, no, /etc/lts.conf in client is downloaded by tftp. I don't remember what happens if you have it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and it *isn't* downloaded from tftp. Do you see it now in /etc/lts.conf in the client?
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<masus>
hi all
15:32
<Guaraldo>
alkisg: I´ve found the error... my mistake...
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<alkisg>
Guaraldo, ok, hope it works now.
15:34
<Lns>
Can anyone tell me if the following pulseaudio howto is up-to-date for Hardy i386 users? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
15:34
<Guaraldo>
I´ve copied lts.conf to chroot and now I´m updating the kernel image...
15:34
<Lns>
I'm not sure if all the steps are necessary/outdated since PA is default in 8.04
15:34
<alkisg>
Guaraldo, you don't have to update the image if you put it in tftpboot... It's downloaded by tftp upon client booting
15:36
Lns, I had flash audio in the clients with the default installation without doing any of that...
15:36
<Guaraldo>
:-(
15:37
<Lns>
alkisg, hmm
15:38
<Nubae>
Lns: I just had to install libflashsupport and flashplugin-nonfree
15:38
and flash worked on clients
15:38
<Lns>
Nubae, via PA?
15:38
<alkisg>
Lns, yeah, me too, I thought that was assumed...
15:39
<Nubae>
yes
15:39
pulse is default in hardy
15:41
<Lns>
it's just weird cuz i've followed the howto there in the url and it still pulls plenty of packages down for PA
15:41
oh well ;)
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<ryudo>
hi guys
15:45
<masus>
hi
15:45
<ryudo>
i have a problem using ltsp5 (hardy heron)
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<ryudo>
many floppy icons on client and server desktop
15:47
its a bug ?
15:49
<warren>
hey folks on Debian/Gentoo or other distros...
15:49
<ogra>
yes and its fixed already, make sure to have ll updates installed
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<ryudo>
hi ogra :)
15:49
all updates in hardy ?
15:49
<ogra>
yep
15:49
<ryudo>
my hardy no have any updates, i using a fresh install
15:50
update the system = fix the problem ?
15:50
<ogra>
well, there are lots of updates in the hardy-updates repository, update manager should have told you about it
15:50
yes
15:50
<ryudo>
oh ogra thank you !
15:50
i try it !
15:51
<ogra>
:)
15:51
<ryudo>
i need check the backports reposutory ?
15:51
<ogra>
no
15:51
hardy-updates only
15:51
<ryudo>
hum !
15:51
ok !
15:52
<ogra>
(and security updates indeed :) )
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<warren>
Does Xsession on your distros support a $1 parameter that is a session launcher?
16:04
(like gnome-session or startkde)
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<ogra>
man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
16:13
<warren>
ogra: how does it launch a different session if you select one in the ldm menu before login?
16:17
<masus>
hi all one question, is it possible to boot from wan to ltsp ...
16:17
<warren>
masus: generally a bad idea
16:17
masus: (if your wan is 100mbit it might be possible, but even then that is unsustainable)
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<masus>
i hope it will be some day 100mbit
16:19
<Lns>
ltsp by nature really isn't designed for wan usage anyway (dhcp broadcasts being just one reason)
16:19
<masus>
bu ifit possible please tell me how
16:20
<Lns>
an normal X session over a WAN is possible though..i've done that over a 56k modem (with KDE)...heh...good times
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<masus>
or how to connect to an ltsp client remotely
16:21
from wan
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<Lns>
masus, ssh would work if you compile it into the chroot
16:22
<masus>
but i want the graphical desktop
16:22
and make some tests from home
16:23
<Lns>
vnc would be a good choice, or italc too is new in ubuntu hardy
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<masus>
vnc ok i'll try that thank u
16:26
<Lns>
np
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<masus>
by all
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<ryudo>
ogra
17:06
i make all updates and the has not solved :(
17:06
problem still (many floppy icons on desktop client)
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<ryudo>
ogra
17:19
the bug of multiple floppy0 icons on desktop still :(
17:20
i dowload all hardy heron updates
17:24
<johnny>
aha..
17:24
good to see confirmation there
17:24
yes.. those icons are still in your /tmp
17:25
<ryudo>
johnny
17:25
you can help me ?
17:25
<johnny>
no.. i have that issue
17:25
<ryudo>
i need use rm -rf /tmp/* ?
17:25
<johnny>
it won't let you
17:25
<ryudo>
:( bug
17:25
<johnny>
i don't know how to delete em
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<ryudo>
ogra say " make all updates..this bug is fixed"
17:27
<johnny>
well.. it's not like it's that big of a deal
17:27
<ryudo>
i make it......
17:27
<johnny>
so you an relax
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<Nuba1>
don't u need to update the chroot as well
17:31
to fix that bug
17:31
<ryudo>
i need update chroot distro ?!
17:31
how i make it ? :(
17:31
<Nuba1>
think so yes
17:32
<ryudo>
i dont know how make it
17:32
<johnny>
ltsp-build-client
17:32
or you couold chroot into it and update it?
17:32
<ryudo>
again ?!
17:32
<Nuba1>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
17:32
<johnny>
but you do have to add hardy-proposed to it first
17:32
<Nuba1>
and then same but apt-get upgrade
17:32
<ryudo>
ohh ! nubal i try
17:32
<johnny>
ryudo, add hardy-proposed
17:32
<Nuba1>
but yeah, edit repo first and add hardy-proposed
17:33
so sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
17:33
<ryudo>
repository on the chroot list ?
17:33
<Nuba1>
yes
17:34
<ryudo>
nubal how is address of this repository ?
17:34
<Nuba1>
if you already have the repo in the server, u could copy the sources.list to the chroot location
17:34
same as all the others, but hardy-proposed instead
17:34
copy one of the entries and change hardy to hardy-proposed
17:35
<ryudo>
ok nubal i test
17:35
thank you my friend !
17:36
<Nuba1>
let me know if it works for you...
17:36
<johnny>
i'll be updating my chroot tomorrow night i think
17:37
<Nuba1>
hey johnny do you know if a wacom cintiq tablet will work on a thin client?
17:37
<ryudo>
i test
17:37
it
17:37
wait my test
17:37
<johnny>
Nuba1, i'm guessing it would
17:37
<Nuba1>
I got it working great on a regular ubuntu install, but not sure about ltsp
17:37
<johnny>
no guarantees tho
17:37
look in the xorg.conf on the client
17:37
see if it has the wacom stuff
17:38
<Nuba1>
hmmm ok, and the kernel drivers?
17:38
all part of the server I guess
17:38
just need to add the xorg stuff then right?
17:39
just wonder about the usb detection
17:39
<johnny>
uhmm .. just plug it in
17:39
and stop asking questions :)
17:39
see if it works :)
17:39
then we'll try to fix the problems
17:41
<Nuba1>
I'm not at the ltsp setup
17:41
:-) otherwise I would have plugged in already
17:42
been thinking about setting up a virtual environment for testing, people do that with virtualbox or vmware right?
17:42
set the virtual machine to be a thin client...
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<ryudo>
updating my chroot eviroment :D
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<ryudo>
nubal
17:49
imake chroot update using de proposed repository
17:49
not work :(
17:49
ineed make update on server using proposed updates too ?
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<johnny>
all the fixes are in the client
17:50
or most of them
17:51
<ryudo>
in the client = on chroot environment ?
17:52
<johnny>
yes
17:52
i don't know if the fixes actually remove the old floppy0's
17:52
it only stops it from happening again prolly
17:52
<Nuba1>
should work...
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<johnny>
i don't know how to delete the old floppy0's . :(
17:52
<Nuba1>
did u rebuild the image?
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17:52
<ryudo>
no
17:53
<Nuba1>
restart server is only way I know of
17:53
<ryudo>
how i make it ? :(
17:53
<Nuba1>
rebuild the image ryudo
17:53
<ryudo>
how i make rebuild ? :(
17:53
<johnny>
that won't help remove the floppy0's
17:53
<Nuba1>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ltsp-update-image
17:53
<johnny>
Nuba1, that won't work?
17:53
<ryudo>
ok i try it !
17:53
<Nuba1>
sure it will
17:53
<johnny>
uhmm.. why wouldn't you just sudo ltsp-update-image
17:53
<Nuba1>
and I removed them for good by taking them out of bios
17:53
<johnny>
ltsp-update-image doesn't exist inside the chroot
17:53
<Nuba1>
oh doh!
17:54
<ryudo>
operador@lstp-server:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ltsp-update-image
17:54
chroot: cannot run command `ltsp-update-image': No such file or directory
17:54
<Nuba1>
you're right johnny
17:54
<johnny>
ryudo, the problem is in your server /tmp
17:54
<Nuba1>
ryudo: do waht johnny just wrote
17:54
<johnny>
i just don't know how to remove them
17:54
did i suggest something?
17:54
<Nuba1>
sudo ltsp-update-image
17:54
<ryudo>
rm -rf /tmp/* solve ?
17:55
<Nuba1>
wont work ryudo
17:55
restart server does take them away though
17:55
and if you dont use floppies, u can get rid of them by taking them out of the bios
17:55
<johnny>
Nuba1, really?
17:55
<Nuba1>
does for me
17:55
<johnny>
ok
17:55
i'll try that
17:55
when i get a chance
17:55
prolly tomorrow night
17:56
atm.. i deal with the floppies
17:56
cuz people are using those computers
17:56
<ryudo>
ok i reboot my server !
17:56
nubal i use floppy :(
17:56
<Nuba1>
pxe cards dont cost much these days johnny
17:56
<ryudo>
my stundents use floppy ahahah
17:56
<Nuba1>
;-)
17:56
<johnny>
Nuba1 one of my computers can't pxeboot
17:56
<Nuba1>
ryudo: tell them to use usb sticks
17:56
<johnny>
even tugh it has a pxe card
17:56
<ryudo>
nubal sorry my english is so poor :(
17:56
<johnny>
it gets an error when it tries
17:56
i've been told it is due to dnsmasq tho
17:56
<Nuba1>
really? wow strange
17:56
<ryudo>
yeah good idea
17:56
<johnny>
and how it doesn't work around certain buggy clients
17:57
unlike the isc dhcpd
17:57
<Nuba1>
what about etherboot?
17:58
<johnny>
how would i know if that worked?
17:58
i know the boot floppy i have does..
17:58
<Nuba1>
then on a rom it should work too
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17:59
<johnny>
well.. what does that mean to me?
17:59
sorry.. i don't understand what you are suggesting
17:59
<Nubae>
rom on a network card
18:00
etherboot instead of pxe
18:00
for the fault computer
18:00
faulty
18:00
<johnny>
how would i do that?
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<Nubae>
get a network card with etherboot instead of pxe
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<johnny>
oh.. this is built in
18:01
<Nubae>
or buy an eprom, think rom-o.matic even sell them
18:01
<johnny>
trying not to spend any more on
18:01
cards
18:01
the floppy is fine
18:01
1 of 4 is ok enough
18:01
<Nubae>
the eprom is a chip
18:02
<johnny>
i know.. but i'm not paying to fix up one card
18:02
<Nubae>
u could probaby plug into the card
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<johnny>
it's not wroth it
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<Nubae>
hmm... maybe not... for me it was causing me more time to get the rom-o-matic floppies and cdroms made
18:03
but thats with 70 computers
18:03
not just a couple
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<johnny>
sure
18:04
but then you get bulk costs :)
18:04
and can buy stuff that actually has consistant hardware :)
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<Nubae>
well... u'd think so
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<ryudo>
nubal
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<johnny>
unlike my motley mix :)
18:04
<Nubae>
wouldn't you :-)
18:04
<ryudo>
i make all updates on chroot
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<Nubae>
but I have like 20 different kind of machines
18:04
<ryudo>
rebuild my image
18:04
<Nubae>
inheritance laws...
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<ryudo>
and reboot my server
18:05
dont work :(
18:05
many floppys on desktop :(
18:05
<Nubae>
strange... ryudo... should work
18:05
have u also updated the server?
18:05
<ryudo>
no
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<Nubae>
with hardy-proposed
18:05
do that too
18:05
<ryudo>
i no update the server using proposed repository
18:06
<johnny>
Nubae, ogra said that all of the relevent fixes were in the client
18:06
<ryudo>
ok i try again
18:06
<johnny>
so no need to make the server hardy-proposed
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<ryudo>
:(
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<Nubae>
hmmm... he told me to do both
18:06
<johnny>
ryudo, come back when ogra is here
18:06
comment on the bugs
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<Nubae>
yeah... to be honest, I haven't seen it work...
18:06
the multiple removable media thing...
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<ryudo>
updateting my server using proposed updates
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<Nubae>
but then I haven't had my chroot and server updated
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<jammcq>
hola
18:11
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
18:11
<Lns>
hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey lns
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<ryudo>
15 floppy icons on client desktop
18:13
ehehe :( I will cry
18:15
<Lns>
wow ryudo, you have 15 floppy drives in one client? =p
18:15
that's impressive
18:15
<ryudo>
no its a freaking bug :)
18:15
<Lns>
oh, I thought you had some crazy usb floppy cluster going there. ;)
18:15* Lns doesn't think sarcasm translates well
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<Lns>
I wish *I* had 15 floppy drives
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<Nubae>
ryudo: then only one solutino I can think of
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disable floppy drives from bios
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get kids to use usb sticks
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<ryudo>
:{
18:17
kids are kill me
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<Nubae>
or just enable one computer with the floppy
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tell them they have to put it in that computer
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<ryudo>
in ltsp fesity version all will fine ich floppys
18:18
<Nubae>
i know its a recent bug
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<ryudo>
but in hardy heron no :(
18:18
<Nubae>
because of the move to gvfs
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<ryudo>
its true
18:18
:{
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<johnny>
or.. just wate til it gets fixed..
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wait*
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<Nubae>
its supposed to be fixed
18:26
according to launchpad and the devs...
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<ryudo>
nubae
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where i find this ticket on lauchpad ?
18:31
i need read it
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<ryudo>
nubae
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finish ALL updates
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i go restart the server and try again :D
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<ryudo>
nubae
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dont work :(
18:53
i make all updates avaliabes and the floppy bug still
18:55
<johnny>
ryudo, then come back tomorrow :)
18:56
<ryudo>
:{ i need fix this issue johnny
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<johnny>
ogra will be about tomorrow hopefully
18:59
you can bug him then :)
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<ryudo>
:{
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<ryudo>
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 8 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <ogra> man Xsession says so, yes, but its not used or needed in ubuntu/debian where we rely on alternatives for that
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<ryudo>
!seen sbal
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: I have not seen sbal.
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<ryudo>
!seen sbalneves
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: I have not seen sbalneves.
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<ryudo>
!seen gadi
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 8 hours, 44 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <Gadi> bbiab
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<johnny>
ryudo, scott isn't around often
21:15
stop that please
21:15
people will help you when they can
21:15
<ryudo>
sorry johnny
21:15
<johnny>
gonna have to try back in at least 4 more hours
21:15
ogra won't be around until at least that point
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<ryudo>
whats o' clock in your country ?
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<johnny>
mine.. 2217
21:16
ogra.. a bit later
21:16
:)
21:16
<ryudo>
23:16 here
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<johnny>
i'm GMT -5
21:16
he's GMT + 2 at least
21:16
<ryudo>
i'm GMT -3
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<johnny>
maybe 3..
21:17
<ryudo>
johnny you update your serve wich all proposed updates and chroot too ?
21:17
<johnny>
not until tomorrow night
21:17
or friday night at the latest
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<ryudo>
hum i aplly all updates here
21:19
but the many icons in the desktop not desapear
21:19
floppy icons
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<johnny>
ryudo, does it keep adding more?
21:24
maybe you have to find a way to forcibly remove them
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<ryudo>
to each new terminal that makes login, a new icon file is added on the desktop of the other terminals. if i have 15 terminals logged i have 15 icons on desktop ! O_O
21:27
i try remove /tmp/terminal files but dont solve ehehe
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<johnny>
even after the updates ?
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<ryudo>
yes
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<johnny>
it could be because of those files tho..
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i bet it doesn't remove the old files
22:12
n
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