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Channel log from 4 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<slappy>
ogra: as you guggested, I read about XFS for folder inheritance, and it doesn't look pretty stable with power failiure. Could SAMBa acheive what I need, aka sharing folder on the same machine with everybody in the group having read write access for file/folder creation? And in a perfect world, moving files in the shared folder inherite the folder permissions.
05:52
<ogra>
no idea, i never abused samba as a local loopback service ...
05:52
:)
05:53
<slappy>
thanks
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<Vince-0>
whoot ! i gots thin client to log in
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<Q-FUNK>
:)
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08:53
<Nuba1>
god bless ddrescue!
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<cdealer>
hi ... can anyone give me a hint on why my mouse isnt working on my clients ?
08:54
<Nuba1>
serial or usb?
08:54
<cdealer>
serial, ps2
08:55
<Nuba1>
hmmm... there are some flags u can set in lts.conf
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<cdealer>
Hmm
08:55
Nuba1, do you remember what are these flags ?
08:55
<Nuba1>
looking
08:56
X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "IMPS/2" X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/input/mice"
08:56
X_MOUSE on newline
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<cdealer>
Hmm thanks !
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09:11
<ChiKu_>
hello
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<ChiKu_>
is there any manager for ltsp? to get information about all thin clients, accounting ?
09:14
<ogra>
ChiKu_, ubuntu has thin-client-manager for the trivial tasks (see who's logged in, kick out people, send msgs) and italc for the advanced stuff (manage desktops ad desktop groups, run in presentation mode etc)
09:15
<ChiKu_>
how you launch it?
09:15
what it's the name of these binary?
09:15
<ogra>
you install either thin-client-manager-gnome (or -kde) or italc-master ....
09:16
they will show up in your menu
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<ChiKu_>
ok thx
09:16
<ogra>
italc needs a bit of setup to know where the clients are etc ...
09:17
<ChiKu_>
ogra, do you know why on some client I got command line and not ldm? and some clients got ldm ?
09:18
it's not same clients machine spec
09:19
with hardy installation, it's for all i386? like pentium 3 ?
09:19
<ogra>
all pentium class cpus
09:19
<ChiKu_>
amd too?
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09:19
<ogra>
yes
09:19
<ChiKu_>
I don't understand why
09:19
some client netboot
09:20
then get splash screen
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then not get ldm but command line
09:20
some one one got ldm and I can logon
09:20
<ogra>
do you have an lts.conf file where you set any values ?
09:21
<ChiKu_>
nope, I only install hardy with ltsp no change any settings
09:22
I never open or edit lts.conf
09:22
<ogra>
what kind of graphics cards are in the clients that dont get ldm ?
09:22
<ChiKu_>
I should?
09:22
<ogra>
no
09:22
its fine
09:23
if we find a bug you can use lts.conf to work around it ... but some people use old lts.conf files from ltsp4 which can cause problems ... thats why i ask
09:23
<ChiKu_>
I don't know about graphic cards, differents models
09:23
on server, it's nvidia
09:24
but client, I don't know
09:25
radeon ATi client machine it's ok
09:25
<ogra>
geode/amd is known to have problems
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<ChiKu_>
other client with intel i845 doesn't knows
09:34
but if client can display ubuntu splash screen, it should display ldm?
09:34
other client with intel i845 doesn't work
09:35
<ogra>
can you find out the MAC address of that client ? then you can try to set XSERVER=intel in the lts.conf for that client and see if that helps
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<ChiKu_>
I will try it another time, when i can get on my LAN
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<Grejao>
if i have a greate server that support many users, how many users can i connect at ltsp simultaneously ??
09:50
<ChiKu_>
hum what are the advantages about ltsp and terminal X? except boot (diskless)
09:51
terminal X and ltsp use ssh right?
09:51
ltsp it's chroot? and not terminal X?
09:51
<Grejao>
ChiKu_, yeap, i am thinking to put many diskless, they have cust lower than thinclients...
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<Grejao>
ChiKu_, yeap, i am thinking to put many diskless, they have cust lower than thinclients...
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13:06
<Nuba1>
Is there a way to remote reboot a ltsp client?
13:07
<vagrantc>
not without manual configuration
13:07
<laga>
broom handle + power switch?
13:07
<Nuba1>
so, setting up ssh keys on server and client I guess
13:07
laga: funny :-)
13:08
<vagrantc>
Nuba1: yeah, that's basically one way to do it.
13:09
<Nuba1>
would like to make it easy for the teacher... maybe a link to a script on the desktop... would be a nice feature for italc, come to think of it
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<gbolte>
Nuba1, thats the reason I was attempting to install iTALC client into the NBD image then it would be able to shutdown and reboot client boxes
13:29
however I was unable to get it to install
13:29
http://italc.sourceforge.net/
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<ogra>
Nuba1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot
13:31
that works only for clients with a user logged in though
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and isnt finished indeed
13:36
laga, how boring, rather take a whip ... you might miss the TC and have fun withusers
13:37
<laga>
ogra: that explains the whole thing with max mosley
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<ogra>
heh
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<stgraber>
gbolte: it's possible to install italc in the chroot but you need to use our beta packages and we still have some issues :)
14:10
gbolte: basically the daemon will run fine but you won't be able to start the teacher interface on a computer that's running the daemon in the chroot
14:10
gbolte: so you can basically manage your thin client network only from fat clients or workstations :)
14:11
that's something upstream and I are working on and we know have a patch fixing half of the issue (italc is no longer complaining but can't control computers ...)
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<Nuba1>
so, will italc allow you to reboot thin clients in a near future?
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<Nuba1>
and I assume echo "/sbin/reboot">.ltsp_client_socket would allow for the thin client to reboot?
14:24
<ogra>
right
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but that needs the established ldm tunnel
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so only works with users logged in
14:25
<Nuba1>
ah... logical... not that useful then, but better than nothing
14:26
this is unrelated, but do you know where I can set the mail scripts to send in utf-8? I've set both php and mysql to utf-8, but still get blank messages sent+
14:27
unless its encoded iso8859-1
14:28
maybe there is some file that is more general to the entire system, locale maybe?
14:35
<alkisg>
Nuba1, until someone that knows better responds, do you send a utf-8 header? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? At least that's what I had to do when using cgi/sendmail some years ago...
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<TheBartman>
hi guys
14:40
anyone around
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<Q-FUNK>
hm. I really wonder what's going on with the PPA builders. more than one hour since I uploaded a package and it's still building.
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<TheBartman>
any help finding some docs to secure ltsp and the desktop in a public env
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<Grejao>
ChiKu_, yeap, i am thinking to put many diskless, they have cust lower than thinclients...
14:49
if i have a greate server that support many users, how many users can i connect at ltsp simultaneously ??
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<Nuba1>
using vmware, one can add .xsession to the users home dir, and then the user is then presented with ldm, but logs in and automatically is taken to the vmware windows screen. This seems great for people who want their windows, but is the same possible with virtualbox?
15:08
or are there better ways of doing this... allowing a user to start a thin client and be presented with a windows session
15:15
<lmckayjo>
I'm having a problem setting XF86CONFIG_FILE in lts.conf, then getting a file not found error when the client tries to copy that file... Using RHEL5 and LTSP5 (Debian tarball, if that matters). Anybody know what might be causing that? I tried using full paths in the lts.conf, and putting the file in /etc as well as /etc/X11, and no luck so far.
15:16
Is there some way to get verbose logging back to the server, so I can see exactly where it's looking for that file?
15:16
<Nuba1>
did u rebuild the image?
15:17
<lmckayjo>
No...
15:17
I thought it mounted the whole /opt/ltsp/i386 since I can see everything on there from the client
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<lns_>
Q-FUNK, I'm guessing I can't use your geode debs from your ppa since one of them isn't compiled yet.. ? =)
15:18
<Q-FUNK>
lns_: you can
15:19
just that the nsc one is still in queue
15:19
<Nuba1>
in my experience, need to rebuild the image
15:19
<lns_>
for nsc anyway... I just upgraded a new chroot w/yer PPA, and it pulled geode and amd, but I'm not getting an X session
15:19
Sitting at a 80x24 blank screen w/blinking cursor
15:19
<lmckayjo>
okay, I'll see if rebuilding is going to work
15:19
thanks
15:19
<Nuba1>
oh... u mounting via nfs lmckayjo
15:19
?
15:20
or nbd?
15:20
<Q-FUNK>
lns_: upgraded the packages then rebuilt the image?
15:20
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, yes
15:20
on those koolu tcs
15:20
<lmckayjo>
NFS yeah
15:21
<Nuba1>
then it shouldnt matter
15:21
<Q-FUNK>
lns_: and you pulled everything that my hardy ppa provides?
15:21
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, except nsc
15:21
<Q-FUNK>
ok
15:21
can you hand on the channel for a bit?
15:21
<Nuba1>
paste your lts.conf lmckayjo
15:22
<Q-FUNK>
hang..
15:22
<Nuba1>
!pastebot
15:22
<ltspbot>
Nuba1: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
15:22
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, np
15:22
if this is of any use
15:22
<lmckayjo>
Nuba: in a sec rebooting my server
15:22
<lns_>
this was printed while setting up *amd: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
15:22
<Q-FUNK>
lns_: I'm waiting for the nsc build to complete, then uploading a slightly differnet geode too
15:22
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, ok
15:22
how long? I might go grab some lunch
15:23
Q-FUNK, also - i'm booting up to 20" Dell flat screens
15:23
if that makes a diff
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<Q-FUNK>
https://launchpad.net/~q-funk/+archive
15:23
<lns_>
wide flatscreen
15:23
<Q-FUNK>
that should still work
15:24
if you only see the cursor, it means that the driver isn't starting
15:24
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, yea - that's yer ppa i pulled from
15:24
<warren>
I use my Dell 20" wide flat screen with a DBE61
15:24
<ltsppbot>
"lmckayjo" pasted "lts.conf" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/536
15:24
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, ok - I also can't get a login on tty1 - no login prompt, but shows bootup sequence
15:24
<Q-FUNK>
warren: you finally got it to work?
15:25
<warren>
Q-FUNK: it was working fine on the DBE61A (until the unit warms up and the memory errors begin)
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<lmckayjo>
Nuba: commented out lines are used instead of the XF86CONFIG_FILE to get the thing working, but unfortunately having nvidia drivers for some clients means wrong drivers for other clients, so I basically need xorg.confs for each one
15:25
<warren>
Q-FUNK: the DBE61C worked but with DDC failure until you gave me the new coreboot ROM
15:25
Q-FUNK: after that, it is fine now.
15:25
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, no additional steps besides pulling from your PPA and rebuilding image, right?
15:26
<Q-FUNK>
warren: and it manages to poll ddc alone and get max rez, on etherboot?
15:26
<Nuba1>
xorg.test.conf that is in the chroot's root
15:26
?
15:27
<warren>
Q-FUNK: well, I've been traveling so I haven't been home to try my 20" wide flat LCD
15:27
Q-FUNK: I used it on other LCD's and it did indeed DDC fine
15:27
<lmckayjo>
I've put it in the chroot's /etc, as per examples online, as well as trying XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/xorg.test.conf
15:28
same error regardless
15:28
<Nuba1>
lmckayjo: the one u pasted though should be in /xorg.test.conf
15:29
anyway, the mac address allows for u to set a driver per computer... using xorg.conf should really be last resort
15:29
can u not put in all your mac addresses and define which card they should use?
15:30
<lmckayjo>
Nuba1: I can, but I'm having issues with nvidia vs nvidia legacy, as well as setting very non-standard resolutions for all my i845 onboard graphics
15:30
<warren>
hey can somebody check Debian/Ubuntu's packaging
15:30
<Nuba1>
in other words, does putting xserver=nvidia work for the mac address u mentioned?
15:30
<warren>
where does jetpipe.8 (the manpage) get installed?
15:30
<Nuba1>
ok... resolutions u can set with X_VERTICAL_RATE and X_HORIZONTAL_RATE
15:30
<lmckayjo>
Nuba1: yes, it does. Setting resolutions and drivers for some other cards/machines doesn't work right though, so I really want a full xorg.conf for some of those machines
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<Nuba1>
I used that to set my widescreen monitors to work at 1440x900
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<lmckayjo>
Is the full XF86 modeline method okay? I tried that for my 1680x1050 panels and had no luck, although the same modelines worked great in KNoppix
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using X
15:32
_Mode_0
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<Nuba1>
let[00:50:BF:9A:1C:8F]
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X_MODE_0 = 1440x900
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X_HORZSYNC=24-80
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X_VERTREFRESH=56-76
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like so...
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<lmckayjo>
Yeah, and that didn't work right for me. I think I may just scrounge up enough geforce 5500's for my clients with unfriendly onboard video
15:33
<Nuba1>
I couldnt get my resolutions to work on the widescreen monitors until I put the horzsync and vertfresh
15:33
<warren>
Anybody on Ubuntu with LTSP?
15:34
<lns_>
warren, yes me
15:34
<Nuba1>
waht distro lmckayjo?
15:34
<warren>
lns: could you please find the location that jetpipe and jetpipe.8 are installed on your filesystem.
15:34
<Nuba1>
warren: yeah
15:34
<lmckayjo>
Okay - I'll keep that in mind. Have you done anything with twinview?
15:34
Nuba1: RH enterprise 5
15:34
<Nuba1>
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/jetpipe
15:34
<warren>
jetpipe.8?
15:34
<lns_>
warren, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/man/man8/jetpipe.8.gz
15:34
<warren>
thanks
15:34
<lns_>
heh
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<Nuba1>
I believe warren is redhatty...
15:36
lmckayjo is having problems getting his xorg.conf to load... but says redhat still uses nfs and not nbd
15:36
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, so right now i'm dead in the water - what's the ETA on having what you want on your ppa? I can come back here in a bit if needed
15:36
<Nuba1>
so I assume one doesnt need to rebuild image to get lts.conf to see the xorg.conf file
15:40
<Q-FUNK>
lns_: no idea. apparently some guys were building kernel packages, which takes a while
15:40
<lns_>
Q-FUNK, ok - is there anythign i can do in the meantime to get at least a lower res on the TCs?
15:41
Everyone is excited about the new TCs ;)
15:42
<lmckayjo>
Anyone here use Sunray clients in a mixed-client environment? Is there any major hurdle to doing that (proprietary bios issues or whatnot)?
15:42
with a non-Sun server, of course :)
15:43
<warren>
aren't sunray clients only usable with a sunray server?
15:45
<lmckayjo>
That's my impression... I haven't tried yet, but I've got a couple lying around
15:45* lns_ is going to Taco Bell, will be back in ~30-45min
15:45
<Q-FUNK>
30-45 sounds good
15:45
<warren>
must wait 1.5 hours for lunch
15:51
<jcastro>
lmckayjo: they suck.
15:51
the sunray server software isn't reliable on linux in my experience
15:51
it was easier to just move everything to ltsp. :)
15:51
<warren>
can the sunray clients boot their own OS and run X?
15:51
I doubt it
15:51
<jcastro>
nope
15:52
they're worthless without the server software
15:52
<warren>
that's my impression as well
15:52
and it relies upon sun's X which is a bit buggy and crappy
15:52
<jcastro>
the whole platform is pretty 1990's
15:53
for the same price you can get normal X terms and not depend on their software
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<lmckayjo>
yeah, if I didn't have a couple lying around I wouldn't bother.. I really wouldn't want to deal with sunrays unless they just "worked" with pxelinux etc
15:57
<ogra>
hey, they are the most beautiful paperweights :)
15:57
<lmckayjo>
yeah, they look nice just sitting there!
15:58
<warren>
do they give away the sunray server software these days?
15:58
it used to be ridiculously expensive and buggy
15:58
<lmckayjo>
They do, I'm pretty sure. People have hacked it to run on just about any distro
15:58
I think it's still probably really buggy
15:59
<jcastro>
I wonder how well those EEE desktops will run as thin clients
15:59
<warren>
many years ago I found a school that had 35 useless sunray clients because their sun server was woefully underpowered. I edited one config file line to X -query a linux box sitting next to it, and bam, it became useful.
15:59
<jcastro>
it could be the intel video powered thin client I've always wanted
15:59
<ogra>
warren, there was a bootimage you could get for free
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<warren>
jcastro: hopefully the bios quality is better than their portable EEE
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<ogra>
warren, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnSunRay somebody used it on ubuntu
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<warren>
jcastro: the portable EEE were incredibly stupid. it could do PXE, but only if you unplug the power cable
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<jcastro>
warren: hahaha
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ogra: I helped that guy write that page!
16:01
<warren>
ogra: btw, I hear that Skolelinux has working local apps support?
16:01
<ogra>
jcastro, i know
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<jcastro>
it's possible to get the sunray server software to run on ubuntu, but it was unreliable
16:01
<ogra>
warren, using xrecexd and no ldap ?
16:03
warren, getting localapps to work with nfs mounted home, ldap ad a locally running sshd is not rocket science but surely not the stuff we want upstream
16:03
s/ad/and/
16:04
warren, any link to thei implementation ?
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<warren>
ogra: I have no idea how it works, I only heard from fanboys who say "skole is way ahead of ubuntu and fedora"
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<ogra>
*their
16:05
i wouldnt cal cfengine scripts that break upgradeability *ahead* of anything :)
16:05
*call
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but they have surely something that works out of the box in their setup
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<warren>
how is scottie's unimplemented design different?
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<ogra>
it uses the rootwindow and xprops to communicate (no local sshd needed)
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it doesnt use nfs but a wrapper around sshf so mounting can be done by ldm
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<warren>
sshfs lacked something though
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what was it
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<ogra>
statfs
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<warren>
and which app needs that?
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<ogra>
FF needs t know the fre space and doesnt like it
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(sorry, having one handed dinner whie typing)
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<warren>
darn. FF is the main thing we need running as localapp.
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<ogra>
right
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we need to get scottie movin in portland
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<warren>
anyone looked into how difficult it would be for sshfs to do statfs?
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<ogra>
he wanted to prepare code etc
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scott
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he had plans and ideas and also more code than we all know he didnt publish i think
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<ogra>
we'll see it in portland
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i talked to lennart about our pulse setup n prague btw
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he didnt find it to weird :)
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<lmckayjo>
Is firefox and other "slow" stuff going to have greatly improved performance at gigabit compared to 100mbit? Assuming a ridiculously fast server, at least?
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<ogra>
and we actually found a bug in pulse while going through it
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<warren>
oh?
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lmckayjo: the biggest challenge is stuff like youtube taking up WAY too much bandwidth
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<ogra>
default.pa is supposed to be a script as well as a config file
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but he expected the shebang line to be able to take multiple options (which doesnt work)
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<lmckayjo>
warren: seems like youtube-quality video wouldn't slow things down much. Does the client resolution affect the bandwidth requirements severely? So that youtube video @320x240 or whatever they use is scaled up to 1280x800 (or higher) when somebody foolishly fullscreens it.
16:19
then of course eats the bandwidth where original-sized 320x240 wouldn't have
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<warren>
lmckayjo: just try it and see, it is surprisingly huge
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lmckayjo: flash plugin seems to transmit every single pixel even if it didn't change
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<ogra>
used bandwith = resolution x colordepth
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thats a general rule
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(for X forwarding)
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<lmckayjo>
hmmm
16:23
looks like gigabit will be in order then.
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<ogra>
at least between server and switch GigE makes sense
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<lmckayjo>
yeah, I've got that on my "test" setup right now, but still working out other issues before really stress testing things. I'll need to decide how far down the line to put gigabit once I have real users on the system
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<Nuba1>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
Nuba1: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<lmckayjo>
Some of which will be dual-head at 1680x1050... if I can get that working
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<ogra>
you can, but need to create a custom xorg.conf
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<lmckayjo>
right, and I've been having issues with file not found errors trying to specify those
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which is totally baffling to me
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<ogra>
it needs to be in the image
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(if you use ubuntu at least)
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<lmckayjo>
I don't have an image though, using a debian tarball and nfs on RHEL5
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<ogra>
oh
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<alkisg>
ogra, about bandwidth = resolution x colordepth, with flash 9 and hardware acceleration, is this still true?
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<lmckayjo>
I've set permissions to whorishly loose, put the file in every possible place it might be looking, and still cannot stat.
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<ogra>
alkisg, well, thats independent of flash ... for that your likely need to add: x frames/second
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<dyn>
!debian
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<ltspbot>
dyn: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
16:27
<alkisg>
ogra, isn't stretching done by the X server? so bandwidth = 320x240xcolordepth?
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<dyn>
!hi
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<ltspbot>
dyn: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
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<alkisg>
ogra, (for stretched fullscreen video)
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<ogra>
lmckayjo, you need to put it into the chroot
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lmckayjo, and ten specify a relative path to it
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<lmckayjo>
ogra: yeah, I've done that :)
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<ogra>
lmckayjo, i.e. in ubuntu the chrooot is in /opt/ltsp/i386 .... so you copy the file to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-xorg.conf ... in the lts.conf you specify X_CONF=/etc/my-xorg.conf
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<lmckayjo>
is there any reason using XF86CONFIG_FILE = ... would break that? I mean, it's still looking for the file but maybe some other issue from using dep'd code
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instead of X_CONF that is
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<ogra>
depends how old your tarball is
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<lmckayjo>
hmmm
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<ogra>
ah, well. i just looked, we seem to have retained backwards compatibility until today here
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<lmckayjo>
ok
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<ogra>
so XF86CONFIG_FILE should work
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<gbolte>
stgraber, oh I see...well the only being able to run the control from a fat client should not be an issue...I can just vnc into the server and run it correct?
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<ogra>
no
16:49
thats what he said
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you can run it everywhere but on the server
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<gbolte>
oh I thought he meant that you can run it on the server if its not from a tc
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<lns_>
Q-FUNK, back
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<lns_>
Q-FUNK, how we lookin
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<Q-FUNK>
took 3 ours for the damn buildd to barf
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<lns_>
heh
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<ogra>
get a faster buildd :)
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<lns_>
so should i come back tomorrow? I'm about 20 miles away from my office and just kinda hanging out at this point
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It'd be cool to have at least a low-res TC but I understand if it's not possible right now
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: PPA is the bugger. someone was apparently shoving kernels into it
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the queue got impossibly long
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<ogra>
oh, yeah
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<Q-FUNK>
and still is long
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<Nuba1>
hey does ddrescue need to be done on 2 disks of the same FS type¿
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?
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<Q-FUNK>
lns_: depends if you have time or not
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<lns_>
Q-FUNK, I can always remote in and have someone here just turn on one of the clients and test it
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after changes are made
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<Q-FUNK>
that could work too
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<lns_>
cool, i'll do that
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thx a bunch for the help
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<Q-FUNK>
:)
17:51* lns loves vnc over ssh
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