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Channel log from 26 May 2012   (all times are UTC)

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04:37* alkisg waves to vagrantc
04:37* vagrantc waves to alkisg
04:37
<alkisg>
So after all those bug fixes, does it work at all?
04:37
<vagrantc>
ltsp-config nbd-server basically works
04:38
dnsmasq support is kinda borked
04:38
the install_examples function doesn't seem to handle no language extension ... even though it looks like it should
04:39
<alkisg>
Ouch, /me has a lot of work to do on Sunday then :)
04:40
Ah and we need to modify postinst to actually use ltsp-config
04:40
<vagrantc>
isc-dhcp-server seemed to work, although on debian it will require modifying /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
04:41
<alkisg>
We can put overridable functions like in other tools
04:41
<vagrantc>
won't be able to do so for the potential policy violations
04:41
<alkisg>
In ubuntu's postinst we do modify the nbd-server configuration anyway
04:42
...but since no images exist at that point, we should probably remove it from there...
04:42
<vagrantc>
nbd-server in debian configures /etc/nbd-server/config by default now
04:42
oh, new upload of nbd today... hopefully for the best
04:43
<alkisg>
Hmm we'd need to modify our check for when to start nbd-server
04:43
Because before, ltsp-config nbd-server would start nbd-server if no config was found,
04:43
but if nbd-server ships a config, it should check conf.d/* instead
04:44
Or check if nbd-server is running
04:44
<vagrantc>
the service function is weird ...
04:44
<alkisg>
How can we make it better?
04:45
E.g. in gentoo they manually run the services with /usr/sbin/*...
04:45
<muppis>
Hopefully it's only me. Alt-Tab (nor Alt-Abovetab) doesn't work in 12.04 fat with unity.
04:45
<vagrantc>
it should check for service in $PATH
04:45
alkisg: debian has both service and invoke-rc.d ... it we should prefer service if it's available
04:46
<alkisg>
Ah, I thought it was the other way around
04:46
So, service if it exists, invoke-rc.d if it exists, and finally fall back to running the service from path?
04:46
<vagrantc>
actually, i'm not sure now ... the service thing is newish
04:47
<alkisg>
muppis: I haven't seen that behavior... try with a new user?
04:48
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what i don't know is if service will respect policy-rc.d and stuff like that...
04:48
but service seems to support upstart if it's installed, which would be good.
04:50
<alkisg>
vagrantc:
04:50
alkisg@alkis:~$ sudo strace -e trace=file service nbd-server start 2>&1 | grep policy
04:50
alkisg@alkis:~$ sudo strace -e trace=file invoke-rc.d nbd-server start 2>&1 | grep policy
04:50
stat64("/usr/sbin/policy-rc.d", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=20, ...}) = 0
04:50
...no checks
04:50
<vagrantc>
hmmm.
04:50
maybe would be better to default to invoke-rc.d, then.
04:55* alkisg wishes a good day/night etc to all, bb
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19:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: can we submit ltsp manpage updates for wheezy in e.g. a couple of weeks?
19:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: probably, though depends on how invasive the changes are
19:39
alkisg: if it requires a new build system or something, ugh
19:39
<alkisg>
No, nothing like that
19:40
E.g. ltsp-update-image still mentions port 2000 etc
19:40
<vagrantc>
if it's just a straight update of the documentation, should be fine.
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19:40
<alkisg>
Some of the tools have very different command line options now too, and some of them lacked the options in the manpage the first place
19:41
Cool, so I'll focus on testing for now, and do the manpages later on
19:41* alkisg just found out that firefox supports `man:ltsp-update-image` URLs :)
19:41
<vagrantc>
waaah.
19:41
:)
19:42
<muppis>
alkisg, not in Windows. ;)
19:42
<alkisg>
Haha
19:43
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, that's a bad joke and you should feel bad.
19:43
<alkisg>
Meh Ubuntu Greek translators decided that some of my upstream greek translations for epoptes weren't good enough! :D :D
19:43
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, it wasn't a joke.
19:43
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, you mean you really are using Windows? :o
19:43
<vagrantc>
alkisg: here's to peer review!
19:43
<muppis>
Rebuilding my ltsp enviroment, so had to use Windows 7 for a while.
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, sinner! Blasphemer!
19:44
;-)
19:45
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, what I can say... No Force Feedback -compliant system in Linux, so had to use for gaming also.
19:46
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, I'm just teasing you... using Windows 7 myself, for audio editing/recording mainly. :)
19:46
<alkisg>
What's wrong with audacity? Which tool are you using in windows?
19:47
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, I noticed. :)
19:47* alkisg is using windows for ... chkdsk /f ntfs volumes :P
19:48
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, Adobe Audition.
19:48
<muppis>
In some machines I used Windows to just visit http://goodbye-microsoft.com with IE..
19:48
<Hyperbyte>
And there's lots of stuff wrong with Audacity
19:50
<alkisg>
I used to work with cooledit pro years ago, but I don't think it was too much better than audacity
19:50
No idea how better it's now that adobe has it
19:50
<muppis>
I think I should get some sleep. My kids are sleeping long if they aren't waking me up at 7.00 atleast.
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20:15
<muppis>
This is wierd. Only session I got is Failsafe xterm.
20:36
<alkisg>
Maybe gnome got angry because you were using windows :P
20:37
<muppis>
:D
20:37
But it happens in all clients.
20:39
<alkisg>
Run ldminfod on the server (or the client, if you use fats) and see what sessions it lists
20:40
<muppis>
http://pastebin.com/yzWyKuCe
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21:11
<msignor>
hello - can anyone point me in the best direction for troubleshooting my NFS home mount? Specifically why it would not be working?
21:12
I am able to properly mount by hand - and the lts.conf is properly modified. There is only one in the tftp root folder as well, but no way to confirm that is where it is being read from
21:13
<muppis>
In which distro?
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21:15
<msignor>
debian squeeze server / ubuntu chroot
21:15
<muppis>
o.O
21:16
<msignor>
yeah. my server is low power (500mhz) and is also my nfs server for some file sharing
21:16
but i built an ubuntu chroot as it was much easier / faster than going the straight debian way
21:17
(using fat client btw)
21:17
<muppis>
Ah.
21:17
Tried autofs_
21:17
?
21:17
<msignor>
nope..
21:17
not that i know of at least
21:18
i honestly had set this up all working at one point. rebuilt my server due to me being dumb.. and now i am trying to piece through what I did to get it all working
21:18
it boots, gets to login, can login, but I have no mounts
21:18
<muppis>
Founded that easy to use in most situations where home mount over nfs was needed.
21:19
<msignor>
is there a link / page I can read to verify how it should be configured?
21:20
<muppis>
Can't give yoy direct url, but google for: ubuntu autofs nfs home
21:21
My GUI is messed up and I can use only tty right now.
21:23
<msignor>
hrmn . just googled for it
21:24
shouldn't the lts.conf handle the home mapping by default?
21:24
ie, if you specify "/home" it will try to nfs mount (server):/home to /home?
21:27
<muppis>
I'll boot my client so I can see what's the deal.
21:30
Oh, bummmer. I'm using a thin, so I can't really tell how it is mounted in fat.
21:30
<msignor>
hrmn
21:30
okay, i appreciate the effort
21:31
perhaps my issue is that I don't really recall what I did to the debian ltsp server to enable it for the squashfs image
21:31
:)
21:31
<muppis>
:D
21:32
I rebuild a fat image in no time.
21:33
<vagrantc>
msignor: sudo ltsp-update-image
21:34
msignor: and then it should download the file from the tftp dir, if present
21:34
msignor: what version of ubuntu?
21:34
<msignor>
10.04 is my chroot
21:34
server is deb squeeze
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21:34
<msignor>
(i rebuild the chroots via an nfs mount -- ie: my local /opt/ltsp is an nfs mount to the server /opt/ltsp)
21:35
maybe this is what is breaking things?
21:35
my notebook is core 2 so much faster than the slow 500mhz server..
21:36
<vagrantc>
msignor: you could also build the image on the ubuntu side, and just deploy it in /opt/ltsp/images/
21:36
<msignor>
copy / paste you mean?
21:36
<vagrantc>
oh, but the ltsp-update-sshkeys will be wrong
21:36
msignor: no idea what you mean about copy and paste ...
21:37
<msignor>
you meant copy the image if compressed locally to the server right
21:38
also, I ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server prior to the rebuild image
21:38
<vagrantc>
yes, but ltsp-update-image will "fix" it for you if you run from the wrong place
21:39
<msignor>
should I just try updating the image from the server and deal with the 2 hour rebuild?
21:39
<vagrantc>
either that or manually hack your own copy of ltsp-update-image
21:40
<msignor>
should I be concerned that I am not running tftp in the standard root folder?
21:40
i have it moved to /tftpboot
21:41
<vagrantc>
should still work
21:41
at least, that used to be a supported location
21:43
<msignor>
Just to clarify on all this: I have a DD-WRT router which gives my IP's and bootp info. I have server (1) which is just a file server and it runs ltsp server as well as the nfs-server, its debian and has tftpd-hpa .. client is just built from my notebook and initially copied into the proper location on the server.
21:43
i don't really recall what other modifications I had done to get it working from the nbd image.
21:44
... i wouldn't mind starting over for the sake of sanity - but i just don't know what I did to get it working in the first place, heh
21:47
<vagrantc>
you've got this all kinds of complicated :P
21:47
<msignor>
but of course!
21:47
(im running a very lean, lean network from a power consumption standpoint)
21:47
<vagrantc>
you might need to specify NFS_HOME=ip.ad.dr.es:/home in lts.conf
21:48
<msignor>
hrmn.. good point...
21:48
let me try
21:48
<vagrantc>
given that your dhcp server is on a different ip ...
21:50
<msignor>
ok, shouldn't need to rebuild image - just boot and try eh?
21:50
<muppis>
Yes.
21:50
Just reboot. ;)
21:50
<msignor>
my lil vm is rebooting now, we will see
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21:51
<muppis>
Should that IP come out from the server where image is loaded? As I use DD-WRT's dhcpd as well and never specified any IP to lts.conf to get it working.
21:52
<msignor>
nope - no change
21:53
unfortunately i didn't set the root password in the chroot so I can't even see the error messages
21:53
<muppis>
put screen_02=shell to lts.conf so you get the root shell in ctrl-alt-f2
21:54
And put screen_07=ldm if you want the graphics at same time. :)
21:55
<msignor>
now this is weird. I logged into the terminal as root
21:56
try to mount the nfs path to some random path, and get operation not permitted
21:56
yet the same path works from another machine
21:56
<muppis>
Too strict sharing at nfs server?
21:56
<msignor>
dont think so. its set to wildcard
21:57
/mnt/ssd/home *(rw,no_root_squash,sync,no_subtree_check)
21:58
(/home is a symlink to /mnt/ssd/home)
22:00
<muppis>
I think I'm getting too tired to think clearly. It's 1.00am here.
22:00
<vagrantc>
msignor: do you have nfs-common installed in the chroot?
22:01
<muppis>
And my kids will kick me up in 6 hours, so I'll catch some sleep. Nights.
22:01* vagrantc waves to muppis
22:01
<msignor>
yeap - already tried that, when i did install nfs-common in the chroot, it just updated to the current version
22:01* muppis waves back to vagrantc
22:04
<msignor>
wellll shit. i just apt-get installed it in the chroot it (un-updated, since I didn't rebuild the image yet) and it worked
22:04
... like in the booted terminal, since i was root
22:05
looks like I need to rebuild and go from there
22:09
<vagrantc>
yup
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22:42
<vagrantc>
stgraber: is it sane to default UPDATES_MIRROR to be the same as MIRROR for ubuntu?
22:43
regarding: server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-updates-mirrors
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23:03
<vagrantc>
wheee!
23:04
built an Ubuntu chroot on a Debian server using the latest ltsp upstream code simply by passing: VENDOR=Ubuntu ltsp-build-client ...
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23:04
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yes, the only mirror that's usually different is the security mirror (security.ubuntu.com to avoid the mirroring delay)
23:07
<vagrantc>
stgraber: ok, i'll push that then.
23:07
saves some download time when using a local mirror and not having to specify both
23:07
stgraber: but the security stuff is usually also mirrored to the same location?
23:08
<stgraber>
yeah, most mirrors also mirror security but we never recommend using them as we want security updates pushed out as soon as possible
23:08
<vagrantc>
stgraber: er, security stuff is often also mirrored to the "regular" mirrors?
23:08
stgraber: for testing, is probably fine, though
23:09
<stgraber>
I believe it's the same model as Debian, encourage users to use local mirrors to reduce load on the main mirrors but recommend using the central security mirror to avoid the delay in case of emergency
23:09
<vagrantc>
in Debian, i don't think security mirrors are mirrored at all, as far as i know.
23:10
stgraber: so for new installs, it might make sense to add an entry for both $MIRROR $DIST-security as well as security.ubuntu.com $DIST-security ?
23:10
with the $MIRROR hit first?
23:11
<stgraber>
I think from a bandwidth point of view it'd be best to just have:
23:12
$MIRROR $DIST
23:12
$MIRROR $DIST-updates
23:12
security.ubuntu.com $DIST-security
23:12
or you'll end up downloading the listing for -security twice
23:12
security updates get copied to -updates, so in most cases if your local mirror is up to date, you'll get them from there
23:13
<vagrantc>
but you'd also reduce the load on the security mirror for any updates that got mirrored
23:13
ah.
23:13
well, i'll push the change for -updates to default to $MIRROR
23:14
and the ordering should probably put the security mirror last ...
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23:17* vagrantc pushed Ubuntu specific changes to LTSP ... wheee
23:21
<stgraber>
:)
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