IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 May 2016   (all times are UTC)

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01:14
<juantelez>
Hi. Is it possible to use the raspberry's camera with LTSP?
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07:13
<kidar>
hi, I would like to setup an edubuntu network and i need help please
07:13
I would like a server that has private share and common share
07:14
i would like all pc (they have hard drives) to logon to server by default
07:14
i have 7 users and the a server, pcs are p4 with 1 gig ram and 80 gig hd, server is c2d with 4gig ram and 500 gig hard drive, i am using 14.04lts also
07:15
any help with the above will be appreciated it is for an ngo
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07:25
<maldridge>
kidar: where are you running into trouble?
07:25
and are you going for edubuntu specifically or just ltsp
07:31
<kidar>
edubuntu and ltsp
07:39
i want the users to have access to there private folder and also to a common folder where common docs can be stored
07:42
Also how can i set the system up so that they have to logon to the server but still have access to the local c drive
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07:47
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
07:47
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
07:47
<alkisg>
kidar: follow that tutorial. Download ubuntu-mate-desktop-i386.iso for the 16.04 version of ubuntu
07:47
Forget about edubuntu, it's dead. But you can still install all the educational software that you want.
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07:54
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-mate
07:54
<ltsp`>
ubuntu-mate: Ubuntu-mate works very well with LTSP, even with older clients. Download the 64-bit version if *all* your clients have >= 2GB RAM, otherwise download the 32-bit version. http://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
08:06
<kidar>
ok and then how do i set the fat clients to logon
08:07
<alkisg>
It's done automatically, you don't need to do anything
08:07
If you follow that page, you'll be able to create users on the server only, and then login from any terminal that you want
08:08
<kidar>
would i be booting up using pxe or installing mate on all pcs also
08:09
<alkisg>
Using pxe
08:09
It's easier to maintain it that way
08:09
You install the programs once, and all the clients get them
08:13
<kidar>
ok and will they be able to use there local hard drives. and can you help with like mapping of the personal share and common share
08:15
<alkisg>
How do you want to use the local hard drives?
08:15
Sure, they're able to, but they're outside of their /home directory, so it's not always best to use them
08:16
<kidar>
in case the want to use it for storage or do you suggest not using them
08:16
<alkisg>
Are they going to work with really big files, like videos etc?
08:17
Do you have 7 users and 7 clients, i.e. one user per client?
08:17
<kidar>
they going to be some videos but not very big, some pictures and then mostly documents.
08:17
yes i do
08:17
<alkisg>
Do you have gigabit networking, at least from the server to the switch?
08:18
<kidar>
no all the nics in the clients are 100mb and the switch is also 100mb
08:19
<alkisg>
Can you buy another switch? Or completely no money on that setup?
08:19
A 8 port switch should be around 20 euros...
08:19
<kidar>
i can get 1gb nic for the server, as i want 1 nic for internal for the clients and the other for accessing the internet
08:19
can get a switch
08:20
<alkisg>
OK then I propose not to use the local disks, it's not worth the overhead of maintaining them
08:20
Without the local disks, the users will be able to sit on any client they want, and login with their credentials
08:20
While using the local disks, they would only be able to work on their own client
08:21
<kidar>
would you suggest then having a 160 gig for the os and then atleast 1tb or two 500 gig for the shares
08:21
would this be possible
08:21
<alkisg>
Of course it's possible, but do your users really need that much data?
08:22
<kidar>
they have lots of pictures already a 500 gig is nearly full.
08:22
<alkisg>
Hmmm
08:22
That would mean that each user has more than 50 GB of data
08:23
Then maybe you should use those local disks after all, if you trust that they won't fail due to old hardware
08:23
<kidar>
no just 1 user. but these pics would be in the common share
08:23
each users docs are about max 9 gig at the moment
08:24
<alkisg>
You can setup a common share with the LOCALAPPS_EXTRA_MOUNTS directive in lts.conf, you'll learn about that later no
08:24
on
08:24
!lts.conf
08:24
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: (#1) http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf, or (#2) lts.conf manpage is available in the ltsp-docs package
08:24
<kidar>
i was thinking that if i install 2 500 gig
08:24
<alkisg>
Is someone going to be working directly on the server? Logging in there etc?
08:25
<kidar>
nope the server would be stand alone no one will work on it
08:27
<alkisg>
OK, well, since you have a lot of data per user and since your users won't be changing seats/clients, then you can use the local hard disks, you might get a bit of better performance that way
08:27
Leave the common share to the server though
08:28
<kidar>
ok i am downloading mate currently. will setup server later today
08:29
might need help in setting up the common share and local share.
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08:30
<kidar>
i liked the idea about them using the server for everything then possiblity of failure on the old hard drives is minimal
08:32
<alkisg>
Your server and clients are the lowest minimums for ltsp fat clients, so if you can get better performance from the local disks, maybe you should
08:32
Do you remember how many GHz the Pentium 4's are?
08:32
1.7? 2.4? 3?
08:33
<kidar>
2.4
08:33
and the server is a c2d
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08:33
<alkisg>
Good enough for fullscreen youtube then
08:33
c2d is too generic
08:33
Do you remember the exact processor model?
08:34
<kidar>
2.3 vpro
08:36
<alkisg>
I can't find a "vpro" processor
08:36
less /proc/cpuinfo ==> tells you the cpu name
08:37
<kidar>
intel it is a hp desltop
08:38
<alkisg>
$ awk -F ': ' '/model name/ { print $2; exit }' /proc/cpuinfo
08:38
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz
08:38
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4440+%40+3.10GHz
08:38
<kidar>
i might be able to get aan i3 machine with 4 gig ram
08:38
<alkisg>
Average CPU Mark: 6409
08:39
Can you tell me your server score, like I did for mine?
08:39
<kidar>
have not installed the software yet it is still downloading
08:39
<alkisg>
The CPU can be seen in the bios as well, or in windows, etc etc
08:39
Anyway
08:40
<kidar>
give me a sec will start it up
08:42
it is e6550 at 2.3ghz, processor speed is 2333/1333mhz
08:42
<alkisg>
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E6550+%40+2.33GHz
08:42
Score: 1504
08:43
That's also the lowest acceptable for a server
08:43
Ideally, your clients would have 1500 score (now they have only 230), and your server would have more than 5000 score...
08:44
<kidar>
what would you recommend for the server
08:45
<alkisg>
Anything with score > 5000, vt-d for virtualization, and aes support for sshfs
08:45
E.g. any recent i5
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08:47
<kidar>
Intel Core i5 3.2GHz Processor
08:47
<alkisg>
Changing the server won't matter much if you'll keep those clients
08:47
<kidar>
i can't change all 7 clients
08:47
that becomes to costly
08:47
<alkisg>
i5 3.2 is not enough. Which generation? The processor model is essential.
08:48
Then keep the server as it is
08:48
<kidar>
you mean the c2d server
08:48
<alkisg>
It will be better to give some money in order to make the best possible setup with the current server, rather than changing the server
08:48
Yes
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08:50
<kidar>
what do u mean give money
08:50
u mean save
08:50
<alkisg>
For support, for someone that knows ltsp well to help you get the most out of your hardware
08:50
I.e. disable flow control, use the local drives, make the user and global share etc
08:51
Those things can make a setup 10 times faster, without having to replace all 7 clients
08:51
<kidar>
i am in durban, south africa, dont know anyone here
08:51
<alkisg>
Remotely
08:51
E.g.
08:51
!vnc-dide
08:51
<ltsp`>
vnc-dide: To share your screen with me, run this: sudo apt-get --yes install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr - this is a reverse connection, it doesn't need port forwarding etc.
08:51
<alkisg>
...here's how I support 1000+ schools here :)
08:51
<kidar>
:)
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08:52
<kidar>
my download is still running. Can we do on friday? or maybe even tomorrow
08:52
<alkisg>
Cool, debconf is in cape town this summer, some ltsp developers might get there :)
08:53
We were even planning on starting ltsp 6 there, the new version of ltsp, let's see if we'll be able to...
08:53
<kidar>
why nothing in durban
08:53
<alkisg>
Haha dunno, maybe cape town has more debian users
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08:54
<kidar>
after this office i planning on setting up something similar at the Gandhi Settlement in Durban for the kids living around the area
08:54
<alkisg>
Nice, yeah ltsp will fit very well there
08:54
<kidar>
the office setup is for the gandhi Development Trust an NGO in Durban
08:57
chat later
08:57
<alkisg>
bb
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17:19
<bennabiy>
alkisg: It seems my lts.conf is not being read in 16.04... did something change?
17:20
alkisg: nevermind, I figured it out
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17:38
<bennabiy>
alkisg: actually, my advanced menu disappeared now that lts.conf in place... probably an update issue
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19:05
<alkisg>
bennabiy: what is an "advanced menu"?
19:05
<bennabiy>
mate-menu
19:05
the fork of mint-menu in ubuntu-mate
19:05
<alkisg>
Still using mint? or mate now?
19:06
<bennabiy>
16.04 ubuntu
19:06
<alkisg>
Do you mean ubuntu-mate 16.04?
19:06
<bennabiy>
yes
19:06
<alkisg>
Nice!
19:06
<bennabiy>
I have one lab switched over
19:06
<alkisg>
Good to see you away from the broken mint distro!
19:07* bennabiy sighs
19:07
<alkisg>
I'm using the redmond menu myself
19:07
<maldridge>
mint has a fantastic visual appeal, but they have much to learn in running a distro
19:07
<bennabiy>
maldridge: agreed
19:07
but they give their whole hearts
19:07
<maldridge>
alkisg: redmond menu? I assume like windows menus?
19:07
<alkisg>
yes, in ubuntu-mate 16.04 as well
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<bennabiy>
maldridge: I use it when the mate-menu is not working
19:08
err alkisg ^
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<alkisg>
bennabiy: did you find any issues so far?
20:14
<bennabiy>
other than the missing menu?
20:15
I have had a few random crashes
20:15
<alkisg>
You still have a missing menu? Even on new users?
20:15
<bennabiy>
yes.
20:15
Just the "Advanced" mate-menu
20:15
<alkisg>
Hrm, that's strange, does it also happen if you login on the server?
20:15
<bennabiy>
not sure... server is headless
20:15
<alkisg>
Ah, the other menus show up fine?
20:15
<bennabiy>
yes
20:16
at least the redmond one does
20:16
could you try enabling the "Advanced" menu in mate-tweak and see if you get the menu?
20:16
I have all updates applied
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<alkisg>
I already had that in this particular laptop, I just updated, I'll tell you after rebooting
20:17
<bennabiy>
ok
20:18
<alkisg>
bennabiy: i'm using the redmond advanced menu, are you talking about that one, or about the ubuntu MATE advanced menu?
20:19
<bennabiy>
alkisg: redmond, should be a larger menu button which shows a semi panel layout
20:19
<alkisg>
And you see the panel, but not the menu button?
20:19
<bennabiy>
my panel is there (no issue with mate-panel)
20:20
and I can manually add things to the panel
20:20
but the advanced menu does not show up
20:20
<alkisg>
I'm getting a python traceback about button2 being referenced before use
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<alkisg>
I think that's what's blocking your menu too...
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<bennabiy>
probably
20:21
is it showing for you at all?
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<alkisg>
When I check the advanced menu, the "start button" is lost
20:22
In all other cases, it's shown
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<bennabiy>
yes
20:25
alkisg: that is what I encounter
20:25
but if you check processes running, the menu is still there, just not able to be accessed
20:26
and ifyou look in dconf
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<alkisg>
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/254014318/mate-menu_5.7.0-1_5.7.1-1.diff.gz
20:34
Yup the issue is the wrong logic about the software center button
20:35
Anyway let's talk about it in #ubuntu-mate, bennabiy
20:35
<bennabiy>
alkisg: agreed. That is where I originally brought it up
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<esfdsf>
hello
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22:57
<talntid>
for ltsp-pnp, the "DNS issues" section... does this have to happen after every boot?
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