LTSP 5 is in minimal maintenance mode
The new LTSP is hosted at https://ltsp.github.io

IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 September 2019   (all times are UTC)

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09:37
<alkisg>
The ltsp.org server had 0% free space and didn't work anymore; I freed up some space and put a banner mentioning the new ltsp and site
09:38
Ugly banner, I didn't want to brain-switch to HTML again :P
09:44
<meo>
no that works just fine
11:37
dnsmasq fails on ubuntu 18.04 because of systemd-resolved occupying the port, should I just disable the latter?
11:39
oh never mind it just does that during package installation
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12:07
<meo>
well then, let's try and boot a ws
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12:26
<meo>
alright, hyperv uefi boot worked
12:27
ipxe hangs on an old lenovo desktop but that's probably because the undi firmware hasnt been updated for 10 years
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12:43
<meo>
welp, a dell booted just fine
12:43
sounds works, youtube works, all great
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13:48
<alkisg>
meo: download boot.ipxe.org/ipxe.pxe OVER undionly.ipxe
13:49
*kpxe
13:54
<meo>
alkisg: I'll try to patch the box first
13:54
I mean it's literally more than a decade old
13:55
and technically isn't my target platform
13:55
<alkisg>
meo, sure, btw explanation in https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/29
13:55
<meo>
i have a physical Dell box booted and working nicely, so now I need to figure out the customisations I'll need in production
13:55
thanks, helpful
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14:15
<tbayen>
Hi Folks! I think I found a bug (and a solution). What is the best way to draw attention of a developer who can check what I think?
14:16
<alkisg>
tbayen: shoot, which one?
14:16
<ogra>
send beer to alkisg ... with a letter ;)
14:16
<alkisg>
:D
14:16
<tbayen>
Ah. Beer is my very specialty.
14:18
After upgrading an some years old system (debian squeezy) to debian buster my browser did not have sound any more. I started chromium as a localapp. It seems that the actual ltsp scripts do not give the sound environment to localapps.
14:19
I now use the debian package ltsp-client 5.18.12-3
14:19
<alkisg>
tbayen: ah, the old ltsp isn't really actively maintained anymore
14:19
try the new one
14:19
!install
14:19
<ltsp>
install: To install LTSP19+: https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/wiki/installation. To install LTSP5: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
14:20
<tbayen>
My solution is to chnange two lines that do the actual call of the app and add $MY_SOUND to both of them.
14:23
<alkisg>
tbayen: so, you could report the issue to the old ltsp5 bug tracker, but noone would really work on it, or you could use the new ltsp :)
14:25
<tbayen>
Hm. ok. That is like a fork, isn't it? And you are not able to announce that on the original site?
14:26
<alkisg>
tbayen: nope, I'm the main developer, this is the new ltsp, the old one will be removed from debian/ubuntu and the new one will be uploaded, and see the big banner in ltsp.org about it
14:26
(also, around 50 messages in the ltsp mailing list about it :))
14:27
It just wasn't ready in time for buster, it will be for bullseye
14:27
<tbayen>
OK. I am working on that for some hours. And I really opened this page lie ten times to look for something. The banner is yellow and red. - I f* did not see it. Hahahaha! Thanks
14:28
<meo>
yeah the ltsp5 vs ltsp 19 really needs to be like in channel /notice or something
14:28
tbayen: the banner's only been up for a couple of hours
14:28
<alkisg>
To be honest, I uploaded the banner 4-5 hours ago :D
14:28
After meo pointed it out
14:29
<tbayen>
At the moment I like to stay with the stable buster system. We are doing business with the system and do not like experiments. But good to know. :-) I like to change to the new one with our next internal upgrade cycle.
14:30
Thanks for doing this work! :-) Especially if you have been also a developer at the old version. LTSP is a great tool and works flawless most of the time.
14:30
<alkisg>
Sure. It's not an experiment though, it's already more stable; but less mature (i.e. more frequent changes)
14:30
Yes, I've been the main developer for a lot of years now, in the old one too; when the other major developers like ogra left the boat for other places :D
14:32
<ogra>
i'm still a passenger (kind of) i never really left the boat !
14:33
(but yeah, i stopped working in the engine room a long time ago :)
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14:41
<tbayen>
Thanks to explain that.
14:41
I read your announcement. It answers some of my first questions.
14:41
Why do you call localapps "deprecated"?
14:42
<alkisg>
Because we only use localapps now
14:42
It's called "fat clients"
14:45
(like live cds do, only with remote home and root)
14:50
<tbayen>
OK. Thanks. Sounds like more expensive client devices. I will think about what that means for our company's setup.
14:51
<alkisg>
Yes, note that ltsp5 has also been recommending that for 10+ years now
14:53
as xorg, opengl etc etc don't really focus on the "remote part" anymore, so it's causing a lot of issues that ltsp can't overcome
14:53
So "fat clients" have the same requirements as "normal clients", except for the disk
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19:10
<meo>
alkisg: I gotta say, your bash code is art
19:10
<alkisg>
meo: thanks! :)
19:11
<meo>
:D
19:11
<alkisg>
I loved the "re" trick, it halts execution and tells you which exact command failed
19:11
Troubleshooting ltsp5 => 1 hour, ltsp19 => 1 minute :)
19:12
<meo>
this should be like a standard framework for complex shell interfaces
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23:45
<dsjii>
Is Jim around?