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Channel log from 17 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
!s
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
There we go
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<ogra>
sbalneav, did you notice the sabayon update in karmic ?
09:00
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
09:01
ogra: No, not yet, did someone use my packages?
09:01
<ogra>
i'd like to know if they included all your fixes, there are a lot upstream changes but not a single mention of your name
09:01
they pulled a fresh upstream
09:01
<sbalneav>
I was going to do that today myself/
09:01
Does it work?
09:01
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sabayon/2.27.0-0ubuntu1
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<sbalneav>
Some of the stuff I did went upstream to Federico
09:02
<ogra>
no idea, i dont even have an ltsp install around :)
09:02
<sbalneav>
ok, I'll check it out today.
09:02
Who's the official package maintainer for that, i.e. who would have done that?
09:02
<ogra>
i was just wondering why federico didnt mention you at all
09:02
there is none, some random motu i guess
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Changed-By: Christophe Sauthier <christophe.sauthier@objectif-libre.com>
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and for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/sabayon/2.25.0-0ubuntu1
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Changed-By: Andreas Moog <amoog@ubuntu.com>
09:05
sbalneav, highvoltage is working on his motu status quite hard, get him to sponsor uploads for you ;)
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I will. I've got one patch in there for determining the free X display. Sabayon upstream tries to do it by contacting 127.0.0.1 on port 6000+ on a socket which fails mightily on Ubuntu due to -nolistentcp
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So I wrote a C python function that does proper XOpenDisplays, which fixed some peoples bugs.
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<ogra>
sweet
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
about saybon, has anybody seen the e-mails coming across the list yet about it?
09:39
in reference to the e-mail about iTalc, I'd assume that there was a definitive documentation resource somewhere?
09:39
connected to ltsp?
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<Blinny>
Ahmuck-Sr: There's an ubuntu-specific wiki here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
is it current?.
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: Yeah, there's a new one out
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
new documentation?
09:50
using that document when i start iTalc, i get an error
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<sbalneav>
No, new Sabayon.
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<sbalneav>
I'm looking at updating my PPA later today.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
ppa for italc or sabayon?
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<alkisg>
New sabayon?
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<_UsUrPeR__>
ok, so I am testing out Koala
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the recent daily build
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X is not starting when I boot my client
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<alkisg>
What graphics card?
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<_UsUrPeR__>
it's throwing out the error: "mktemp: too few X's in the templace `/var/run/ldm-xauth-RANDOM_STRING/Xauthority'
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alkisg: DLW 1520 (Intel)
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<alkisg>
Ah, never mind the card then :)
09:56
I think I saw a mention of this in recent commits...
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: There's a new upstream version. Also, a motu did an update in karmic, but I don't think he's got all the patches I've worked on.
09:57
I'm going to have a look at it today, and get my ppa updated.
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<alkisg>
Hmmm I can try Karmic today - will you be backporting it to jaunty?
09:57
Yey! :)
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<sbalneav>
Well, my ppa's jaunty based, so yes.
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<alkisg>
You can do uploads for any supported ubuntu version
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<_UsUrPeR__>
I'll try a VIA chipset
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see if that goes any better...
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR__: I've seen this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/revision/1170 - I'm not sure if it's related
10:00* _UsUrPeR__ reads
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<_UsUrPeR__>
alkisg: not too sure what's what there
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
iTALC service not running - "There seems to be no iTALC service running on this computer or the authenticaton-keys aren't set up properly. The service is required for running iTALC. Contact your administrator for solving this problem. [OK]
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<_UsUrPeR__>
ahmuck-sr: I'll get the alkisg: X starts fine with a VIA chipset
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ahmuck-sr: I had the same problem with italc for a bit
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<jammcq>
hey kids, how's it going?
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<_UsUrPeR__>
can't quite remember what needed to be run though
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it was a one-time thing
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jammcq: hey
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<jammcq>
hey _UsUrPeR__
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck-Sr: how did you install italc? Only on the server, or to the chroot as well?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
_UsUrPeR__: yes, however the problem is, the docs don't note this
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<_UsUrPeR__>
ahmuch-sr: yeah, the docs for italc are awful.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
alkisg: per the documentation
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<_UsUrPeR__>
ahmuck-sr: what are you running? ubuntu?
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how did you perform the installation of italc?
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck-Sr: the documentation mentions *TWO* ways, did you do both of them???!!!
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
?
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<alkisg>
1. Installation on the server
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2. Installation in the client chroot
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
http://pastebin.be/20374
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that's what the doc's say
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<alkisg>
Installing italc normally is just a simple `sudo apt-get install italc-master`
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Nothing else, and it plays out of the box
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
so i'll change the docs, and dump the
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Start iTalc with
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Applications->System Tools->iTalc
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and put it later in the document
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck-Sr: no, don't change the docs, they're fine...
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
if they were fine, then i wouldn't have gotten the error
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<alkisg>
Maybe you didn't read them all? " There are two methods of installation - Server-side and in the thin-client chroot. Server-side has the advantage of being simpler to setup and uses less RAM on the thin client."
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...
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Anyway, /me gotta go, bbl...
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: ping
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<sbalneav>
stgraber: pong
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: I had someone to look at ldm and we have a fix for it
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<sbalneav>
Ah, ok
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What did I do wrong? I was working on properly shutting down the thread at the end.
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
jammcq!!!!!!!
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<stgraber>
good to see everyone here again :)
10:23
btw, any information about the hackfest yet ? I know we started discussing dates but I'm not sure we actually agreed on that
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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stgraber: that's it
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<stgraber>
oh, very good
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added myself and someone else from Revolution Linux
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<stgraber>
ok, I think I'm ready to tag a new ltsp and ldm, anyone wants to add something before that ?
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<stgraber>
done, released, uploaded and backported
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
mmm, grass fed beef
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
yes, add some salt :)
11:05* ogra grins about stgraber's "Fix session hanging on logout" ... i bet we have the same commit message 50 times in the bzr log :)
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<jammcq>
cliebow: hey
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ogra: hey, don't forget to sign up for BTS
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<ogra>
jammcq, my leave is still being discussed in the management :/
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<cliebow>
jammcq:howdy partner
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<maginot>
hey, maybe someone could give me a hand on what Im trying to do ... lets say I have 2 servers with the same configuration (this include the linux os version and packages) and I want to use one of them for Development and one for Production, and after some sucessuful change to the Dev server I want to sync or load a new snapshot in the Production server to the configurations take place. Whats the best software or documentation to do that, has anyo
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ne done already ? =)
11:18* alkisg looks up... "Fix session hanging on logout" ?? is it christmas already??!!!
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<jammcq>
ogra: I'm sure you'll work it out :)
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cliebow: have you seen the wiki page for BTS-2009 ?
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<ogra>
jammcq, yeah, working on it
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<cliebow>
jammcq:no...
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WebHome
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<ogra>
given that i have to pay myself i'D really appreciate if they could make up their minds
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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<cliebow>
coolio!
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<jammcq>
cliebow: I talked to David Lloyd. he's all set for us to be there
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<cliebow>
great!
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<jammcq>
so we need to get people signed up
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<cliebow>
ill be on it
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<bieb>
I hope to be signed up this week.. :D
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<jammcq>
bieb: cool
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we'll see if we can get the 15-18 people like last time
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Gadi: ping
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<bieb>
there are 2 conferences back to back.. we are trying to decide if I am just doing BTS or both.. because I would leave BTS and fly to Chicago instead of back to Atlanta
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<cliebow>
Yes We need Gadi!
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<bieb>
looking at flights.. I can fly from atlanta to Bangor.. with a stopover in St Louis, or even Detroit.. lol
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<jammcq>
bieb: what... no stopover in San Francisco ?
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<bieb>
I was looking for the one that had a week layover in Munich..
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this one sounds good.. Atlanta>Memphis>Detroit>Bangor...
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<cliebow>
sounds like my Manchester-
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>Detroit->Atlant->San Francisco-->Dallas>Minneaplis->Manchester
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<bieb>
lol
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<cliebow>
for bts-San Francisco
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<jammcq>
cliebow: yeah, your trip out to BTS in San Fran a few years ago was quite a trip
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<cliebow>
heehee!
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should see if Francis will come too!!
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jammcq: i'll see if i can get the boat for Friday afternoon?
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<jammcq>
well... how about thursday afternoon. give some incentive for people to show up early
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I dont' want to intrude too much on work-time
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<cliebow>
ill give it a whirl..
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<cliebow>
the weather is just so chancy..
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<jammcq>
yeah, especially late october
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ok, lunch time
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<stgraber>
ogra: only 50 times ? :)
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<ogra>
heh
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we shuld invent a policy that you have to add a creative subtitle everytime you use that line :)
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<stgraber>
like: "really really really fix that damn session hanging on logout" ?
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<ogra>
yeah :)
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<johnny>
uggh.. why can't the cpanel software work with installed versions instead of copying their own of all perl things :(
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<bismark>
i have problem trying to mount usb flash drive on clients in openSUSE
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im using easy-ltsp
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system doesn't mount usb flash, no logs in kernel when i connect the usb flash
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<vagrantc>
bismark: try #kiwi-ltsp
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<_UsUrPeR_>
does anyone in here know how to mount a kiwi-ltsp image in a chroot?
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like /opt/ltsp/i386?
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<vagrantc>
_UsUrPeR_: figure out the filesystem type using: file /path/to/image
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_UsUrPeR_: and then: mount -o loop -t $FS /path/to/image /mnt
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<_UsUrPeR_>
oh nic
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thanks
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s/nic/nice
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<vagrantc>
that should work, but i don't really know kiwi-ltsp
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_UsUrPeR_: you might even luck out having mount autodetect it ...
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_UsUrPeR_: and then: mount -o loop /path/to/image /mnt
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<klausade>
vagrantc: any idea why /etc/profile isn̈́'t read when I logon a thinclient?
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<vagrantc>
klausade: nope
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<klausade>
ok
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<vagrantc>
klausade: it's read when you log into a normal computers?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: yes.
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vagrantc: it's read when I use, nx,vnc,ssh,su,xdmcp,kdm
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<vagrantc>
klausade: how are you logging into the thin client?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: ldm?
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<vagrantc>
klausade: hm. ldm just uses ssh ...
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<klausade>
vagrantc: i'm trying to accomplish export TEMP=$HOME/tmp
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<vagrantc>
klausade: i'll try it myself and see what i get
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<klausade>
vagrantc: great.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: i can at least confirm the issue
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<ball>
Dude! There's a chupacabra in here! :-o
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<klausade>
vagrantc: using 5.0.8debian3 on etch it works.
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<vagrantc>
klausade: whoah. :)
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klausade: i think that's still the python variant, no?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: yes, we use it to preseed all kinds of stuff.
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vagrantc: yes, python.
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<alkisg>
Maybe it's because `ssh /bin/sh` doesn't include /etc/profile?
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(if it includes a command, that is...)
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<ball>
Anyone happen to know whether ltsp includes support for X video?
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<alkisg>
ball, it's not ltsp specific, it depends on your card driver
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<ball>
(on hardware with appropriate X.org drivers)
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<alkisg>
...sure, xv works.
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<ball>
alkisg: is the same true for AIGLX?
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<alkisg>
I don't know
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<ball>
ok
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, klausade: if ssh was called with "/bin/sh -l" as a parameter, that would make sh function as a login shell, and /etc/profile would be sourced.
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<vagrantc>
should be easy enough to try...
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<alkisg>
Sure, it's in sshutils.c: command = g_strjoin(" ", "ssh", "-Y", "-t", "-M", "-S", ldm.control_socket, port ? port : "", "-o", "NumberOfPasswordPrompts=1", userathost, "echo " SENTINEL "; /bin/sh -", NULL);
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<_UsUrPeR_>
33333333333.3......3.
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.30.....
14:58* vagrantc thought the actual login shell used bash ...
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<alkisg>
I wonder about the `man sh` page though, it says that sh examines arg 0 and if it's "-" it considers it a login shelll
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Isn't arg0 the `/bin/sh` ?
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<ball>
Hmm... I really want to try LTSP, but I'm going to have to go out and find some new hardware.
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: not sure.
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<ball>
back shortly.
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...I think
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: since it's using an ssh socket, i wonder if it's that simple...
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<alkisg>
I don't know... I haven't dug that deep in ssh sockets yet :)
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<vagrantc>
i.e. does it inherrit the originating shell's characteristics, or does each connection through the ssh socket get a wholly independent shell
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<alkisg>
I'm more worried about the screen-scraping stuff, because an interactive shell would include a prompt etc
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: it actually does have a prompt.
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<alkisg>
Hmmm sure? Not the "LTSPROCKS", I mean the "path>" prompt
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<vagrantc>
"path>" prompt ??
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<alkisg>
alkisg@alkis:~/tmp/ltsp-upstream/ldm-trunk$
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That would have to be removed while screen scraping an interactive shell...
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<vagrantc>
my guess is that the call to Xsession is actually not treated as interactive
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as the Xsession script is treated as the login shell
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in a sense
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<alkisg>
Hmmm so maybe /etc/profile should be sourced by the Xsession script, like gdm/xSession does?
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<Lns>
For your idle reading pleasure, just finished this blog: http://blog.logicalnetworking.net/index.php/lnsblogs/why-aren-t-computers-more-like-telephone?blog=5
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Still around?
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vagrantc: Or maybe you can answer a question?
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I'm having trouble with pbuilder.
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wait...
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: always happy to help if i can
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm
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How do I enable universe again in pbuilderrc
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I think that's my problem.
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yeah, because xephyr's in universe...
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Fixed it.
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<vagrantc>
you'd have to just edit the sources.list manually, update it, and so on
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<sbalneav>
Managed not to kill that braincell with beer in SF
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vi /etc/pbuilder/pbuilderrc, add COMPONENTS="main universe"
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sudo pbuilder update --override-config
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<vagrantc>
but that would only affect creation of new pbuilder environments, no?
16:05* sbalneav shrugs
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<vagrantc>
admittedly, i only use pbuilder (cowbuilder) regularly ... i rarely have to tinker with it
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<alkisg>
pbuilder --othermirror ?
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<vagrantc>
one of those, set up once and forget about it sort of thing
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<sbalneav>
yeah.
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well, it's working now. one of my sabayon patches is barfing, but I know how to fix that :)
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<vagrantc>
ah, good.
16:10* Ahmuck-Sr uses sheepbuilder ... for more complacent code
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
Lns: computers are not like telephones because i've got 5 computers which i'll have to modify the network boot configuration just to get them to boot, in addition to hoping that it finds the video
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<Lns>
Ahmuck-Sr: well i was talking specifically about thin clients
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
me too
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ltsp ?
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<Lns>
and hopefully when you order a set of thin clients, you already know that they're compatible :)
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
and using any computer for a thin clients?
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or specific thin clients?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
for computers to be like telephones, as today's telephones, one would need a handheld device that would work as a app/phone, etc. and then could bring into a lab, plug into the network and use/store info on it
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<vagrantc>
Ahmuck-Sr: maybe they're not nearly as simple as telephones, but contrasted with conventional computers, thin clients are *much* closer, usually.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
which honestly is already there in some aspects if today's cell phones could boot from the network and store docs on the phone
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<vagrantc>
and i think it was also comparing against conventional, old-school phones.
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<Lns>
vagrantc: yes, that's what i was writing about :)
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talking specifically about initial setup
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<sbalneav>
For anyone interested, I've just dput'd an updated sabayon-2.27.0-0ubuntu2 in my ppa
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latest upstream version, plus my xlibs patch, and some other fixes.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: thanks!
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<sbalneav>
for jaunty
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should be coming through whenever the compile gets done.
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Anyone wanting to test, I'll be on later tonight.
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<johnny>
sbalneav, so why aren't your fixes upstreamed then?
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<alkisg>
Thanks sbalneav :)
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<sbalneav>
I didn't get enough time to coordinate with Federico before the new version. I've messaged him now, and I'll coordinate.
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OK, home for the day, back on later.
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<alkisg>
stgraber, while updating chroot using your ppa: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ltspfsd_0.5.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack):
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trying to overwrite `/lib/udev/ltspfs_entry', which is also in package ltspfsd-core
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<johnny>
sbalneav, i could have committed them for you
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i just got stumped wit the x stuff in sabayon.. and then got busy with other stuff
16:28
but now perhaps i'll be able to do other things
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
does it work ?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck-Sr, probably
16:33
wait for his ppa
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: yeah, it launches fine for me!!! Good work man! :D
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: Working?
17:28
\o/
17:29
Works here too.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
sbalneav: link to ppa ?
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, just search for his nick on launchpad
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and follow the links to the ppa
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<Lns>
!seen can-o-spam
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<ltspbot>
Lns: can-o-spam was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <CAN-o-SPAM> Gadi: you signing up for LTSP BTS?
18:21
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
18:24
<zamba>
what's the minimum requirements for a client?
18:28
<sbalneav>
zamba: Depends entirely what you want to do with the client.
18:29
If you want sound + video + lots of graphics on the client, you'll need more oomph than someone just running a word processor.
18:29
<zamba>
sbalneav: ok.. so it's not just a screen and a keyboard as some people refer to it as?
18:30
<Ahmuck-Sr>
how is a ppa structured? just like any other ubuntu *.deb
18:30
<zamba>
there's actually some requirements at the client
18:30
<sbalneav>
zamba: Well, you're running a local X server
18:30
So, if you want to push video from the server, you're going to need a more powerful client.
18:31
Why don't you tell us what you want to do, and what hardware you have available?
18:31
<zamba>
like watching videos on youtube..?
18:31
PIII with 128 MB ram
18:31
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: You just add my ppa to your sources.list, and install sabayon.
18:32
zamba: What kind of video. Something like that should be OK for video.
18:32
Sorry, video card, I should say.
18:32
<zamba>
it's an ati rage pro
18:32
3d rage pro, actually :)
18:33
<sbalneav>
Should be fine for watching youtube videos.
18:34
<zamba>
hm
18:34
the reason i ask is because it's not :)
18:34
but i'll look more into that tomorrow
18:34
thanks for your input
18:34
<Ahmuck-Sr>
panel lockdown is the menu?
18:34
sbalneav: i'm interested because i build debs for hugin
18:36
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: Shold be in system -> administration -> user profile editor
18:36
zamba: Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True enabled?
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<zamba>
sbalneav: where should this option be set?
18:38
<sbalneav>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
18:38
<sbalneav>
Have a look in the "LDM" section of the docs there. Short answer: lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
18:39
Either in the [default] stanza, or a per-machine stanza, if you prefer.
18:40
<zamba>
aight
18:41
i have no lts.conf there, actually :)
18:41
<sbalneav>
Yup
18:41
Create one
18:41
<zamba>
and it uses ini style?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
does sabayon allow moving the panels around ?
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<zamba>
sbalneav: how do i verify that this actually is in effect?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
Sabayon will now exit. There were some recoverable errors, and you can help us debug the problem by sending the log in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org
18:46
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: Hm, when did you get that?
18:47
<Ahmuck-Sr>
http://pastebin.be/20383
18:47
btw, sabayon is a big step in the right direction
18:47
sbalneav: upon close
18:47
<sbalneav>
ok
18:47
<Ahmuck-Sr>
so i noticed "openoffice". i assume that sabayon is "pluggable" ?
18:47
<sbalneav>
No.
18:48
I don't think it actually works.
18:48
Hm, I got a crash on removing a panel item.
18:48
<Ahmuck-Sr>
i was editing panel items
18:49
anyhow, so does sabayon allow pluggable application configuration options?
18:49
<sbalneav>
No.
18:49
<Ahmuck-Sr>
how does openoffice play into the scenario?
18:50
<sbalneav>
Like I say, It doesn't work.
18:50
Until OpenOffice gets around to adding some enterprise management features, it's a problem.
18:51
Sabayon's going to allow you to manage gnome desktop + a few firefox settings + lockdown editor.
18:52
Ahmuck-Sr: meh. that error tells me nothing.
18:52
Crumb, either a problem in the panel delegate code, or something in the save, I'll wager.
18:53
<Ahmuck-Sr>
i didn't see firefox setting
18:53
<sbalneav>
ah.
18:54
<Ahmuck-Sr>
i keep getting an error about some IDS server not started
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<sbalneav>
Looks like a problem with a os.remove call
18:54
<Ahmuck-Sr>
sbalneav: set video size to 1024x768 in sabayon
18:54
<sbalneav>
in protosession.reset_shell_and_homedir
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<zamba>
sbalneav: how do i verify that i'm actually using LDM_DIRECTX?
18:56
<sbalneav>
zamba: should be in the docs. Your DISPLAY variable should be 192.168.0.x:0 rather than localhost:x
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<zamba>
ok.. cool.. it says 192.168.4.201:7.0 here
18:57
so that means no encryption is happening?
18:57
<sbalneav>
right
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: OK, working on a patch for the exit hang.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
so what's the open office thingy ?
19:06
how is that coded into sabayon?
19:07
possible to set a proxy in firefox? our ISP allows us to proxy a child safe proxy
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well, set it in firefox on the sabayon side and make it stick
19:11
set sugar or something else as the default browser, desktop, etc.
19:11
this is a large step in the right direction for sure
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<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: ok, I've uploaded a patch. When it gets built, you can try it.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
well, this is major for us here. this will allow us to do some creative things with ltsp
19:18
if i can get sound and firefox flash fixed, i'll be a happy puppy
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<sbalneav>
What doesn't work about sound?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
in ltsp ? the pulseaudio dies on the client
19:22
appears to be related to amd64 proc on server, i386 on client and maybe snd_intel kernel
19:22
happened upon 9.04 upgrade
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<sbalneav>
Does it work if you use i386 on server?
19:25
Any particular reason to be 64 bit on the server, other that to get access to a lot of ram?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
it's all we have
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
were not on a 64 bit os, but a 64bit proc
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<sbalneav>
right, but you can run just regular 32 bit linux on a 64 bit processor
19:31
i.e. if you suspect the sound problem's caused by runnning 64 bit os on server, and 32 bit clients, just run regualar 32 bit linux on the server, and make sure you have a -server kernel installed that has the bigmem support compiled in.
19:31
Flash is a bugger to get going on 64 bit linux anyway.
19:31
That's what we do at legal aid.
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<sbalneav>
GodFather!
19:43
<GodFather>
sbalneav: Hi!!!
19:44
<sbalneav>
Ahmuck-Sr: OK, new packages have built, update your sabayon
19:44
GodFather: I've updated my Jaunty PPA with a 2.27 version of sabayon + some patches I've developed.
19:44
If you've got a jaunty box hanging around, give 'em a go.
19:44
<GodFather>
sbalneav: Did you get my voice mail, I called a phone number thinking it was you.
19:45
<sbalneav>
When did you call?
19:45
<GodFather>
sbalneav: Thursday or Friday, last 4 digits 3695
19:47
sbalneav: I left a message that I tested karmic pre-alpha-4 and sabayon 2.27 worked better than all others tested
19:47
<zamba>
how can i check the boot options of a running kernel?
19:48
<sbalneav>
Yeah, that's the new one, but it's a pure upstream, doesn't have any of my work.
19:49
<GodFather>
Save me whats your URL?
19:49
<sbalneav>
zamba: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default should have the boot options
19:49
<zamba>
sbalneav: yeah, and /proc/cmdline mirrors that..
19:49
<sbalneav>
GodFather: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sbalneav/+archive/ppa
19:49
<zamba>
hm.. having problems with acpi and shutdown
19:49
maybe too old computer..?
19:49
no /proc/acpi/
19:50
<sbalneav>
could be. Might have either a buggy acpi, or a dead one.
19:50
<GodFather>
sbalneav: will your ppa work on Jaunty?
19:50
<sbalneav>
Might try acpi=force on the command line
19:50
GodFather: yep
19:50
<zamba>
sbalneav: does it matter that the server has no /proc/acpi/?
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<zamba>
ah!
19:52
i now remember why i had to turn of acpi
19:53
with it on the pc speaker was making lots and lots of noise
19:53
<sbalneav>
zamba: No, server settings won't affect the client
19:53
<zamba>
but i'm able to turn off the system now
19:53
hm
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<sbalneav>
Well, sabayon crashes seem to have disappeared, and I can put icons on the desktop, but adding icons to the panels doesn't seem to work.
20:06
Must still be a bug hiding somewhere in the paneldelegate code.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
A fatal error has occurred. You can help us fix the problem by sending the log in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org
20:09
won't start
20:11
now it works ... *shrugs*
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<sbalneav>
So you've updated to 0ubuntu3
20:12
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "/root/sabayon-debug-log.conf" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/478
20:12
<sbalneav>
The default debug log's useless. Create that file with the information I pasted.
20:12
<Ahmuck-Sr>
Sabayon will now exit. There were some recoverable errors, and you can help us debug the problem by sending the log in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org
20:13
errors upon closing the user editor
20:13
i've moved the bars around, with the application bar at the bottom
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<sbalneav>
ok, so create the /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf file with the above info
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<sbalneav>
then try it again, and check in /root, and pastebot the latest log
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
so it appears that changes to the panel is not being saved
20:16
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I said that about 15 lines back :)
20:20
<Ahmuck-Sr>
http://pastebin.be/20384
20:20
sbalneav: ur smarter than me remember
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<sbalneav>
Somethings not right.
20:21
That's got NO info.
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
k, am i doing something wrong?
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<sbalneav>
Paste the contents of your /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf file?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
that's it
20:24
http://pastebin.be/20385
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<sbalneav>
That's what's in your /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf file?
20:27
Didn't you paste in the stuff from the pastebot link I sent to the channel?
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i.e. http://pastebot.ltsp.org/478
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
where'd u get that?
20:28
i don't have a /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf file
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<sbalneav>
I asked you to create one.
20:32
"The default debug log's useless. Create that file with the information I pasted."
20:32
<Ahmuck-Sr>
oooooh !
20:32* sbalneav fish-slaps Ahmuck-Sr
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
use trout, i don't like the catfish ones
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<sbalneav>
try it again, paste the log.
20:36
I've also posted the panel problem to the sabayon-list on gnome.org
20:38
<Ahmuck-Sr>
well, clicking on profile, and edit, and now it doesn't open up for editing
20:38
i "sudo gedit /root/sab * .conf
20:38
and saved back
20:40
http://pastebin.be/20386
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<sbalneav>
Hm, so same as me: just doesn't save.
20:43
What happens if you try just adding an icon to the desktop, and don't touch a panel
20:43
does that work?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
http://pastebin.be/20387
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sbalneav: sorry, i've got to leave for the evening
20:50
<sbalneav>
np
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<sbalneav>
Hey GodFather
20:57
<GodFather>
well done Scottie, just tested in Jaunty, I'm running Jaunty on my notebook, then vmware workstation and Jaunty within, have a weird problem unrelated to you, every so often a key stick and repeats until I reboot what a pain
20:58
So this testing took 4 times longer than it should
20:58
<sbalneav>
There's still a problem with panel changes being saved, but we're about 1,000,000,000,000 x closer than we were.
20:58
<GodFather>
Oop! I have to interrupt this conversation need to pour a scotch.
20:59
This panel problem is also in karmic? You think?
21:01
how do I duplicate the problem you know of?
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<GodFather>
sbalneav: Oops just tried to add an icon to the panel and got a python error
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
still, it loads !
21:08
that's a real start
21:09
<GodFather>
sbalneav: So the problem is I added an icon to the panel and it crashes in storage.py at 362, wonder if karmic has this problem?
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
nn
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<sbalneav>
Storage.py?
21:13* sbalneav looks
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<sbalneav>
What's the name of your profile you're editing?
21:16
<GodFather>
That pretty personal you know! It's test_profile
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sbalneav: same crash in karmic storage.py at 362, the test was different for reasons unexplained. in juanty added to panel, in karmic removed from panel
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<sbalneav>
Interesting.
21:22
Hmm
21:22
New favorite video
21:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTdZr2paIw
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<GodFather>
sbalneav: have you seen the movie duplicity?
21:25
a spec if your ego is that big
21:27
I'm still running this instance and the /tmp/sabayon-temp-home-2yEWbT/.gnome2/panel2.d/default/launchers/evolution-mail.desktop does not exist in the /tmp directory? Tomorrow I'm going to print the code and try to read some of it. But /tmp/sabayon-temp-home-2yEWbT does not exist
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<sbalneav>
It gets deleted on cleanup. Start up editing a profile, and just let it sit, and go check out the /tmp directory
21:28
there's be a -temp-home-blahblah there.
21:29
Something in the panel delegate's not working still. It's the most convoluted piece of the whole puzzle.
21:32
<GodFather>
You, I'm sure are many days ahead of me in this stuff I ran sabayon 2>&1 | tee sabayon.tee and noticed that this exception occurred several times, not just once.
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s/tee sabayon.tee/tee.sabayon.log/ and then searched the log file
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<GodFather>
sbalneav: Had enough for the night. Talk to u soon.
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<johnny>
sbalneav, i thought the panel thing was fixed in 2.27? wasn't that mentioned in the changelog?
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