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Channel log from 27 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Guaraldo>
Hi, all
08:08
I have a problem with video card 1106:3344 on my LTSP envolviment... Video card is not autodetected, so It takes vesa driver, witch is not so good...
08:09
When I put XSERVER = via, it gives me an error (via_drv.so could not be loaded)... What can I do?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<sahil>
morning sir
08:22
will any of you happen to be attending linux world?
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<sbalneav>
Not me.
08:24
Linux world's not what it used to be,
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<sahil>
how so?
08:26
i think im also using it as an excuse for a vacation
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Morning
08:40
sbalneav: I have a problem with video card 1106:3344 on my LTSP envolviment... Video card is not autodetected, so It takes vesa driver, witch is not so good...
08:40
sbalneav: When I put XSERVER = via, it gives me an error (via_drv.so could not be loaded)... What can I do?
08:42
<sep>
Guaraldo, and you know that's the driver you need to use ?
08:44
<Guaraldo>
sep Yep...
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Which version of LTSP?
08:44
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: 4.2
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<Guaraldo>
I'll be right back...
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<sbalneav>
The version of X under ltsp4.2 is 6.9, so it could be that's a newer chipset that the older version of X doesn't know about.
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<sbalneav>
The version of X under ltsp4.2 is 6.9, so it could be that's a newer chipset that the older version of X doesn't know about.
08:45
Have you tried it under ltsp5?
08:47
<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: No, Our DHCP server is not the LTSP server and it was not working very well a fell months ago... Hummm... And what can I do about this??? :-(
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<sbalneav>
This just one terminal?
08:49
Guaraldo: If something DOESN'T work for you guys under ltsp5, you'd better tell us so we can fix it. Because no-one's maintaining ltsp4.2 anymore.
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<Guaraldo>
No, All thinClients that have the video card (1106:3344 with lspci -n) have this problem...
08:53
sbalneav: I beleave that Marcelo told you about this problem of DHCP server on LTSP5, didn't he?
08:53
<sbalneav>
Well, that looks like a Unichrome pro.
08:53
No.
08:53
I heard there was some reason why you couldn't use it, but I never heard exactly what it was.
08:53
Here's the problem:
08:55
ltsp4.2 is old. Old X, old other stuff. So, trying to back-port a newer via driver into that is going to be pretty hard, if not impossible. As well, it's wasted effort, because it's expending a lot of man-hours to fix something that's old-news anyway.
08:55
Now, if ltsp5 isn't working for you, a far BETTER solution would be to identify what isn't working, and fix it so that it DOES work for you, so that you can use a newer X.
08:56
Unless you email jammcq, and check and see if he's got some quick fix for you. But I don't know of one.
08:57
We're working on the latest release now, which has HUGE speed improvements, plus a different method of sending out the chroot (via nbd), which improved the speed remarkably.
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<sbalneav>
So, if something isn't working for you, I'd really like to identify what it is, and make sure that we get whatever needs to be fixed, fixed, so that for Gutsy in october, you've got a working solution.
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<sahil>
sbalneav: do you know what the status is for integrating ltsp5 into gentoo?
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<sbalneav>
Not off the top of my head
09:01
dberkholz: ping
09:01
dberkholz is working on that.
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<sahil>
yeah i'm aware, i actually wanted to lend a hand
09:01
something i would really like to see happen
09:04
do you know what a good starting point would be, or should i get in touch with dberkholz?
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<sbalneav>
I'd say coordinate with him, I'm sure he'd be happy for the help
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Still there?
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<Guaraldo>
Yep...
09:16
sbalneav: I'll try LTSP5 in a vmware envolviment...
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: Try gutsy. I know it's development, but that's where we're going to fix stuff, so it's the best place to start.
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<Guaraldo>
Great... I'll do it...
09:30
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq!
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<rjune_>
Gadi!
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!seen gadi
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<ltspbot>
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<dberkholz>
i wish people would just stay on irc, instead of disappear an hour before i show up.
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<iMav>
I'm here. :)
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<sbalneav>
dberkholz: heh
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<jammcq>
hey homies
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<chupacabra>
wazzup holmes
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<savetheWorld>
Hi all - Quick question, i have a Centos 4.4 server. Is k12ltsp 6.0.0 compatible with that as a base? (ie can I install k12ltp 6 on A Centos 4.4 server without problesm?)
12:45
ah - nevermind - Looks like k12ltsp is a omplete distro in its own right. :-)
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<staffencasa>
okay so I'm having some problems with PXE booting and TFTP. Anyone have a second to help me out?
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<staffencasa>
vagrantc, could you help me out with a PXE issue please?
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: probably not right now ... but if you start explaining the problem, people can get to it when they have time
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<staffencasa>
sure, thanks
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<sbalneav>
staffencasa: What's the problem?
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<savetheWorld>
staffencasa: if you describe what you've done and what happedn and any err messages you got somneone may have a hint for you.
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<staffencasa>
I'm booting up a client so I can give the exact error...
13:30
basically, though, I'm running edubuntu 7.04 and I tried ltsp-build-client --kiosk --base /opt/ltsp-kiosk/
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my box takes forever to reboot
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<fgiraldeau>
hi sbalneav
13:35
I reply to your email on the list about multiple host login
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<staffencasa>
I also changed the dhcpd.conf files option root-path line to "/opt/ltsp-kiosk/i386"
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if I do a sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart, I get a message saying "neither subtree_check or no_subtree_check specified for export *:/opt/ltsp-kiosk/
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and when I boot up a client, i get "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
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<vagrantc>
TFTP open timeout is your main problem
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<staffencasa>
I'm assuming it can't locate the necessary files
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<vagrantc>
soemthing amiss with your tftp server
13:47
!tftp
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "tftp" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!troubleshooting
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "troubleshooting" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TroubleShooting
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<vagrantc>
maybe there's a reference on the troubleshooting page for tftp
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<staffencasa>
there's some good stuff in there about it, I'll check it out, thanks again
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<staffencasa>
looks like tftp isn't running on my box
13:56
isn't that setup by default?
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<vagrantc>
should be
13:57
is it installed ?
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dpkg -l '*tftp*'
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and which one is installed
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<staffencasa>
it shows none
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name: tftpd version: none description: none
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I tried dpkg -l "tftp*" and I did get tftpd-hpa
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0.43lubuntu2
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<vagrantc>
that's the one
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<staffencasa>
I'm restarting the server, I think I added that in recently
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no go. I did a sudo apt-get install tftpd-hpa. Is there any extra configuring required?
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<vagrantc>
unless you've changed things, shouldn't be.
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staffencasa: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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<staffencasa>
I get tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /tftpboot
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<sbalneav>
fgiraldeau: Yeah, saw that.
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<vagrantc>
staffencasa: ps aux | egrep inetd
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<staffencasa>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
staffencasa: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"staffencasa" pasted "TFTP Issue" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/243
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"staffencasa" pasted "TFTP Issue" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/244
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<john--_>
I'm thinking about testing out LTSP...it appears the easiest way to do this is on Ubuntu?
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<monteslu>
or k12ltsp
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<vagrantc>
k12ltsp is ltsp 4.x still
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<monteslu>
yeah, yeah... but it's fedora :)
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<Comete>
hi
16:35
i use ltsp with Edubuntu 7.04 but i have a problem with the screen resolution on the clients. The resolution is too high and it seems that the X_MODE_0 = 800x600 is not accepted, any idea ?
16:35
i've tried with other drivers too without success
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<john--_>
I'm interested in LTSP5 since it apparently can work over ssh, which is essential
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if i try to set up ltsp on ubuntu it automatically brings down a dhcp server. is it turned on and running by default?
16:45
i don't want to take out my network here while experimenting
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so I'm afraid to install it
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<sahil>
!seen dberkholz
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<ltspbot>
sahil: dberkholz was last seen in #ltsp 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <dberkholz> i wish people would just stay on irc, instead of disappear an hour before i show up.
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<dberkholz>
hi sahil
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<sahil>
yo
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<dberkholz>
sahil: how are your shell scripting skills?
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<sahil>
we'd talked about me trying to help integrating ltsp5 into gentoo a while back but i got swamped
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not great but i can manage
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and learn, i like that stuff
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<dberkholz>
sahil: you can take a stab at porting the init scripts over from the debian-style ones
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<sahil>
which scripts in particular also where can i grab the debian-style ones?
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<dberkholz>
sahil: the ltsp-mainline repo, in the debian/ dir
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ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init and ltsp-client.init
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<sahil>
in your dev.gentoo?
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<dberkholz>
sahil: no, this is the upstream repository
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<dberkholz>
try https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers/ltsp/mainline
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that's where google sent me
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<sahil>
heh it sent me elsewhere
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<dberkholz>
what did you google for? i just typed ltsp-mainline
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<sahil>
same
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<dberkholz>
result #2. result #1 was a branch for dapper
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<sahil>
ah yes we're on the same page
16:58
aren't most thing being done on gusty?
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<dberkholz>
not being an ubuntu person, i can't really answer that.
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<sahil>
ok well ill take a look at the scripts tonight and get back to you in a couple days probably
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thanks
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<dberkholz>
bbiab, meeting with boss
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<Comete>
no one for my resolution problem ?
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<staffencasa>
Comete, I had video problems with some of my boxes. If I went into the BIOS and upped the memory allocated for the onboard video, it got better
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sometimes they are set to the lowest level by default
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worth a shot I guess
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<sahil>
comete:which box?
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<Comete>
staffencasa: i have got this problem on different machines that worked well with ltsp 4.2
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<staffencasa>
I'm still working on getting my first install working properly, so I'm definitely not the best resource
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<Comete>
ok
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anyway i must got o sleep now :)
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bye
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<staffencasa>
sorry I couldn't help more
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cya
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<Comete>
thanks
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<robbie>
ho all
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hi even
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<iMav>
some retarded head hunter used this and an ice breaker in his email to me. http://www.sysadminday.com/
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<TheProf>
Hello. I hope everyone is well. I have a semi-related question that I hope the gurus here can help me with. I have a newly upgraded k12ltsp V6 server. Just installed FreeNX for remote access as per the mailing list instructions.
20:50
However, this machine is sitting behind a Linux firewall/router that was built by someone before I got involved. That person is no longer around.
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Currently this box will not accept ssh into port 20. How can I get it to accept my freeNX client connection and forward it to the ltsp server?
20:51
Thanks so much.
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<sbalneav>
Port 20?
20:52
ssh is 22.
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That could be your problem?
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TheProf: Hello? Still around?
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<sallygal>
TheProf, port 20 is an ftp port. If you want to move ssh to a different port than 22, I would pick a port that isn't already in your /etc/services file.
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But if that firewall is blocking other ports, you will have to change the firewall or bypass it.
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<TheProf>
sbalneav, I'm sorry I was pulled away by someone asking questions about the lab
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actually they were asking me when would we convert it to windows :)
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reading back my notes - I meant port 22
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but ssh defaults to port 22 so the issue is that the firewall is blocking it
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<TheProf>
sallygal, I guess my question is how to make the linux box allow through port 22 to the ltsp server
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<sbalneav>
What kind of firewall is this?
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Why not just fix it on the firewall.
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TheProf: Do you have access to the firewall?
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<savetheWorld>
Hi all - quickie - does anyone know if LTSP 5 has been integrated with CentOS/RHEL ?
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the web site seems to indicate that it has not been done.
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I'm hoping to find more recent info that says it has been done.. :-)
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<sbalneav>
Nope, not been done yet.
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No one's come forward willing to do the work.
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<savetheWorld>
Thanks Scotty.
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<TheProf>
sbalneav, argh. keep getting pulled away.
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I appreciate your persistence.
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I do have access to the firewall yes
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And yet again I am called away.
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