IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 25 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:04
<sbalneav>
Google the ltsp-discuss mailing lists, it's been posted there about a thousand times :)
00:05
<Drock>
i'm load driver for touch screen etwousb, but device don't work correctly, in xorg.log i see - driver is loaded
00:06
<kaos01>
ah something like 0=
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00:22
<kaos01>
ok i need to get rid of 0=Standard
00:23
in the old gdm you just had to uncomment the line, but i think i might need to owerwrite it somehow in new version
00:23
in custom.conf
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06:07
<daya>
vagrantc, h
06:07
hi
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08:36
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:36
<iMav>
evening!
08:46
<cliebow>
anyone up to par on gutsy ltsp?
08:46
/par/speed/g
08:47
<sbalneav>
cliebow: I'm developing it. Does that count? :)
08:47
<cliebow>
only to 3
08:48
8~)
08:48
<sbalneav>
Whassup?
08:48
<cliebow>
my term stops short asi f it has some ipv6 grievance???
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08:50
<cliebow>
watching the packets..tftp is fine..lots of tcpping..then KERN_DEBUG:KERNEL ETH0 NO IPV6 routers present
08:51
msg on the term is "failed to reset NO_REBOOT flag
08:51
which is prob irrelevant
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08:53
<cliebow>
skinny client control protocol? tcp checksum is borked?
08:55
i cant tell if the squashfs is mounted or what...
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09:09
<sbalneav>
hmm
09:09
What terminal is this?
09:11
cliebow: What kind of box is this?
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09:12
<cliebow__>
Sbalneav:it is a Dell with a 3com pxe
09:13
<sbalneav>
Does the bootsplash come up?
09:13
<cliebow__>
sbalneav, yes
09:13
<sbalneav>
ok, go to the pxe options, and ditch the quiet splash bits, and reboot, lets get a closer look.
09:13
<cliebow__>
just dfid another capture..
09:13
ok
09:16
nothing to put a finger on..i saw kestrel login momentarily so that piece seems intact.ooooh
09:16
/usr/sbin/delayed_mounter not found
09:16
ltsp-client-core
09:17
W: alsa-util.c:device doesnt support 44100..changed to 44099
09:18
<sbalneav>
the delayed mounter bit's ok
09:18
Well, if it's that far, it's got the nbd mount done
09:18
<cliebow__>
sso has the squashfs been mounted at this point??mus be huh?
09:18
heh
09:19
<sbalneav>
yep
09:19
looks like it's dying at x
09:20
<cliebow__>
maybe ill check what card is in there..
09:21
that is way cool it d/l's lts.conf
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09:32
<sbalneav>
cliebow__: Tried vesa?
09:33
<cliebow__>
tried i810 next vesa..did =shell
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09:34
<cliebow__>
usually vesa is crapola with an intel board
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09:35
<sbalneav>
Yeah, but good for eliminating whacky graphics troubles.
09:35
<cliebow__>
ok..trying it
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09:36
<sbalneav>
Another datapoint for the graph :)
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09:38
<cliebow__>
dude!!!
09:38
Here is where the status messages go
09:38
where is the ooga booga?
09:38
cliebow
09:38
whoops
09:39
<sbalneav>
:)
09:39
Wait'll ogra merges my latest stuff
09:39
<cliebow__>
cant wait!
09:39
<sbalneav>
So, works on vesa?
09:40
<cliebow__>
on login i have whirling ball of death so far..yeah works on vesa..
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09:41
<sbalneav>
I'll have a status message for when it can't log in due to ssh keys.
09:41
which should aid debugging immesurably.
09:41
<cliebow__>
still whirling ball of death..
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09:55
<cliebow__>
sbalneav:do i need to toss the old image?
09:55
<sbalneav>
It just overwrites it.
09:56
I think
09:56
actually I've never looked. :) Maybe it's keeping the old images and I've never seen them
09:56
If so, I've got a LOT of them on my development box :)
09:57
<cliebow__>
i see a pile of error messages...but i get the login screen..
09:57
i see a pile of error messages...when building the image
09:58
but get login screen..then whirling ball of death..
09:58
gonna go looking around..
09:59
<sbalneav>
What error messages when building?
09:59
Paste 'em to the pastebot
10:00
<cliebow__>
k
10:01
balls..gotta switch networks
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10:04
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "cliebow@kestrel:/var/lib/tftpb" (65 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/237
10:07
<sbalneav>
You don't have /proc mounted in the chroot when you're doing the update-image, do you?
10:07
<cliebow__>
not intentionally
10:08
<sbalneav>
Better check that.
10:08
<cliebow>
k
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10:12
<cliebow__>
seems building fine scond time around..
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10:25
<sbalneav>
If /proc's mounted, when it tries to compress /proc/mem, bad things happen :)
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10:34
<cliebow__>
brb
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11:10
<daya>
vagrantc, hi
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11:11
<daya>
vagrantc, I again followed the step in the wiki in debian etch (gnome), again the ldm screen in not presented
11:12
vagrantc, I can't login in client even in cosole , although I set the password in chrooted env.
11:12
vagrantc, any Idea about it,
11:14
<sbalneav>
daya: Did you do an ltsp-update-image after you updated the password?
11:16
<daya>
sbalneav, ltsp-update-image?, In previous I din't have to do it, is it a new command,
11:16
<cliebow>
daya:since a month or so..
11:16
the chroot is created as an img and mount with nbd
11:17
<sbalneav>
Yep, new command.
11:17
<daya>
I have not this command in the system,
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11:18
<sbalneav>
Are you running sid? or etch?
11:19
<daya>
I followed the step in http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto , the lower one, in etch
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11:22
<daya>
everythings is right ,but I am not presented the login screen , instead dropped me to the console
11:23
<cliebow>
initramfs?
11:23
<daya>
But when I followed the upper method, all things work expect sound,
11:23
cliebow, no login prompt,
11:24
<cliebow>
any messages to tell how far you get?
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11:27
<daya>
cliebow,Detected Xorg .. and Screen resolution are presented etc, the things is that every things went normal, excpet it can't start X i.e ldm,
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11:27
<daya>
and prompted for username and password in Black screen.
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11:29
<staffencasa>
I have a question that may be really easy. Does anyone know why I would get this error when booting PXE "/bin/sh: can't access tty:job control turned off (initramfs)"
11:30
<sbalneav>
You're not mounting the root directory.
11:31
<staffencasa>
how do I fix that?
11:33
<cliebow__>
can you watch logs on your server see if perhaps your ethernet card is not being recognized?
11:34
see that you have second dhcp response
11:35
sbalneav: still get whirling ball..any logs that will show me what's up?
11:35
<staffencasa>
Well I have Dell Optiplex GX260's and GX150's and when I try to install Ubuntu 7.04 or Edubuntu 7.04 on them, they give me this error
11:36* cliebow__ cliebow wits for the guru to speak 8~)
11:36
<sbalneav>
staffencasa: Can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, file, and the output of ifconfig -a to the pastebot?
11:36
!pastebot
11:36
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:36
<sbalneav>
cliebow__: take a look on the client itself, in /var/log/ldm.log
11:36
see what's in there.
11:37
<cliebow__>
try to ssh in? or shell
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11:37
<staffencasa>
will do, just a sec
11:38
<sbalneav>
cliebow__ shell on tty1
11:39
<cliebow__>
k
11:39
<ltsppbot>
"staffencasa" pasted "PXE Boot" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/238
11:40
<staffencasa>
that's all default, I've not changed anything
11:40
<sbalneav>
k
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11:43
<ltsppbot>
"staffencasa" pasted "PXE Boot ifconfig" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/239
11:43
<staffencasa>
there's my ifconfig
11:44
<cliebow__>
cd /var/log
11:44
ls
11:44
heh
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11:45
<dmorar>
hi, im trying to install this new terminal, and i had an problem with the nic
11:45
im using pxe, and a broadcom 440x 10/100 C card
11:45
<sbalneav>
staffencasa: Hmm, that looks reasonable.
11:45
<dmorar>
i made a custom pxe config file with the ip made an hex
11:46
<sbalneav>
staffencasa: You might try a sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
11:46
<dmorar>
and now i get something like: kernel panic - not syncing, dhcpcd failed
11:47
<cliebow__>
sbalneav:i have a login prompt..but i know no user..
11:47
on tty1
11:47
<sbalneav>
cliebow__: did you set root's password?
11:47
in the chroot?
11:47
<cliebow__>
negative..
11:48
<sbalneav>
Your path is clear, my child.
11:48
<cliebow__>
will do..then update image again..
11:48
<sbalneav>
yep
11:48
<staffencasa>
sbalneav, trying...
11:48
<cliebow__>
should i have known that??
11:50
<staffencasa>
sbalneav, that worked, it's not pretty, but it worked. Thanks for your help
11:50
<sbalneav>
heh, prolly not, but it's like the first thing I do these days,
11:51
Seeing as how I'm developing. So I forget not EVERYONE has root login enabled on the client.
11:51
one of these days I GOTTA sit down and write up a "debugging ltsp5 howto" section.
11:51
I NEED MORE ^(@&^ HOURS IN A DAY!!!
11:51
:)
11:52
<dberkholz>
don't we all?
11:52
<sbalneav>
heh
11:52
Man, where do we file a bug on that?
11:52
<cliebow__>
sbalneav:i can ask stupido questions and you just have towrite down your answers
11:52
<dberkholz>
god.gov ?
11:52
<cliebow__>
heh..
11:52
not god.us??
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11:53
<sbalneav>
Listen, we all know the real address is god.ca, seeing as how Santa's also in Canada.
11:53
<dberkholz>
he's in greenland, which is really denmark
11:54
<sbalneav>
Nope. Canada, and I can prove it.
11:54
<dberkholz>
otherwise the inuit would've run into him by now
11:54
<sbalneav>
If you send a letter to Santa Clause C/O north pole, CANADA H0H 0H0, you'll get an answe.
11:55
lunch!!!
11:55
be back in an hour.
11:55
<cliebow__>
Canada has it all....soccer on tv doctor who..and Santa
11:58
<dmorar>
hello, can you help me?
11:59
<cliebow__>
dmorar:prob not,,but i'll listen..
12:01
<dmorar>
lol
12:01
hie cliebow_ , long time no see
12:01
im trying to install this new terminal, and i had an problem with the nic, im using pxe, and a broadcom 440x 10/100 C card, i made a custom pxe config file with the ip made an hex, and now i get something like: kernel panic - not syncing, dhcpcd failed
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12:02
<jammcq>
hey kids
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<cliebow__>
jammcq:!!!
12:09
you up to speed on using ldm?
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<jammcq>
cliebow__: nope, I've not played with ldm yet
12:19
brb
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<kuitang>
How can I preserve a user's session across a client shutdown/crash/reboot?
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12:35
<sbalneav>
kuitang: We don't have a way at the moment
12:35
Back from lunch
12:35
hey jammcq
12:36
cliebow__: You get any farther?
12:36
What's the ip address of the server?
12:36
<kuitang>
sbalneav: So if the client machine powers off, unless they've been saving regularly, they're screwed, right?
12:37
<sbalneav>
Yup
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<sbalneav>
Some people manage to hack vnc/FreeNX into ltsp, to get session persistence, but it's not included in base ltsp.
12:37
<cliebow__>
usage ldm vt[1-N] <:0-N>
12:38
<sbalneav>
ldm vt7 :6
12:38
What's the ip address of the server?
12:39
<cliebow__>
LDM2 starting
12:39
LDM2 running on 192168.0.250
12:39
<sbalneav>
If it's not 192.168.0.254, you may need to add a SERVER = xxxx line to your lts.conf file
12:39
<cliebow__>
i think i have done..lemme look
12:39
<sbalneav>
I've noticed it doesn't seem to pick it up automatically like it used to.
12:40
must be a regression somewhere.
12:40
<cliebow__>
ohhh..a stray i
12:44
ahhhh..now getting somewhere
12:46
any reason i couldnt chroot and install openssh-server and update-image? for the hell of it?
12:47
/usr/sbin/ldm vt7 :6
12:47
Balls
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<dan__t>
'afternoon, all.
12:48
So under one username, beagled keeps respawning
12:48
It's up to like 15 instances right now
12:48
and the client machine is turned off
12:48
<Blinny>
I'd call that a big yuck.
12:49
<dan__t>
Yep.
12:49
killall -u ${USERNAME} works, but it just re-spawns
12:51
<sbalneav>
dan__t: might want to clear out any files owned by the user in /tmp, and possibly wherever beagle keeps it's settings.
12:51
Beagle's part of gnome, so you might get better answers in #gnome, or such.
12:52
<dan__t>
Okie dokie
12:54
<cliebow__>
lweird:i got ldm to produce a login screen once..but now i see "no server specified" at the end of log even with SERVER = 192.168.0.254 in lts.conf
12:55
<sbalneav>
Well, if you're running it from the command line, you're going to have to manually set up some variables
12:56
because you're missing out the bit that does a getltscfg -a
12:56
and then .'s the results
12:56
<cliebow__>
hmmm
12:56
<sbalneav>
easist will be to export SERVER=blah and then run ldm
12:56
<cliebow__>
k
12:57
getltscfg -a spits out variables ok
12:58
<sbalneav>
right, but the start_session script sets those up before calling ldm, etc.
12:58
<cliebow__>
ooh ooh oooh
12:58
<sbalneav>
you're executing it directly on the command line
12:58
so those env variables aren't there.
12:59
<cliebow__>
COOLIO..i got a login screen a successful login and even sound..albeit from the server
12:59
and i think i know half my problem now
13:01
'boy oh boy..it is close..
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<cliebow__>
sbalneav: a hash will still comment a line in lts.conf?dont answer if correct..
13:02
<sbalneav>
Yes, that is correct.
13:02
HAHAHA So now you don't know wether it's correct or not!!!
13:03
<cliebow__>
Well it works anyway 8~)
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<cliebow__>
stupido me..i was already logged in on server as me..that could screw up even a White House wedding
13:06
<sbalneav>
There's a joke there about the white house and screwing things up that I'm not going to touch with a ten foot pole :)
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13:08
<cliebow__>
an environment variable redirects sound as well?
13:08
<sbalneav>
Well, there's the SOUND=Y on the client.
13:08
and on the server there's the remote sound variables.
13:08
<cliebow__>
by default?
13:09
<sbalneav>
I think by default it's N
13:09
<cliebow__>
so ill add to lts.conf
13:09
<sbalneav>
sure.
13:10
<cliebow__>
yes..says default valur is unset
13:10
Cool! now i can add user oogabooga
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<sbalneav>
:)
13:11
If you want local devices to work, make sure you add oogabooga to the fuse group
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<cliebow__>
k
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<sbalneav>
Off to a meeting. Be back in an hour or so
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<cliebow__>
bye..
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<dan__t>
cliebow_, long time no see buddy
13:46
How are you
13:49
<cliebow__>
dan__t, confused as ever 8~)
13:49
<dan__t>
On?
13:49
<cliebow__>
need a liberal dose of Scottie to get me through..
13:49
<dan__t>
heh
13:50
<cliebow__>
there is always the "meaning of life" confusion as well..
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<klausade>
anyone using LDM_SERVER in their lts.conf ?
16:51
<Gadi>
sure, whats up?
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<klausade>
Gadi: well, I probably "forgott" something related to ssh. I get ldm up, but after entering username/password it just throws me back to ldm.
16:56
<Gadi>
yeah, if you are going to use LDM_SERVER, you need to either:
16:56
<klausade>
log at http://paste.debian.net/33415
16:56
<Gadi>
a. add the ssh keys for that server into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
16:57
b. set "StrictHostKeyChecking no" in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_config
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<klausade>
Gadi: yes! I only had half of a) done :-)
16:58
<Gadi>
(there are obvious security ramifications to the latter)
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<rjune__>
Gadi: !
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you're here late
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<jamie_>
Any one help am running a cybacafe and a few of the kids keep knocking the computers off instead of logging out. This causes gnome to not load the desktop properly it just has a black back round with witch you can nothing with. I thought ssh might be keeping the session open so I changed sshd_config to ClientAliveCountMax 2 and ClientAliveCountMax 2 and it still happens. The only way to fix it is to run killalll -u user. Any one know whats going on pleas
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e
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
hi! how to i enable automatic login of each termial ? each terminal is related to a specific user so the solution should be based on mac addeess of the clients
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is there any way to ahive this?
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achive this?
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<pablo-uy-mvd>
someone told me to use pam modules......but how do i bind gdm conf to pam modules? id like each terminal to autologin in gdm. Each terminal must be bind to a specific user that has specific locked down gnome desktop. The ltsp server is used by kiosks and each terminal/kiosk must use diferent users
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i guess mac address must be used in this sort of automatic login system
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<vagrantc>
!seen jammcq
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 9 hours, 29 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <jammcq> brb
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<vagrantc>
yeah, right.
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<rjune>
LOL
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<str4nd_>
yeah, "brb" :)
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<sbalneav>
Sigh, glibify'ing ldm's gonna be a bit of work.
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I wish I could find a nice, clear, concise treatise on i18n for dummies,
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