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Channel log from 18 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: status
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
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<noob1>
hi
04:54
i am still trying to figure out how to bridge 2 NIC...
04:56
<Appiah>
?
04:56
and the docs for that dist says what?
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<noob1>
?
04:57
i have 2nics and most docs show an example of ONE NIC, i am not familiar with networking so i am kinda lost
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<Appiah>
I see
04:59
<noob1>
am i trying to set up 1 bridge? or 2 bridge?
04:59
<Appiah>
are you asking me? :)
04:59
<noob1>
yeah...
04:59
<Appiah>
no idea
04:59
<noob1>
doh
04:59
<Appiah>
Dont even know why are making a bridge
04:59
or what your network topology looks like
04:59
<noob1>
oh
04:59
<Appiah>
and I dont think I will be able to help you with it either
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<noob1>
i have a windows guest OS
05:20
<cyberorg>
noob1, this may help figure it out http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Configuration/Network
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<Alocado>
hi
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<noob1>
thanks
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<Alocado>
where does a ltsp client start its x instance?
05:22
<noob1>
but will be more appreciated if i know if i am trying to set up 1 bridge or 2 bridge for NIC, as i am still not familiar what a bridge is
05:22
with my virtual guest OS
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<Appiah>
Alocado: what do you mean?
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<Alocado>
which script uses the X_MODE_0 var from lts.conf?
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<Appiah>
O_o
06:19
is it not working or..?
06:20
<Alocado>
i'm trying to start xserver directly on the client for n own kiosk mode (the ltsp-build-client --kiosk doesn't work)
06:20
but it always starts X with 800x600
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<Appiah>
put your lts.conf on pastebin
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and show it
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<Alocado>
http://nopaste.info/8e3e1342ec.html
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<Appiah>
dont see CONFIGURE_X = True
06:24
think you need that or else X settings gets ignored
06:26
<Alocado>
ah, ok, i'll try that
06:29
no difference..
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<Appiah>
where did you put it?
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<Alocado>
default section
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<Appiah>
try setting the X_MODE directly under the mac address
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section
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then check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the client
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<nobios>
having trouble with ltsp5, I'm using the same machine that works with 4 but after the kernel image download and before the kernel message appears it stops responding. It only has 256 mb of ram.
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<noob2>
how do i know if the bridge i set up is working?
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<nobios>
trying to access the other side?
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<mgariepy>
good morning everybody
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<nobios>
morning
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<noob2>
i am trying to bridge my virtual machine... it does not connect, but i already modified the interface file... and i can boot up my clients, so trying to find out where the point of failure is
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<alkisg>
noob2: if that's a KVM problem, why don't you try in #kvm or in #ubuntu-server or somewhere more appropriate?
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<noob2>
hmm
08:17
i am not sure if it is a kvm problem or not yet
08:18
so, if i can test and know it's not a ltsp problem
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<alkisg>
noob2: well, just try to ping the server on its IP addresses
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If it answers, then it's OK. If it doesn't, your bridges weren't setup correctly.
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<noob2>
so i can ping the ltsp ping server from the xterm?
08:28
do i ping the eth of the server? or the bridge of ther server?
08:28
<alkisg>
Sure, either from the xterm or from another PC, you don't *have* to try it from an ltsp client...
08:28
What do you get with `ifconfig -a` on the server?
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<noob2>
from a client terminal
08:29
<alkisg>
From a client gnome-terminal
08:29
<noob2>
i get a br1, a eth0 a eth1 lo and virbr0
08:29
oh an a vnet
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<alkisg>
Yeah, upload the output to pastebot
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<noob2>
ok
08:32
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m192a2ccf
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<alkisg>
What's the windows server IP? (with ipconfig inside it)
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<noob2>
192.168.122.133
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<alkisg>
And the second windows server IP?
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(the second IP, not the second server...)
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<noob2>
hmm
08:35
let me paste it
08:35
hold on
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<noob1>
hmm cant paste
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<noob1>
but i have a Local area 3 169.254.93.29
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tunnel adapter isatap disconnected
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local area connection 11 disconected
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another isatap disconnected
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<Appiah>
...
08:40
so this is a virtualmachine right?
08:40
<noob2>
yes
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<Appiah>
does this virtual machine application not have virutal switches?
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<noob2>
i am not really sure what's happening... i am completely clueless
08:40
what's a virtual switch
08:41
thank god i dont do this for a living...
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<Appiah>
well you should look up on howto network in that virtualmachine
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application*
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<alkisg>
noob2: if you can't manage kvm, why don't you use e.g. virtualbox? It would make things much easier for you.
08:41
<Appiah>
Vmware? KVM? qemu? Virtualbox
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<noob2>
i am using kvm
08:42
with virt-manager
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well, as of right now, i am not sure what to test to pin the point of failure
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<alkisg>
noob2: with virtualbox, you just select the interface on which the virtual nic will be bridged, and you're done.
08:42
<noob2>
ie, i am not sure if it's my ubuntu setting that's messed up or if it's my vm that's messed up
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<Appiah>
well its hard to tell when you dont 1) know your virtualization software 2) dont now your dist
08:43
makes it kind of hard for us to help you
08:43
<alkisg>
In any case, your problem is definately not LTSP :) (I'm just mentioning this so that you try to ask for help in appropriate places...)
08:43
<noob2>
i am using KVM/virt-manager on ubuntu 9.10
08:44
<Appiah>
well what I mean with "know" is that you dont seam experinced in either (no offence)
08:44
<noob2>
no offence taken
08:44
but i have to start somewhere
08:44
<Appiah>
but like alkisg said you should verify how make a bridge with your software (KVM)
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then follow that troubleshoot to verify that its actully working
08:45
then move onto LTSP
08:45
<noob2>
i am at the troubleshoot part
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<Appiah>
btw why are you making this bridge?
08:45
<noob2>
i must say, the guides on bridging on ltsp is not fool proof =)
08:45
<Appiah>
there's a guide for that? link please
08:46
<noob2>
hmm...
08:46
let me see, i might be mistaken =)
08:46
my bad... ubuntu's guide..
08:47
getting no answer from virt channel...
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<Appiah>
so what are you trying to bridge? two virtual machines?
08:48
<noob2>
but since you're using virtualbox, i actually tested it... but it's very unresoponsive after i need to do a ctrl+alt+del and go to the login of my guess... which is why i gave up on it
08:49
i was tell alisg yesterday that i am trying to have my clients automatically rdesktop on boot to my OS
08:50
btw, i am doing this as a hobby, so do not worry, i am not scamming some employer on it
08:50
<Appiah>
:D
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<alkisg>
I could help on vbox (it works fine for me), but I've no idea about kvm.
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<noob2>
hmm... i guess it would not hurt if i migrated to vbox...
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<Appiah>
so you have LTSP installed where? and where is this client that should auto rdesktop to somewhere?
08:51
<noob2>
installed at home
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client on my dad's pc
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he always manages to break windows
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then i have to spend one day and one night backingup stuff, reformat ...etc
08:52
<Appiah>
so you want a LTSP server at home
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<noob2>
figure this way will be easier once i have a small little network at home
08:52
<Appiah>
and have him run a terminal client?
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<noob2>
yep
08:52
<Appiah>
where does the rdesktop come in?
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<noob2>
he only knows windows...
08:53
he wants msn..
08:53
and in asia, a lot of online sites are explorer dependant
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<Appiah>
so you got windows running in virtualmachine ...
08:54
and want him to pxeboot of the server , rdp to the virtualmachine?
08:54
<noob2>
yep
08:54
windows is working now as the guess
08:55
<Appiah>
I see
08:55
intressting setup
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<noob2>
well... u dun even know...
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<Appiah>
shouldnt be that hard , I could configure that in Virtualbox ... no idea on howto on KVM thought =/
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<noob2>
it's like after a long day of work,
08:56
i go home, and my dad goes... my windows is broken.....
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<Appiah>
but I'd be running the Virtualbox Guest in NAT mode and then portforward to the server, having it run headless
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<Syntony>
hello
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<noob2>
hmm...
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<Syntony>
i have a simple question
08:57
<noob2>
is virtbox that much better than kvm?
08:57
<Appiah>
noob2: well... from my experince yes :D I have not used much KVM so its not a fair opinion
08:57
<noob2>
hmm...
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<Appiah>
KVM is good for servers I'd guess... Virtualbox is more common in Desktop use
08:57
<Syntony>
can someone tell, if the newest LTSP-Version is crypted?
08:57
<Appiah>
" crypted" ?
08:58
<Syntony>
yeah
08:58
<Appiah>
what is that?
08:58
<Syntony>
SSL or TSL?
08:58
<Appiah>
encrypted..
08:58
LTSP uses SSH
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<noob2>
well... i majored comp sci about 10 years ago.... so i have this mentalitly to get it done be4 i move on...
08:59
<Syntony>
oh sorry i mean encrypted :D
08:59
hehe
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<Appiah>
:)
08:59
<Syntony>
sorry my english is not so good
08:59
<Appiah>
np :)
08:59
Well LTSP uses SSH so I hope that answers your question
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<Syntony>
hmm...but...u say ltsp use ssh...
09:00
also,...every thin client do a ssh-session to the ltsp-server?
09:01
<Appiah>
"the client first builds an SSH tunnel to the LTSP server's X environment, through which it will start the LDM login manager (on the LTSP server). From this point forward, all programs are started on the LTSP server, but displayed and operated from the client."
09:01
from wikipedia
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<noob2>
so are you guys running this as a hobby or are you guys like do this for a living?
09:01
<Appiah>
hobby and work
09:01
<Syntony>
alright...thank u :)
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<Appiah>
I hope to do more LTSP setups (along with other opensource applications/solutions)
09:02
mostly do M$ stuff around this company O_o
09:04
<noob2>
oh
09:04
well... if i do really like this hobby, i will do a startup
09:04
lol, but as of right now, i am a looOOoOOoOong way from it..
09:05
by the time i pick this up... google will probably beat me to this idea
09:05
<Appiah>
:)
09:06
If I were to do something like that I woulndt use LTSP honestly
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<noob2>
oh well...
09:07
does not matter as of yet,
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<Appiah>
I would put in a PE on the PC's disk and have it RDP to the virtualmachine on startup
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<noob2>
main thing is to get something up, without worrying about a lawsuit
09:07
<Appiah>
a ltsp setup just for getting 1 client to boot feels liketo much
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<noob2>
why go that way?
09:08
well like i said... a hobby w/ a long term dream
09:08
anyways, this guide is telling me to disable dhcdbd...
09:08
would it affect my clients
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<Appiah>
"dhcdbd provides a dbus interface to dhclient allowing applications such as Networkmanager to query the state of and control interfaces."
09:09
it will affect the OS that your disabling
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<noob2>
wow, you are like a walking dictionary
09:10
<Appiah>
I'm fast with my browser!
09:10
I had to look it up myself since I had no idea of dhcdbd
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<noob2>
lol
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<Appiah>
just dbus stuff for dhclient (dhcp client)
09:11
well now I got a bunch of stuff to do \o
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<noob1>
u guys in the US?
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<jammcq>
helloooooo
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<caroline_>
hi
12:21
I have a question that I'm hoping someone might be able to help me with.
12:22
I am working with a school that has diskless ltsp.org workstations.
12:22
We'd like to enable to hardware to boot locally from a USB with a bootable Linux (in this case Sugar).
12:22
Is it theoretically possible to boot one of these diskless workstations from an USB?
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<alkisg1>
Just wondering, what are the client specs? (ram, mostly?)
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<caroline_>
I have no idea
12:26
They were purchased long before I was n the scene.
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<alkisg1>
Which model are they?
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<Gadi>
caroline_: look in the BIOS
12:27
<caroline_>
Product name TK_3350
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<Gadi>
caroline_: almost definitely yes
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<caroline_>
ah very cool :)
12:27
<Gadi>
you may only need to adjust the BIOS setting
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<caroline_>
what does the product name tell you?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<caroline_>
actually it started the boto from USB then failed which made me hopeful. With this input I will continue to try to debug.
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<Gadi>
caroline_: it tells me it is probably one of DLW's more recent thin clients - all of which have USB boot capability in the BIOS
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<alkisg1>
Some specs I found on the net say SDRAM = 64 MB. If that's the deal, you won't be able to do much with them, other than LTSP clients...
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<caroline_>
I just didn't want to do it if it the hardware was such that it was known inpossible.
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<alkisg1>
Do you see some letters after TK-3550? E.g. CE/LX/XP ?
12:29
Hi sbalneav
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<Gadi>
caroline_: define "fail"
12:30
<caroline_>
So Sugar only got to the first Fedora boot screen, I'm thinking I should try unbuntu next and see if that works better?
12:30
Sugar Fedora
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<Gadi>
the most common failure, if it does begin to boot is video driver autodetection
12:31
yeah, try a different distro
12:31
they may detect different drivers
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or give you an option to choose appropriate ones
12:31
when in doubt, choose "vesa" and see if it goes all the way through
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<alkisg1>
Gadi, will it boot with just 64 MB RAM?
12:32
<Gadi>
alkisg1: I dont think DLW has sold anything with 64MB RAM
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<alkisg1>
OK
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<Gadi>
but, the boot screen should show her that much
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:)
12:33
_UsUrPeR_: jump in at any time
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:)
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<caroline_>
plugging it into a monitor and keyboard now and I'll try to get to the BIOS
12:38
Base Memory 640 K
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Extnded Memory 121856K
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<caroline_>
So 122MB? that does seem pretty low.
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<Gadi>
well, 128MB chip
12:41
but, yeah - sounds right
12:42
you may want to beef that up for better performance
12:42
thin clients dont need much memory - but PCs do
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<caroline_>
do you think there is a slot to add memory?
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<Gadi>
you are probably a screwdriver away from finding out
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:)
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<caroline_>
:)
12:46
searching for screwdriver now
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<mgariepy>
dmidecode would probably tell you is there is an empty slot too ;)
12:52
<caroline_>
looks to me like there is only one slot
12:52
where do I find the dmidecode
12:55
<Gadi>
caroline_: should you have succeded in booting your liveUSB, you would then be able to find dmidecode on it
12:55
<caroline_>
ah, chicken and egg :)
12:55
<Gadi>
caroline_: so, in your case, no it would not work - you need the screwdriver
12:55
:)
12:55
<caroline_>
I have it open
12:55
<Gadi>
you can probably replace the 128MB chip with a 512MB chip
12:55
<alkisg>
You could also boot it as an LTSP client, and run dmidecode locally...
12:55
<Gadi>
and be good to go
12:55
<caroline_>
yeah
12:56
<mgariepy>
dmidecode when the system is booted with ltsp is woring fine ;) hehe
12:56
<Gadi>
you all make the assumption that she still has LTSP
12:56
:)
12:56
seems she is repurposing these clients
12:57
<alkisg>
And you made the assumption that she had a screwdriver :P :D
12:57
<mgariepy>
haha
12:57
<Gadi>
well - a rock would do the same job
12:57
:)
12:57
<alkisg>
muwahaha
12:57
:D
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<caroline_>
right I am not where the server is nor was the server working when I was there.
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<mgariepy>
for the opening. not so much when she would need to close it up..
12:58
<caroline_>
I'm doing great actually.
12:58
How do I figure out what sort of 512 RAM to buy?
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<johnny>
lshw ..
12:59
i installed lshw in the chroot and ran that and got an html report
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<alkisg>
caroline_: why don't you write DSL or something like that in a usb stick?
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<johnny>
sent that to freegeek
12:59
waiting for some ram :)
12:59
<caroline_>
It says 128 MB PC-133 is PC-133 the code I need?
12:59
the DSL USB is a good idea
12:59
<johnny>
yes..
13:00
pc-133 isn't easy to buy these days.. probalby need to use ebay
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<caroline_>
http://www.amazon.com/CenDyne-512MB-64x64-PC-133-168-Pin/dp/B002MXRKUG
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<caroline_>
$16 bucks not bad :)
13:01
$40 at Microcenter but I could get it today...
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http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0264176
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<caroline_>
does that look right?
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<Gadi>
do you know what kind of ram it uses?
13:01
I doubt it is PC133
13:02
most likely DDR or DDR2
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I would pull out the chip that's on there (unplugging the power cable first!) and search the model number on the RAM chip
13:02
that will tell you the type of RAM
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<caroline_>
it says PC-133 and it the notches look the same.
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<Gadi>
huh
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ok
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I sit corrected
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:)
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<caroline_>
why are you suprised? because its an old type?
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(and yeah I did unplug it before I took a screwdriver to it! ;)
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<Gadi>
yeah - I thought the board was a newer one
13:04
shouldnt impact you a great deal
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<caroline_>
I guess this means these boxes are fairly old.
13:08
which i think is true.
13:09
thank you all for your help! Good progress :)
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: If you're going to be corrected, at least STAND for it, you lazy so-and-so.
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<Gadi>
this is interesting - supposedly this NAS device interface runs on port 2000
13:10
gee - port 2000 sounds familiar
13:10
:)
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<alkisg>
Yeah we should someday change that one...
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<Gadi>
of course, its not like these guys were worried about conflicting with sieve or with cisco's softphone manager
13:16
:)
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<nobios>
hi there, anyone with some knowledge about local driver in ltsp 4.2? I'm using ubuntu 9.10 and everything seems ok, but the drives won't show in ~/Drives
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<Appiah>
isnt that LTSP 5?
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on ubuntu 9.10
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<nobios>
ltsp 5 didn't work with my old machines
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ltspfs error is: No matches found, authority file "-" not written
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<Ahmuck>
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Barebones/NT330i/index.html - beauty in a box
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18:19* nobios is away: auto-away
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<stgraber>
hey sbalneav
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<noob1>
i think my bridge is working now =)
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is it normal for my auto rdesktop screen to flash back into the pxe boot screen about 1 s every 20 seconds?
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