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Channel log from 7 April 2013   (all times are UTC)

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09:03
<warren>
hmm, has Enslaver been around?
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13:34
<ltspuser_74>
hi ,
13:37
I have installed edubuntu 12.04 amd 64 and connected atom nodes , the display in the server is fine however the splash screen in the nodes are moved to a side ,the nodes can load unity 2d but not fallback . It used to be fine with 10.10 . Any ideas to fix it . Thanks
13:37
<alkisg>
Install gnome-session-fallback
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13:38
<ltspuser_74>
I had done that at the time of installation ,
13:39
my laptop works fine when pxe booted
13:40
<alkisg>
Are you saying that your laptop loads the fallback session, and the atom nodes do not?
13:40
<ltspuser_74>
yes
13:41
<alkisg>
Any error messages? Do you see it as available in ldm? Do you select it at login time?
13:42
<ltspuser_74>
no error messages , However the username prompt goes to a corner
13:43
<alkisg>
And then? It returns to LDM?
13:44
<ltspuser_74>
no it stays
13:44
<alkisg>
So when you try to login with gnome-fallback in atom clients, it hangs?
13:45
And if you select e.g. unity 2d, it works?
13:45
<ltspuser_74>
when i do that only the wall paper is shown but no menu
13:45
but when i use an atom netbook the menu is shown
13:46
<alkisg>
Read this bug report, is this what you're saying?
13:46
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1078679
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13:50
<ltspuser_74>
unity 2d works , I dont think this is the problem since 1) the clients are thin 2) even the login screen is having a problem
13:51
<alkisg>
Ah, you might be talking about a resolution issue then
13:51
Can you press alt+ctrl+t to invoke a terminal?
13:51
After login?
13:51
And there, run: xrandr
13:52
<ltspuser_74>
from the server or client
13:53
<alkisg>
Client, after login
13:53
With the menu not showing etc, just alt+ctrl+t to open a terminal
14:02
<ltspuser_74>
no response
14:03
<alkisg>
Does right mouse click bring up a menu?
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14:04
<ltspuser_74>
no
14:04
yes
14:05
sorry
14:05
i can create a new folder
14:05
<alkisg>
On the server, login as that user
14:05
<ltspuser_74>
got the terminal
14:05
<alkisg>
cd Desktop
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cp /usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop . ; chmod +x gnome-terminal.desktop
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14:06
<alkisg>
OK if you got the terminal it's fine
14:06
Now, run xrandr and check the resolution, outputs etc
14:06
If it thinks you have 2 monitors, you need to disable the ghost output
14:07
With, for example, xrandr --output VGA1 --off
14:07
If that's the problem, you can then fix it from lts.conf
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14:09
<ltspuser_74>
when i did the screen when blank
14:09
i think this is the problem , could you help me fix it
14:10
<alkisg>
We need the output of xrandr, in order to help you
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14:15
<ltspuser_74>
screen 0 current 2048*768
14:16
<alkisg>
You can run e.g. firefox and paste all the output to pastebin.com
14:16
<ltspuser_74>
lvds1 connected at 1024*768+1024+0
14:16
<alkisg>
!pastebin
14:16
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
14:17
<alkisg>
firefox from the terminal, alt+tab to switch windows, alt + mouse drag to drag windows around...
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<ltspuser_74>
can you give me an email since the pastebin.com does not seems to be working
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<alkisg>
Try paste.debian.net or paste.ubuntu.com then
14:32
(also, pastebin.com works for me...)
14:32
There's also a "pastebinit" tool that you can install, and then run: xrandr | pastebinit
14:34
<ltspuser_74>
done in paste.debian.com
14:34
.net
14:34
<alkisg>
URL?
14:35
This one? http://paste.debian.net/248083
14:35
<ltspuser_74>
yes
14:35
<alkisg>
Did you say that you ran `xrandr --output VGA1 --off` and it blanked your monitor?
14:36
<ltspuser_74>
yes
14:36
<alkisg>
Is your monitor an external one?
14:36
Or are they netbooks?
14:36
<ltspuser_74>
yes
14:36
<alkisg>
I asked 2 questions, so you need to specify which one you answer with "yes" :)
14:37
<ltspuser_74>
external ,
14:37
<alkisg>
OK, run: xrandr --output LVDS1 --off
14:37
Does this fix things?
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14:38
<ltspuser_74>
the menu has come
14:39
<alkisg>
On the server now,
14:39
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
14:40
[Default]
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XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="LVDS1 --off"
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Reboot client and check if the problem is gone
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<ltspuser_74>
its worked , thanks ,
15:09
<cifra89>
hi @all, I'm trying to install an LTSP server, but I did not understand if the image for the client that is created is a minimal image of parent operating system (eg, debian, gentoo, etc) or if it is already configured to be used as a desktop workstation because use I should do with it is completely different!
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17:05
<gbaman>
is it possible to have an option when the pi boots to copy the ltsp image over to the pi then it boot locally till that is done again?
17:05
<vagrantc>
it is possible, not necessarily trivial
17:06
<gbaman>
provides the best of both worlds by not hammering the network every time but meaning we can maintain a perfect image
17:06
<jammcq>
hey vagrantc, are you doing alot with pi ?
17:06
<vagrantc>
jammcq: i've worked on it a bit
17:06
<gbaman>
jammcq he has been rather epic helping me out with a bit of ltsp raspi stuff recently :)
17:06
<vagrantc>
jammcq: tested some proof of concept LTSP stuff with it
17:06
<jammcq>
i've got a small A10 Allwinner workstation that I guess is similar to the Pi
17:07* vagrantc would rather be working with ARMv7 capable hardware though
17:07
<jammcq>
I've booted with berryboot and I see one of the options for OS install is LTSP. is that yours?
17:07
this is my first experience with Arm
17:07
and i'm rather confused with all the stuff out there
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17:07
<vagrantc>
no, berryboot has a mode sort of like what gbaman is trying, although less flexible
17:08
or berryterminal
17:08
<gbaman>
also, speed wise vagrantc, i noticed that the network booting took around 50-60 seconds while local took 30ish seconds, likely due to the pis 100/10 ethernet
17:08
<vagrantc>
it's another OS entirely... but LTSP5 works fine on the rpi, more or less.
17:08
<gbaman>
yea, sadly it does not support pulling OSs off the network
17:10
<jammcq>
vagrantc: what bootloader are you using?
17:10
<vagrantc>
yeah, i haven't figured out a hack to get it to truely network boot, you have to load the kernel + initramfs off the SD card
17:10
<gbaman>
for us that isnt a problem really, 24mb :)
17:10
<vagrantc>
jammcq: the rpi's builtin features ... just editing config.txt and stuff
17:10
<jammcq>
hmm, dunno of the allwinner has those same built-in things or if that's unique to the Pi
17:10
<vagrantc>
jammcq: http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-ltsp-howto.txt
17:10
jammcq: that's my really *rough* howto
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: so it's another ARMv6 with VFP ?
17:10
<jammcq>
ummm
17:11
<vagrantc>
heh
17:11
<jammcq>
I don't even know the answers to those questions
17:11
<vagrantc>
jammcq: well, if it's ARMv7 capable, you probably want to run straight debian armhf...
17:11
<jammcq>
hey vagrantc, are you doing alot with pi ?Processor: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)
17:12
oops
17:12
Processor: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l)
17:12
so that's "better" than Pi ?
17:12
<vagrantc>
yeah, you should be able to get that running with regular debian ... raspbian is essentially a rebuild of debian's armhf port for ARMv6
17:13
<jammcq>
I've got a 8gb sd card and it has 4gb of nand
17:13
I'd like to get it installed on the nand, but that looks a bit tricky
17:13
<vagrantc>
yeah, the SD card is probably easier to start with
17:14* vagrantc has been messing with an openpandora.org all week
17:14
<vagrantc>
not really a candidate for LTSP, but it's a nice piece of hardwarae
17:14
<gbaman>
hmmm, there must be a way for berryboot to get a network image
17:14
seeing as it can pull down images off the inernet
17:15
<vagrantc>
it wasn't working last i tried
17:15
that was a couple months ago, though
17:15
<gbaman>
could always trick it with dns server...
17:16
<vagrantc>
i also tried a hack to load a kernel and initramfs, download a new kernel + initramfs off the network, and kexec boot those, but that didnt' work either
17:16
<gbaman>
:)
17:16
well, its source code is out there :)
17:16
<vagrantc>
kexec on the architectures where it is most useful generally doesn't work ... works great on x86 :/
17:17
<gbaman>
everything works great on x86
17:17
:)
17:17
so, any other ideas other than berryboot?
17:17
<vagrantc>
i'm fresh out
17:18
<gbaman>
it should be fine with loading the /boot stuff
17:18
<vagrantc>
might just not have unnderstood the berryboot syntax ... probably worth another look
17:18
<gbaman>
as those are unlikely to change
17:18
what about the same way as we already do fat client but just write it to the sd card
17:19* vagrantc hopes the next-generation RPI hardware will be ARMv7...
17:19* gbaman highly doubts it will be any time soon
17:19
<vagrantc>
there are several other options that are nearly as cheap, but far more capable
17:21
<gbaman>
does not change the fact that my school will get raspberry pis, if anything
17:23
<muppis>
At office we received 10 rpi's last week. I don't have a clue for what purpose.. :)
17:23
<gbaman>
lol
17:23
ltsp!
17:23
http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/rpi-ltsp-howto.txt
17:23
:)
17:23
<muppis>
Hope so. :)
17:24
<vagrantc>
jammcq: the allwinner stuff looks decent ... hopefully they're upstreaming the kernel patches ... that's one of the common problems with arm hardware
17:24
<muppis>
Propably something what I need to do, but I'll be last to be told..
17:25
<gbaman>
hmm, could we not just change the script ltsp runs when the os is grabbed for fat client to write to the sd card?
17:27
or just run a script that writes it to sd card when the os loads
17:27
a startup script
17:27
<vagrantc>
gbaman: there are a number of differences in the setup that would need to be conditionalized.
17:27
you need to hard-code a few things that are normally pulled from network settings and such
17:28
but yes, it is theoretically possible...
17:28
but you also want to be careful not to accidentally overwrite other SD images and such
17:28
<gbaman>
how different though is fake fat client image we built for the pi and the image on the server?
17:29
<vagrantc>
not very, but the differences matter
17:29* vagrantc isn't going to debate this any longer
17:29
<gbaman>
big differences?
17:29
or just config files?
17:30
<vagrantc>
i've documented what i have time for, experiment and find out! :P
17:30
<gbaman>
maybe it is time to just grab the entire server image and throw it onto the second partition of the sd card....
17:30
what could possibly go wrong :)
17:31
ok, lets say in theory there was no changes needed to be made
17:32
would it be as simple as mounting the rofs and copying it to the sd card?
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<alkisg>
(08:08:06 μμ) gbaman: also, speed wise vagrantc, i noticed that the network booting took around 50-60 seconds while local took 30ish seconds, likely due to the pis 100/10 ethernet ==> Is that with NFS or squashfs'ed NBD?
18:06
<vagrantc>
probably NFS ... squashfs will probably do better
18:06
<alkisg>
Yeah I imagine it should be faster than local (low speed) sd card...
18:07
Or at least similar
18:10
gbaman: about local caching, what would work best is this: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xnbd-server.8.html
18:10
You'd run this on the client, and xnbd-client on the client too
18:11
Then, the xnbd-server running on the client, would cache any read blocks on the local sd card
18:11
This wouldn't put any overhead on the network at all..
18:12
And about kernel updates, copying the new kernel via tftp to local sd card + rebooting once after the copy, would also work
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18:18
<alkisg>
vagrantc: have you ever tried or read about description translations in debian/control? Would "XB-Description-el_GR" work?
18:19* alkisg is trying to internationalize the epoptes description without getting into http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp - which doesn't even have "el" listed... :-/
18:19
<markit>
back and seeing a lot of talk about PI and ltsp :) Btw, http://cubieboard.org/ seems much better, and would work as fat client too I suppose (should be 2X the speed of PI)
18:19
<gbaman>
alkisg: it was nfs, an interesting idea with xnbd...
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<alkisg>
gbaman: with gigabit server, 100 mbps clients, and 10-20 clients, you'll probably see that using local SD storage isn't really worth it
18:20
But it is worth it if your server <=> switch connection is 100 mbps
18:20
<gbaman>
not sure what hardware the school has switch wise
18:20
<alkisg>
(with squashfs'ed nbd, or compressed btrfs)
18:21
<gbaman>
it would also be good to be able to use it without a network connection (using local accounts)
18:22
<alkisg>
Then you'd want a fat image, not a thin one. Let's suppose that's 1 GB.
18:22
For 10 clients, you'd need to transfer 10 GB on every image update
18:22
With 100 Mbps server <=> switch connection, that would take hours...
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18:25
<gbaman>
the perfect soloution for us would be images are loaded locally (tricked fat clients) then if we want to update/reset them then we hold a key on boot or something then it grabs a copy of the perfect server one
18:26
<alkisg>
vagrantc: http://ddtp.debian.net/ddtss/index.cgi/de/translate/epoptes => so I could just translate the description there?!
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18:28
<alkisg>
gbaman: wouldn't it be easier to do it after the client has booted? Then the user could be working while the new image is downloading...
18:29
Also, that way it's just a simple shell script that you can run with ssh, epoptes, whatever
18:29
And there you have rsync available, so that you can continue the process on the next boot, if needed
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<gbaman>
aparently i timed out
18:31
anyway, tried a direct copy from the server image
18:31
it failed to find the ltsp server
18:31
but seemed to boot fine
18:32
a few odd errors but i doubt they were important :)
18:32
it was trying to connect to a different ltsp server which was weird
18:33
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't really know about translated control file stuff
18:38
<alkisg>
Thanks... I also found this one, not sure if it sends the translations back to debian... https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/raring/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-universe/el/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=epoptes
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22:30
<Enslaver>
ltsp rpm's accepted by EPEL today
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22:31
<muppis>
7th or 8th of April as your local time?
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22:35
<Enslaver>
7t
22:35
about to push them through to stable now
22:35
<jammcq>
Enslaver: congrats... what is EPEL ?
22:36
<Enslaver>
jammcq: Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux
22:37
the only repo that red hat doesn't charge for to use =)
22:37
<muppis>
:)
22:38
<Enslaver>
Once I submit the ok to EPEL can someone help me with getting it linked and announced on the site?
22:38
Hyper?
22:43
<jammcq>
ah
22:43
I can help with that, and I can send out email announcements
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<Enslaver>
excellent
22:57
ok moved all rpm's to stable status
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23:01* vagrantc cheers