IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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07:16
<shan>
Hello! We have a server running ubuntu 8.04 LTS server. I have ltsp 5.0 installed on the same.
07:17
We have purchased new nodes to be added to this ltsp installation, the configuration of the machine is Dual core with intel 915 chipset
07:18
When I boot up the nodes it goes up to the ubuntu log and then freezes
07:18
can some one help me with this issue.
07:24
<alkisg>
Press Esc to hide the logo to see the error messages
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07:26
<kim_>
i have setup ltsp on ubuntu 9.04 before 3 month it was working fine ,,,,now it is now even booting the client
07:26
and if i tried with other version kiosk mode is not working
07:27
it is coming desktop on client side
07:27
<alkisg>
Why is it not booting? Error message?
07:28
<shan>
After the log is displayed for a short while the screen goes blank with the cursor blinking at the top left hand corner
07:28
<kim_>
on client side ...it is not booting ...even not taking ip address
07:29
alkisg: what about other version if i try kiosk mode ...why desktop is coming
07:29
<alkisg>
shan: instead of pressing "Esc" to hide the logo, you can also disable it by removing "quiet splash" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
07:29
<shan>
on pressing Ctrl +Alt+F1 it get IP-Config:eth0 hardware address d0:27:88:6b:9b:1a mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
07:30
it doesn't proceed any further
07:30
<alkisg>
kim_: the kiosk plugin had some bugs in recent versions, but it can be made to work, there are bugs + workarounds against this problem in launchpad
07:30
<kim_>
alkisg :can u send me the link
07:31
<alkisg>
kim_: your problem is your dhcp server. You're looking to upgrade to a newer ubuntu version instead?
07:32
<kim_>
alkisg : but before that it was working fine for me on 9.04, what hapen suddenly
07:32
alkisg : end me the link for bug fix on recent version
07:32
<alkisg>
shan: the older clients work, and only these new ones aren't able to boot? Then it's probably a network module problem.
07:32
!adding-modules | echo shan:
07:32
<ltsp>
shan: adding-modules: If your clients won't boot with messages like 'eth0: link not ready', maybe you're missing an initramfs-module: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules.
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<alkisg>
kim_: It's on launchpad, I don't have it handy. There's a page there with about 40 ltsp bugs, it's one of those.
07:34
<kim_>
alkisg : tell me where is the launchpad.....
07:34
<shan>
ltsp: i just disabled the splash and found that the boot stopped at [27.204016] r8169: eth0: link up
07:34
<alkisg>
kim_: Google for it, you'll find it in the first result
07:34
<shan>
alkisg: yes all the older clients work just fine
07:34
<alkisg>
shan: ltsp is a bot, a program that helps in taking notes on the channel
07:35
<shan>
oh! ok. ;)
07:35
alkisg: any clue from my last post?
07:36
<alkisg>
shan: yes, I send you a link with the solution to your problem above
07:36
The one about adding-modules
07:36
<shan>
thank you, I will try it out immediately and get back to you if I have any problems
07:36
I am at the page, I will try and get back to you.
07:38
<kim_>
alkisg : can u expain me why this 9.04 is not working now as it was before...,.y client is not booting
07:38
alkisg : is there any solution that i can check
07:40
<alkisg>
kim_: you did something that broke your dhcp server, so that's what needs troubleshooting
07:40
But decide first if you want to fix your existing installation, or upgrade to a newer os versio
07:40
n
07:41
<kim_>
alkisg : existing setup ...i want because we are running this only
07:42
alkisg : can u suggest me how to solve this problem....we are having opur own dhcp server we are booting from there ...from here we are only taking firefox image
07:42
<alkisg>
kim_: is your dhcp server the same as your ltsp server? Or is it on a separate machine?
07:43
<kim_>
alkisg : seperate machine
07:43
<alkisg>
Which os/version?
07:43
<kim_>
dhcp is on windows 2003 and ltsp on 9.04
07:44
<alkisg>
Then the problem is on your windows server
07:44
This might help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
07:45
<kim_>
alkisg : no actually if i try with other ltsp server which is on 10.04 , 11.04 ,, client is booting ....what from 9.04 not
07:45
alkisg : i think it is not dhcp server problem
07:45
<alkisg>
kim_: you said that the client doesn't take an ip
07:45
That's always a dhcp problem
07:46
<kim_>
but why from other setup it is taking ip.......it means dhcp server is working fine'
07:46
<alkisg>
Maybe it means that in 10.04 you have a second dhcp server running there
07:46
So you have a broken setup with 2 dhcp servers on the same network.
07:48
<kim_>
alkisg : what do u mwan by second dhcp server.....
07:49
<alkisg>
kim_: you say that you are using a windows dhcp server
07:49
Then, if you power OFF your ltsp servers, the client should still get an IP
07:49
<shan>
alkisg: I went up to the point of making the additional_net_modules executable
07:49
<alkisg>
Does it?
07:50
<shan>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels it say that there is no such file or directory
07:50
<kim_>
alkisg : ya but we set up dhcp server like that if client will boot he will get ip from there but imager from ltsp
07:50
<alkisg>
shan: ok ignore that command, it shouldn't cause a problem, go on with following the rest of the wiki page
07:51
kim_: you say "ya", does that mean that the client gets an IP if the ltsp server if powered off?
07:51
Because above you said that your problem is that the client doesn't take an ip
07:51
Please be specific in your answers, different answers mean different problems
07:52
<shan>
alkisg: I did ltsp-update-kernels ... so where would the new kernel image that I have to copy into the tftp directory be?
07:52
<alkisg>
shan: ltsp-update-kernels copies the image to the tftp dir, so you don't need to copy anything manually
07:52
Try rebooting the client now
07:53
<shan>
alkisg: I did try rebooting the client, it is still the same.
07:54
<alkisg>
shan: ls /lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
07:54
Is that file there?
07:54
<kim_>
alkisg : see we have set ltsp server like this if client boot he will boot through pxe then he will get ip and image from ltsp
07:55
alkisg : we have given dhcpd.conf file to domain team, then have done this
07:55
alkisg : before that i was hapeng now it is not
07:56
<alkisg>
kim_: I understand what you're saying. Please try what I said and tell me the result, if you want me to continue helping you. Power off the ltsp server, and see if your thin client gets an IP. If it doesn't, it's a windows dhcp server problem, so you need to contact the windows administrator.
07:56
<shan>
alkisg: /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-server/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
07:56
was the output
07:56
it was there for 19 through 29 the last two digits
07:57
<kim_>
alkisg ; client is getting ip if ltsp server is off ...this is true
07:57
<alkisg>
kim_: you said above that the client doesn't take an IP. So that wasn't true?
07:57
<kim_>
alkisg : but again client is booting normally not pxe
07:57
<alkisg>
So what is the problem? What's the error message on the client?
07:57
kim_: no no don't boot the client normally
07:58
The client should say something like this:
07:58
<kim_>
alkisg : i said when client boot through pxe . not getting ip...
07:58
<alkisg>
Doing PXE... got ip=1.2.3.4 .... trying to download from tftp... tftp timeout
07:58
So, with the ltsp server powered off, the client should get an ip ***with PXE***, and then you should get a tftp timeout
07:58
<kim_>
alkisg : ya it showing dhcp...........
07:58
<alkisg>
Right. And then?
07:59
It continues booting from local disk?
07:59
<kim_>
ya then it continue boot through local disk......
07:59
<alkisg>
kim_: right, so the problem is in your windows dhcp server
07:59
That link that I send you half an hour ago, show it to your windows administrator
08:00
It's working with 10.04 because you have another dhcp server there, which is bad for your network
08:00
The correct solution is what I said above, tell them to fix the windows dhcp server.
08:00
<kim_>
alkisg : k i agry with u ....but y it is working with other ltsp setup ....if problem with dhcp server
08:00
<alkisg>
(11:00:17 πμ) alkisg: It's working with 10.04 because you have another dhcp server there, which is bad for your network
08:01
<kim_>
alkisg : i sto the other dhcp server on 10.04
08:01
alkisg : then also it is working
08:01
<alkisg>
That doesn't make sense
08:01
Try it now
08:02
<kim_>
k
08:02
<shan>
alkisg: the ls command listed the following
08:02
/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-server/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko
08:02
for 2.6.24-19 to 29
08:02
<alkisg>
shan: ok, so 8.04 has that module. Let's see if you got it in your initramfs
08:02
shan: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
08:03
Where "quiet splash" was, put "break=top"
08:03
You'll get an initramfs> prompt
08:03
See if r8169.ko is there, in /lib/modules... etc
08:06
<shan>
(initramfs) [ 25.294863] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1
08:07
<kim_>
alkisg ; see i have checked some trobleshoot ,,,,,when i run start tftpd-hpa.....it is showing start: Unknown job: tftpd-hpa
08:07
<shan>
I hit enter and i got the initramfs prompt
08:07
<kim_>
alkisg : now tell me what i do
08:08
<alkisg>
kim_: I told you above what to try, you didn't try it. Instead, you're trying something with tftpd-hpa, which is completely unrelated. Try stopping the dhcp server, not the tftp server.
08:08
<kim_>
k
08:08
<alkisg>
shan: ls /lib/modules... etc, check if the r8169.ko is there
08:10
<shan>
yes the r8169.ko file is available in /lib/modules....etc
08:11
<alkisg>
shan: then it's not a missing module problem, let's move on. Replace "break=top" with "break=bottom" and reboot the client
08:11
What do you get with that?
08:11
<shan>
ok
08:13
alkisg: now again it has stopped at r8169: eth0: link up
08:13
<alkisg>
shan: it sounds like a bug then, either in r8169.ko or, more probably, in ipconfig
08:13
shan: here's a possible workaround
08:14
Again in pxelinux.cfg/default, remove "break=bottom", but
08:14
at a NEW line at the end of the file, put this:
08:14
ipappend 3
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<alkisg>
Save, reboot client. If it works I'll explain what this is .
08:14
<shan>
ok
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08:17
<shan>
the client has rebooted and it shows: IP-Config: eth0 hardware address ...... mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
08:18
r8169: eth0: link down
08:18
IP-Config: etho guessed bradcast address 192.168.13.255
08:18
IP-Config: eth0 completed (from 192.168.13.61):
08:19
address: 192.168.13.29 broadcast: 192.168.13.255 netmask:255.255.255.0 gateway: 192.168.13.61 dns0: 192.168.13.61 ...
08:20
rootserver: 192.168.13.61 rootpath:
08:20
filename:
08:20
error: connect: Connection timed out
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<kim_>
alkisg : it is now showing tftp time out : arp time out
08:21
now what next
08:21
<shan>
mount: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: invalid argument
08:21
running /scripts/init-bottom
08:22
mounting /root/dev/ on /dev/.static/dev failed: no such file or directory
08:22
mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: no such file or directory
08:22
...
08:22
target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init
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(initramfs)
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<alkisg>
shan: I don't know of any other workarounds that would help ipconfig/r8169.ko work. I'd upgrade to 10.04 if I were you.
08:23
Maybe a newer kernel could help, maybe not.
08:24
Or maybe a newer ipconfig would help. But all those would need manual installation.
08:24
<shan>
ok, let me evaluate that. Thanks for your time and guidance.
08:24
<kim_>
alkisg : can u now tell me what i do...when i boot client it is showing tftp time out
08:24
<shan>
I appreciate it.
08:24
<alkisg>
shan: you're welcome
08:24
<shan>
I will try it and get back to you.
08:24
bye
08:25
<alkisg>
kim_: on your ltsp server, run this: sudo netstat -nap | grep :67
08:25
What's the output?
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<kim_>
noting
08:26
alkisg : noting ....is coming
08:26
<alkisg>
kim_: and the client gets and IP and stops with tftp timeout?
08:26
<kim_>
alkisg : yes
08:26
<alkisg>
OK, on your ltsp server, what's the output of this? sudo netstat -nap | grep :69
08:27
<kim_>
alkisg : noting
08:28
<alkisg>
Then you closed your tftp server. Start it again.
08:28
<kim_>
alkisg : sorry
08:29
alkisg : it is showing udp 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* 2247/inetd
08:29
<alkisg>
OK, and if you reboot the client?
08:30
<kim_>
alkisg: i need to reboot the system....for what
08:30
<alkisg>
Not the server, the client
08:31
What error message the client says now if you try to boot it
08:31
<kim_>
same error tftp time out....it is getting ip but now booting
08:32
<alkisg>
Does it say the IP of the tftp server it's trying to contact?
08:32
Is it the ltsp server, or the windows server?
08:33
<kim_>
alkisg : let me chekc
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<kim_>
alkisg : it is showing the same error ...getiing ip but tftp time out ...and dhcp ip which it is showing that windows server ip
08:56
<alkisg>
Right, so, again, give that link that I gave you 1.5 an hour ago to your windows administrator
08:56
<kim_>
give it to me again
08:56
i will main them
08:56
<alkisg>
Read the irc logs, the links is in the irc topic
08:57
Tell your windows administrator to set "next-server" to your ltsp server.
08:57
<kim_>
alkisg : can u send me again that link.....to times i got disconnected that y
08:58
<alkisg>
If you see the topic, you'll see this link: IRC logs at: http://www.nubae.com/logs/
08:58
This contains all the chats here, from all dates, so you can see our chat on the internet
09:01
<kim_>
k
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09:03
<alkisg>
kim_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
09:03
066 Boot Server Host Name: <ip address>
09:03
Thta 066 option is what your setup is missing
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09:32
<kim_>
alkisg : i have talked to team.....but let me know if i try
09:33
tftp ip address -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 from my system then also it is not getting image
09:36
<alkisg>
kim_: follow the other steps from that tftp troubleshooting page too
09:37
<kim_>
k, i will but answer my above q
09:37
<alkisg>
I don't see a question, I only see a statement
09:38
Is your question "why my tftp isn't working"?
09:39
<kim_>
yes...
09:39
<alkisg>
Then my answer is "follow the other steps from that tftp troubleshooting page too"
09:39
I wrote that wiki page exactly for tftp troubleshooting, so just follow it
09:40
<kim_>
when i give that command from my desktop it is showing "Transfer timed out" at the end
09:40
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
09:40
Yes, to find out what is wrong with your tftp settings you need to follow the steps of that wiki page.
09:41
Follow them from top to bottom, and tell me the first result that doesn't work for you
09:43
<kim_>
k
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09:51
<kim_>
alkisg : i have checked everything ........when i do tftp ip address -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 on server itselef
09:52
alkisg : it is working but not on client
09:52
alkisg : what i do next
09:55
<alkisg>
kim_: what do you mean "not on client"? Did you follow step 4, "Use an external tftp client", from a standalone workstation?
09:56
<kim_>
yes
09:56
<alkisg>
Did it work from a standalone workstation?
09:56
<kim_>
it is saying transfer timed out t the end
09:57
<alkisg>
Are you talking about a standalone workstation? Or about an ltsp thin client?
09:57
<kim_>
standalone workstation
09:58
<alkisg>
OK. Let me sum up what you just said:
09:58
You can download a file from your tftp server if you sit on your tftp server,
09:59
but you're getting a tftp timeout if you run the same command from another standalone workstation
09:59
<kim_>
yes
09:59
<alkisg>
In that case, the problem is most likely a firewall on your ltsp/tftp server blocking the tftp port
10:00
<kim_>
how to solve this problem
10:00
<alkisg>
Disable the firewall
10:00
<kim_>
please let me know
10:00
how to disable
10:00
<alkisg>
You can ask in #ubuntu for how to disable a firewall, it's not related to ltsp.
10:00
<kim_>
k
10:01
#ubuntu
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<alkisg>
But remember that if you were trying from a thin client and not from a standalone workstation, then the problem would NOT be a firewall. Different answers mean different problems.
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<Hyperbyte>
kim_: just as an extra check to make sure it's a firewall, run netstat -lpn | grep tftp on the server and paste output here
10:06
<kim_>
no output after that command
10:07
<alkisg>
Try with sudo: sudo netstat -lpn | grep tftp
10:11
<kim_>
yes no output
10:12
<alkisg>
You can download a file from tftp locally on your server, but you have no tftp server running?!
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, could it be that tftpd is invoked via xinetd on his machine?
10:12
<alkisg>
Ah yeah 9.04, inetd
10:12
That's why I'm using the wiki page :)
10:12
It has info for all versions there
10:13
<Hyperbyte>
Well doesn't that explain it? Doesn't inetd by default only allow connections from localhost?
10:13
<alkisg>
No, by default it allows from anywhere
10:13
One has to modify hosts.deny/hosts.allow to restrict it
10:15
kim_: what's the output of this command, on you server? grep -v ^# /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}
10:18
<kim_>
for host.allow ......nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
10:18
and for host.dent ....noting
10:18
<alkisg>
OK, so they don't restrict access to your tftp.
10:18
Did you find out if you're using a firewall on your ltsp server?
10:19
<kim_>
ya firewall is off bydefault
10:20
<alkisg>
Then I don't know what could prohibit remote clients from accessing tftp, but allow local clients to access it.
10:20
Again, if you didn't try from a standalone client, but you only tried from a thin client, it's a different problem.
10:22
<kim_>
i tried from standalone machine
10:22
<Hyperbyte>
Can you ping the server, from the standalone machine?
10:22
<kim_>
yes i can
10:23
<alkisg>
Check your /var/log/daemon.log for possible hints as to why the standalone connection is refused
10:24
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, what IP address do you use to reach your server, from the standalone machine?
10:24
And what IP address do you use to reach your server, from the server itself?
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10:24
<Hyperbyte>
(i.e, what IP address do you use after the tftp command)
10:25
<kim_>
Hybenate : ltsp server ip address ....
10:25
<Hyperbyte>
Both cases same IP address?
10:25
<kim_>
yes
10:26
<Hyperbyte>
Okay... type 'ufw status' and 'service iptables status'
10:27
<kim_>
ufw status : inactive
10:27
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, iptables isn't a service on Ubuntu. Instead of 'service iptables status', use 'iptables -L' and pastebin the output.
10:28
And see alkisg's last message. :)
10:28
<kim_>
ltsp dhclient : no working lease in persistent database -sleeping in /var/log/daemon.log
10:29
ltsp dhclient : DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
10:30
<Hyperbyte>
Also, put the output of 'ifconfig' on pastebin
10:32
<kim_>
http://pastebin.com/FPh7e77F
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10:35
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, and 'ifconfig' ?
10:36
<kim_>
yes , m sending u
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10:40
<Hyperbyte>
Do you have a pastebin link?
10:42
<kim_>
http://pastebin.com/nKcrJsAC
10:42
check ifconfig and iptables -l
10:44
<Hyperbyte>
The standalone machine you're trying this from, is it also Linux?
10:45
<kim_>
yes
10:45
i have tried both from windows and linux
10:45
<Hyperbyte>
Pastebin the "ifconfig" of the standalone machine too
10:45
<kim_>
k
10:47
<alkisg>
kim_: can you ssh from a standalone machine to your ltsp server?
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10:48
<kim_>
yes
10:48
<alkisg>
Using the same IP that you use for tftp?
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10:50
<kim_>
yes
10:51
<alkisg>
What is between that standalone client and the ltsp server? Just a switch?
10:52
<kim_>
yes
10:52
<alkisg>
Is that switch configured to drop all UDP traffic?
10:52
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, do you have the output of 'ifconfig' on the standalone client for me? :-)
10:53
<kim_>
yes
10:54
<Hyperbyte>
Where? :)
10:57
<stgraber>
there we go, now I can easily browse ltsp, ltspfs and ldm bugs for both upstream and Ubuntu :)
11:00
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, the cdpinger you sent me works by the way. :)
11:00
Heard from the collegue today that he's been busy copying CD's.
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11:07
<kim_>
Hyperbyte : alkisg : thanks it is working now.....
11:07
alkisg : can u send me trouble shoot details on kiosk on 10.04 and above
11:09
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, what was the problem?
11:11
<alkisg>
kim_: was the switch blocking UDP traffic?
11:12
<kim_>
yes
11:12
alkisg : thanks for supporting me
11:14
<alkisg>
You're welcome, but I still wonder how dhcp was working if udp was blocked
11:16
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, often DHCP and DNS are allowed by switches, rest is blocked.
11:17
<alkisg>
He did say that it was working with 10.04 though
11:17
I can't imagine how
11:18
<kim_>
alkisg : can u help me out ...this ltsp setup was on 9.04 ,,,,now m also trying with 10.04 and above ....so where i can find the documentation regarding that
11:19
<alkisg>
kim_: sorry no more time for helping people today, the previous problem took 2 hours :) Ask in the channel, maybe someone else can help you.
11:19
<kim_>
k
11:20
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
11:22
<alkisg>
kim_: here are the bug reports I was telling you about the kiosk plugin, in launchpad: http://tinyurl.com/6xgonsg
11:23
Some of those contain fixes for known problems with the kiosk plugin in newer versions
11:23
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, get to work! ;-)
11:23
Heheh
11:24
<alkisg>
(actually I've been working 6 hours straight till now :D)
11:24
<Hyperbyte>
:D
11:24* Hyperbyte DCC's alkisg some coffee
11:25
<alkisg>
Thanks, nice, a little low on sugar :P
11:25
<Hyperbyte>
Hey, do I have to do everything?! I'm working too you know. :P
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<knipwim>
can anyone recommend a good openldap gui?
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12:07
<smuggboy>
i configured my ltsp and it runs fine via pxe-booting. i remendered, years ago i configured a ltsp server and there was a the file "lts.conf" in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/"and changes there used by all client. the file doesnt't exist on the server if i create one its ignored
12:09
i can see "/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf", but if i can use this one i had to create a new image on every change i make. So what to do that ltsp-client gets the config from tftp ?
12:11
<Hyperbyte>
I believe it's /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf if you use NFS and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ if you use TFTP
12:11
Not too sure though.
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12:43
<Hyperbyte>
stgraber: the bug you just marked as incomplete, it doesn't happen with newer versions
12:43
At least I didn't have problems with the DVD drive in Ubuntu. Sorry for not reporting back.
12:44
I'll see if I can add some data.
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12:46
<stgraber>
ok, good, so it can probably be marked Fix released then
12:46
<Hyperbyte>
I would say so, yes. I did have problems with UDF disks in Ubuntu 11.04, but alkisg said that was fixed already as well, just not pushed to 11.04
12:47
He gave me a newer version of cdpinger and since then that problem has disappeared as well. :)
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<stgraber>
hmm, yeah, udf support is in ltspfs 0.8 which isn't in Ubuntu yet (or in Debian apparently)
12:48
I guess I should poke vagrantc to get it into Debian and then sync it into Ubuntu
12:48
<Hyperbyte>
:-D
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12:52
<stgraber>
I just emailed vagrant, hopefully we'll get a new ltspfs soon
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12:53
<jammcq>
hey all
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I got my problem fixed thanks to our mighty emperor alkisg (hail!), so I'm good. :-) Would be useful if others could benefit too though.
12:53
Heya jammcq. :-)
12:54
<jammcq>
hey
12:55
<stgraber>
hey jammcq
12:56
<jammcq>
hey stgraber, i've reserved the Seawall motel for Oct 21,22,23
12:57
actually, we can arrive earlier, but the workshop may not be available until friday the 21st
12:58
scotty and I will probably arrive sometime on the 20th
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12:58
<stgraber>
ok, I'll probably arrive on Thursday with some Revolution Linux guys
12:58
and leave with everyone going to UDS on Sunday
12:58
<jammcq>
all we gotta do is figure out a way to get alkisg there
12:58
<alkisg>
Hey guys
12:58
<jammcq>
hey alkisg
12:58
<alkisg>
Talking about LTSP BTS?
12:59
<jammcq>
yepper
12:59
Oct 21-23
12:59* alkisg will look for a sponsor, the tickers are too expensive :D
13:00
<jammcq>
maybe alkisg could apply for sponsorship to UDS ?
13:00
that's in florida, eh?
13:01
<stgraber>
you probably could fly to Montreal and then come along in the Revolution Linux van :)
13:01
according to expedia it's < 700$
13:01
yep, UDS is in Orlando, FL
13:02
<jammcq>
I'd love to pop in on a UDS again. those are a blast
13:02
<alkisg>
Wow, I didn't know I could apply for a UDS sponsorship. Would love to.
13:03
<jammcq>
dunno how easy is these days. I was sponsored 5 times back in the early days
13:03
<stgraber>
they now try to get new folks to show up at UDS so it should be a bit easier for alkisg than for you :)
13:03
<jammcq>
that was back when total attendance was about 60 people
13:03
yeah, I don't have any hope of sponsorship.
13:04
<stgraber>
hehe, yeah, UDS is more like 600 attendees nowadays
13:04
<alkisg>
I'm doing my phd this year so I can arrange to be free at any dates. /me reads http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/sponsorship/ ...
13:04
<jammcq>
yeah, crazy
13:04
<stgraber>
alkisg: whenever the sponsorship applications open, you'll just have to go fill a form at http://summit.ubuntu.com
13:05
<jammcq>
alkisg: I think it helps to get support from a canonical employee. hmm... if only we knew of one...
13:05
<alkisg>
Thank you - I'll do that and hope I can finally meet you guys in person :)
13:05
Haha
13:06
<stgraber>
jammcq: hehe and AFAIK Jorge Castro is still the one handling the sponsorship process, just saying ;)
13:06
<jammcq>
no kidding ?
13:06
I can lean on him a bit
13:06
he owes me
13:06
<stgraber>
yeah, he's one of the guys in charge of planning the UDS :)
13:07
<alkisg>
Has anyone heard of Scotty lately? Will he come to BTS?
13:07
<jammcq>
yeah, he'll be there
13:07
I talked to him last friday
13:07
and i'll probably talk to him today
13:07
<alkisg>
Nice, I was kinda worried, he's been away for too long :)
13:08
<jammcq>
he does that. dissappears for months at a time. I think real life gets in the way of his hacking
13:08
but he and I talk all the time. I spent a week with him in early june
13:08
<ogra_>
stgraber, if you need any backing for a sponsoring request for alkisg i'm happy to jump in
13:08
<alkisg>
Ty guys
13:09
<jammcq>
ogra_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:09
<ogra_>
hey hey
13:09
<jammcq>
how's it going?
13:09
ogra_: you coming to BTS ?
13:09
<ogra_>
busy with all arms :)
13:09
<jammcq>
too many arms
13:09
I still only have 2
13:09
<ogra_>
i would love to, let me see what i can do
13:09* ogra_ has at least 20
13:09
<ogra_>
gets confusing over time :)
13:09
<jammcq>
sure
13:09
<stgraber>
ogra_: it's going to be Thursday => Saturday right before UDS
13:10
<jammcq>
there are some differences, eh?
13:10
<ogra_>
i always forget which arm does what :)
13:10
<stgraber>
ogra_: so I'll probably just be flying from Bangor directly to Orlando on Sunday
13:10
<ogra_>
stgraber, yeah
13:10
<jammcq>
I'd like to get Jorge to come, but he's moving to Florida next month and I doubt he'd want to travel all the way up to Maine, just to turn around and come back from uds
13:11
<ogra_>
tell him we'll tell jono how badly he let down the community ;)
13:12
<stgraber>
;)
13:12
<ogra_>
that will teach him *g*
13:12
<jammcq>
yeah
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13:12
<ogra_>
what about scotttie
13:12
<jammcq>
Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:12
<ogra_>
and that gadi guy
13:12
:)
13:12
<jammcq>
yeah, scotty will be there
13:13
he'll fly to detroit and we'll drive out again
13:13* Gadi rubs his eyes
13:13
<Gadi>
morning
13:13* ogra_ hopes Gadi didnt produce small gadis again as excuse
13:13
<stgraber>
Gadi: coming to BTS?
13:13
<jammcq>
yeah, he'll be there too
13:13
<ogra_>
vagrant ?
13:13
<Gadi>
who what where when
13:13
<ogra_>
oh, and laprag !
13:13
<jammcq>
Oct 21-23
13:13
ogra_: yeah, laprag says he'll be there. he's living in Singapore now
13:13
<stgraber>
Gadi: who? the usuals, Where? the usual, When? Oct 21-23
13:14
<jammcq>
and we'll get Ron and maybe eTyack this year
13:14
<stgraber>
doh, forgot the what ;)
13:14
<Gadi>
damn - holidays that weekend
13:14
<jammcq>
wha ?
13:14
<Gadi>
thats gonna make it tough
13:15
<jammcq>
Gadi: just get them to change the holiday
13:15
<Gadi>
hehe
13:15
<alkisg>
Haha
13:15
<Gadi>
maybe I can make it up sat night or sunday
13:15
<jammcq>
cuz this is IMPORTANT
13:16
<Gadi>
dont suppose you want to do sat-mon instead of fri-sunday....
13:16
:D
13:16
<jammcq>
a bunch of guys need to be down in florida for UDS on sunday
13:16
<Gadi>
ah
13:17
<ogra_>
stgraber, we likely need to be there before 6pm, i guess there will be a company meeting sunday evening
13:17
<jammcq>
8am flight out of bangor should get you to florida plenty early
13:17
<ogra_>
way to early !
13:17
<stgraber>
ogra_: yep, though the RLNX guys usually leave on Sunday around noon and it only takes 2-3 hours to get to Orlando from Bangor
13:17
<ogra_>
:)
13:18
<stgraber>
that's when you get some proper flights ;)
13:18
<ogra_>
yeah, just saying
13:18
<jammcq>
ogra_: yeah, but 8am is more like 2pm your time
13:18
<stgraber>
not like you did last time :)
13:18
<ogra_>
jammcq, lol
13:18
jammcq, i dont really care about my time if i have to be at a meeting 7pm local time in orlando :)
13:19
stgraber, it got me my frequent flyer status :)
13:19
<stgraber>
ogra_: what was it again? we left the hotel at the exact same time, I got to Bangor at 1pm and you did at 10pm? :)
13:19
<jammcq>
is there direct Bangor->Orlando flights?
13:19
<stgraber>
ogra_: I hope so! ;)
13:19
<ogra_>
was woth the hassle to not have to queue up again anymore in airports
13:19
<stgraber>
jammcq: nope, the shortest I could find was with one connection in Philly (US Airways)
13:19
<ogra_>
jammcq, i dont think so, but with one hop
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13:26
<sbalneav>
Morning all
13:26
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:26
<sbalneav>
Hey ho!
13:26
<jammcq>
hey, we're just discussing details of BTS
13:26
and EVERYBODY is asking of scotty will be there
13:26
<sbalneav>
Cool.
13:27
I will, of course, be there.
13:27
My move will be done by then.
13:27
<jammcq>
cuz we all know, it's no party with sbalneav
13:27
<sbalneav>
We make the systems dept. move on Sept. long weekend.
13:27
<jammcq>
which weekend?
13:27
<sbalneav>
This is a well known fact :)
13:27
Labour day. First weekend in Sept.
13:27
<jammcq>
ah
13:27
same as here
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<jammcq>
I talked to David Lloyd about the lobster dinner. he agreed that it's best to have it at the cafe at the motel
13:29
<sbalneav>
Cool.
13:29
<ogra_>
!s
13:29
<ltsp>
ogra_: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
13:29
<ogra_>
bah
13:29
<jammcq>
heh
13:29
<sbalneav>
That's way more fun. Much more opportunity for drinkingh^h^h^h^h merry making :)
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13:34
<alkisg>
!s
13:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
13:35
<alkisg>
Heh we lost all the old bot factoid database :D
13:35
<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey!
13:40
<sbalneav>
stgraber: Hey!
13:40
alkisg: It should have been in that tarball I sent you!
13:40
<alkisg>
sbalneav: I never got a reply :-/
13:41
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Sure! I emailed it to you! I can do it again right now, got the tarball here.
13:41
<alkisg>
Send it again
13:43* alkisg searched gmail spam folder, not there either - alkisg at gmail
13:43
<jammcq>
sbalneav: we're gonna try and get alkisg to BTS this year
13:43* alkisg leaves for the gym, hope to see all of you guys in person, bbl
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13:44
<sbalneav>
Cool
13:44
The tarball's 20 megs. 10 bucks says that's the problem.
13:44
stgraber: hey, we going to have time to try hacking the pam module into lightdm at the hackfest?
13:45
I actually got an ltsp session going a few months ago using xdm
13:45
<Hyperbyte>
sbalneav, mmm... see PM
13:46
<stgraber>
sbalneav: yep, we should have enough time to look at it at the hackfest and I'll see lightdm's author the week after at UDS
13:58
<pmatulis>
is there any info on BTS 2011?
13:58
<jammcq>
pmatulis: nothing written up yet. we're just discussing it here
13:58
I'll create a wiki page soon
13:58
with a sign-up sheet
13:58
pmatulis: you interested in coming?
13:58
Oct 21-23 in SW Harbor, Maine
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14:01
<jammcq>
GodFather: Hey
14:03
<GodFather>
hey jammie, LTSP By Sea, did you schedule it?
14:04
<jammcq>
heh, yes. we've been talking alot about it this morning
14:05
Oct 21-23. we'll be arriving on the 20th. there's possibly a fundraiser dinner scheduled for the evening of the 20th, so we may not be able to get into the workshop until friday morning
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14:31
<Gadi>
so, guys, what would you suggest is the best place to find answers to video driver questions on Ubuntu 10.04?
14:31
googling about video issues on Linux is a nightmare
14:32
because video changes every release
14:32
:P
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<pedronveloso>
if local apps don't start, where can I see the logs of the problem?
14:51
<Hyperbyte>
Does ltsp-localapps xterm work?
14:53
<pedronveloso>
Hyperbyte, no not at all
14:53
ton this specific terminal it does not work
14:54
and firefox starts but then disappears
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<roasted>
Would it be foolish of me to choose 11.04 for an LTSP server instead of 10.04.2? Or should I just get an LTS and PPA LTSP/any other applications up to speed and call it a day?
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<mgariepy>
if i could choose i would do LTS all the time
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16:02
<Hyperbyte>
mgariepy, what's this LTS people keep talking of?
16:09
<Lumiere>
LTS is the Ubuntu Long Term Support release
16:09
<stgraber>
Long Term Support. Ubuntu usually releases one of these every two years
16:09
so far, that's: 6.06 (now end of support), 8.04 (only supported for servers) and 10.04
16:09
the next one will be 12.04
16:10
instead of the 18 months support period, these are supported 5 years for server packages and 3 years for desktop packages
16:14
<Hyperbyte>
Ahh
16:14
How hard is it to upgrade Ubuntu actually?
16:15
With Fedora you can type 'preupgrade-cli' into Fedora 13, press 'y' and come back an hour or two later to find Fedora 14 ready-to-go with everything still working
16:15
Anything similar for Ubuntu?
16:16
<stgraber>
do-release-upgrade will do the same thing in command line. For the GUI, it's integrated with the update-manager so whenever we release a new Ubuntu you'll get a prompt asking if you want to upgrade.
16:16
for LTSP, you'll then need to generate a new chroot as chroot upgrade isn't supported
16:17
<Hyperbyte>
You could just leave the already built chroot intact even, couldn't you?
16:17
<stgraber>
yep, that'd work, though you'd have a chroot running an older version of Ubuntu than your server.
16:19
<Hyperbyte>
Interesting... well, good to know. :)
16:20
I believe I asked this before here recently, but forgot the answer. :\
16:20
!lts
16:20
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts: Long Term Support. Ubuntu usually releases one of these every two years. Instead of the 18 months support period, these are supported 5 years for server packages and 3 years for desktop packages. So far, that's: 6.06 (now end of support), 8.04 (only supported for servers) and 10.04. The next one will be 12.04..
16:20
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, I made a note. :D
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<pedronveloso>
back
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<mgariepy>
Hyperbyte, Long time support, for ubuntu
16:21
opps
16:21
<stgraber>
mgariepy: you're late :)
16:21
<Hyperbyte>
Heheh. Lag? :-)
16:21
<mgariepy>
yeah i saw that.
16:21
lol
16:22
<Hyperbyte>
By the way, does anyone know what the record is for simultaneous clients active on one LTSP server?
16:22
<mgariepy>
Hyperbyte, depend on the server :P
16:23
<Hyperbyte>
That much I know.
16:23
I'm just curious what the most is someone ver had.
16:23
*ever
16:23
<mgariepy>
i saw like 120 with ltsp-cluster
16:23
maybe more like 100.
16:23
<stgraber>
not sure, I think that most I saw was around 80-ish
16:23
<mgariepy>
not sure 100% ;)
16:23
<stgraber>
mgariepy: csrs?
16:23
<mgariepy>
oui
16:24
<stgraber>
yeah, was something between 80 and 100, not exactly sure :)
16:24
though we had to tweak the servers quite a bit for that ;)
16:24
<Hyperbyte>
Okay. :-)
16:24
<mgariepy>
lol
16:24
<Hyperbyte>
Someone asked in here recently if one server could handle 60 clients, and it got me curious. :-D
16:25
But theoretically, if your hardware supports it, you should be able to have a whole lot more on one server, no?
16:25
<stgraber>
the server in question for the 80 clients was an HP with dual quadcore CPUs, 2Gb/s network and 24GB of RAM
16:25
<Hyperbyte>
Only 2Gb/s? That's impressive
16:26
<stgraber>
well, as I said, for that specific deployment we had to do some pretty weird hacks to get the server to handle the load
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<stgraber>
so I wouldn't recommend running more than 50 users on a server, whatever the hardware
16:26
unless you're familiar enough with Linux that you're not affraid to patch libc6 and the glibc (which we had to do for that customer)
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<Gnoze5>
yellow
16:27
<Hyperbyte>
Hi Gnoze5 :-)
16:27
<stgraber>
anyway, got to run. Talk to you later folks!
16:27
<Gnoze5>
Hyperbyte!
16:27
:)
16:27
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks stgraber :-D
16:27
<Gnoze5>
Hyperbyte, we are having some issue with localapps
16:27
annoying
16:28
<Hyperbyte>
Gnoze5, oh?
16:28
I'd say give it a shot and ask the channel. :P
16:28
<Gnoze5>
well essentially we tried running ltsp-localapps xterm on this one terminal
16:28
other apps wont work either
16:28
like firefox
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<Gnoze5>
and the terminal is also feeling shaky, like when typing something it wont correctly input the word
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<Hyperbyte>
*shrug* Any chance the thin client ran out of memory?
16:32
I'd try to get a local tty login on the client, with SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and do some debugging from there
16:34
<Gnoze5>
hm
16:34
there is a chance yes
16:35
but i find it hard that id opesnt have enough memory to start an xterm
16:37
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, getting a local shell and looking at logs and dmesg is gonna learn you something probably.
16:37
<roasted>
installing LTSP LTS right now
16:38
would it be wise of me to PPA LTSP to be up to date?
16:38
or wont I be missing out on much if I stay with 10.04's version of LTSP?
16:38
Using Edubuntu 10.04, if it matters.
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16:39
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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16:42
<roasted>
maybe alkisg would have an opinion
16:42
<Gnoze5>
alkisg o/
16:43
<alkisg>
Hi there
16:43
<roasted>
alkisg, if I'm using 10.04 LTSP, would it be wise to PPA LTSP up to speed? Or would 10.04's repo version from Edubuntu be fine?
16:43
I just want to make sure I'm not "missing out" on something.
16:43
<alkisg>
roasted: I'm not aware of any PPAs that have more recent LTSP versions for 10.04, except for the one I maintain for Greek schools
16:44
It depends on your needs
16:44
You prefer firefox 5 or stability?
16:45
<roasted>
that's my point :P
16:46
I'd rather avoid PPA's unless LTSP has a PPA that has new features/bug fixes that are pretty major
16:46
<alkisg>
The version I have on our ppa just has reboot/shutdown working from the indicator menu, nothing more. Ah, and a udhcp bug fixed.
16:47
More recent ltsp versions have a redesigned ldm
16:47
<roasted>
well I'm not too concerned about LDM. That sounds more cosmetic than anything else.
16:47
<alkisg>
And a few bug fixes, I don't remember any major new functionality
16:48
The new LDM is plugin based so it can cover more use cases, but our needs here are just basic
16:48
<roasted>
I had great experiences with Edubuntu 10.10. I'd like to have that same experience in 10.04 but with the LTS ability to let the damn thing alone for a few years without any major upgrades :P
16:48
I just want to make sure that by going to 10.04 over 10.10, I won't miss out on anything big.
16:48
Like I don't want to introduce an unfixed bug by bringing an older (yet, LTS) version in house
16:48
that's all :)
16:48
<alkisg>
From 10.04 to 10.10 I think LTSP had only minor bug fixes
16:51
<roasted>
good deal
16:51
what about that NTP thing I bugged you about? did that get published?
16:52
<alkisg>
I think that should be included in the natty, or oneiric, version of ltsp
16:52
<roasted>
I think I'll take my chances and wait for 12.04
16:52
<alkisg>
Sounds like a plan
16:52
<roasted>
besides I documented literally everything we talked about then, so that one line you gave me to fix it should be the ticket, assuming its an issue again
16:53
<alkisg>
With lightdm and libpam_sshauth etc you'd better wait a few months after 12.04 is out before deploying it though
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16:54* alkisg advices schools here to update every 2nd September, i.e. 3-4 months after the LTS release (and when the schools open here)
16:57
<roasted>
ah, so use 12.04, just not the day it comes out
16:57
that may be hard for us. I could MAYBE wait till late july or early august....
16:57
come august 15th things must be done for first day of school
16:57
<alkisg>
Right, and also 10.04 can upgrade directly to 12.04, while e.g. 10.10 cannot
16:58
<roasted>
oh, it can? Is that an LTS thing?
16:58
<alkisg>
Late july sounds good for you then
16:58
Yes, it's an lts thing
16:58
Like also the backported kernels etc etgc
16:58
<roasted>
I gotta admit, upgrades on ANY system make me nervous...
17:02
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte, sbalneav: the new bot's name is "ltsp", do you think we should switch it to "ltspbot" again?
17:02
(ltspbot was registered so I couldn't use it)
17:04
<Hyperbyte>
No opinion. :)
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, do localapps store some logging for one to look into if they fail to load?
17:22
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: ask in the channel, there's no need to ask specific persons
17:22
Which distro/version are you using?
17:26
<pedronveloso>
I did, but no one answered, and you have helped me out in the past :P
17:29
<alkisg>
(08:22:52 μμ) alkisg: Which distro/version are you using?
17:30
<pedronveloso>
ubuntu/10.04
17:31
<alkisg>
And if you run: ltsp-localapps xterm, then an xterm won't open?
17:31
<pedronveloso>
yes, it won't. actually nothing happens. now the strangest part, it's just 1 PC, all others work fine
17:32
well, at least for opening a xterm :P
17:32
I've a [DEFAULT] in lts.conf, so no specific configurations to different clients
17:32
yet
17:33
<alkisg>
Do you have a local shell to that client with other means? E.g. ssh or SCREEN_02=shell ?
17:34
<pedronveloso>
no I've not, but I can make one
17:35
SCREEN_02=shell . and with that, what do I do?
17:38
<alkisg>
Run a `ps -ef > $HOME/ps-output` and upload that file to pastebin
17:39
You can also `grep ltsp-localappsd /var/log/syslog` from that local shell
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<pedronveloso>
alkisg, thanks. I'll check it out tomorrow. right now I'm on the go, but I'll write that down and see what I can see from those logs
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<alkisg>
Anyone experienced with sqlite to convert the ltspbot factoids from the old format (key, factoid) to the new format (key, factoid, relation) ? Shouldn't be too hard for one using sql regularly...
18:16
<Gadi>
just add a column?
18:17
<alkisg>
Gadi: "relation" is the kind of table that acts as a bridge between keys and factoids, I don't know the formal name for such helper tables
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<alkisg>
So the key ids need spliting into that new relations table
18:18
Let me pastebin the schemas...
18:19
http://paste.debian.net/122234/
18:20
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I would just convert it all to commands for the new bot and paste them in IRC if it's not too much data
18:21
<alkisg>
The persons that uploaded the factoid, and the timestamp would be lost, but ok not much problem there. It's about 120 factoids, I believe one can do that in 5 minutes
18:21
<Hyperbyte>
If you can make them all /msg ltsp learn #ltsp <key> as <factiod>
18:22
For 120 it might be easier than figuring out the export/import
18:23
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: here they are: http://paste.debian.net/122236/
18:23
With openoffice calc or even with a small shell script they can easily be converted to "learn xx as yy" format
18:24
Want me to do that part?
18:27
Hyperbyte: http://paste.debian.net/122239/
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18:36
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, want me to input it in the bot?
18:37
Will have to make it !forget a few too, else it learns double keys
18:41
<alkisg>
I think the duplicate keys are there on purpose
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i'll just delete my ltspfs-debian-* branches ... they're just mirrors of branches hosted on alioth.debian.org
18:46
<stgraber>
vagrantc: ok, just make sure they don't appear anymore in the list after that (I noticed that "merged" branches still do)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: deleted ... don't appear on my list anymore
18:48
<stgraber>
ok, good. Thanks
18:55
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg: I mean the things that we've already learnt it
18:56
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ah yes those should be < 20 though
18:58
<Hyperbyte>
Sorting it out though. :)
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<allgood>
hi folks
19:10
i want to run x0vncserver on a ldm screen
19:10
<Hyperbyte>
allgood here.
19:11
<allgood>
is there a way to hook a script to run it right after de X server is initialized?
19:11
Hyperbyte: are you a robot or human?
19:13
<Hyperbyte>
I'm gonna have to say... no.
19:14
<allgood>
and right after the password? before it starts the ssh to the remote server?
19:14
i do not need to login, I just need to have the same screen as the user
19:15
<alkisg>
allgood: you can start vnc manually at any time after the users login, if you have root access
19:22
<allgood>
i think i have to set ssh up on the thin clients
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<allgood>
will look to it... but i hope to find a more automatized way
19:23
think root access I can start it even before users log in
19:28
<stgraber>
allgood: you can put it as a ldm Ixx script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/. These are called when ldm is loading
19:36
<allgood>
will the X server accept the connection? as root i tried to run it from command line and X server was not found
19:36
trying it now
19:38
<alkisg>
allgood: you don't need ssh to start vnc on the client display
19:39
You can just xauthority and display and start it, while sitting on the server or on another thin client
19:39
Or you actually want a dozen VNCs always open?
19:39
<allgood>
i want to run vnc on all our thin clients,
19:39
it would be password protected
19:39
<TheMatrix3000>
so wait
19:40
using xauthority i can view another persons session
19:40
<alkisg>
allgood: do you care about accessing LDM, the logon screen, or you only care about the user sessions?
19:40
<TheMatrix3000>
cause I was looking at being able to remote support to some thin clients at our company
19:41
<alkisg>
TheMatrix3000: if you have root access so that you can su to that user account, then yes
19:42
Then you can run a vnc server at any display at any time, saving resources
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<allgood>
i understood the rc.d scheme... just do not know how to set the xauth and run x0vncserver in a way the local X server will not refuse it
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
All done! The ltsp bot is smart again
19:44
!strgraber
19:44
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'strgraber', but I do know about these similar topics: 'stgraber'
19:44
<Hyperbyte>
!stgraber
19:44
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: stgraber: rules.
19:45
<stgraber>
allgood: last I tried, all I* scripts already have all the needed X credentials and stuff
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<stgraber>
allgood: I only played with x11vnc personaly but something like "x11vnc -rfbport 5800 -loop&" in a I* scripts worked fine
19:47
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: nice job :)
19:51
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks! :-)
19:51
!xauthority
19:51
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: Error: "xauthority" is not a valid command.
19:52
<alkisg>
Something doesn't sound right...
19:52
<Hyperbyte>
No, it doesn't
19:52
I hope none else are missing
19:53
I did send it the command
19:53
Oh
19:54
21:40 [msg(ltsp)] learn #ltsp xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
19:54
21:40 [ltsp(ltspbot@middelkoop.cc)] Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
19:54
Heh
19:54
<vagrantc>
!debian
19:54
<ltsp>
vagrantc: debian: is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP.
19:55
<Hyperbyte>
!learn xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
19:55
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
19:55
<Hyperbyte>
!learn xauthority as to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session \| cut -d' ' -f1)/environ \| egrep '^DISPLAY=\|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
19:55
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: Error: "cut" is not a valid command.
19:55
<Hyperbyte>
I give up.
19:56
It's trying to pipe...
19:57
<alkisg>
I can change the bot pipe temporarily for those 2 commands, but maybe I should also replace it with another char permanately
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
19:58
|| or >> ?
19:58
<vagrantc>
::
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
!!
19:58
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
19:59
<vagrantc>
|| and >> are actually used in shell
19:59* Hyperbyte sighs.
19:59
<Hyperbyte>
Today is not my day
19:59
Well, yeah... but not often.
19:59
:: is used in C :>
20:00
<vagrantc>
Hyperbyte: there are tons of places in the ltsp codebase where || and >> are used.
20:00
<Hyperbyte>
20:00
<vagrantc>
-->
20:00
<Hyperbyte>
vagrantc, you said 'shell' though, not ltsp codebase. But I do take your point. :)
20:01
--> is nice!
20:01
<vagrantc>
or just ->
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<alkisg>
Hmm [those] are special too
20:01
They tell the bot to execute a command
20:03
<Hyperbyte>
Does it have to be one char?
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20:04
<Hyperbyte>
Else maybe #?
20:04
Wait, no, that's in URL's.
20:04
<alkisg>
It allows quoting
20:04
<Hyperbyte>
It does?
20:05
<alkisg>
!learn hi as "hi | there"
20:05
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
20:05
<alkisg>
!hi
20:05
<ltsp>
alkisg: hi: hi | there.
20:05
<alkisg>
Now let's find a better set of quotes, because "" are too common... :D
20:05
<Hyperbyte>
Oh c'mon! That's going too far. :
20:05
!learn hi as hi "there"!
20:05
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:05
<Hyperbyte>
!hi
20:05
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: hi: (#1) hi | there, or (#2) hi there !.
20:05
<Hyperbyte>
:O
20:05
It actually leaves out the quotes!
20:06
Man this bot sucks for code
20:06
!learn xauthority as "to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '0' 'n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY"
20:06
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
20:06
<Hyperbyte>
!learn ver as "to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'"
20:06
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!forget xauthority
20:15
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
20:16
<alkisg>
!learn xauthority as `to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: export $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=')`
20:16
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
20:16
<alkisg>
Backticks should be rarely used in ltsp code, $() is preferred
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<highvoltage>
I'm sure that if backticks are ever used stgraber will instantly replace it :)
20:28
(well, I've seen it happen)
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<stgraber>
:)
20:28
<highvoltage>
(and even literally- when I was in a screen session with him)
20:28
<alkisg>
Haha better than ogra_ cutting our hands (at least that's what people told me when I first joined here, I've never seen it happen :P)
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