IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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02:09
<andygraybeal>
vagrantc, :))
03:53* vagrantc waves
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05:14
<alkisg>
vagrantc: debhelper 9 is actually needed? ltsp won't build in 10.04/squeeze without backports anymore... I'm just asking though, I don't need to build it there...
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07:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's not actually needed, but i'd rather migrate towards the present
07:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: but why change the requirements to something more recent, when it's not needeed?
07:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: at least for debian, the backports are available
07:40
alkisg: less code to maintain?
07:40
<alkisg>
Ah, there were actual changes that need debhelper 9?
07:40
I thought it was just a version bump...
07:41
<vagrantc>
yes, dropped all the dpkg-buildflags calls
07:41
debian/rules is much easier to read
07:41
<alkisg>
Ah, OK. So, for e.g. the 5 GB of our own greek packages here, if we don't need any debhelper 9 features, we never need to bump its version, right?
07:42
<vagrantc>
i think you could get away with just downgrading the debian/compat and debhelper dependency ... i think dpkg-buildflags was a no-op on squeeze anyways
07:43
5GB of your own packages?
07:43
<alkisg>
Yeah we have a repository of greek educational software that we packaged in .deb form
07:43
<vagrantc>
so, clearly i didn't get to ltsp upload today ... but it's pretty close
07:44
yeah, you don't typically need to bump debian/compat unless your current packaging needs it
07:44
the newer versions often make it possible to simplify debian/rules ...
07:45* vagrantc isn't generally willing to support anything older than oldstable
07:45
<alkisg>
Our debian/rules mostly is just 2 lines...: %: dh $@
07:45
<vagrantc>
alkisg: those are the best!
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07:46
<alkisg>
That specific repository aims to support as many debian-originated distros as possible... debian, ubuntu, mint... and any versions of them... so we try to keep things as simple and conservative as we can there
07:47
<vagrantc>
that's understandable
07:47
<alkisg>
!vagrant-todo
07:47
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: pxemenus
07:47
<alkisg>
Nah
07:47
So, we don't have anything left for ltsp 5.5.1, right?
07:47
<vagrantc>
forget vagrant-todo
07:47
!forget vagrant-todo
07:47
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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07:48
<vagrantc>
alkisg: not really. I found a few bugs i was planning on fixing 1-2 debian stable releases ago... :)
07:48
<alkisg>
Haha
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07:48
<vagrantc>
and also had two servers with 192.168.67.1 on one network which really confused me with my initial testing today
07:49
the classic "why is it not respecting changes to lts.conf" ... "oh, because it's booting to a different server" ... which also explained why mouse and keyboard was broken- mismatched kernel versions
07:50
took me probably 2 hours to figure that out
07:50
<alkisg>
...they happened to have 67.x, or they were assigned by you because they're ltsp servers?
07:50
<vagrantc>
barring disaster, i'll get to it
07:50* alkisg had hoped 67.x would be a bit rare...
07:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: they were both part of my ltsp test environments, i just forgot they were both on the same (virtual) network
07:51
<alkisg>
Good :)
08:04
<vagrantc>
alkisg: we don't need the update-inetd in ltsp anymore, do we?
08:04
<alkisg>
Right, we don't
08:05* alkisg also wonders why he still has: 9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
08:05
<vagrantc>
it's used to enable nbdswapd, but we use name based swap now...
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08:06
<vagrantc>
ldm-server still uses it for ldminfod
08:07
hrm. but we still have it in postrm, too
08:08
i.e. removing the old package stuff...
08:08
but i think the old packages should handle that...
08:09
<alkisg>
ltsp-server.postinst: update-inetd --group LTSP --add "9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd"
08:09
...I mean, shouldn't we remove that now?
08:09
<vagrantc>
right, that can go for sure
08:09
<alkisg>
And remove the update-inetd dependency...
08:09
<vagrantc>
but the postrm code still should remove 9572 if it's present
08:10
er, 9571
08:10
hrm.
08:10
<alkisg>
So we can't remove update-inetd yet, ok
08:10
Remove 9572 from postinst, add it to postrm
08:11
<vagrantc>
i think we can rely on update-inetd being present from the old install... at least enough to leave out the dependency
08:11
<alkisg>
apt-get purge --auto-remove will remove it though
08:11
<vagrantc>
if we conditionally update the remove parts to not explode if update-inetd isn't present
08:12
i think it calls postrm as part of the upgrade process
08:12* vagrantc forgets what 9571 is/was
08:13
<alkisg>
ldminfod/ltsp-server?
08:13
*ldm-server
08:13
<vagrantc>
hah. it's ldminfod
08:13
i think we've got some messed up scripts ...
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08:14
<vagrantc>
or maybe ldminfod was shipped in ltsp for a time?
08:14
ages ago, yup.
08:15
so, we may have a bit of a mess with update-inetd ...
08:18
<alkisg>
Meh another teacher reports that wait_for_udev still isn't good enough for him...
08:18
A hack that would overload configure_networking() would be the best approach, until initramfs-tools provided a good hook
08:19
<vagrantc>
meh. looks like we need to keep update-inetd around just to remove our old cruft.
08:19
<alkisg>
I can implement that hack, and it would be the most safer approach, but you wouldn't like it because it's a hack... would you agree in committing it though? :)
08:19
<vagrantc>
https://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts
08:19
hrm.
08:19
how ugly is it?
08:19
and what's the issue?
08:20
<alkisg>
The issue is that the devices are not available in init-premount
08:20
So we need to wait until they're ready, possibly while also triggering udev events
08:21
But, what I'd like to do is move udhcp from init-premount to be called the first time configure_networking is called
08:21
I.e. in local-top or in nfs-top etc
08:21
initramfs-tools doesn't provide a good hook to do that
08:21
So I'd need to fool it in a hackish way
08:21
<vagrantc>
right
08:22
<alkisg>
E.g. I'd use the params.conf results script to fool it
08:22* vagrantc -> sleep
08:22
<alkisg>
Which would work fine for all previous versions of initramfs tools, and possibly many future versions too, but it wouldn't be guaranteed...
08:22
Good night vagrantc
08:24
<vagrantc>
i think if we put a preinst upgrade to handle it, it should work out ok...
08:25
then update-inetd will still be available from the old version, it removes them, and then everything is happy again.
08:25
<alkisg>
Or we can just use sed -d :P
08:26
sed '///d'
08:26
<vagrantc>
the current ltsp-server package disables ldminfod on removal ... but ldminfod is currently installed by ldm-server ... messy.
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08:31* vagrantc will need to set up piparts one of these days for package upgrade torturing
08:31
<vagrantc>
piuparts
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08:32
<alkisg>
:)
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13:20
<matthias_arch>
hi, how can i let my user run a sudo programm without a password on my fat clients? i edited the sudoers file with visudo, but there is still a password prompt on the clients machine
13:21
http://pastebin.com/Lwxjjxcd
13:31
everything solved, thanks
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14:18
<datube>
Hi, I'm setting up an Ubuntu 12.04 LTSP Cluster. I'm having troubles enabling NBD swap. Followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP. Added "NBD_SWAP" to cluster-controller, but with no luck.
14:18
added some debugging to (chroot) /usr/share/ltsp/init-ltsp.d but the variables defined on cluster-controller are not available in those scripts during executing (boot). Am I missing something?
14:19
Very much thanks for any help
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15:13
<hydruid>
Good Morning All
15:13
I have a brand new ltsp server setup, getting tftp timeout :(
15:13
verified the tftp service was running and was able to download pxelinux.0 with a tftp client from another server
15:14
any tips?
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<hydruid>
I have a brand new ltsp server setup, getting tftp timeout
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17:02
<hydruid>
Anyone have experience with setting up LTSP with a juniper DHCP server?
17:02
<datube>
Hi all, hopefully someone will/can help me. I've installed a 12.04 cluster. Basic setup. I cannot get NBD_SWAP to work. cluster controller has NBD_SWAP="True". Did some debugging in client (chroot), but on boot controller variables (like NBD_SWAP) are not available in scripts from 'init-ltsp.d'. Any pointers on this? Thanks for any help!
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<hydruid>
join #juniper
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17:49
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: i'm kind of thinking we should drop nbdswapd and nbdrootd from the packaging, if not from upstream
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18:24
<alkisg>
nbdswapd is what the new nbd-swap server calls, as directed from swap.conf, to create the swap file
18:24
<vagrantc>
given tthat i found some crufty junk in the maintainer scripts, i decided to review all that stuff
18:24
alkisg: ok, so we don'tt remove that! :)
18:24
<alkisg>
The old style swap can be removed, but not the new style
18:25
So nbdswapd can be simplified very very much, but not removed
18:25
It can also go in /usr/share/ltsp, if we want
18:25
So that it's no longer a user command
18:26
...although on second thought, its new role is no longer a "d", daemon
18:26
So maybe rename it to /usr/share/ltsp/mkswap...
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18:29
<vagrantc>
greatly simplified would be good
18:29
<alkisg>
/etc/ltsp/nbdswapd can also be renamed by a command line parameter, e.g. `/usr/share/ltsp/mkswap 512`
18:29
<vagrantc>
alkisg: renaming it will require updating existing nbd-server config files...
18:29
<alkisg>
That command is in /etc/nbd-server/conf.d/swap.conf anyway, i.e. it's in a conffile
18:30
Ahm not a conffile, sorry, a config file in etc
18:30
<vagrantc>
either way, it's troublesome to update
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18:30
<alkisg>
We can symlink it for now
18:30
<vagrantc>
ah, good forward-thinking
18:30
<alkisg>
I.e. keep the old-style nbdswapd symlink for compatibility with existing installations
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18:31
<vagrantc>
update ltsp-config to move to the new location
18:31
<alkisg>
Right
18:31
<vagrantc>
might be more work than i was hoping to do today, but might be better to move in the right direction sooner than later, if all this cruft is any indication
18:31
<alkisg>
We can also postpone it for ltsp6
18:32
Where we'll break compatibility in a lot of places
18:32
So sysadmins will need some time to revisit their setup anyways
18:32
<vagrantc>
might be best...
18:32
but we could simplify it for now
18:32
<alkisg>
And stop supporting inetd?
18:33
E.g. suppose someone has a squeeze chroot that doesn't support name-based swap
18:34
<vagrantc>
stick it to em
18:34* alkisg would probably postpone that (the simplification) for ltsp 6 too...
18:34
<vagrantc>
ok, so i've stopped supporting it in the packaging, but they could manually add it
18:34
<alkisg>
datube: nbd swap works out of the box
18:35
vagrantc: if someone has it, do you remove it?
18:35
<vagrantc>
our support in the packaging was kind of half-assed
18:35
<alkisg>
On upgrade?
18:35
<vagrantc>
alkisg: no, i don't do anything
18:35
<alkisg>
OK, I still have that in trusty
18:36* vagrantc hopes stgraber will merge these changes...
18:36
<alkisg>
When are you planning on tagging a new version/
18:36
?
18:36
<vagrantc>
any second now
18:36
whicch probably means the next couple hours
18:36
<alkisg>
Haha
18:36
<vagrantc>
i keep finding more cruft
18:37
like, several postinst/postrm scripts do nothing
18:37
well, maybe technically not nothing, but i'm going to check if dh 9 fills in the blanks for us now, rather than requiring a stub
18:38
alkisg: so, you think we should leave nbdrootd in for squeeze installs as well?
18:38
<alkisg>
dh 7 didn't require postinst/postrm scripts...
18:38
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it didn't require it, but there were some lintian warnings ... or maybe that was from even longer ago
18:39
<alkisg>
I think I would just stop adding nbdrootd to inetd.conf, nothing more....
18:39* vagrantc glares at nbd-proxy
18:39
<alkisg>
kill it kill it :P
18:39
If someone uses it, let him send a patch for xnbd
18:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: we haven't done that since squeeze ... although i was thinking we leave nbdrootd out of the 5.5.x packkages ... you're thinking we should leave it in?
18:40
<alkisg>
(08:39:48 μμ) vagrantc: alkisg: we haven't done that since squeeze ==> put nbdswapd in inetd?
18:40
That's what I have in 14.04 now
18:40
Isn't that what we were talking about last night?
18:41
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
18:42
Meh
18:42
Sorry vagrantc my bad
18:42
You were saying nbdrootd and I was reading nbdswapd
18:42
Let me re-read all of it...
18:43
Wow it even has a man page :P
18:43
<vagrantc>
yup
18:43
<alkisg>
Sure, kill it
18:43
It's just 1 line, if someone wants it, he can copy it
18:43
We haven't used it in years, no need for upgrade paths here...
18:44
<vagrantc>
yay.
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