IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 January 2013   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: in debian/ubuntu there's an "ldm-server" package
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Enslaver: which has an inetd hook to get session information from the server
00:00
also language information and such
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Enslaver: yeah, LDM_SERVER
00:02
berryterminal seemed really limited, and didn't even boot when i tried it
00:03
<Enslaver>
whats the deal with ltsp-cluster? is that project ongoing?
00:04
<vagrantc>
i think so... never really had the time to check it out in detail.
00:04
Enslaver: well, good chatting with you. need to head out again
00:04* vagrantc waves to jammcq
00:05
<Enslaver>
you too, thanks for your help
00:05
<jammcq>
ciao
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06:30
<Guest94484>
Hello everybody! I need help with ubuntu server 12.04 with ltsp thin clients on kde and domain autorization with likewise-open. Anybody can help me?
06:34
On the server local and domain auth it's ok, but on the thin client when I join as domain user after authorization screen blink and I again in the logon screen.
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06:40
<PandaSparky>
in the logs:
06:40
sshd[2489]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user user@domain.loc by (uid=0)
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sshd[2493]: Received disconnect from 10.0.10.11: 11: disconnected by user
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vboxltsp sshd[2489]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user user@domain.loc
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10:08
<markit>
!seen alkisg
10:08
<ltsp>
alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 18 hours, 57 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <alkisg> Right
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16:03
<jammcq>
good morning friends
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<alkisg>
Hi jammcq
16:03
<jammcq>
hey alkis
16:03
i'm spending time today digging through how LTSP-5 works. I figure it's about time I understand it
16:04
first thing i'm wondering...
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the ltsp-update-kernels script copies the kernel and sets up the pxelinux config files in 2 places
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in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp and in /srv/tftp/ltsp
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i'm wondering why it's putting the same stuff in both places?
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16:15
<alkisg>
Meh I was answering to myself :-/
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<jammcq>
heh
16:16
<alkisg>
(06:08:48 μμ) alkisg: jammcq: basically it doesn't know where to put it
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(06:09:03 μμ) alkisg: You might be using dnsmasq, tftpd-hpa etc etc,
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(06:09:12 μμ) alkisg: or you might have a custom dir in your tftp dir,
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<jammcq>
yeah, I figured you were just ignoring my lame question :)
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<alkisg>
(06:09:27 μμ) alkisg: so we have 3 frequent dirs where the tftp files *might* reside,
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(06:09:40 μμ) alkisg: and the code puts the files in whichever of those dirs is available
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(06:09:48 μμ) alkisg: Typically, you'd have only one of those dirs
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(06:10:00 μμ) alkisg: E.g. in ubuntu you shouldn't have /srv/tftp
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(06:10:11 μμ) alkisg: And then ltsp-update-kernels doesn't create that dir, nor does it put files there
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(06:10:41 μμ) alkisg: On the other hand, if you have e.g. 2 tftp servers and you manually run one or the other, you create both dirs and ltsp-update-kernels puts the files in both dirs
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<jammcq>
my debian system has the /srv/tftp and the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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<alkisg>
dpkg -S /srv/tftp; dpkg -S /var/lib/tftpboot
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Or just delete one of them.. or make one a symlink of the other... or ignore them :D
16:18
<jammcq>
root@ltsp:~# dpkg -S /srv/tftp
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dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /srv/tftp
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:)
16:19
back in the days of ltsp-4.2, I knew every bit about how it worked
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now... i'm mostly lost
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<alkisg>
So no package ships /srv/tftp, it's created by some package's postinst
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I think /srv/tftp is the new trend in debian, so you can just delete the other one
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<jammcq>
I'll just leave it, this is just a test server for me to play around
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16:45
<markit>
alkisg: hi, I've a little problem with your ppa
16:45
<alkisg>
Hi markit
16:45
<markit>
add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr
16:45
gpgkeys: key 4F3A3E9FC07F4E831D87AC2D3C72607B03AFA832 not found on keyserver
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(hi, I'm at school at the moment with a teacher behind me ;P)
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alkisg: any idea?
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<alkisg>
markit: apt-key list | grep ts.sch.gr
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Which ubuntu variant/version is that?
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<markit>
apt-key list | grep ts.sch.gr is empty
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is 12.04 32 bit
16:49
there have been added a google repo for chrome (sigh)
16:50
<alkisg>
markit: it looks like some local issue, it works fine here,
16:50
so I suppose it would work e.g. tomorrow,
16:50
...but here's an alternative way to add the key:
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<markit>
can I ignore the signature problem?
16:50
ok
16:51
<alkisg>
wget http://ts.sch.gr/repo/add-ppa.sh -O /tmp/add-ppa.sh && sh /tmp/add-ppa.sh ts.sch.gr
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(if I remember it right - try it)
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<markit>
ok, now apt-get update gives NO error, but apt-key list | grep ts.sch.gr is still empty
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btw recv failed also in other ppa
16:56
fabolous :(
16:56
<alkisg>
Ah sorry wrong grep there
16:57
Yeah it seems like a local problem there
16:57
markit: pub 1024R/03AFA832 2009-05-27
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uid Αποθετήριο Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕ
16:57
Grep for 03AFA832
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If you have that, you have the key
16:59
<markit>
ok, perfect
16:59
I'm converting a thin ltsp without your repo to a fat ltsp with your repo
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<alkisg>
markit: errr remember that upgrading from 12.04 to our ppa is hard
17:00
Quick how to: (1) purge ltsp, tftp, nbd-server,
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(2) delete all settings from /etc/ltsp, /etc/nbd-server etc,
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(3) and then put our repo and install the new ltsp with the new configuration settings etc
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<markit>
yep, thanks , just forgot to purge also nbd-server
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<alkisg>
time to go, bb all
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<markit>
hi Phantomas :) busy re-installing ltsp part in a school server to use greek repos :)
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<markit>
I've entered fat chroot with ltsp-chroot and -c flag, neverless seems is fetching a lot of packages (I'm installing programs that are in the server) from internet and not from apt cache, any idea?
21:37
<vagrantc>
markit: you mean from the server's /var/cache/apt/archives ?
21:37
<markit>
i.e. ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep gimp-help-it
21:37
shows the package gimp-help-it_2.6.1-1_all.deb
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and in chroot I've
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Get: 51 http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main gimp-help-it all 2.6.1-1 [31,0 MB]
21:38
<vagrantc>
is /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives mounted?
21:38
<markit>
I've added repos in chroot (same as in server) and started updating / installing without exiting... coult it be a problem?
21:39
<vagrantc>
should be fine.
21:39
if the file is there, it should check it against the version/checksum that it knows about.
21:39
<markit>
I see with #mount in server: /var/cache/apt/archives on /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives type none (rw,bind)
21:39
<vagrantc>
and arch: all packages should always match.
21:40
ls /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives/ | wc -l ; ls /var/cache/apt/archives | wc -l
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come up with the same numbers?
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<markit>
vagrantc: I've done an aptitude full-upgrade before entering chroot, so should be updated
21:40
yes, 1798
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mmm probably the date of the package in cache is not when was downloaded but the original one from repository?
21:43
I should check it's presence before chroot starts downloading, maybe
21:45
vagrantc: ok, probably cache does not contain all package, sorry for the noise
21:45
btw, I've learned something about the "mount" stuff, thanks
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<vagrantc>
markit: so it might be working?
21:50
if it's mounted, and they contain the same files, i'd be surprised if it wasn't working.
21:50
more likely something ran "apt-get clean" at some point.
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that's why i prefer a caching proxy, such as approx.
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<markit>
vagrantc: yes it's working, just host cache has not all the package of installed programs in the cache, sigh
22:25
and this internet connection is slow like hell :(
22:26
also today I've discovered that squid is blocking ppa keys fetching, and I've disabled it after struggling a lot before find the culprint
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culprit
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<vagrantc>
squid can be troublesome.
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<markit>
yes, and now, in a school of a friend of mine, squid authentication is needed, but I've found can't be setup if you config it as transparent proxy, that is what I do
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<vagrantc>
i don't let squid cache any files, because it usually gets it wrong. use a transparent squid proxy with jesred to redirect it to approx for urls that look likely to be packages.
22:28
approx knows what a debian-style mirror looks like, so it can cache things intelligently.
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<markit>
mmm I've used squid since day 0, I use it at my home, and works fine
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recently I've installed something-ng for apt cache, never heard about approx, will investigate later
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(apt-cache-ng?)
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<vagrantc>
it always has out of sync Release and Packages files, which breaks a lot of things, and always throws out the packages i wanted to cache, even when there's plenty of room left.
22:29
apt-cacher-ng is another one, haven't tried it recently.
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<markit>
I need squid for web navigation
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slow internet connection, so I have to use it at it's best
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even would love to install flash-blocker globally, but the package was in ubuntu time ago and now is no more there
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<markit>
vagrantc: so you suggest approx for packages, and squid NOT in transparent for web navigation, right?
22:32
as transparent it blocks keyserver.ubuntu.com connections :(
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(or at least did, maybe now that I've reinstalled and refreshed the cache will no anymore, yet to test it)
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<vagrantc>
markit: i use squid transparently, but it doesn't cache anything, but redirects some things to approx.
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markit: so approx does all the debian/ubuntu package caching and related files.
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<markit>
reboot time
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