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Channel log from 2 March 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<try2free>
How to limit user login only once?
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<Appiah>
try2free: hmm
03:00
you can limit the SSH
03:00
that should work
03:02
"hard maxlogins" is the option i belive
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<try2free>
Appiah: where to set that i am using ubuntu 8.04
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<Appiah>
in the sshd
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config
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<cyberorg>
Gadi, with local ltspfs installed, it takes a long time for ldm to show up if floppy drive is enabled from bios
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<Gadi_eeepc>
cyberorg: is that with the latest ltspfs from bzr?
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<nerux>
hi
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<cyberorg>
Gadi_eeepc, no, 0.5.8_090128
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a month old :(
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<nerux>
in the old version I can modify dhclient.conf
08:02
How do that with new version ?
08:03
I explain my problem
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<Gadi_eeepc>
cyberorg: if you can try latest and let me know, I have made a few changes
08:04
not sure if they will affect that
08:04
<cyberorg>
Gadi_eeepc, sure, i know a month is a long time the way development is moving :)
08:07
<Gadi_eeepc>
well, vagrantc has reported issues with CDROMs and local ltspfs
08:08
so, it seems there are some isues to work out still
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:)
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<nerux>
I want to separate thin clients of clients
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<nerux>
with the dhcp
08:27
Where can I modify the dhcprequest of thin client ?
08:39
I read in the newer doc you didn't use "dhclient" but "ipconfig"
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<cyberorg>
nerux, not sure if anyone here understood what you are trying to do
08:41
<nerux>
ok
08:41
Scuse my english
08:42
I have some clients with windows xp and some thin clients
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<Gadi_eeepc>
nerux: if you are using ubuntu, you can modify either /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd OR /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions and add "-i LTSP" to the ipconfig command to pass a VCI
08:42
then, go into the chroot and update-initramfs -u
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and ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
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then, you will be able to tell the thin clients from the fat clients
08:43
we are working on getting something upstream into the initramfs-tools to make this more configurable there, atm
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<nerux>
I want to put windows clients in a specific range and to put thin clients in another range
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ok, I look that
08:47
I work with a debian lenny and ltsp-standalone 5.10
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5.1.10 sorry
08:53
I found the script /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions, but I don't know this command I want to pass this dhclient.conf for dhclient :
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option clientltsp code 222 = text;
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send clientltsp "ltsp";
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where I can find help to customize ipconfig command
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<Gadi_eeepc>
nerux: find the ipconfig command
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add the flag: -i LTSP
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<nerux>
ok
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<Gadi_eeepc>
so it reads: ipconfig -i LTSP
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...
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then, in your dhcpd.conf, you can look for a match on the first 4 letters of the VCI to LTSP
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<nerux>
ok I understand
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thanks
08:55
I'm very slow :(
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<Gadi_eeepc>
not at all
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:)
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<jammcq>
good morning #ltsp
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<Appiah>
mornin!
09:17
well..
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<try2free>
halo
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<Appiah>
good afternoon
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:)
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<try2free>
good night
09:18
i am still looking for how to limit user login in ltsp
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<nerux>
Gadi_eeepc: I do the change and I modify /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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but did'nt work it
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<Appiah>
try2free: did you try limiting SSH?
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<try2free>
i want but i don't know how
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<nerux>
after the update-kernels I don't find my change in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
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<try2free>
i want each user only login in one computer
09:24
user can not multiple login, how?
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<nerux>
It works fine, I do a mistake
09:26
Thanks again Gadi
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;)
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<cyberorg>
Gadi_eeepc, when we select the session from preferences in LDM, is it LDM_SESSION or LDM_XSESSION ?
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<cyberorg>
got it, it would be LDM_SESSION
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<Gadi_eeepc>
try2free: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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<stgraber>
Gadi_eeepc: btw, I sent the new LTSP with the new code for volume setting to production this weekend, no complaint so far :)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
stgraber: cool
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any positive comments
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like, hey the sound works!
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stgraber: btw, rdesktop needs a wrapper script these days to properly handle the username (amongst other things) - I can donate mine, but where should we put it? screen.d/wrappers/ ?
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<ogra>
stgraber, well, we seem to have a prob with localdev atm
10:40* ogra wonders which udev version debian sid has atm
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<Gadi_eeepc>
not something I did, I hope
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<ogra>
unlikely
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<ogra>
i suspect its the new udev that causes it
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<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/335767
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<Gadi_eeepc>
are they breaking things again in the name of progress?
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<ogra>
not sure what all changed, but by the looks of it either the udev rules for ltspfs dont fire anymore or the scripts dont get executed
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
don't you break things in the name of progress at the start of a new version?
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<ogra>
the udev version was updated some days ago
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<vagrantc>
the udev rules changed location, didn't they?
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<ogra>
yes, but they end up at the right place
10:51
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23302773/udevadm_test_dev_sdb.txt
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that part is intresting
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udevadm_test: run: 'ltspfs_entry add sdb'
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<vagrantc>
looks like debian still has 0.125-7 for stable/testing/unstable
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<ogra>
looks like udev does the right thing
10:52
wow, thats ancient
10:52
139-1 is currently in ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
but ltspfs is working fine in debian :)
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<ogra>
yeah yeah ...
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not hard to make stuff work with ancient software :P
10:54
<vagrantc>
resisting change in the name of functionality :)
10:54
<Gadi_eeepc>
is this the same issue people had with FAT32 usb sticks?
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<ogra>
so it looks a bit like "ltspfs_entry add sdb" doesnt do what it should, the log clearly shows its firing
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<Gadi_eeepc>
(or was that FAT16 sticks)
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<ogra>
well, he claims his stick was working before
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so i doubt its the stick
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and it doesnt look like its udev either
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which leaves ltspfs
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i dont even have an install around to debug
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<ogra>
would be greatful if someone who has a jaunty install could check that further
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<stgraber>
ogra: I have one at home, I can probably test later today
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I'm running Jaunty's ltsp on Intrepid and it works fine though so if it's broken it's something in Jaunty's udev
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<gfarbal2>
Hi! Anybody can help me setting up local devices support in a LTSP server? I'm using 2.6.24-23 kernel, I've fuse module insmoded, my user is in fuse group, and my thin device recognizes my USB stick but... Gnome icon's... doesn't appear :-( Any idea? Thank you!
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<Gadi_eeepc>
gfarbal2: ls -l /dev/fuse
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<gfarbal2>
Gadi_eeepc: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-02-13 10:08 /dev/fuse (THANK YOU)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
hmm
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looks good to me
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what distro?
11:16* vagrantc wonders where the THANK YOU patch to ls is
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<gfarbal2>
Edubuntu
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<Gadi_eeepc>
which version?
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Hardy?
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<gfarbal2>
8.04
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<mushroomblue>
hi everyone.
11:17* mushroomblue idles
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<Gadi_eeepc>
gfarbal2: if the stick has no partitions, it could be that Hardy did not handle those properly
11:18* Gadi_eeepc doesnt remember
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<Gadi_eeepc>
when you plug the stick in the server, does it come up as /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda?
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<gfarbal2>
I can access in my USB stick from one shell in the thin-client (/dev/sdb1)
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But I don't know how to do this using Gui LTSP session (Gnome).
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<Gadi_eeepc>
it should make an icon and/or a directory in /media/$USER/
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do you have ltspfs installed on the server?
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<gfarbal2>
I've these options in my: lts.conf: [default] SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True NBD_SWAP=True SYSLOG=server
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<Gadi_eeepc>
gfarbal2: dpkg -l ltspfs
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<gfarbal2>
In /media/ directory I've only cdrom and cdrom0 icons :-(
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Yes: ii ltspfs 0.5.0~bzr20080 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin
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<Gadi_eeepc>
are you at liberty to reboot the server?
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<gfarbal2>
mmmm.... Yes.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
if so, I would suggest rebooting server, then rebooting the client
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<gfarbal2>
It's a school server.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
and just make sure nthhing is wonky
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if everything is installed properly, then all should come up as they should
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<gfarbal2>
Ok. I will try. Thank you very much Gadi :-)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
np
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<ogra>
stgraber, hmm, looking at all the logs i start to suspect we dont get LOCALDEV handed through to ltspfs_add
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err
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ltspfs_entry
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<stgraber>
ogra: weird, here I seem to have it ...
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<ogra>
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23299761/udevadm_monitor-e.txt
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ah, no, ltspfs_add seems to source /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
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so it should be available
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but not in the udev env
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i think vagrantc once added that bit
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<vagrantc>
what's the issue?
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<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/335767
12:31
looking at the udev logs it seems that udev isnt the issue here
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and i was wondering if LOCALDEV gets even hande to the ltspfs script
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*handed
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but then i found it sources /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config anyway
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<vagrantc>
yeah
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<ogra>
so that cant be an issue
12:33
udev calls "ltspfs_entry add sdb" it seems
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so that should work as well
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or, wait
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can someone check what the actual parameter on a working system for ltspfs_entry add is ?
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i guess %k isnt what it used to be anymore
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<vagrantc>
what did it "used to be" ?
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it should be able to take a device path or simply the device name ... i.e. /dev/sdb or sdb
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<ogra>
The most common operators are %k and %n. %k evaluates to the kernel name for the device, e.g. "sda3" for a device that would (by default) appear at /dev/sda3. %n evaluates to the kernel number for the device (the partition number for storage devices), e.g. "3" for /dev/sda3.
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from the example file for writing udev rules
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<mushroomblue>
I have a kinda difficult question. setting up a ton of thin clients using LTSP, plugging into one main server. each client is going to have a printer hooked up to it. will cups allow these printers to be added to the network, and printable by anyone on the network?
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i.e. person on thin client #1 could print to thin client #8, somewhere else on the network.
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<Gadi_eeepc>
mushroomblue: each printer would have its own jetdirect printer queue
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you can limit the queue as you like
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<Gadi_eeepc>
everything is queued and spooled on the server
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<mushroomblue>
mmkay, now, does anyone know how to make a ltsp server communicate with windows terminal services, and share printers?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
man rdesktop
12:42
:)
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<mushroomblue>
hmm.
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<ogra>
oh, udev doesnt seem to see the partition
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thats an issue indeed :)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
i thought it reported fat32
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<ogra>
i only see sdb in the logs
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not sdb1
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<Gadi_eeepc>
right - because the drive is formatted
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without partitions
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<ogra>
dmesg is the only thing showing sdb1 and the partition table
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but not udev
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<Gadi_eeepc>
arent the udev logs only showing sdb because you only asked it for sdb
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not sdb1
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udevadm info --query=path --name /dev/sdb
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would you not want to ask it for --name /dev/sdb1
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<ogra>
i asked for udavadm monitor -e first
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http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23299761/udevadm_monitor-e.txt
12:52
hmm, but you are right its formatted top level, whatever the demsg output shows is a different device, gah!
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<Gadi_eeepc>
hehe
12:54
keep in mind, sandisks are funny beasts - they have a hidden partition that looks like a USB CDROM
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thats where they store drivers/utilities for U3 stuff
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not that any of that should deter udev from working properly
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:)
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<ogra>
yeah, that dmesg is also very wonky
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<ogra>
[ 333.824940] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB Flash Memory 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
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thats definately not what he tested with for all the rest
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ID_SERIAL=SanDisk_Cruzer_0000169BA771DAD7-0:0
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sigh
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i wish users wouldnt change the hardware in the middle of a debugging session
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bah
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<Lumiere>
hi jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey Lumiere
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wow, long time, no see
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<ogra>
jammcq, do you ever plan to fix up that broken mailserver ? i'm getting all mail back since months (since i reported it first to you)
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<jammcq>
umm, I don't remember what the problem was
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "mail error" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/270
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<ogra>
no matter what i send to any ltsp.org address and no matter what outgoing server i use, i get back this message
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<jammcq>
wonder if it could be the graylisting thing
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<ogra>
do you run graylisting ?
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<jammcq>
I might
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<ogra>
hmm
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<jammcq>
Mar 2 06:34:15 ltsp gld: Greylist activated for recipient=<vagrantc@ltsp.org> sender=<ogra@ubuntu.com> ip=<91.189.90.139>
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<ogra>
oh
13:09
so vagrantc doesnt want mail from me ?
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:-'(
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<jammcq>
that's my system doing that
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well, LTSP.org's server
13:10
there's prolly a way to fast-track email from you
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<ogra>
well, i know my address is used by many spammers but valid mail shuld come from a canonical server
13:11
i send all ubuntu mail out through the canonical smtp
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<highvoltage>
so vagrant hasn't been getting any mail!?
13:12
lucky him :)
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<Lumiere>
I know...
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<jammcq>
he should get it after 5 minutes or so
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<Lumiere>
I've been working my rear off on SchoolTool
13:13
and my actual jobs
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<jammcq>
ogra: can you try sending an email to vagrant?
13:28
I'll watch the log
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see if the whitelist entry works
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<ogra>
well, i can send one to you, so we dont need to annoy vagrantc with testmails :)
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(yours come back too)
13:29
sent
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<vagrantc>
otavio: you available to sponsor an ldm upload?
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<jammcq>
ogra: can you try again sending me an email?
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<ogra>
sure
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<vagrantc>
wow. logo #54 takes it to a whole new level.
13:54
<ogra>
is that the one with gun and axe ?
13:54* ogra doesnt want to open the page again, it tears down my FF so heavily
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<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah
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<ogra>
heh
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<otavio>
vagrantc: sure; just send it to my mail with subject set to SPONSORING: <pkgname>
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<vagrantc>
otavio: itais already got it :)
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now the long wait in NEW
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<otavio>
vagrantc: good; nice
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: thankfully, your 2.0.38 tarball is working for me... still have no idea what was wrong with the 2.0.36 tarball
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<Gadi_eeepc1>
ogra: ping
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<ogra>
all these Gadis here
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<Gadi_eeepc>
ogra: if you were to disable compiz on a system - which approach would you take (short of uninstallingit)
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<ogra>
/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default and /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current
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not sure that still works, but it used to
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just set both to metacity
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<Gadi_eeepc>
gconf-eeditor?
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*editor
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<ogra>
or dump a file in /usr/share/gconf/defaults
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with a very high numbering
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like /usr/share/gconf/defaults/99_gadis_evli_wm_enforcement
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*evil
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<Gadi_eeepc>
im sure both spellings woud work
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*would
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whats evil is that compiz check the xorglog file on the server
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:)
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<ogra>
i think stgraber was working with mvo on that
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not sure about the outcome
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Gadi_eeepc, can you make sure there is a bug about it so it gets fixed at some point ?
16:23* ogra calls it a day
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<Gadi_eeepc>
sure - Ill have a look
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<Gadi_eeepc>
ogra: still here?
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<erikcw>
What kind of server am I going to need (RAM/CPU) for 10 thin clients (scaling to 30 eventually). The thin clients will just be using firefox...
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<warren>
Ryan52: hey
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Ryan52: so with the stuff I just checked in, you should be able to install Fedora 11 chroots with ltsp-build-client --release=11
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Ryan52: however you need to upgrade rpm on your Fedora 10 system to do so.
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<Ryan52>
k.
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<warren>
Ryan52: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/rpm/4.6.0/1.fc10/
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Ryan52: NFS appears to work, but NBD wont. NBD's format changed in kernel-2.6.29
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Ryan52: you would need to install the new squashfs tools from F-11 to create hte new format
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<Ryan52>
our fault or someone elses?
19:06
ah, ok.
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<warren>
Ryan52: upstream kernel's fault
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Ryan52: the new format is incompatible with older kernels
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<Ryan52>
ok, I understand.
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<warren>
Ryan52: I didn't fully test it, you might want to do a mkdst rpm snapshot build and be sure that ltsp-build-client works.
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<chupacabra>
My Fedora 11 (10.9.1) is very shaky. yesterdays update killed a couple of things and changed my Eterms to blood red. i laughed at that but then started noticing other bad things.
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<warren>
chupacabra: why are you asking here?
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chupacabra: the gnome-terminal bug is known, a few applications are broken due to a compiler bug, they're working on it.
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<x3_SteveFromAcco>
WOOTS
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I got project linknet running =]
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ltsp guide has an error rofl
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