IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

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06:59
<pingufan>
Hi, yesterday I excounterd two occurances of system overload within 1/2 hour. I could find out that they happened when firefox and flashplayer was in use. (Well I don't say that this is the reason, but that it was active.).
07:00
I uninstalled now flashplayer on the server, so youtube etc. don't work any more and I will watch the system stability now.
07:01
Meanwhile I tried to enable Direct_X, this didn't change much - the second crash followed soon.
07:01
Any ideas what can cause this instability?
07:01
<alkisg>
Put the output of `top` on pastebin when you're experiencing the problem
07:02
If the problem is DIRECTX_, you'll see high sshd usage
07:02
If the problem is firefox, you'll see high firefox usage
07:02
If the problem is flash, you'll see high plugin_container usage
07:02
<muppis>
Or nspluginwrapper, if using 32 bit flash in 64 bit system.
07:03
<pingufan>
I have almost no chance when this happens. System load goes rapidely up (20+++, once I saw 170 !) and the system accepts no command any more.
07:03
The host is 64 bit, the clients don't run local apps and are 32 bit.
07:04
<alkisg>
pingufan: did you apply the limits that I proposed 2 days ago?
07:04
<muppis>
That's ok, but using 32 bit flasplayer in 64 bit Firefox has caused problems.
07:04
<alkisg>
This way users have a maximum load, and can't crash your system
07:04
<pingufan>
I didn't recognize your suggestion.
07:05
<alkisg>
I see. The logs are in /topic if you want to check again.
07:08
<pingufan>
don't find it
07:08
What shall I search for?
07:09
<alkisg>
Anyway, here's some reading for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb
07:09
It also has pointers on how to avoid it, if I remember correctly
07:09
Otherwise, man limits.conf
07:10
^ that was my suggestion
07:13
<pingufan>
So you have the idea that on e client possibly causes an attack?
07:14
<alkisg>
It might be accidental, e.g. even due to the problematic flash plugin
07:14
But the way to deal with it is the same
07:15
You want to impose limits on cpu usage, on process count per user, etc etc
07:16
If you get to the point where writing that fork bomb in a shell doesn't crash your system, then you should be able to handle any other problems too
07:16
<pingufan>
man limits.cof reads a little bit unclear.
07:16
<alkisg>
So when you have the problem again, you'll have the time to properly troubleshoot it, see which user/process is to blame, etc
07:16
If you have problems understanding limits.conf, try asking in your distro channel, it's not at all LTSP related
07:17
<pingufan>
Sure. But this is a very good hint. Thank you.
07:17
<alkisg>
You're welcome
07:18
<pingufan>
Btw. A normal user cannit install a flashplayer plugin, no? I uninstalled it now (as root).
07:20
<alkisg>
I think he can install plugins locally but I haven't tried
07:28
<pingufan>
alkisg: Something different (to limits): Yesterday I found a description on how to allow passwordless ssh from server -> client. 1. create an rsa key 2. copy the .pub file into /srv/tftpboot/KIWI as "authorized_keys". Well, meanwhile both, the server and all clients were restarted - but I still cannot do a ssh to anyone of them. I get "Permission denied". Is something missing?
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<alkisg>
pingufan: what's your use case with passwordless ssh? Maybe LDM_GUESTLOGIN would suit you better?
07:30
<pingufan>
I want to be able to shut off or reboot a client from the server side. a passwordless ssh would allow me then: "ssh clientname reboot"
07:30
And then I can do that from a script as I do not have to enter passwords.
07:32
Currently this clients are entirely out of control, such things make me nervous.
07:32
<alkisg>
Installing ssh in the chroot is considered bad practise, as you expose the private keys unencrypted to the network
07:33
So anyone with a bit of knowledge can gain root access to your clients and run programs on them
07:33
And e.g. install keyloggers to get people's passwords etc
07:33
Check the ubuntultsp wiki, it has another method for client shutdown
07:33
<pingufan>
Somewhere there I found it, if I remember right.
07:34
<alkisg>
Search for client shutdown, and an nc script that listens for commands etc
07:39
<pingufan>
I just read now this http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-limiting-user-process.html and I am unsure about the values to set. You don't have an example setup you can show me?
07:40
I tend to insert a line @usershard nproc 30 into it.
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<pingufan>
alkisg: Please, only a little assistance: When I create a new user group "clients" and use @clients in limits.conf - must this group be the only one, or can/must I add users as secondary group?
07:47
<alkisg>
pingufan: sorry, work - also I haven't checked the limits.conf recently, I'd have to read the man page too
07:47
<pingufan>
ok. no problem. I thought you know it.
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<andygraybeal_>
got a question... so what if i bridged a vpn in a remote office ... and pxe booted my boxes from the server in the main office? the bridged network would allow dhcp broadcasts... has anyone done this? is it performance prohibitive?
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<andygraybeal_>
both offices have pretty decent pipes
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<andygraybeal_>
is it even possible? i just had the thought a second ago.
14:10
i should try it
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<andygraybeal_>
i just got my vpn tunnel working after a few days of fumbling with it.. and now i'm thinking that i want to try TAP instead of TUN
14:12
to get the pxe boot to wokr
14:12
with openvpn
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<Matrix3000>
good morning everyone
14:49
how's that new version of ltsp coming? any idea on release date
14:49
<Hyperbyte>
Matrix3000, about 7.
14:50
<Matrix3000>
7 what?
14:50
haha
14:51
if you guys have a deb for me to test, I can fire a vm up to test it
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<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp-upstream
14:52
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: ltsp-upstream: Comitters to the LTSP upstream branch on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
;-)
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<Matrix3000>
that has the lastest commit
14:54
sweet
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<Gadi>
its in a bit of disarray atm
14:59
:)
14:59
you may want to focus energies on testing other stuff
14:59
:)
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<Matrix3000>
oh, so you guys are so good at making code lol
15:00
that you brake it more and more daily huh
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<Hyperbyte>
Matrix3000, making improvements in programming code often requires restructuring certain things. You can't restructure a whole program at once, so many times during development, programs will not work properly.
15:05
<Matrix3000>
i was kidding
15:05
<Hyperbyte>
Matrix3000, this is also why you should really not use daily builds for anything other than testing the code you have developed.
15:05
Matrix3000, I'm not. :)
15:05
<Matrix3000>
:p
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<Gadi>
actually, I excel at breaking it
15:06
:)
15:07
<Hyperbyte>
As long as you equally excel at fixing it... ;-)
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
15:30
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning Jim!
15:30
<jammcq>
hey Hyperbyte
15:30
<Matrix3000>
hmmm...is there a way to set up ltsp monitoring
15:30
like how would i monitor the ltsp service
15:30
is it possible?
15:31
is it basically a TCP port 6007 connection attempt
15:31
if it makes a connection nbd works
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<Gadi>
Matrix3000: ltsp is not a service
15:33
Matrix3000: you can monitor dhcp, tftp, nbd, ssh
15:33
<jammcq>
it's a way of life :)
15:33
<Gadi>
hehe
15:33* Gadi waves to Jim
15:33
<jammcq>
hey gadi
15:36
<Matrix3000>
how would i monitor nbd
15:36
by port or ?
15:39
<Gadi>
yeah
15:39
it runs on one port
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and spawns a process for each mount
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<Matrix3000>
ok sweet, so i could to a telnet to 6007 and get a connection
15:41
basically
15:41
kinda like a port scan
15:41
if 6007 is up, it's working
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<Hyperbyte>
Matrix3000, depends on how you define "working"... and NBD ports are specified in /etc/inetd.conf for LTSP. Probably not 6007.
15:43
<Matrix3000>
yea, i was just saying, i forgot exactly what it was
15:43
have to look up teh firewall stuff for ltsp on the wiki
15:43
<Hyperbyte>
2000/2001 probably. There are tools out there that can monitor system services for you. You don't have to reinvent the wheel.
15:43
<Matrix3000>
i am, im using Zabbix
15:43
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. :)
15:43
<Matrix3000>
just need to make rules that monitor it
15:44
i actually have zabbix monitoring all the thin clients too
15:44
well "fat clients" anyways
15:44
working on figuring out how to do it for "thin clients"
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<laurei>
hello termies. *waves* what is the best way of installing network printers for fat clients? should i create a print server on the ltsp server, or install the printers to the chroot?
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