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Channel log from 17 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<NefariousAryq>
Hey folks, anyone up at this time of night? Have a problem. Running Slack 12 and LTSP 4.2, everything is great except for one hiccup. If a thin client is up and running, and its turned off... then turned back on, the next time it boots up instead of it loading my stuff in the .xsession file, I get just the login screen. I'm using KDM, and auto-logins. The .xsession-errors file in the users home account shows lots of instances o
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Any thoughts?
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<cyrenity>
hi all
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how i define multiple ranges in dhcp
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<vagrantc>
like, you have two network cards ... or ?
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<cyrenity>
range 192.168.1.61 192.168.1.157; range 192.168.1.159 192.168.1.230;
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no i have one network card
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<vagrantc>
haven't tried that.
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main question is ... why? :)
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cyrenity: have you tried specifying it on two separate lines ?
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<cyrenity>
yes
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well unfortunately i have defined on windows machine a staic ip 192.168.1.158
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so i want dhcp not to assign to aonthor machine
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<vagrantc>
and there's no way of changing that ?
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other question is how many DHCP leases you'll need at a given moment
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as 61-157 is nearly 100 leases.
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<cyrenity>
yes
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well my network is growing
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am out of ips this time
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will chgane to A class soon
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is there any prb in doing that
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plz this is a mess
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<vagrantc>
if you're running out of IP addresses, you'll probably have to change networking configuration anyways ... so do that and don't assign a static address in the middle of a block in the future
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not much to be done otherwise
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<cyrenity>
what to do now
00:55
hum
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<vagrantc>
well, in the short term, i'd give your windows box a different static IP and then set it to the full range that you can spare
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<cyrenity>
but see guys here give haphazard static ips for windows which collides with dhcp rangs
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and as wht i think when windows machine are off these ips are assigned to other machines through dhcp
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hay here they define those windoes static ips are defines in dhcp for that host to be static but its also in dhcp range
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is this make again a mess or?
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<vagrantc>
so, control the windows ip addresses through dhcp
01:17
you can give static ips via dhcp
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and if the problem is that people just give their boxes random ip addresses, well, you can't solve that technially anyway- it's a social problem of getting people to behave properly.
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if you try to solve that technically, you'll have to set up some sort of firewalling of unknown machines not registered with DHCP
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<cyrenity>
how am using shorewall here
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well mac binding we can try on
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http://pastebin.com/m227d654f
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see my dhcp its messed up
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see how statis ips are defines
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<vagrantc>
get help from shorewall
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this isn't really an LTSP issue at this point
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<cyrenity>
sure
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i know
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did u see my dhcp file
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<cyrenity>
hey
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vagrant
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i think in my network there are 2 dhcp serevrs
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how i check taht
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any idea?
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<cyrenity>
u there vagrantc?
01:50
hey new prn
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prb i am using ubuntu dapper with l;tsp 4.2
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when i start my thiun client it g stuks in nfs :192.168.1.251 not responding
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any idea?
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<exodos>
I'm using ubuntu with sabayon and I had to change one line in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60sabayon_apply to make remote logging working.
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I've changed '/usr/sbin/sabayon-apply' to '/usr/sbin/sabayon-apply || true' cause /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply returns 1 if current user don't have profile specified
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shouldn't it be corrected in sabayon package?
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<ogra>
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421924
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its an upstream bug
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sadly sabayon isnt very well maintained atm
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(upstream i mean)
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<exodos>
m'kay, thx for link
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<ogra>
its definately locale related
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you are using dutch i suppose
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<exodos>
but i'm not so sure it's the same bug
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<ogra>
i wonder if it works if you put LANG=C into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60sabayon_apply
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<exodos>
as sabayon do not crash, but just exits with return value 1 which cuse whole Xsession script to exit as set -e i set at the beggining
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*beginning :)
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<ogra>
well, obviously the return value is always 1 if /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply is broken
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<schregge>
hello
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<ogra>
but your || true is a good workaround for the start, i might add it if the bug doesnt get fixed upstream before gutsy
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<exodos>
It's not broken. For me its working well: when I assign some sabayon profile to my user and run /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply then the retunr value is 0. When no profile is assigned to my user and i run /usr/sbin/sabayon-apply it prints "No profile for user 'user' found", and the return value is 1. This stops whole Xsession cause set -e.
05:04* ogra has to go afk for a bit ...
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<ogra>
exodos, oh, ok, thats a trivial one ...
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so you mean the set -e should just go
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<exodos>
you mean go away?
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<schregge>
i have a problem with ltsp5 and ubuntu.... when i start the client, it says SCREEN_SCRIPT: gdm not found
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<ogra>
exodos, yes
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schregge, how did you install and which version is that ?
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<schregge>
i also tried rdesktop, same error
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<ogra>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<schregge>
i installed it with apt-get installl (Ubuntu Feisty, LTSP5)
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<ogra>
if you follwed the quick install guide all should work out of the box
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<exodos>
no, I think set -e is ok. You just have to be sure that all non-fatal errors won't stop Xsession
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<ogra>
exodos, right
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<schregge>
hmmm, i will try a reinstall
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<ogra>
schregge, note that you should do it on a desktop install, ltsp needs a desktop to log in to on the server
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so on an ubuntu-server install you need to get the ubuntu-desktop package as well
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<schregge>
yeah, i know... but i want to use a direct rdesktop login to win2k TS
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but when i use screen_01=rdesktop, the same error appears
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<ogra>
schregge, hmm, we recently added a new rdesktop screen script to gutsy ... might work in feisty as well
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http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/annotate/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070801113259-ckf22muibkwvekw6?start_revid=ogra%40ubuntu.com-20070813180935-uuhrndu27oe8t19t&file_id=rdesktop-20070720192731-2p139o5ehjlzm29t-1
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replace /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop with the above and try again
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(therew is documentation at the top of the script)
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<schregge>
ok, thanks
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<ogra>
and: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install rdesktop
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might help as well :)
05:14* ogra really has to go afk now ... bbl
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<schregge>
:-), i know
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anothe question, is it true that LTSP5 in Ubuntu 7.04 is much slower than 4.2?
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<schregge>
i have an ltsp server with an old ubuntu version running, and its much faster than LTSP5... the thinclients are pretty slow (200-300 Mhz)
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<exodos>
schregge: ltsp5 with ldm LDM_DIRECTX patch can be as fast as ltsp4.2
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<exodos>
schregge: check http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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<exodos>
:/
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schregge: check http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg31484.html
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<schregge>
ok
05:23
i will try it
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but the problem is the boottime
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it takes twice as long as 4.2
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<exodos>
to speedup bootup time you can try ltsp5 from gutsy. It is much faster then feisty
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<schregge>
well, i need a pretty stable version
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<schregge>
is there a howto to install the gutsy ltsp on feisty?
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<Jenna>
schregge, : fiesty comes pre-installed with ltsp (edubuntu)
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<exodos>
schregge: I dont think its can be done easily
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<schregge>
damn...same error... SCREEN_SCRIPT: rdesktop not found!
05:35
ok, my fault :-)
05:35
<Jenna>
verbose install it if u must
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<schregge>
the screen-script was not executable
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<Jenna>
bw what is ur thin clients specification ?
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<schregge>
233 Mhz, 4 MB graphic card
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they run fine on ltsp4.2
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but now.... something is wrong.... they are very slow during bootup.... the syslog daemon gets the messages VERY late.... (around a minute)....
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<Jenna>
schregge, did u read the minimum client specifications on their site . i.e with ubuntu
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If memory serves me correct its 700-800 Mhz proc with 128-256 Mb memory on the client
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somebody correct me if Im wrong
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schregge, I havent tried the ltsp 5 thing but 4.2 performs well with pre-historic h/w .
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<schregge>
hmm, i am running LTSP4.2 with the ibm N2800 very well
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they have 128 MB memory and 233 Mhz proc
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but on Ltsp5, they are not working
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(also a quite new thin client, (800 Mhz Eden) is very slow on boot-time)
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i think aomething messed up on the server...
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but its a fresh feisty and ltsp installation
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<Jenna>
hmm. could be . I run clients with 64 mb memory. anything more seem waste of money
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<schregge>
but i have no idea whats the problem is..... 4 minutes ago, the clients finished booting, but i still get syslog messages from the bootprocess of the client
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(and they are coming very slow.... one message in 2 seconds....
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<Jenna>
stupid I know but check with network cables
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<schregge>
they are ok... i tried the same environment with ltsp4.2 and it works fine
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(with ltsp4.2)
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<K_O-Gnom>
my sound ouput is a little silent is there a way to increase volume? (the gnome mixer say he didn't find a device ..
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<exodos>
K_O-Gnom: if you're using pulseaudio try to change it with pavucontrol command
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<schregge>
where can i find the X client logfiles
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<exodos>
schregge: $HOME/.xsession-errors
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<schregge>
that is very strange...
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i just switched the client off, but the server is printing syslog events from the client....
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<Jenna>
schregge, in the debug console. run alsamixer or aumixer
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<K_O-Gnom>
exodos: im using esd cause im 4.2 user ..
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<cliebow>
as jackie Chan says "Howdieee Partner"
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<exodos>
is it possible to provide custom xorg.conf in latest ltsp5 from gutsy?
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<exodos>
ogra: ping
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<K_O-Gnom>
is ther a way to increase the resolution on the terminal? i only have 1024*768 and want 1280*1024
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<akn>
hello all, I just installed Edubuntu 7.04 and was impressed with how well LTSP 5.0 worked out of the box! After testing it a while in the default configuration, I added some apps and did some configuring (pessulus, sabayon, etc). Now the clients' gdm apparently resets immediately after login (monitor signal breaks, login screen returns). Permissions on /tmp are 1777 (from troubleshooting page in wiki). Any ideas? Thanks
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<whiprush_>
I had this problem
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it's sabayon
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<akn>
great. what did you do?
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<whiprush_>
I removed it.
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I am pretty sure it's fixed upstream now.
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<akn>
simple enough
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<whiprush_>
but I'm still on dapper so I left sabayon removed
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<akn>
solved! I owe you a big thanks, whiprush!
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gnome has the lead in a lot of ways, but kde's kiosk and admin tools were a big help.
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<whiprush_>
akn: yeah I had a panic attack when that was happening to me
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<monteslu>
anyone here seen an error on edubuntu like ¨unable to copy userÅ› xauthorization file¨ while trying to run something with gksudo?
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<ByPasS>
gadi : I finally decided to switch from debian to ubuntu, yesterday u suggested to turn of usplash/bootsplash... I didnt had to do it with debian but now with ubuntu I do have one and it seems to fail, how can I turn it off again ?
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<Gadi>
go to: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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and remove the word "splash"
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<ByPasS>
umm i did that and it still have the ubuntu splash
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im so unlucky lol
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oh
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i went in /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxeconfig.cfg/default
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<ByPasS>
gadi : thanks that worked
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gadi : and you know what :)
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<Gadi>
what?
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resolution's good?
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<ByPasS>
gadi : yup without xserver = amd
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gadi : and the display is ok too !
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<Gadi>
well, without it, it will use vesa
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which is slow
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(if ur on feisty)
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<ByPasS>
gadi : no garbage like in ubuntu tho
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yea 7.04
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I may try NSC
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it supposed to be the one for geode dx2
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<Gadi>
yeah, if you want it to use the real server, you need to add universe repo in the chroot
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<ByPasS>
but it was failling totally on debian yesterday
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<Gadi>
and then apt-get it
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and use xserver=
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<ByPasS>
Ill give nsc / amd both a try and I'll let you know
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<Gadi>
ok - gotta run - have a good one
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<ibt>
i'm a little confused about what's going on here.. the thinclient pulls the kernel from the tftp server and boots .. then it sends out a dhcp request (Broadcast) and when the dhcp server replies, it sends back an icmp saying udp port 68 is unavailable
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<ibt>
any ideas?
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<dkennel>
I'm working on integrating LTSP v 5 into RHEL 4 for use by organization (hopefully we'll be able to share the work with RH).
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I'm working with the initramfs and comparing the stock RH to the Ubuntu version.
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I see that Ubuntu has klibc in their initramfs while RH does not. Is this required to get the clients booted?
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<monteslu>
dkennel, why rhel 4 over 5 ?
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doh
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<Mineque>
hello
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one question
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<Mineque>
would webcam work in ltsp4.2?
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on terminal
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<staffencasa>
Could someone tell me what I need to do to get xscreensaver to work if I build my ltsp client with --kiosk? If I don't use the --kiosk, it works fine, but I would like to use the --kiosk plugin
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<fetss>
hi everyone
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<fetss>
hi :-)
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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