IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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<ltspuser_40>
hi
01:06
i have a onld dell 4100 with a very old version of linux
01:06
i could use some help
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<vagrantc>
ltspuser_40: describe your actual problem and someone might be...
01:11
able to respond...
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<ogra_>
heh
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at least he stayed 5 mins
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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02:51
<ltspuser_95>
greetings everybody
02:51
<ball>
hello ltspuser_95
02:52
<ltspuser_95>
I am a complte newbie
02:52
when it comes to linux, and even more with the LTSP
02:52
So I am sorry for the stupid question I am about to ask
02:53
but I really have not been able to find a straight answer anywahere
02:53
so here it goes...
02:53
once you have installed the LTSP server, and have setup your client evriroment onyour server
02:54
how to do I set up the thin clients... Do i just load any linux distro
02:54
in the client
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????
02:54
<jammcq>
no, the clients boot their operating system over the network
02:55
you need to enable the PXE bootrom in the bios
02:55
<ltspuser_95>
ok.... So what do I do...
02:55
<jammcq>
tell me about your client, what is it?
02:55
<ltspuser_95>
I have not one yet... I am doing all this just to build some lunix server skills
02:56
I was thinking to use a netbook
02:56
I have laying around the house
02:56
<jammcq>
well... you need to see if the netbook has PXE in the bios
02:56
<ltspuser_95>
ok... so that's it... just go to the bios look into the boot options
02:57
for PXE set it up as my first boot up option
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and voila?
02:57
<ball>
Violin :-)
02:57
<jammcq>
yes, if you are lucky
02:57
<ltspuser_95>
LOL!
02:57
Cool
02:58* ball thinks about cellos.
02:58
<ltspuser_95>
Thanks a lot!... Sorry for the retard question!! ;) Thanks
02:58
What do you mean If I am lucky?
02:58
<jammcq>
no prob
02:59
well... it's not so much luck.
02:59
which distro did you install on your server?
02:59
<ball>
ltspuser_95: Let us know how you get on.
02:59
<ltspuser_95>
I installed ubuntu server 12.04.2
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<jammcq>
ah, good
03:00
you'll probably be just fine
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<ltspuser_95>
then I went to DOCs here and followed the command intructions
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then i was a like ok... what Now? Here I am
03:01
<ball>
Out of interest, does your server have two network interfaces?
03:01
<ltspuser_95>
No
03:01
it has one 1g NIC
03:01
do i need to buy another one?
03:01
<ball>
Does your network have a DHCP server on it that isn't the Linux host?
03:01
<ltspuser_95>
yes
03:02
the router itself is the DHCP server
03:02
<ball>
jammcq: Is that likely to cause him or her issues?
03:03
<ltspuser_95>
hey there...
03:04
I just booted up my laptop in to the BIOS
03:04
I am under boot options... and it shows the GB Ethernet Controller
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so in theory all I should do is to set that up as my first boot options
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<jammcq>
well yeah, you'll need to configure extra things in the dhcp server and you may not be able to with that router
03:05
<ltspuser_95>
and it should wor
03:05
ok...
03:05
so I need to buy a new NIC
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<ball>
ltspuser_95: You may want to consider adding another network interface to your Linux host.
03:05
<jammcq>
ltspuser_95: in your router, you'll need to configure 'next-server' and 'root-path' and possible a few other things
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<ltspuser_95>
I see... I don't know what are those but I am sure I will find out
03:06
cool thanks for the info
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03:59
<alkisg>
Hi vagrantc, hi all
04:00
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so, i committed two patches to the ltsp-debian-packaging branch that i think should hit wheezy.
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alkisg: including the one you just submitted
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<alkisg>
I just saw the mail notification, cool!
04:00
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but i won't have time to really test till march 5th at the earliest
04:01* alkisg hopes vagrantc won't tell him to test, as he doesn't have a debian ltsp installation handy...
04:01
<vagrantc>
heh
04:01
<alkisg>
I think jammcq has one though
04:02
Hey, it's Spring! Good month to all too....
04:02
<jammcq>
hey
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<vagrantc>
getting it tested sooner than later would definitely be good! :)
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<jammcq>
indeed, I have a wheezy ltsp server
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm still behind the times in last monthh
04:04
jammcq: do you think you could test: http://bugs.debian.org/701916 ?
04:05
jammcq: reproduce the problem with what's currently in wheezy, and then patch the file and test again?
04:05* vagrantc really wants to move forward on this, but is busy this weekend
04:06
<jammcq>
best i can do is try it sometime tomorrow.
04:06
my ltsp server is a bit of a mess. I've got it configured in kiosk mode with no user login
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it just goes directly into Icewm
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<vagrantc>
if i get some "patch works for me" comments, at least, that'll help me when i can get back to it tuesday
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<jammcq>
well... tomorrow afternoon should be good
04:07
<vagrantc>
proably want to try on a more conventional chroot
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<jammcq>
I can build a new one
04:08
I'll start that building now
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: do you have specific apps that tend to stay running?
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<jammcq>
is there an arg to ltsp-build-client for fat clients?
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<vagrantc>
i.e. this bug is pretty much a non-issue with, say, xterm.
04:09* vagrantc always makes fatclients by hand
04:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think the most common local dirs after logout are .pulse and .gconf
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<vagrantc>
but there may be an arg...
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<jammcq>
hmm
04:10
--extra-help says to use '--fat-client-desktop'
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<vagrantc>
yup, --fat-client-desktop gnome
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<jammcq>
but... that doesn't work
04:11
oh
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<vagrantc>
or --fat-client-desktop icewm
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<jammcq>
thats' the ticket
04:11
it's running
04:11
I can test it tomorrow
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<vagrantc>
cool.
04:12
i never thought to test if, by some magic, wheezy just wasn't even affected :)
04:12
<jammcq>
I'll test it out before the patch, see if I can make nasty things happen
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and then patch it
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<vagrantc>
great! :)
04:13
should be able to apply the patch in place, i think.
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<ball>
I need to find some thin client boxes soon.
04:29
Need more disk drives first though and a switch.
04:40
...and some pie.
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<alkisg>
highvoltage: could you unsubscribe me from the mailing list of the edubuntu.org contact form? I really cannot help with any of these questions, and I don't even have access to the web page to review the deployments even if I wanted to....
05:23
<highvoltage>
alkisg: ok, I'll ask stgraber since he admins that. so you don't want write access to the website?
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(only a small amount of it is deployments though)
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<alkisg>
highvoltage: no, thanks, I really don't think I can help with the feedback there
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08:45
<papandreou>
Πω, πω κίνηση!!!!
08:45
Σεμινάριο ή βοήθεια;
08:53
<elias_a>
Μεγάλη για να δείτε περισσότερα από ό, τι ακριβώς την αγγλική γλώσσα κανάλι! Θαυμάζω τη δουλειά σας.
08:54
Was that comprehendible?
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<steveeJ>
hey, i'm using debian 7 64-bit as ltsp-server and also for the client rootfs. i want to use an xfreerdp session with the rdpdr plugin. i can see "usbdisks on thinclient" in the windows session, but there's nothing in it.
13:11
when i manually mount the plugged in usbstick on the thinclient to a folder in /media/root (which i have passed as an argument to the plugin), i can also access it on the windows session
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so the question is: how do i get the thin-client to automacially mount it?
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<markit>
hi ppl :) hi alkisg :) Today I've updated and returned a ltsp server to a primary school... and I've discovered a problem only when I was there (and I've solved). After 15 min the screen locks and (fat client) you can't unlock with the password. Is there a list of settings you usually do in gnome for all these stuff?
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ops, alkisg is not here anymore
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anyone else? :)
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<Hyperbyte>
What is "all these stuff"?
14:12
Settings in Gnome for disabling screen locking, you mean?
14:12
But didn't you just say you already solved this? :)
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: kde has global config features, even if you have to do by hand
14:13
so I configured double click instead of single, num lock, etc.
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but wondered if there are other that would be a good idea set
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Hyperbyte>
markit, ah, you mean if there's global configuration available for Gnome
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<Hyperbyte>
Check out gconf, and, since Gnome 3, dconf
14:45
<markit>
Hyperbyte: yes, so I can "steal" some further good ideas
14:45
Hyperbyte: ok, but for LTSP, what are standard settings that is good do?
14:45
<Hyperbyte>
With gconf/dconf you can set three types of settings really: per-used settings, default settings, mandatory settings
14:45
<markit>
I've created ruby scripts to install and configure with kde, would love to "extend" them for gnome as well
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<Hyperbyte>
With gconf/dconf you don't need scripts. You just set the mandatory configuration in the files/database and you're done.
14:50
For example, over here I have a custom widget for the company, I've configured that as mandatory for -all- users
14:51
Same with other things, like desktop background and things...
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<markit>
Hyperbyte: you misunderstood me
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with kde you don't need scripts either
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but instead of do a setup manually (and do a lot of mistakes), I've automated the settings with a ruby script
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that does the job for me
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so wondering if you can call gconf from command line and give it the settings you want as a parameter
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<Hyperbyte>
You only do this once per server though, you understand that right?
15:18
Anyway, gconftool-2 or dconf commands.
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<markit>
yes, once per server
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<mikec>
Can anyone point me to a good tool or way to manage users .bashrc or .cshrc files/environment and also customize their desktops? I'm running LTSP cluster, and I would like for their home directories to be within our existing AFS file system, not on the specific application server they're on. I feel like someone has to have done this before. Obviously I need a way to modify /etc/passwd or something to get the home directories to be on the network. Sin
17:51
I'm using AFS, its all kerberos/ticket based stuff and pam sessions. Maybe its not doable unless I use ldap? thanks for any advice
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<vagrantc>
mikec: you can't just mount /home as AFS?
17:52
mikec: or you want individuals homedirs mounted on login?
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<mikec>
individuals. for example, in AFS, my home directory is located in /u/m/i/mikec, so the path is different for each user
17:53
<vagrantc>
you might be able to use libpam-mount
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<mikec>
maybe there's a way I can modify /etc/passwd on each application server to read in the /etc/passwd information from an AFS server, that would have the correct paths
17:54
libpam-mount sounds intriguing
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<vagrantc>
but probably the simplest way to not need to edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group and whatnot is usind LDAP or a SQL backend to pam/nss
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<mikec>
currently users log in with their AFS username/password and the pam session module will successfully check against the krb realm, get them a ticket granting ticket, as well as an AFS token. works beautifully, but it puts the user in /home on the server they're running their session off of.
17:56
because it creates a mirrored local user
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for the home directory
17:56
thats the one thing i would like to change
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since i already have everything set up in their AFS user directories appropriately, it would solve a lot of other issues
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<vagrantc>
libpam-mount probably sounds like the ticket, then.
17:58
<mikec>
alright - cool. i will look into that and see
17:58
thanks for the tip
17:59* vagrantc should really explore AFS and kerberos
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